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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2016, 05:05:07 AM »
Well, glyphs might not be as cool as martial arts, but there's a whole lot of directions you could take that. I'm interested anyway.

I once saw an aspiring writer use the name A'theria for their world, which is exactly like my A'thería minus the accent mark on the "i". I was a little distraught, but then I realized that A'thería isn't the only place name in my book. There's A'kahlía, Morkhen, Mekh'Den and Mekh'Tahleth, which all mean something in the language I've created. Since A'thería means so much more than "a cool name I gave my world", it makes it more my own and I don't feel so bad. Also helps that this particular person wasn't published.

The fish people in my world are pretty much Zoras with a different name. That's initially where I was going with them, but I took that and gave them a different language and an interesting plight in my first book that puts a different twist on them. And when you start to give them a history, that's where they start to diverge into something else.
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2016, 11:32:08 AM »
Like many of you, I think, I've got a world I've been thinking about since age 13. (For those who know me on this Forum, you might recognize it now as the setting for my Scrivening concept.) And like so many, I just made up place names that sounded cool. (The original name of the world? Thanlinothoshtad. Yeah.) But some of those place names were particularly jeer-worthy. Such as:

> Lufwal (lawful, anyone?)
> Citoahc (need I spell it out?)
> Lartuen (because, all three, right?)

Now, Lartuen actually sticks with me. I've always kind of liked it.
But back in the day, I wanted a different name.
So I came up with: "Riva."

And then David Eddings broke into my teenage bedroom, rifled my papers, and stole Riva as the name of Garion's eventual capital city in the Belgariad.

Bastard.

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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 03:09:34 AM »
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And then David Eddings broke into my teenage bedroom, rifled my papers, and stole Riva as the name of Garion's eventual capital city in the Belgariad.

How dare him!
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2016, 10:26:44 PM »
Dammit, people, this again!

(From a feature on Fast 8, the next car driving superhero movie)

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/5/13846444/fast-8-featurette-trailer-debut

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but Theron is a new addition to the cast. Universal previously confirmed that she would be playing Cipher, a new adversary that Dominic Toretto (Diesel) and his crew would have to take on.

This Cipher is in a huge tentpole summer blockbuster played by no less that Furiosa herself.

I've had a badass female bounty hunter named Cipher in my Supremacy universe for at least ten years as a side character. I am currently, as of this moment, writing an entire book about her.

Well, I guess her name is gonna change. >.>

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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2016, 11:29:01 PM »
Are you really going to change it, @tebakutis ? That seems a bit... drastic for me.

That's a Fast and Furious movie and a Sci-Fi (Thriller?) book. It's not like this Cipher is some kind of iconic character, like if you were naming a character Legolas or Tyrion.

And even before F&F and the ten years on the making of your book, there was a Cipher in The Matrix in 1999 anyway. Totally different character as well. And who knows how many before that.

With so much work on it I would definitely not change it!
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2016, 12:30:38 AM »
If you feel you must change, I won't challenge that decision or idea. But as a linguist, and particularly because of the nature of her name, you have an opportunity to be quite clever. I like playing language games in my WIP, although I am clever and subtle about it, and few mean anything even to a speaker of the language I borrowed from.

I don't know the character or her background, but there's lots of opportunities to give her a reason to
1. Change her name (with Cipher being her Real Name)
2. Reveal that Cipher was exactly what it seems, an unrevealed mystery, and it's time for her to change her alias again, or revert to her True Name

Since you're changing her name, and her name literally means secret, here's my unsolicited, gender-appropriate name nominations with linguistic reasons:

Taina - ("Secret", Russian) correctly pronounced "Tine" - "ah". Adjective-forms: Taini (pronounced like "Tiny"), Tainya (close to Tanya, but pronounced "Tine-ya")

Silenda - "Secret" in Latin

Hope this is helpful.
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 12:32:49 AM »
Just stole Silenda.

Can't use that anymore  ::)
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2016, 01:52:24 AM »
Just stole Silenda.

Can't use that anymore  ::)

YOU SON OF A *****.

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Just kidding. :)

I knew about the Cipher from the Matrix, actually, but he was both a tertiary character and a dude, so it didn't really register on my "this feels like people would notice it" sense. I think because of Charlize Theron's high profile (and she may possibly be in multiple F and F movies?) the name might be a bit more on people's radar, especially if I were to release the second book in, say 2018. It's more annoying than anything.

But now that Gem mentioned it, I *do* love the idea of using a non-English word with a similar meaning. The Cipher in my book is Latina, so I might actually think about using a Spanish word with some interesting connotations. Also, Cipher is simply her "bounty hunter" name (she keeps her actual identity secret, for obvious reasons, and does all her hunting in a suit of powered armor ala Ironman) and her actual real name won't change, just her moniker.

So I may just change it because I find I actually like a new word better. :0


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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2016, 02:13:25 AM »
Random comment, since we were playing with foreign words for names: I like foreign words that are, for lack of a better term "emotional onomatopoeias", onomatopoeias for things with no sound. In Russian, Strach/Strax (rhymes with the German name "Bach") is such a one. To me it sounds like what it is: terror.
'Habibi' is "my love" in Arabic (and reminds me of the cry that Star Wars Jawas make: HABIBI!!) and my favorite, "Mallchik", "little boy" in Russian. It's a cute word and to hear a Russian woman use it while she tossles a little kid's hair makes me smile. German has a rough reputation for sounding rough, but Krankenhaus sounds like what it is, if you think of all the sick people in a hospital.
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2016, 05:30:31 AM »
FYI: I came up with a much, much better name.

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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2016, 09:06:01 PM »
Sometime ago I had this idea of an explorer traveling to a jungle country with dinosaurs, discovering a lost civilization, and falling in love with a native warrior/huntress. Together they would have to defend the lost civilization from invaders. It was very appealing to me on a gut level, but it didn't take long for me to pick up parallels with James Cameron's Avatar (which itself got criticized for cliches). It was a very disheartening experience.
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2016, 03:55:24 AM »
Sometime ago I had this idea of an explorer traveling to a jungle country with dinosaurs, discovering a lost civilization, and falling in love with a native warrior/huntress. Together they would have to defend the lost civilization from invaders. It was very appealing to me on a gut level, but it didn't take long for me to pick up parallels with James Cameron's Avatar (which itself got criticized for cliches). It was a very disheartening experience.

My sympathies! To be fair, Cameron also got slammed for ripping off Ferngully (no, seriously, Avatar has like the exact same plot) so it's not like his plot was original, either. :p

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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2016, 08:29:21 AM »
Sometime ago I had this idea of an explorer traveling to a jungle country with dinosaurs, discovering a lost civilization, and falling in love with a native warrior/huntress. Together they would have to defend the lost civilization from invaders. It was very appealing to me on a gut level, but it didn't take long for me to pick up parallels with James Cameron's Avatar (which itself got criticized for cliches). It was a very disheartening experience.

My sympathies! To be fair, Cameron also got slammed for ripping off Ferngully (no, seriously, Avatar has like the exact same plot) so it's not like his plot was original, either. :p
Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas, the list goes on. IMHO, because you've got dinosaurs, the more likely comparison is with Jurassic Park, which is totally different plot-wise. So you should consider proceeding imho. You can also reverse the trope by having the natives learn from the visitor, if there is any of that in your story.
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2016, 12:43:44 PM »
Sometime ago I had this idea of an explorer traveling to a jungle country with dinosaurs, discovering a lost civilization, and falling in love with a native warrior/huntress. Together they would have to defend the lost civilization from invaders. It was very appealing to me on a gut level, but it didn't take long for me to pick up parallels with James Cameron's Avatar (which itself got criticized for cliches). It was a very disheartening experience.

My sympathies! To be fair, Cameron also got slammed for ripping off Ferngully (no, seriously, Avatar has like the exact same plot) so it's not like his plot was original, either. :p
Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas, the list goes on. IMHO, because you've got dinosaurs, the more likely comparison is with Jurassic Park, which is totally different plot-wise. So you should consider proceeding imho. You can also reverse the trope by having the natives learn from the visitor, if there is any of that in your story.
I appreciate the encouragement. I will say the natives I had envisioned weren't the stereotypical "noble savages living in harmony with nature", but rather a relatively large and complex civilization. Think something along the lines of ancient Egypt, Ethiopia, or Great Zimbabwe. So maybe that's one factor that will twist things a bit.
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Re: The Originality Thread! (For Authors and Tears)
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2016, 02:51:51 PM »
Sometime ago I had this idea of an explorer traveling to a jungle country with dinosaurs, discovering a lost civilization, and falling in love with a native warrior/huntress. Together they would have to defend the lost civilization from invaders. It was very appealing to me on a gut level, but it didn't take long for me to pick up parallels with James Cameron's Avatar (which itself got criticized for cliches). It was a very disheartening experience.

My sympathies! To be fair, Cameron also got slammed for ripping off Ferngully (no, seriously, Avatar has like the exact same plot) so it's not like his plot was original, either. :p
Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas, the list goes on. IMHO, because you've got dinosaurs, the more likely comparison is with Jurassic Park, which is totally different plot-wise. So you should consider proceeding imho. You can also reverse the trope by having the natives learn from the visitor, if there is any of that in your story.

this will always be my favorite image on that subject.