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Title: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: The Gem Cutter on April 18, 2017, 05:26:10 AM
Once, just once, I'd like to get the "even better if" idea BEFORE I write two and half scenes that are inconsistent with it.
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: Rostum on April 18, 2017, 10:10:24 AM
you and every writer ever!
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: m3mnoch on April 18, 2017, 03:00:36 PM
Once, just once, I'd like to get the "even better if" idea BEFORE I write two and half scenes that are inconsistent with it.

man, do i feel you.

i've just been "fixing forward" and pushing through on my wip rather than going back and updating.  if you read the first chapter and then the one that's 50k words later?  you'd swear it was a completely different book.  i have a metric-shit-ton of editing to do.  the pile of "don't forget to go back and change this core fact" notes i have is seriously daunting.
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: Dan D Jones on April 18, 2017, 06:53:53 PM
Once, just once, I'd like to get the "even better if" idea BEFORE I write two and half scenes that are inconsistent with it.

I can't speak for anyone but myself but it's the writing of the two and a half scenes that leads to the better idea.  That writing is the work that I put in to generate the better idea.  I'm almost entirely a pantser.  I have only the vaguest idea of where a story is going when I start to write.  I usually have a main character and a couple of supporting characters reasonably well fleshed out and have some sort of goal the character is trying to achieve and I start writing.  That's how I develop my ideas.  So I'm never going to get the better idea first.  My brain just doesn't work that way. 
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: Lanko on April 18, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Once, just once, I'd like to get the "even better if" idea BEFORE I write two and half scenes that are inconsistent with it.

I can't speak for anyone but myself but it's the writing of the two and a half scenes that leads to the better idea.  That writing is the work that I put in to generate the better idea.  I'm almost entirely a pantser.  I have only the vaguest idea of where a story is going when I start to write.  I usually have a main character and a couple of supporting characters reasonably well fleshed out and have some sort of goal the character is trying to achieve and I start writing.  That's how I develop my ideas.  So I'm never going to get the better idea first.  My brain just doesn't work that way.

That's how I work as well, specially the part in bold.

However, and curiously, I'm starting to plot a lot more. I was almost entirely a pantser too, but now I'm seeing the value of outlining more and more. I think I'm switching from pantser to outliner, or at least giving more focus to it.

Then as I write some unexpected things happen and they either flesh out more what I already wanted to happen or are better than what I planned and I simply adjust my notes.
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: Justan Henner on April 19, 2017, 03:31:38 AM
I actually kind of enjoy this; maneuvering the inconsistencies in particular. It's something of a puzzle, and I find that trying to backfill A, B, and C to support D tends to result in some of my best work. There's something about finagling my way out of a clear contradiction that leads me toward more unorthodox resolutions than I originally intended. Allows me to see all that I've written under a new lens, so to speak.

Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: cupiscent on April 20, 2017, 06:44:44 AM
For serious.

Though I'm pretty sure I can't get the even better idea until I've slogged through the work to earn it, I do try to do the "discard your first solutions" thinking. (The notion goes: the first handful of answers you come up with are the obvious ones. Keep digging, and you'll find the more interesting stuff.)
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: The Gem Cutter on April 20, 2017, 03:09:31 PM
There is sage chess playing advice that goes similarly, Cupiscent, something to the effect of "when you see the good move, keep looking until you see the even better one."
Title: Re: Writer's Complaint of the Day
Post by: abatch on April 21, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
I feel like my best ideas have been organic, spur-of-the-moment things. When I plan, things get kinda wooden.