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Offline m3mnoch

Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2017, 05:24:40 PM »
my intellectual issue is with her throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  my emotional issue with the piece is that i've rarely seen anyone so desperate for validation.

sure, there's a LOT of dreck out there.  just like there's a lot of terrible games in the app store.  just like there's a lot of terrible videos on youtube.  just like there's a lot of terrible music on cd.  just like there's a lot of terrible paintings hanging on walls.  anything where the barrier to entry is so low, is going to have a ton of crap. A TON.

but there's a lot of brilliance out there, too.

any cogent commentary on self-publishing HAS to take that into consideration.  simply dismissing it out of hand is intellectual laziness that misses all the nuance, the interesting, the crunchy diversity.

it's a binary thing with her.  she's caught up in the flagrantly egotistical premise that "published" is a special word belonging only to people whom she feels like have earned it.

uh.  no.  the word you're grasping for here is "readership".  that's where success and being an author collide.  with people who want to read your words.  people who find your thoughts interesting.  not just because you're published.

this woman, tho, is walking click-bait, begging for eyeballs and attention.

i mean, just look at her stupid-beyond-belief analogy:
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Everyone knows I’m a tuneless clod but something about that CD validates me as a musician.

/facepalm

she doesn't write because she loves to write.  or to tell stories.  or as a form of catharsis.  she writes for validation.  her entire post drips with with her desperate need for validation.  no, no, guys!  guys!  she's a REAL writer!  because being published makes me one!

[cue her breaking down in the corner, stinking of desperation, weeping at the comparison of her sales numbers to self-pubbed writers, blubbering out "but, i am the one who's really published.  not them."  *sob*  "not them . . ."]

hey lady -- just because something's been published through the typical gatekeepers doesn't mean it's good.  take a look at your own work for examples.  i see no difference between your work and a random sampling of self-published authors.

"published" is NOT a magical synonym for quality.

. . . nor a synonym for readers.

. . . nor a synonym for success.

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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2017, 05:38:49 PM »
In some cases it may be a synonym for lucky.

(May we all be so lucky!)  ;D
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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2017, 05:50:34 PM »
In some cases it may be a synonym for lucky.

(May we all be so lucky!)  ;D

amen!

success is often a synonym for lucky.  this is where i insert my "so do everything you can to increase your luck surface" speech.

Offline Lu Kudzoza

Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2017, 06:14:52 PM »
my intellectual issue is with her throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  my emotional issue with the piece is that i've rarely seen anyone so desperate for validation.

I had the exact same response to the article. She's looking for validation and it must be from the right people. Unfortunately, she doesn't think readers are the right people.


sure, there's a LOT of dreck out there.  just like there's a lot of terrible games in the app store.  just like there's a lot of terrible videos on youtube.  just like there's a lot of terrible music on cd.  just like there's a lot of terrible paintings hanging on walls.  anything where the barrier to entry is so low, is going to have a ton of crap. A TON.

but there's a lot of brilliance out there, too.

Exactly. There is a lot of crap out there. Even in traditionally published books. I read an article recently which had the premise that 90% of all art produced was crap. I'm sure it's the same with books. That's why people look to friends, forums (like this one), review sites, etc. as "gatekeepers" to find the gems among the dross. Her mistake is the naive belief that traditional publishers are the only valid gatekeepers.

Offline Lu Kudzoza

Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2017, 09:23:56 PM »
Here's a pretty funny take down of the article by Larry Corriea.

My favorite quote from the article:
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Only idiots and zealots get caught up on the method of delivery rather than the product being delivered.

http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/12/30/fisking-the-huffpos-snooty-rant-about-self-publishing/
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Offline m3mnoch

Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 02:13:54 PM »
oh, man.  i LOVE his response.  i could get behind this fisking business!

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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 04:21:44 PM »
I haven't read it yet - independent of the article, which I have not yet read - I wish internet etiquette was to simply ignore pieces of clickbait like this. Widespread castigation and correction may feel good, but it still serves the author's purpose, which is to gain attention. Depriving them of attention would be more effective than making them feel bad for doing so. And while clickbait like this is mostly just irritating when it comes to fields of entertainment like ours, it is destroying effective public discourse in more important fields.

Although I am enjoying the mild irony of someone attacking self-publishing on the Huffington rather than going to a traditional paper...


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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2017, 04:53:28 PM »
I haven't read it yet - independent of the article, which I have not yet read - I wish internet etiquette was to simply ignore pieces of clickbait like this. Widespread castigation and correction may feel good, but it still serves the author's purpose, which is to gain attention. Depriving them of attention would be more effective than making them feel bad for doing so. And while clickbait like this is mostly just irritating when it comes to fields of entertainment like ours, it is destroying effective public discourse in more important fields.

Although I am enjoying the mild irony of someone attacking self-publishing on the Huffington rather than going to a traditional paper...

Well, you're assuming that a large amount of click bait isn't ignored daily, their authors left to mope in the emptiness of their darkened hearts...
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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2017, 09:17:04 PM »
Although I am enjoying the mild irony of someone attacking self-publishing on the Huffington rather than going to a traditional paper...

I wonder if she realizes that HuffPo is a self-publishing journalist news site... and that real journalists everywhere are probably outraged that she's replacing them.

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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2017, 09:26:36 PM »
Thanks Peat. This troll-feeding phenomenon is powerful - it just propelled the biggest bombast in the world to the US Presidency.
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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2017, 11:48:56 PM »
Although I am enjoying the mild irony of someone attacking self-publishing on the Huffington rather than going to a traditional paper...

I wonder if she realizes that HuffPo is a self-publishing journalist news site... and that real journalists everywhere are probably outraged that she's replacing them.

Nah, she's Canadian  ::)
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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2017, 08:18:59 PM »
The article reads like it was written for the Guardian initially, who do have some love for Laurie and have both written about her and published her articles in the past. She fits well with their world view. Opinionated and uninteresting.

The Mirrors Truth Michael R Fletcher 15/12/2016 average Goodreads rating 4.49  57 ratings 19 reviews Self Published.

Island of the human Heart A Women's Travel Odyssey Laurie Gough 16/1/1998 average Goodreads rating 3.46 13 ratings no reviews. Published by Turnstone Press.

Oh dear!

Turnstone Press from their website

"Founded in a Winnipeg pub in 1976 to publish chapbooks by Manitoba poets, Turnstone Press has become one of the most highly regarded book publishers in western Canada, publishing not only poetry but also fiction, literary criticism and non-fiction. In 1998 Turnstone Press launched Ravenstone Books, an imprint dedicated to mysteries, thrillers, and noir fiction. Turnstone Press is committed to our literary and cultural role in Manitoba and Canada and our mandate reflects this. We publish only Canadian authors or landed immigrants, we strive to publish a significant number of new writers, to publish in a variety of genres, and to publish 50 per cent Manitoba writers and/or books with Manitoba content. At Turnstone Press we pride ourselves on taking chances with new writers and we've had our share of successes doing so. Turnstone Press has launched the careers of many Canadian writers, including, Di Brandt, John Gould, Lawerence Hill, Sylvia Legris, Margaret Sweatman, Armin Wiebe. Our books and authors have won or been nominated for Governor General's Literary Awards, the Commonwealth Writer's Prize, The Giller Prize, the Leacock Prize, IMPAC Dublin Literary Award, The Lambda Awards, The Rogers Trust Prize, The Relit Awards, and numerous regional awards. Despite the risk inherent in publishing new Canadian literary writing, Turnstone Press remains committed to pursuing and promoting new, thought-provoking authors and books. Canadian writing has never been more exciting, and Turnstone Press is proud to have been a part of its history and keenly looks forward to the future."

So a Canadian publisher who publishes 50% from local Authors and the rest from National authors and receives grants and subsides from the arts council to do so.

I guess Laurie Gough is not someone whose opinion I would take on board.


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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2017, 12:58:23 AM »
Laurie Gough did write a seemingly genuine and regretful apology. As that is lost in comments and FB it will not be noticed by many who were offended by that horrible article in Huff Post. It may suggest she asked for wider comment on her point of view, but still doesn't excuse the vitriol.

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To everyone I offended with my Huffington Post article on self-publishing, I am so sorry! As I explained in the comments section below the article (which I've been told is now buried therefore difficult to find) Huffington Post changed my original title (from "My Thoughts on Self-Publishing: What's Your Opinion") and also took out a very important paragraph at the end where I said I could be totally wrong and out of touch (which clearly I am) and that I'd love to be proven wrong. I asked people to send me their titles of self-pub books (and I've already ordered several of these on amazon. Thanks everyone for sending me the links! Looking forward to reading them!) I am doing my best to make amends for my thoughtless article. I really am sorry! I'm not just apologizing because of all the scary hate mail I've been receiving and personal attacks, but because I've read the less-hateful emails and responses and realize how little I knew about self-publishing. I've only read a handful of self-published books so was basing my article on that. I guess I was in a bad mood when I wrote it and I SO wish I'd never written it. It seems like no matter what I say, I am still receiving hate mail. I don't want to hate anyone or be hated by anyone. I encourage all of us to keep writing and to support each other. I asked HP to please removed my article but of course they haven't (yet, fingers crossed.) People are so angry at me that they've even one-starred all my books on goodreads without having read the books (which is obvious because this all happened the day after the article came out.) There's nothing I can do about this kind of thing or all the hate mail (including a death threat and someone saying he wanted to do horrible things to my family.) All I can do is say again how sorry I am and that it was very bad judgment to write such a thing. (I honestly never thought it would get published. I've only ever written for the Canadian HP and only under their "Parents" blog so was shocked when what I sent in to HP Canada under Parents ended up weeks later on HP USA. They didn't warn me or let me know how they'd changed it. Anyway, none of that matters now. I just want to say I'm sorry and my eyes have been opened to the world of self-publishing. Peace everyone!

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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2017, 09:20:08 AM »
It's good she realises. Her excuse is a tiny bit flimsy, in so far that publishing an article, on the Canada OR the American website makes no difference in the research she ought to have done before writing an opinion piece. She doesn't even have to read self pub. Only seeing the numbers would already be enough for her to realise her opinion isn't based on reality. It would have forced her to mature her PoV and do more research, all good things with a journalist.
She is no journalist, that's for sure.

I don't get why people would send her hate mail though. Damn how childish and easily triggered can people get.
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Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2017, 03:31:01 PM »
I don't get why people would send her hate mail though. Damn how childish and easily triggered can people get.

because most (certainly not all) self-published work is crap from authors who are bitter about being rejected from traditional publishing houses.

because dogpiling on someone who has such an obviously wrong opinion is a low-hanging-fruit chance to exercise any shred of power lacking in the rest of their lives.

because the internet LOVES justice porn.