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Offline Ray McCarthy

Re: Is the trope of evil monstrous humanoids problematic?
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 08:51:10 PM »
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Offline Eli_Freysson

Re: Is the trope of evil monstrous humanoids problematic?
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2017, 09:34:26 PM »
The lights have gone out.
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... what?
I'll notify your next of kin... that you sucked!

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Re: Is the trope of evil monstrous humanoids problematic?
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 10:47:02 PM »
The lights have gone out.
Beware the Grue.

I never anthropomorphized the Grue. I suppose it could be humanoid, but there was never any evidence back when the Grue wandered in the dark.

Then again I never anthropomorphized the Boojum until I realized that the Boojum's lesser form could feel threatened by a railway share.
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Re: Is the trope of evil monstrous humanoids problematic?
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2017, 07:32:14 AM »
The lights have gone out.
Beware the Grue.

... what?



>u
You can't go up the stairs, the door is locked.  Your rusty lantern sputters its final breath, leaving you in pitch darkness.
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You look in your pack.  You have fuck-all.
It is pitch black.  You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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AAAAAAHHHHHHHH! Screaming has no effect. It is pitch black.  You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

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Re: Is the trope of evil monstrous humanoids problematic?
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2017, 08:25:04 AM »
For the past 3 completed years ('14, '15, '16), per Publisher's Weekly, Fantasy lost 26% of its adult fiction market share. Vagaries of their statistics and interpreting them notwithstanding, it seems at least a current trend. It seems that most of the genre's favored tropes are falling out of favor, reminding me of the decline of Westerns. We grew tired of simplistic villains, stereotypical Indians, unwashed misogyny, unrealistic gunfights, and all the rest, arriving at an anti-genre position one strand at a time, mostly from a process of elimination. Attempts at Westerns that avoided the out-of-favor conventions by reversing them, dodging them altogether, etc., were ... lackluster. The very, very few that weren't almost prove the theory: they feature few Western tropes outside of the setting - a pattern you can see in Fantasy already, vis a vis War of the Roses, err, GoT, whose popularity is shrinking as the core, long-postponed Tropes are finally revealed: Jon's a Chosen One!











There's a decline in reading period (except for juvenile fiction, but that's b/c more adults are reading YA and the majority of YA sales are actually to adults).  Twitter replaced journalism first, next tweets are going to replace the novel.

Offline Ray McCarthy

Re: Is the trope of evil monstrous humanoids problematic?
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2017, 10:45:13 AM »
There has been a MASSIVE shift to eBooks, but NOT by the established big publishers. If you subtract audiobooks (Trad publishers lump them with eBook), then Trad publishers, esp. the big six, have seen a massive drop in ALL genres on eBooks (Price too high, no long tail, DRM etc).
Independent, specialist and SP eBooks are all up, I think in all genres in 2016.
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