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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 12:21:14 PM »
@ScarletBea: there’s two parts of truth in what you say. I have been in a more stressed and negative space the last while than I want to be. Regarding writing, poetry is, for me, a very different mode than fiction. I can approach my story writing with confidence and joy, when I’m not frustrated about the lack of time I have/make for it. Poetry brings out this self-absorbed, morose me that I dislike.

Which, @The Gem Cutter, moves toward the mood and notions underlying my poem. I remember in college acting class how we had to break into small groups and develop dramatic scenes to improvisation for the class. Invariably one group (at least once, mine) would do a dramatic scene about students unable to develop a dramatic scene.

When I write, it often rises from a single phrase or sentence, and I follow it to see where it leads. In this case, my poem led me to write about having nothing of any real consequence to day except for self-referential and self-pitying clap-trap.

Ironically, I like the poem.

Meanwhile, TGC, you have the right parsing of the second stanza. There is for me, also, a weight to the idea of drawing water/energy/meaning/creativity from a well. To draw up only words is to have only words and not the richness of them. Not their mission or their impact.

As far as the negative space on white, the image in my mind was of the paper being real (or the iPad screen) while the letters/words are subtractions. Not raised on the paper, but subtracted from it. I like the image though because it allows the reader her own space for understanding. Your connection to photographic negatives is lovely and unintentional on the part of the poet.

The word “deep” is not ringing true. The idea of scraping a brush against dried out paint is closer to what I was reaching for.

OMG, this is getting long.

But I want to say how much I admire Scott’s approach to poetry. I’m going to play with other paths as well as what comes most easily.

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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 12:50:10 PM »
Another poem:

The unexamined life is mostly what I've got
So fuck you Socrates
Tell it to a sperm whale
Tell it to my feet walking
To Schroedinger’s Cat
To the dust of a distant disaster
that lights this sunrise

Spoiler for Hiden:
I need a different word than “lights”. The illogic of it interferes with the image. Hmm. But then, maybe that’s part of the point....
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 03:55:38 PM »
Thank you for your kind words, it is truly wonderful for you to say.

Thank you for walking me through things, and for my part, there's no explanation too long, esp. when the topic is so complex.

I rather agree with you that "light" is both problematic and yet, ironically, appropriate and triply meaningful.  it brings actual light and or meaning; it has the connotation of setting on fire; combined with disaster it implies nuclear/fiery events. I could go on - but I think that's good load-bearing for a 5 letter, single syllable word :)
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 04:02:21 AM »
Invariably one group (at least once, mine) would do a dramatic scene about students unable to develop a dramatic scene.

Haha that's totally how I interpreted it @Jmack . I thought it was a really clever poem about writer's block-- and since such excellent writing couldn't possibly be the product of writer's block that made it extra clever. :) And that introspective/dissatisfied second stanza was a nice way to close!

I need a different word than “lights”. The illogic of it interferes with the image. Hmm. But then, maybe that’s part of the point....

I'd say "capturing the rays of this sunrise" "glistening in the rays of" or "lighting the rays of" since dust does that really well.  I know because I've been modding skyrim and its all about the dust mods to create volumetric god-rays.  Actually "sparking" gives a nice alliteration.

Another poem:

The unexamined life is mostly what I've got
So fuck you Socrates
Tell it to a sperm whale
Tell it to my feet walking
To Schroedinger’s Cat
To the dust of a distant disaster
sparkling in the rays of this my sunrise

Anyway speaking of telling Socrates off, I have sort of a poem to respond to your poem with-- I wrote it in back graduate school tho.

Lies we tell

Word your argument, scholar.
Take the truth and cut it
dismember it
piece by piece
disfigured
distilled
it's eyes and fingers
liquefied in your cauldron
the stench of its melting flesh on your nose
–a good scholar does not balk–
to fit into your academic mold
a monstrosity we've sewn together
an arm, a leg
a patch of hair
pieces of the truth
a grotesque concubine of the philosophers of old
old white men inhabiting bodies that aren't theirs
so that their lies may live forever.
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 04:11:38 AM »
Doublepost!

Why didn’t you think of this sooner ? Go you, Bradley ???? top idea.
Why not ask a mod to make it into its own part of FF Writers Section, like Writers’Corner ? Call it Poets’ Corner? Perhaps not as they are buried there. Live Poets’ Society?

Haha, I love this--  though I'm guessing they might want to see if there's enough interest/longevity before making the thread special. We might have a better chance of getting it as a sticky thread...

But we do need to change the name of the thread, don't we?

I love "Live Poets Society"
Or we could do "Not-Dead (Undead?) Poets Society"  actually, being fantasy faction, "Undead Poets Society" could really work.

Or maybe we could bring our bongos and turtlenecks and meet to do beat poetry across from mugs of mead at the "King's Paws Poets Society"

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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 10:09:03 AM »
Woooow, ' Lies we tell'  hit me hard and had me saying yes, so very yes. 
Was able to substitute several times over for scholar and academic and it is still relevant and sadly still rings true. Thanks Bradley.
 
 But to brighter times- you do deserve a less pedestrian header for the thread and like Undead Poets *Society, but it is for the poets to decide.

*originally came out as Zociety, is that an omen?
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 05:06:22 PM »
Am I being the party-pooper if I suggest we think of fantasy-derived titles?

There's a whole bunch of fun ideas relating to bards and such - and Bradley aren't you into that sort of thing in your WIP?
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 06:30:30 PM »
This is a longish one, and it's not even close to being finished. I am curious if it is rhythmically followable and at all entertaining.

Spoiler for Hiden:
The Summer Wizards have me, I’m trapped in this high place,
All my friends are lost to me, they lie in death’s embrace.
The ancient bridge so high and wide, the town of Ryn below,
Shadowed by the citadel, that looms like threatened blow.
Five deadly Apex Wizards, now bar me from escape,
I can neither flee nor hide, this fate I can’t evade.

My shock shortlived to see him, the false friend now revealed,
Whose bitter mocking laughter, now proves my fate is sealed.
Rachtus greater power wields, we both know that is true.
Influence - my weaker craft, its merits all unproved,
Naught to Rachtus or his ilk, Empowered wizards all,
Whose sorcerous defenses, negate what I can call.

Neither shield nor wards have I, an Influential weak,
But mine’s the greater anger, my spells I needn’t speak.
“Yield,” the bastard Rachtus says, as if I might forget,
The ashes of his victims, and pain of my regret.

My sisters and my brothers, become now fearsome foes,
Kindle wards of ghostly light, to shield them from my blows.
Around me ring the killers, likes wolves around the stag.
Strong the gusting high winds blow, that whip our capes like flags.

I feel it then the tingling, the thrill of choking fear,
But glittering in answer, the lesson learned most dear,
The southern savage told me, the day he showed my worth,
One day that it would serve me, to know that on the earth,
A harder heart has no one, than mine within my breast,
Strong enough to drive myself, beyond the drowning test.
Power is a handy thing, and wisdom is a boon,
But nothing more than trifles, when facing certain doom.
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 11:10:45 AM »
Love this.

When I didn't know what to do with my (very unfinished) stories, I ended up poeming.

This is a dragon related one.

Enjoy ;D

Spoiler for Hiden:
Maligned

Much maligned am I.
In your ugly tales.
Your thoughtless myths,
Your endless  religions.
You pile the fetted mess of base human emotions,
Stinking and rotten
Upon my broad, bright shoulders
In a vain attempt to sully me.
For I am gold.
Glorious green.
Bright shining black.
Crimson sunset red.
For red in tooth and claw am I.
I refuse to accept your lies.

Much maligned am I
In diet.
So, I choose the freshest, sweetest bloom of youth.
Look to yourselves.
Look to the lamb that dances and prances
In the fresh green fields of Spring.
Then is gone.
There are no supermarket ready meals for such as I.
I pick my own from the wild and free,
No Linda McCartney veggie virgins for me.

Much maligned am I.
You try to push me into darkened corners.
Under the earth.
Behind the door.
You treat me like a child's boggie man
But I am more.
You think I am a Lambeth worm
Full of slime, spite and bubbling bile.
That can only defile the land where I slide.
You think me an evil, twisted monster,
Just existing for your heros to slay.
So that the darkness I embody
Can be kept at bay.
You think my shameful, endless death
Lights a candle against the Dark.
Think again, little ape.
I am the Dark...?

So Look at me!
I am glorious, standing tall in the shade of the glowing sun.
I am Magnificent.
Terrific, and terrifying.
Deadly, yet I shine.
As I spread my majestic wings to shade you from your small horizons
I am the mirror of your desires.
I run riot in your nightmares.
Without me, you have no dreams.
Look up at me and tremble.
I am dragon.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2018, 11:13:14 AM by idledragon27 »
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 12:40:11 PM »
Am I being the party-pooper if I suggest we think of fantasy-derived titles?

There's a whole bunch of fun ideas relating to bards and such - and Bradley aren't you into that sort of thing in your WIP?

haha, why yes, Gem, actually songs play a big role in my WIP. While reviewers had a laundry list of things I did wrong, the one thing they said I did really well was the songs (well that, and shocking character deaths were my two strong points). Back when I first wrote it I titled it "Unsung Heroes" (but then as I've been editing for like 6 years some other guy published another fantasy novel by the exact same name sooo.. who knows what I'll call it) I was rolling with that theme and songs show up in the narrative.  Its worldbuilding, but the songs also do things. Characters sing them, they dream of being sung about, and in fact they do have some songs made about them and it features in the climax.  But the songs are almost always lies and half-truths.

Anyway so are "King's Paws Poets Society" and "Undead Poets Society" fantasy enough @The Gem Cutter ? Any thoughts @idledragon27 and @Jmack and @ScarletBea ?

(PS-- TGC and Idledragon27-- loving the action-packed poems!!!!!)

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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2018, 01:31:24 PM »
Bit of a Leonard when it comes to naming things, (I rarely title my poems) so either is good.

Thanks for liking the poem ;D
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Re: Poems and Prose-Poetry here!
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2018, 02:16:35 PM »
Anyway so are "King's Paws Poets Society" and "Undead Poets Society" fantasy enough @The Gem Cutter ? Any thoughts @idledragon27 and @Jmack and @ScarletBea ?


The first one only works if people know that our 'tavern' is called King's Paws (and then it could be "King's Paws - Poets Society branch" hehe)

I like "Undead Poets Society"

What about "The Castle Bards" or "Poet Warriors"?
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »
I suppose one can't be blamed for cheesiness when titling a board where we are presenting our sometimes unabashedly cheesy poems - is "Only Mostly Dead Poet Society" too cheesy?

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2018, 09:32:28 PM »
I LOVE LOVE LOVE
“Only mostly dead poets society”
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Only Mostly Dead Poets Society
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2018, 10:22:22 PM »
Ok I got the first and last post changed!