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Offline Russ

Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2016, 04:45:23 PM »

Clearly an unbiased observer:

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Beyond which, self-publishing and Amazon Publishing have introduced the first real competition the New York Big Five has ever seen. This moribund, hidebound, incestuous industry badly needed a shakeup, and the good news is, it’s getting one! Compared to all that, I doubt any imprint of mine would add very much.

At least his tune is not as obnoxious as it was before he left self-publishing to sign with Thomas and Mercer.  Perhaps a divorce from Konrath is pending... :)


Offline m3mnoch

Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2016, 07:47:16 PM »
didn't he sign with thomas and mercer back in 2011?

Offline Russ

Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2016, 09:42:57 PM »

The Eisler saga is a fascinating one, and I would be happy to tell more details in a bar some time.

However he left ST. Martin's and claimed that he and Joe were going to change the world as self-pubbers and said things like he could not imagine anything taking him back to legacy publishing.  Then he signed with Thomas and Mercer which is...legacy publishing.

The motives for all those things happening, on both Eisler, Amazon's and other's parts are actually interesting and complex, but effectively Eisler is back with a legacy publisher or very close to it.


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Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2016, 09:54:29 PM »
The Eisler saga is a fascinating one, and I would be happy to tell more details in a bar some time.

deal!

you in town for comic-con this week?

Offline Russ

Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2016, 10:37:32 PM »

Unfortunately not, but I will be at the World Fantasy Convention this year.

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Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2016, 10:57:11 AM »
The Eisler saga is a fascinating one, and I would be happy to tell more details in a bar some time.

deal!

you in town for comic-con this week?

Oh sh**t am I missing comicon?? I don't get back from France until tomorrow

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Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2016, 06:21:29 PM »
The Eisler saga is a fascinating one, and I would be happy to tell more details in a bar some time.

deal!

you in town for comic-con this week?

Oh sh**t am I missing comicon?? I don't get back from France until tomorrow

nah.  you've got all weekend, man.  you're good.

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Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2016, 09:29:20 PM »
@Russ could you link to some of the studies you mention?


I've had a look and can't find anything with similar transparency and scale to the Author Earnings reports. For example, anything published by Nielsen completely ignores indie titles, which means that the conclusions it's drawing ignore a huge segment of the market. I'd expect the truth to be somewhere between the two positions, but AE seem to be the only ones backing up their arguments to a reasonable degree.  :-\
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Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2016, 09:56:41 PM »
@Russ could you link to some of the studies you mention?


I've had a look and can't find anything with similar transparency and scale to the Author Earnings reports. For example, anything published by Nielsen completely ignores indie titles, which means that the conclusions it's drawing ignore a huge segment of the market. I'd expect the truth to be somewhere between the two positions, but AE seem to be the only ones backing up their arguments to a reasonable degree.  :-\


I would love to link you to the 50+ plus articles I have read on the subject, but I don't have quite that much free time.   ;D

But I don't think it is fair to leave you entirely handing.

The study that pissed off HH and got him to recruit data guy was this one:

http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2013/self-publishing-debate-part3/

The follow up study which they also didn't like is:

http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2014/lessons-and-expectations-as-the-digital-book-world-and-writers-digest-author-survey-evolves/

And yes the results were analyzed explained by a author with an appropriate Phd from Harvard.  The 2015 study also had some really interesting data.

You can also get data from a number of the other sources I mentioned.  Forbes, Author's Guild, Codex, Neilson, Pub Perspectives and so on.  There are also proprietary studies that you can get your hands on by either buying them or joining the appropriate professional association.

I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of Author Earnings debate, but they really are not that transparent and they have plenty of flaws in the methodology and how they talk about the meaning of their data. They have an agenda and it has driven them, though as noted above DG is starting to soften  One simply cannot say that indie publishing is the best way to make money as an author based on the quality information that is out there.


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Re: May 2016 Author Earnings Report
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2016, 05:38:58 AM »
 Figures don't lie, they say, but liars can figure  8)
I don't accuse anyone of misleading anyone, but it's economics, and so very, very overdetermined. Unlike some fields that are impacted by social media and technology indirectly (like accounting, for example), our industry is impacted directly along multiple fronts, and it's volatile with change. And the rate of that change is accelerating, and the rate of that acceleration is itself accelerating.

This is disconcerting but there's the solace of knowing that even painstaking analysis is ... very limited in value. Next year, when the X-Phone-Tablet Mark V comes out, the whole world's going to do things differently, and you can use that 24lb analytical report as a splendid paperweight ;)
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