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Re: Gender-Swapping the Bad Guy®
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2016, 07:10:04 PM »
they can't understand why everyone doesn't just stay in their own little stereotypical worlds and stop trying to take their stuff from them.  dammit -- women are supposed to read stephenie meyer, not george r. r. martin!

I think you summed up the Gamergate (and similar annoying movements) well, but the other thing I'd call out is that it's becoming more common for people to assume that what they don't like is what other people must not like, and that anyone who likes something they don't has an agenda. And while that's often true of Gamergate folks, they aren't the only offenders.

The new Ghostbusters movie was a great example, if we're on the topic of gender swapping. There were a huge number of folks (not just GGers) who screamed into the Internet void before, during, and after it came out about how terrible it would be (and how they felt about it). Even now, whenever I see someone say they enjoyed the movie (guess what - *I* enjoyed the movie!) I see people claiming that they only say they enjoyed it because:

- They hate men
- They are crazy feminists
- They are SJWs

...and they actually didn't enjoy it at all. They just said they did to push "their agenda".

This is the same thing that inspired the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies. They saw books winning Hugos, and those were books they didn't personally enjoy. Naturally, the books couldn't be winning because others who weren't Sad or Rabid Puppies enjoyed them (right?) ... it was, instead, all a liberal SJW conspiracy. >.>

It's like ... these days, some people can't comprehend the idea that people can like stuff that they don't (personally) like. If someone didn't enjoy the new Ghostbusters, that's fine! It's an opinion, and they are welcome to their opinion. It's when those people forcefully try to tell other people (who did enjoy the movie) that no, they didn't actually enjoy it. They're just pushing an agenda. That's both frustrating and condescending in equal measure.

To take your example above, adult men can like Stephanie Meyer, and teenage girls can like George R. R. Martin. People like what they like! The sooner self-appointed jerks stop telling people that they don't actually like the things they like, the happier I'll be.

And as mentioned, this is a great forum for this. I often see people disagreeing about books and movies (one says I loved it, one says I hated it) but there's never any "You didn't actually like that! You're just pushing an agenda!" ... at least not that doesn't get immediately and overwhelmingly shut down.

We're pretty good at policing ourselves, I think.

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Re: Gender-Swapping the Bad Guy®
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2016, 02:29:08 PM »
Although the article is about protagonists, I think their approach is an excellent example of how to introduce females in a way that 1) goes beyond switching body and name and 2) leverages the female gender to further the story and 3) finding themes that fully incorporate the character and their gender into the story.

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/watch-why-aliens-is-the-mother-of-action-movies?utm_campaign=citizennet&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
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Re: Gender-Swapping the Bad Guy®
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2016, 03:51:18 PM »
Although the article is about protagonists, I think their approach is an excellent example of how to introduce females in a way that 1) goes beyond switching body and name and 2) leverages the female gender to further the story and 3) finding themes that fully incorporate the character and their gender into the story.

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/watch-why-aliens-is-the-mother-of-action-movies?utm_campaign=citizennet&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

that was pretty damn good.  tho, i could just be saying that because aliens is in my top-3 of all time movies.  (for those keeping score, the other two are princess bride and army of darkness)

looking back at my own gender-swap, i think it works because the dude who was swapped was an elder statesman kind of character with harsh, bloodthirsty tendencies.  the straight up him/her swap worked amazingly well and highlighted some things about the character i probably wouldn't have thought to do had it been originally written as a woman.

that, and (s)he's only been in one chapter so far, so there's not much contextual canon written yet.  it's mostly just that chapter of behavioral stuff.