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Offline Trueblue4u

Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« on: May 01, 2016, 02:27:05 AM »
Thanks everyone for helping me so much on SERGEI, my bullied Russian dwarf from the turn of the 20th century that runs away from home and learns to fight from a Chinese martial arts master. (Link here: http://www.amazon.com/Sergei-Legendary-Masters-Josh-Behar-ebook/dp/B01CVTZ6BA?ie=UTF8&keywords=sergei&qid=1462065928&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3)

I originally posted, asking if my COVER was any good, to which I received some great replies (the best one was "I don't see dwarf, China, or Kung-fu, so no, it's not good.  It should be called Kung Fu Dwarf Master." - I loved that quote).

THEN, someone actually read a few pages of my book (thank you Lady Ty) and said "you know, this really isn't fantasy." - to which I will reply - "You're right!"

Here's my problem:  PLEASE HELP ME FIGURE OUT  MY GENRE IF I'M WRONG?

My series is LEGENDARY MASTERS, about 3 fighters on their way to an otherworldly tournament.  The first book, SERGEI, was always intended to be the 'normal' book…a character (I hoped) that everyone could root-for and love, but a book based in REALITY, no fantasy, just realism.

The second book, KUNG-FU GHOST, is really where the fantasy part kicks in, about a boy that gets killed in the first chapter and must avenge his family.  That book is more 'paranormal' than fantasy.  Our hero defy's the afterlife and time itself to achieve his goals.

The third book (Not that anyone cares but I want to be clear) is about RAVEN, a rich girl that must solve the mystery of a secret Japanese organization that's trying to overrun the world.  This book has more of a 'magic' element to it, as well as fighting (as they all do).

The last book, BATTLE ON WU-DANG MOUNTAIN, is where all three of my fighters come together in the Nexus, an afterlife realm where the forces of darkness can more easily reach the earthly realm…if they're allowed do.  This book is really 'fantasy' because they're in another dimension, all the main characters are all from different times and it's a battle between mortals and demons of a dark afterlife realm called The Netherworld.

So I ask you….what's my genre?  I'll try to attach my cover for KUNG-FU GHOST, which is in the same illustrative vein as Sergei (a ghostly arm, holding a sword), but we'll see…

PLEASE HELP!  :)

Offline jefGoelz

Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 02:54:35 AM »
Is there anything in "Game of Thrones" that is Fantasy, other than the prologue? 
Maybe you need a prologue.  ;)

Though, if your dwarf is racially a dwarf, rather than a human, you have Fantasy (magic or mythical beasts).
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Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 03:23:40 AM »
Kung Fu Dwarf Master versus Muay Thai Elf Grandmaster and Pugilist Orcs.

After a knockout, the winner finishes the other with a Fatality. That would be awesome.

But since this book doesn't appear to have magic and the dwarf is actually a human, maybe the correct classification would be "Action"? YA or Adult fiction, depending on the content?
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Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 04:12:09 AM »
Is there anything in "Game of Thrones" that is Fantasy, other than the prologue? 
Maybe you need a prologue.  ;)

Though, if your dwarf is racially a dwarf, rather than a human, you have Fantasy (magic or mythical beasts).
Dragons in GoT?

Sergei isn't a fantasy dwarf, this is the sticky part, he's a human dwarf. I agree if there are fantasy elements to come and you want to work it in with the genres, of YA, Action, Fantasy, maybe a prologue would be good. It could hint that magic/supernatural is actually around in this world, but you "begin the journey with  a young human fighting for survival... " that is appalling cliche, there are others here who can make far better suggestions ;D ;D ;D

I haven't read far, is there any hint of magic or fantasy later on in Sergei, or does the world as you show it in this first book have any possible elements of fantasy

 ETA Do you mention the Netherworld or elements of the tournament that may show fantasy?
« Last Edit: May 01, 2016, 04:39:32 AM by Lady_Ty »
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Offline jefGoelz

Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 04:05:43 AM »
Is there anything in "Game of Thrones" that is Fantasy, other than the prologue? 
Maybe you need a prologue.  ;)

Though, if your dwarf is racially a dwarf, rather than a human, you have Fantasy (magic or mythical beasts).
Dragons in GoT?


ah, yeah. I guess they appeared in the first book.

Offline Yora

Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 11:25:20 AM »
So the first book doesn't have anything supernatural going on in it?

That sounds a lot like you're switching genre halfway through the series or at the end of the book. What kind of people would love this?

People who want to read fantasy would start reading and think "This isn't fantasy" and stop reading before the fantasy starts. People who don't want to read fantasy might like it at the beginning and then get unhappy when it suddenly starts becoming fantasy.

I am generally with the camp that says that a book or series has to begin with making the readers a promise what kind of story this will be. If they end up getting something other than what was promised at the beginning, it usually makes readers unhappy.
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Offline CryptofCthulhu

Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 11:39:00 AM »
Are you asking this from a marketing standpoint?
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Offline JRTroughton

Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 11:39:54 AM »
So the first book doesn't have anything supernatural going on in it?

That sounds a lot like you're switching genre halfway through the series or at the end of the book. What kind of people would love this?

People who want to read fantasy would start reading and think "This isn't fantasy" and stop reading before the fantasy starts. People who don't want to read fantasy might like it at the beginning and then get unhappy when it suddenly starts becoming fantasy.

I am generally with the camp that says that a book or series has to begin with making the readers a promise what kind of story this will be. If they end up getting something other than what was promised at the beginning, it usually makes readers unhappy.
Was about the post the exact same thing. Bolded part is key.

If it's a fantasy trilogy, you need fantasy (whatever that means - a question for another day, perhaps) throughout. That doesn't mean it can't grow in scope and depth and become more prevalent as the series progresses, but jumping from a book with no fantasy elements to having them in the rest of the series? Risky.

Offline Trueblue4u

Re: Is my book (and book series) actually FANTASY?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2016, 02:29:51 AM »
Thanks for all your comments…

Here was my plan: I wanted the first book to be rooted in reality, so I didn't want to have anything really supernatural because SERGEI was the 'root,' the reality that will get shaken later on.  Then, in GHOST (the next book) you get the full-frontal paranormal because this kid goes into The Netherworld and has to learn how to deal.  Then, the third book, RAVEN, she links both books because she fights guys that want to help The Netherworld.  Then, in the last book BATTLE ON WU-DANG MOUNTAIN, Sergei - who has never experienced anything supernatural - will be forced to redefine his views on the world.

I don't think I was trying to trick anyone, but my 'promise' has always been - here is a great book.  The only supernatural element in SERGEI is his step-mentor, who is an Immortal, and the book alludes to that.

I'm sad now. Thanks. :-\