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Title: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 14, 2015, 12:55:56 PM
This is your thread to fess up to not writing any words when you could have.
The joy of this is that posting in this thread is a wonderful way to avoid writing words.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 14, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
This is your thread to fess up to not writing any words when you could have.
The joy of this is that posting in this thread is a wonderful way to avoid writing words.
I created this thread in order to avoid writing. And then I posted here to continue delaying.  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on March 14, 2015, 01:07:23 PM
I haven't been writing in a while (as in a week now).
Then again, people are reading the first version of my only recently version and I'm waiting for their reviews/edits. Bad excuse >.>
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 14, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
I've not written any prose since the Rogues short story...  :o

We've spent a bit of time plotting though. One sentence summary is done, two page (1k word) summary is done, now we're working on the beat sheet. Technically speaking we could start writing straight away - we have the first three or four chapters completed in the beat sheet (roughly 12-15k words) - but with just over half of the rest of it not defined to that level of detail it doesn't feel ready yet. Too much potential for major structural changes at this point  :P

So instead I've been reading, playing a couple of games, and we've been working out the logistics of shifting to the Dymaxion sleep cycle  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 14, 2015, 01:21:50 PM
I'm not sure that's enough avoidance @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840). Please do worse.  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 14, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
I'm not sure that's enough avoidance @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840). Please do worse.  ;)
Once we switch to that sleep cycle, our waking days will be 22 hours long. Imagine how much writing time that'll give us...  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Wizard Police on March 14, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
Yesterday only wrote 1000, I could have written so much more if someone didn't introduce me to Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood on Netflix, which is so much better than the 2003 version. I watched 18 episodes straight.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 14, 2015, 03:36:33 PM
Yesterday only wrote 1000, I could have written so much more if someone didn't introduce me to Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood on Netflix, which is so much better than the 2003 version. I watched 18 episodes straight.
Haha nice! We have the whole series on DVD  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 14, 2015, 03:58:53 PM
I have written nothing (in English) in a month (by fiction standards), but hopefully I will change that today.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: xiagan on March 14, 2015, 05:04:09 PM
I have written nothing (in English) in a month (by fiction standards), but hopefully I will change that today.
On the other hand your 500k words novel in gibberish is coming along great.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 14, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
I have written nothing (in English) in a month (by fiction standards), but hopefully I will change that today.
On the other hand your 500k words novel in gibberish is coming along great.

Hey! I bet some people called Tolkein's work gibberish in the beginning.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on March 16, 2015, 05:08:48 AM
I wrote 29 words today. *snivel*
But hey I'm very happy with them all!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 16, 2015, 10:26:16 AM
I wrote 29 words today. *snivel*
But hey I'm very happy with them all!
And you call that avoidance?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on March 16, 2015, 10:51:18 AM
Nah it's even better. Total avoidance would be too easy. Such a small performance, especially when I spent 3 hours of mindless manual labor hashing over my text, staging dialogs in my mind like a mad woman, it's pretty insolent no?  8)

I'll regret it tomorrow when I pick back work and I start reviewing the same dialogs but they'll all be less witty because I didn't take any notes
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on March 18, 2015, 11:43:11 AM
Finding new lows : spent the day writing - articles, mails.. But I. The end decided to dump an entirely finished chapter from my work and do some massive reshaping.
So I officially canceled out my days writing and worse, went into negative on the actual work writing.
Gloom gloom!!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 18, 2015, 11:49:42 AM
Finding new lows : spent the day writing - articles, mails.. But I. The end decided to dump an entirely finished chapter from my work and do some massive reshaping.
So I officially canceled out my days writing and worse, went into negative on the actual work writing.
Gloom gloom!!
That is exquisitely and painfully appropriate for this thread (even if not exactly avoidance). ;D ;D ;D
Sorry to hear.

I put aside my "second world"work in progress (tired of "world building) and spun up a new outline for an old idea. Still not writing (but not exactly avoiding  :-[ )
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 18, 2015, 11:57:13 AM
Must feel horrible to have to do that.  :-\ Exactly why I'm in favour of extensive outlining.

I've been doing the best kind of not-writing: reading! Finished Promise of Blood this morning, and I'm already something like 70% through The Crimson Campaign.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2015, 10:16:05 PM
Finding new lows : spent the day writing - articles, mails.. But I. The end decided to dump an entirely finished chapter from my work and do some massive reshaping.
So I officially canceled out my days writing and worse, went into negative on the actual work writing.
Gloom gloom!!
I read a post by Abercrombie on his blog once which spoke about words written as opposed to how many of those words actually make it into the finished project.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on March 19, 2015, 12:48:45 AM
No actually I'm really glad I did.

It's entirely @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) 's fault anyway!! Which is also why I'm glad I posted my chapters in the critiqued area. Would have wished for more reviews but in the end Elfy's one gave me a wake up kick in the derriere.

I wish to write something light and fast paced against a dark-grim background and spinning around pretty serious ideas. And the chapter I trashed was a lengthy presentation of the main character during a communal funeral pyre on the beach. Too heavy, too dark and setting a slow pace.
Besides, though I appreciate the references Elfy got me, I realised how inappropriate Melbourne would be for me. I've spent enough months there to realise fully that I wouldn't get away with what I wanted without massively rebuilding the town.
So I gave up entirely and decided to set up North-East of Melbourne with a new super-city, entirely created to host some of the millions of refugees that flooded Aussie. International influence and the need to create nuclear resistant housings will let me shape my new town just like I fancy. Really can't complain. It also gave me an all fresh idea for the opening of my work, so I'm pretty excited.  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Anna Smith-Spark on March 24, 2015, 08:05:33 PM
I wrote maybe five hundred words today (on the train!). Hard to write at six thirty am when the person in front of you is watching Poldark on a tablet. More than hard, in fact.

I did, however, repeatedly facebook the fact  that my unpublished novel was described as a masterpiece on reddit yesterday. That took up quite a bit of my day.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 27, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Done a bit of work today - simultaneously working on the outline at chapter, scene, and sub-scene level. However I keep getting distracted, reloading the FF unread posts page/reading new posts, reading another forum I'm on, and researching a few things. I'm even considering finally get around to replying to Justan's monolithic posts in the Scene & Chapter length thread. Even worse, I'm very tempted to stop and play a game for a bit...  ???
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 27, 2015, 02:36:33 PM
Done a bit of work today - simultaneously working on the outline at chapter, scene, and sub-scene level. However I keep getting distracted, reloading the FF unread posts page/reading new posts, and researching a few things. I'm even considering finally get around to replying to Justan's monolithic posts in the Scene & Chapter length thread. Even worse, I'm very tempted to stop and play a game for a bit...  ???
All of that ^

But NOT THIS!
Quote
reading another forum I'm on
;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on March 27, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
I wrote about 800 words last night, then deleted them all in fit of rage.

Went back to reread a previous chapter, deleted more words from there too.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 27, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Done a bit of work today - simultaneously working on the outline at chapter, scene, and sub-scene level. However I keep getting distracted, reloading the FF unread posts page/reading new posts, and researching a few things. I'm even considering finally get around to replying to Justan's monolithic posts in the Scene & Chapter length thread. Even worse, I'm very tempted to stop and play a game for a bit...  ???
All of that ^

But NOT THIS!
Quote
reading another forum I'm on
;D
Lol I actually have somewhere between three and four times as many posts on the other forum...  :o


I wrote about 800 words last night, then deleted them all in fit of rage.

Went back to reread a previous chapter, deleted more words from there too.
Ouch, that sounds painful! :(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on March 27, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
For all those in this thread (including me)

GET BACK TO WRITING YOU LAZY HOBBITS!
Now where did I leave my pipeweed...  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 27, 2015, 03:13:17 PM
For all those in this thread (including me)

GET BACK TO WRITING YOU LAZY HOBBITS!
Now where did I leave my pipeweed...  ;)
Hmm, get back to writing you say?

/considers the suggestion

Nah. I'm gonna go read.  :D

(my partner's ill, so I'm gonna take a break and hopefully help make her feel a bit better)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 27, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
It's been about two years since I last wrote my story. Okay okay, I have been rebuilding the world and getting ready for a re-write, so I have written some things relating to the story. But do I still get some sort of prize for writing avoidance?  :)

Done a bit of work today - simultaneously working on the outline at chapter, scene, and sub-scene level. However I keep getting distracted, reloading the FF unread posts page/reading new posts, and researching a few things. I'm even considering finally get around to replying to Justan's monolithic posts in the Scene & Chapter length thread. Even worse, I'm very tempted to stop and play a game for a bit...  ???
All of that ^

But NOT THIS!
Quote
reading another forum I'm on
;D
Lol I actually have somewhere between three and four times as many posts on the other forum...  :o
Even more posts than here!?!? Please teach me that time-stop spell of yours, Raptori. Maybe then I could solve my time management problems.  :P

(my partner's ill, so I'm gonna take a break and hopefully help make her feel a bit better)
One Get Well Soon wish for your partner.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on March 27, 2015, 05:26:10 PM
Ouch, that sounds painful! :(

The wounds ran deep.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 27, 2015, 06:24:46 PM
It's been about two years since I last wrote my story. Okay okay, I have been rebuilding the world and getting ready for a re-write, so I have written some things relating to the story. But do I still get some sort of prize for writing avoidance?  :)
It's possible, though I think worldbuilding might count, since it's still working on the story...  :P

Done a bit of work today - simultaneously working on the outline at chapter, scene, and sub-scene level. However I keep getting distracted, reloading the FF unread posts page/reading new posts, and researching a few things. I'm even considering finally get around to replying to Justan's monolithic posts in the Scene & Chapter length thread. Even worse, I'm very tempted to stop and play a game for a bit...  ???
All of that ^

But NOT THIS!
Quote
reading another forum I'm on
;D
Lol I actually have somewhere between three and four times as many posts on the other forum...  :o
Even more posts than here!?!? Please teach me that time-stop spell of yours, Raptori. Maybe then I could solve my time management problems.  :P
Yeah, though there are a lot of people on there with many more posts than me. The person with the highest number of posts has been there since 2006, and has 74,063 in total... so over 8,200 per year. There's another guy a few places below him with over 50,000 posts in 6 years, so almost 9,000 per year. I've been there about six months, so my post rate there is just under 3,000 per year.

Moral of the story: Raptori's time-stop spell is second rate!  :(

(my partner's ill, so I'm gonna take a break and hopefully help make her feel a bit better)
One Get Well Soon wish for your partner.
Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Eclipse on March 27, 2015, 08:00:35 PM
Well it's obvious then that people here put quality over quantity..... ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 27, 2015, 08:37:28 PM
Well it's obvious then that people here put quality over quantity..... ;D

You obviously have no clue how I got to this number. ;)

Back on topic: Does working on a paper count as avoiding? Because I'm getting TOO good at that if you tell me.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on March 27, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Back on topic: Does working on a paper count as avoiding? Because I'm getting TOO good at that if you tell me.
You are the only judge of whether this is productive or just obsessive and avoiding behavior.  ;D
Thought, I'll judge too if you want.
In fact, yes, IT'S AVOIDANCE.
There. Answered.  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on March 27, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
Well it's obvious then that people here put quality over quantity..... ;D
Lol yeah, a lot of that other forum is more chatting than anything else. Plus there are tens of thousands of active members, so it doesn't have wuite the same community feeling. :)

Also, yes working on a paper is very clearly avoidance. Writing fiction is far more important.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on March 27, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
I don't generally write on the weekend unless something really hits me that I can't ignore. I do edit, though.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on April 04, 2015, 09:52:57 PM
F-F is really dead today. Even though I've managed to watch two and a half football matches today (so almost four hours of playing time), read for a while, gone shopping, and done a little work, and played a couple of computer games for a while, I've actually had so much time that I've run out of excuses to avoid writing. Have now taken a scene outline roughly 400 words long and expanded it to 1200, currently about 1/3 of the way through it.

Where have you all gone?  ???
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 04, 2015, 10:02:23 PM
F-F is really dead today. Even though I've managed to watch two and a half football matches today (so almost four hours of playing time), read for a while, gone shopping, and done a little work, and played a couple of computer games for a while, I've actually had so much time that I've run out of excuses to avoid writing. Have now taken a scene outline roughly 400 words long and expanded it to 1200, currently about 1/3 of the way through it.

Where have you all gone?  ???
Did my tax return.
Ironed table cloth for tomorrow's family dinner, with which we are now stuck what with my mother-in-law lost in the fog of Alzheimer's  :-[
Just finished watching the first episode of Outlander. Pretty fun.
Two people have read my actual story submission for April, and neither got it. There's work to do, apparently.
I have to sing at church tonight. Why did I agree?

Haven't written anything except Atku's submission and my own draft in... Oh, a few weeks? Cr*p

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), the term in the U.S. for hearing nothing when you're waiting for a reply or such is:
"crickets"
 ;D

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Eclipse on April 04, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
F-F is really dead today. Even though I've managed to watch two and a half football matches today (so almost four hours of playing time), read for a while, gone shopping, and done a little work, and played a couple of computer games for a while, I've actually had so much time that I've run out of excuses to avoid writing. Have now taken a scene outline roughly 400 words long and expanded it to 1200, currently about 1/3 of the way through it.

Where have you all gone?  ???

Everyone's had too much chocolate and are too lazy to post  :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on April 04, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
F-F is really dead today. Even though I've managed to watch two and a half football matches today (so almost four hours of playing time), read for a while, gone shopping, and done a little work, and played a couple of computer games for a while, I've actually had so much time that I've run out of excuses to avoid writing. Have now taken a scene outline roughly 400 words long and expanded it to 1200, currently about 1/3 of the way through it.

Where have you all gone?  ???
I've been incredibly busy with my very active and totally existing social life.
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...Okay, I've just been playing Monster Hunter all day and trying to work up the motivation to write something.

Basically, despite having all the free time in the world, I've hit a really nasty wall at the moment. I'm currently on the second draft of my book and I reached a spot that I also struggled over on the first draft but which needs some really heavy rewriting. It's especially difficult because it's introducing a character I've always struggled to get a good handle on and I'm worried the scene slips too far into being overly silly rather than comedic. I suppose it's best to just slug through it and then polish it up on the third draft.

Been meaning to ask though, what happened to those writing groups we were planning on organising a couple months back?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on April 04, 2015, 10:13:47 PM
I'm having a existential plotting crisis.

Too much ambition toward plot. Sure.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on April 04, 2015, 10:27:40 PM
Did my tax return.
Ironed table cloth for tomorrow's family dinner, with which we are now stuck what with my mother-in-law lost in the fog of Alzheimer's  :-[
Just finished watching the first episode of Outlander. Pretty fun.
Two people have read my actual story submission for April, and neither got it. There's work to do, apparently.
I have to sing at church tonight. Why did I agree?

Haven't written anything except Atku's submission and my own draft in... Oh, a few weeks? Cr*p

@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), the term in the U.S. for hearing nothing when you're waiting for a reply or such is:
"crickets"
 ;D
Yikes, that's responsible! I haven't watched a new TV show in years... no idea what that even is!  :o
Sad about your mother-in-law, Alzheimer's sucks  :(

Humph that's lame, I would've thought that the term in the US would've been "tumbleweed". I are disappoint.

Everyone's had too much chocolate and are too lazy to post  :D
:'( No chocolate here. I'm gonna eat biscuits and tea and mope.

I've been incredibly busy with my very active and totally existing social life.
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...Okay, I've just been playing Monster Hunter all day and trying to work up the motivation to write something.

Basically, despite having all the free time in the world, I've hit a really nasty wall at the moment. I'm currently on the second draft of my book and I reached a spot that I also struggled over on the first draft but which needs some really heavy rewriting. It's especially difficult because it's introducing a character I've always struggled to get a good handle on and I'm worried the scene slips too far into being overly silly rather than comedic. I suppose it's best to just slug through it and then polish it up on the third draft.

Been meaning to ask though, what happened to those writing groups we were planning on organising a couple months back?
Played Monster Hunter years ago, was pretty fun. I only play Football Manager and PES these days though... stopped playing proper games ages ago.  :-\

Yeah sounds like the right plan, if it's not working right now then it's better to get through it and go over it again later. Also see a lot of advice saying completely scrap the current version of the scene and start over, then merge the best parts of the two versions... no idea how well that would work though!

Haven't heard anything about them either, though since we opted out for the first round that's not surprising!

I'm having a existential plotting crisis.

Too much ambition toward plot. Sure.
There's a difference?  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on April 05, 2015, 12:20:55 AM
Raptori's plea reminds me of a line from an Everything But The Girl song: 'Everyday's like Christmas Day without you, it's cold and there's nothing to do'. The song is called Don't Leave Me Behind.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SarahW on April 05, 2015, 07:32:27 PM
For today, I avoided the 500 words I normally do. Instead of this, I'm weaving again studying it as a writer would. In a sense the over and under motion is like try/fail cycles.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 05, 2015, 07:37:11 PM
For today, I avoided the 500 words I normally do. Instead of this, I'm weaving again studying it as a writer would. In a sense the over and under motion is like try/fail cycles.
This is a wondeful avoidance story. Something we should all aspire to live down to.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Anna Smith-Spark on April 06, 2015, 09:39:51 AM
I'm completely paralysed waiting to hear back from publishers. Broken Knives is currently Schrödinger's cat: I haven't opened the box yet, so it's not actually dead. It's so hard writing number two whilst waiting for number one to be officially put down. And my husband insisted on watching the original Star Wars trilogy, so that was distracting.

But what I have written seems pretty good, if several hundred obscenities strung together with the odd innuendo thrown in technically counts as writing...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 06, 2015, 11:19:39 AM

But what I have written seems pretty good, if several hundred obscenities strung together with the odd innuendo thrown in technically counts as writing...

Or you could count it as avoiding. We'd be totally down with that.  ;D
But here's hoping the cat survives and gets kittens!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on April 06, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
It's funny how easy it is to procrastinate and avoid writing, even though once you're writing it's incredibly fun. Makes me wonder what is wrong with my brain.  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on April 07, 2015, 01:27:28 AM
I think to a certain extent it's fear. It is with me sometimes. I sit down and think about writing and there's this little voice in my head saying: 'what if it's crap?' 'what if the words just don't come?' 'go on check out Fantasy Faction. You can write tomorrow.'
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on April 21, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Haven't written anything since I finished my short story, feel demotivated to work on my bigger story, have no other main idea to dig and yet my hand seems to itch.
Bouh!  :-[
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on April 22, 2015, 02:41:59 AM
I'm doing it every chance I get at present. I just have this massive lack of confidence in everything.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on April 22, 2015, 02:54:08 AM
I'm doing it every chance I get at present. I just have this massive lack of confidence in everything.
Yeah, I get that now and again as well. It's the main reason I've spent the last week or so repeatedly trying to polish the first chapter of my book, rather than working on getting the rest done. It isn't working. Every time I read it, I get this niggling feeling something's badly wrong with it. Largely with the opening prose. I'm half tempted to post in the critique thread just to see whether I'm just being paranoid or it really is terrible.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on April 22, 2015, 04:02:24 AM
I'm doing it every chance I get at present. I just have this massive lack of confidence in everything.
Yeah, I get that now and again as well. It's the main reason I've spent the last week or so repeatedly trying to polish the first chapter of my book, rather than working on getting the rest done. It isn't working. Every time I read it, I get this niggling feeling something's badly wrong with it. Largely with the opening prose. I'm half tempted to post in the critique thread just to see whether I'm just being paranoid or it really is terrible.
I know that feeling. My advice would be to post it and see if your fears are confirmed. I doubt that they will be. A lot of it is about conquering the fear and not letting it rule you.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 11:56:50 AM
I've spent hours today and yesterday researching sailing instead of writing, specifically the merchant sailing ships like the east indiamen and china clippers, since they're key to the culture we're focusing on in our book. Still find it mind-boggling that sail ships can sail against the wind, even though I get the physics of it.  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: silvijanus on April 24, 2015, 03:19:58 PM
It's funny how easy it is to procrastinate and avoid writing, even though once you're writing it's incredibly fun. Makes me wonder what is wrong with my brain.  :o
That! It makes two of us if it's easier to you... :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Last night, my wife was on a spelling bee team for the local literacy council fundraiser. (They won for the first time. Yay!)

Got back home about 8:00 PM (thank God you EU types haven't switched time to the metric system  :P ).

Thought I might write; I have an idea I'm stewing on. But instead I watched hockey (which means look up at the TV for the replay when someone scores), played Words With Friends, checked the forum and read the first installment of KJParker's Two of Swords.

No writing.

Though I did invent a bit of doggerel on the way into work this morning:

The warning bell is tolling; there's a storm upon the sea.
The devil's tide is rolling for the souls of you and me.
So take a draught of courage and cast aside your fear,
For when it comes to oceans, lads, I rather drown in beer.


I quite like that.  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on April 24, 2015, 03:52:16 PM
Last night, my wife was on a spelling bee team for the local literacy council fundraiser. (They won for the first time. Yay!)

Got back home about 8:00 PM (thank God you EU types haven't switched time to the metric system  :P ).
You mean 20:00?  ;)

Congratulations to your wife!

No writing.

Though I did invent a bit of doggerel on the way into work this morning:

The warning bell is tolling; there's a storm upon the sea.
The devil's tide is rolling for the souls of you and me.
So take a draught of courage and cast aside your fear,
For when it comes to oceans, lads, I rather drown in beer.


I quite like that.  8)
That's great! Not the no writing part but the writing part.  :)

I wrote a little bit of my Plot twist contest entry yesterday, but I still don't have a good plot for it (let alone twists). And I've been meaning to write something here on the forum the whole week, but the "You don't have anything relevant/important to say!" -part of my brain has thwarted every attempt.  :(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on April 24, 2015, 04:25:44 PM
I've been writing about rocks, minerals and whatnot... no actual story or plot about it but I suppose it's worldbuilding. I should get to editing what I have instead u.u
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 04:53:59 PM
I've been writing about rocks, minerals and whatnot... no actual story or plot about it but I suppose it's worldbuilding. I should get to editing what I have instead u.u
Excessive worldbuilding = avoiding writing  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: silvijanus on April 24, 2015, 07:39:57 PM
Excessive worldbuilding = avoiding writing  ;) ;D
Absolutely true. I've seen people who can talk about writing for hours, days, months... learning details about how crossbow works for example etc. but on the end of the day they don't write. What's happening, why someone who wants to write avoids writing all the time? 
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 07:59:35 PM
Excessive worldbuilding = avoiding writing  ;) ;D
Absolutely true. I've seen people who can talk about writing for hours, days, months... learning details about how crossbow works for example etc. but on the end of the day they don't write. What's happening, why someone who wants to write avoids writing all the time?
I actually think it's two different (though related) skills, and either hobby or both is perfectly OK. Though I do think a certain insight into one's own choices is useful.

You may love to imagine new worlds and spend hours research, detailing, etc. If you never write, you should recognize this is so, and use your world for games or art or... whatever floats your boat.  ;D  Meanwhile, you may be a writer who find worldbuilding too detailed and dull. You should stay away from stories that seem shallow without a deep rich world.

And then there are those lucky few who enjoy and are good at both.

There's a million reasons there are so few really good Fantasy writers.  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: silvijanus on April 24, 2015, 08:25:13 PM
No, no... people I'm thinking about want to write stories, not rpg backgrounds. Of course it's a good thing to know how to build a fort, how crossbows or sails work to make details realistic. I'm really interested in this conflict - avoiding writing. Why do we avoid writing if we want to write? I can understand few reasons: someone might just be too lazy, self doubt, lack of gripping story to tell... or if you are G. Martin I can understand that you have everything: respect of writers and readers, money and fame... so why finish the series, it's becoming a chore.

I read one good line, it goes something like: "good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the internet." Maybe this is the reason. Raptori said: when I start writing it's incredibly fun. Even though we still tend to avoid writing. Really funny actually :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 24, 2015, 08:32:03 PM
"Good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the internet."
Certainly at play, isn't it?  ;D  I get distracted by F-F all the time.

Yes, I did understand your point; was just trying to look at the other side of the coin.  8)

And to your point, I think there's many reasons, and a few come to mind that might be interesting to think about:
> The blank page is terrifying (Do I have anything to say?)
> The page with ink on it is terrifying (Is what I'm saying worth a damn thing?)
> We're deluding ourselves and somewhere deep down we know it (I'm really good at writing... er, no)
> We're just procrastinating because, well, see the three above  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on April 24, 2015, 08:44:00 PM
You may love to imagine new worlds and spend hours research, detailing, etc. If you never write, you should recognize this is so, and use your world for games or art or... whatever floats your boat.  ;D 
I think if you're like this and know it (that is, you know that you're never write a proper book), you could actually offer it as a job within the book industry, not just games and art.
I mean, you see people around here offering reviews, edits, covers, maps, etc, so what about worldbuilding and detail?
Or do you all think this is something that writers take very personally, and if you don't *own* or have created your own world, then you're not truly a fantasy writer?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 08:47:39 PM
"Good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the internet."
Certainly at play, isn't it?  ;D  I get distracted by F-F all the time.

Yes, I did understand your point; was just trying to look at the other side of the coin.  8)

And to your point, I think there's many reasons, and a few come to mind that might be interesting to think about:
> The blank page is terrifying (Do I have anything to say?)
> The page with ink on it is terrifying (Is what I'm saying worth a damn thing?)
> We're deluding ourselves and somewhere deep down we know it (I'm really good at writing... er, no)
> We're just procrastinating because, well, see the three above  ;D
Not to mention the difficulty that can often appear when you try to translate your thoughts into words. Especially when writing a first draft.

I've found it's helpful to write a detailed scene sketch instead of full prose actually, so instead of writing in full sentences and stuff it's just clipped, present tense descriptions that capture the idea of what happens. It's easier to capture my thoughts that way, and when I read itback, it brings back the exact impression and thoughts that I had in my head much more effectively. It's then a lot easier to go through and work out a way of communicating that to someone else.

...but then I look at the scene sketch and feel like it doesn't really count as writing since I have to re-do it all anyway.  ???


You may love to imagine new worlds and spend hours research, detailing, etc. If you never write, you should recognize this is so, and use your world for games or art or... whatever floats your boat.  ;D 
I think if you're like this and know it (that is, you know that you're never write a proper book), you could actually offer it as a job within the book industry, not just games and art.
I mean, you see people around here offering reviews, edits, covers, maps, etc, so what about worldbuilding and detail?
Or do you all think this is something that writers take very personally, and if you don't *own* or have created your own world, then you're not truly a fantasy writer?
It's possible that some writers would like that, but I think they'd be more likely to want to collaborate with others rather than hire someone. I think most writers love creating things, so even if they don't enjoy making their worlds very detailed, they do enjoy some of the aspects of creating it and probably wouldn't give it up very easily.

Plus of course there's the question of how on earth you'd get paid for all that work - you'd be putting a huge amount of work in and risking the writer you're worldbuilding for being unsuccessful at getting their book published, or possibly even unable to write a good book in your setting.
 
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on April 24, 2015, 08:54:32 PM
Yes, I see your point...
And actually, after posting that, I'm just thinking: worldbuilding *is* very personal for an author, it's the core of their ideas, it's setting up the land and deciding where you're going to live for many pages, so it must be done by you.
Gosh, sometimes I wish I could worldbuild *my* real life...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on April 24, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
Yes, I see your point...
And actually, after posting that, I'm just thinking: worldbuilding *is* very personal for an author, it's the core of their ideas, it's setting up the land and deciding where you're going to live for many pages, so it must be done by you.
Gosh, sometimes I wish I could worldbuild *my* real life...
Yeah I think that's a good way of describing it.  :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: silvijanus on April 24, 2015, 11:16:01 PM
Yes, I did understand your point; was just trying to look at the other side of the coin.  8)

And to your point, I think there's many reasons, and a few come to mind that might be interesting to think about:
> The blank page is terrifying (Do I have anything to say?)
> The page with ink on it is terrifying (Is what I'm saying worth a damn thing?)
> We're deluding ourselves and somewhere deep down we know it (I'm really good at writing... er, no)
> We're just procrastinating because, well, see the three above  ;D
So, some self imposed pressure is stopping us from having that incredible fun we have when writing. Maybe one could try flip things over to more positive attitude... like "blank page is terrifying" to "let's fill this blank page with interesting new creation". If you have a deadline and a blank page, ok now it's more terrifying. Why amateur writer is terrified of blank page... and whole this writer avoids writing thing is funny.

Deluding part, ah maybe you are on to something there. When you are normal down to earth person maybe you doubt yourself and the story so often that it block writing. When you're a bit nuts on the other hand, you don't waste time thinking about delusion, you just write (paint, play music or whatever). Sometimes in life, most important step is to dare and try. Sam would never got Rosie if Frodo didn't pushed him :D 

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Worldbuilding: deciding where you're going to live for many pages
Good way of describing it, +1.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on April 25, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
Thought about all you F-F writers and this thread when I saw this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/the-hour-by0hour-routines-of-historys-most-creative-people/?1234

Apart from Mary Flannery O'Çonnor, of whom I have never heard,  Charles Dickens managed to find a fair bit of time avoiding writing, but still managed huge output so that should make you happy. On the other hand, Voltaire is a bit of a downer  ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, though, apart from Kafka and Murikami, all those authors  created human characters from known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions.  They all had examples to copy and draw from.  All fantasy authors have to start by being God of their own Universe and create everything and fit it correctly together in relation to all the rest.  Even if you copy some RL it still has to fit that which is not in your  own world.  You are incredibly brave to even attempt to begin. All hail, Heroes ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on April 25, 2015, 04:15:26 PM
Thought about all you F-F writers and this thread when I saw this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/the-hour-by0hour-routines-of-historys-most-creative-people/?1234

Apart from Mary Flannery O'Çonnor, of whom I have never heard,  Charles Dickens managed to find a fair bit of time avoiding writing, but still managed huge output so that should make you happy. On the other hand, Voltaire is a bit of a downer  ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, though, apart from Kafka and Murikami, all those authors  created human characters from known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions.  They all had examples to copy and draw from.  All fantasy authors have to start by being God of their own Universe and create everything and fit it correctly together in relation to all the rest.  Even if you copy some RL it still has to fit that which is not in your  own world.  You are incredibly brave to even attempt to begin. All hail, Heroes ;)

Just to be a bit of an annoying prick, I'll put a slight downer on that...
Fantasy writers mostly write about "conventional emotions" (right? Jealousy, envy, love, hate, rivalry, joy, contentment, greed..), and social conditions. A lot of fantasy writers may copy medieval systems for exemple, or modern social conditions. Some might create something quite new, but like for all the rest, we inspire ourselves a lot from what we know, be it to imitate or oppose it.
I think overall the hard bit come from the creations : magic, new species, boundaries between the normal and the fantastic... But SF might have it even harsher!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 25, 2015, 04:17:41 PM
Thought about all you F-F writers and this thread when I saw this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/the-hour-by0hour-routines-of-historys-most-creative-people/?1234

Apart from Mary Flannery O'Çonnor, of whom I have never heard,  Charles Dickens managed to find a fair bit of time avoiding writing, but still managed huge output so that should make you happy. On the other hand, Voltaire is a bit of a downer  ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, though, apart from Kafka and Murikami, all those authors  created human characters from known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions.  They all had examples to copy and draw from.  All fantasy authors have to start by being God of their own Universe and create everything and fit it correctly together in relation to all the rest.  Even if you copy some RL it still has to fit that which is not in your  own world.  You are incredibly brave to even attempt to begin. All hail, Heroes ;)

Just to be a bit of an annoying prick, I'll put a slight downer on that...
Fantasy writers mostly write about "conventional emotions" (right? Jealousy, envy, love, hate, rivalry, joy, contentment, greed..), and social conditions. A lot of fantasy writers may copy medieval systems for exemple, or modern social conditions. Some might create something quite new, but like for all the rest, we inspire ourselves a lot from what we know, be it to imitate or oppose it.
I think overall the hard bit come from the creations : magic, new species, boundaries between the normal and the fantastic... But SF might have it even harsher!
Um, it seems to me you're agreeing with Lady Ty, Nora?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on April 25, 2015, 04:24:13 PM
No @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) I was trying to oppose and nuance and ... argh!  ;D
I was mainly saying that I don't believe most of those writers had it easier, writing non fantasy. Most of them were still writing fiction, and I'm not sure whether fiction settled in "known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions" is necessarily easier than inventing your own world. World building gives you a freedom that "known worlds" don't have. Besides, rendering existing cities can be harder than making one up, as you need to convey the vibe of it, or make accurate descriptions.
Not trying to down things for us fantasy fiction writers, but it's actually a pretty interesting topic I think, and a worthy debate.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 25, 2015, 04:42:15 PM
No @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) I was trying to oppose and nuance and ... argh!  ;D
I was mainly saying that I don't believe most of those writers had it easier, writing non fantasy. Most of them were still writing fiction, and I'm not sure whether fiction settled in "known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions" is necessarily easier than inventing your own world. World building gives you a freedom that "known worlds" don't have. Besides, rendering existing cities can be harder than making one up, as you need to convey the vibe of it, or make accurate descriptions.
Not trying to down things for us fantasy fiction writers, but it's actually a pretty interesting topic I think, and a worthy debate.
Totally get the point now, and quite persuasive. Listening to a fantasy on recorded book recently I was often struck by how extreme and unrealistic the emotions, reactions, actions, etc. really are. They only make sense (if they do at all) in a Fantasy novel. We go along because the world, the magic and the adventure are so much fun.

Of course, this can be the case with spy novels, romances, etc. The best in each genre delivers on it all: genre fun and completely believable human emotion.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on April 26, 2015, 12:44:09 AM
Thought about all you F-F writers and this thread when I saw this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/the-hour-by0hour-routines-of-historys-most-creative-people/?1234

Apart from Mary Flannery O'Çonnor, of whom I have never heard,  Charles Dickens managed to find a fair bit of time avoiding writing, but still managed huge output so that should make you happy. On the other hand, Voltaire is a bit of a downer  ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, though, apart from Kafka and Murikami, all those authors  created human characters from known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions.  They all had examples to copy and draw from.  All fantasy authors have to start by being God of their own Universe and create everything and fit it correctly together in relation to all the rest.  Even if you copy some RL it still has to fit that which is not in your  own world.  You are incredibly brave to even attempt to begin. All hail, Heroes ;)
Victor Hugo was reputed to have had a rather interesting method of trying to get over writer's block. He supposedly stripped himself naked, gave his clothes to his servant and then locked himself in a room with strict instructions to his servant that he was not to be let out under any circumstance until a certain time frame had passed. Presumably the idea was that he had no other option other than to write, so did. Not sure how much he actually accomplished doing it this way, however.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on April 26, 2015, 01:18:06 AM
Thought about all you F-F writers and this thread when I saw this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/the-hour-by0hour-routines-of-historys-most-creative-people/?1234

Apart from Mary Flannery O'Çonnor, of whom I have never heard,  Charles Dickens managed to find a fair bit of time avoiding writing, but still managed huge output so that should make you happy. On the other hand, Voltaire is a bit of a downer  ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, though, apart from Kafka and Murikami, all those authors  created human characters from known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions.  They all had examples to copy and draw from.  All fantasy authors have to start by being God of their own Universe and create everything and fit it correctly together in relation to all the rest.  Even if you copy some RL it still has to fit that which is not in your  own world.  You are incredibly brave to even attempt to begin. All hail, Heroes ;)
Victor Hugo was reputed to have had a rather interesting method of trying to get over writer's block. He supposedly stripped himself naked, gave his clothes to his servant and then locked himself in a room with strict instructions to his servant that he was not to be let out under any circumstance until a certain time frame had passed. Presumably the idea was that he had no other option other than to write, so did. Not sure how much he actually accomplished doing it this way, however.

I have a hard time buying that... First I studied philosophy and literature in France and never found this mentioned, though my literature teachers was quite full of anecdotes. Then I find no sources in french relating to this, but a very few translation from american articles, and I'll be wanting some better sources than the american web! :p
On the other hand I found this while looking for backup to that story : https://podio.com/site/creative-routines
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on April 26, 2015, 05:06:39 AM
Thought about all you F-F writers and this thread when I saw this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/the-hour-by0hour-routines-of-historys-most-creative-people/?1234

Apart from Mary Flannery O'Çonnor, of whom I have never heard,  Charles Dickens managed to find a fair bit of time avoiding writing, but still managed huge output so that should make you happy. On the other hand, Voltaire is a bit of a downer  ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, though, apart from Kafka and Murikami, all those authors  created human characters from known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions.  They all had examples to copy and draw from.  All fantasy authors have to start by being God of their own Universe and create everything and fit it correctly together in relation to all the rest.  Even if you copy some RL it still has to fit that which is not in your  own world.  You are incredibly brave to even attempt to begin. All hail, Heroes ;)

Just to be a bit of an annoying prick, I'll put a slight downer on that...
Fantasy writers mostly write about "conventional emotions" (right? Jealousy, envy, love, hate, rivalry, joy, contentment, greed..), and social conditions. A lot of fantasy writers may copy medieval systems for exemple, or modern social conditions. Some might create something quite new, but like for all the rest, we inspire ourselves a lot from what we know, be it to imitate or oppose it.
I think overall the hard bit come from the creations : magic, new species, boundaries between the normal and the fantastic... But SF might have it even harsher!
Um, it seems to me you're agreeing with Lady Ty, Nora?

Sometimes this darn time difference is really annoying as I would have liked to reply immediately to your comments, Nora. I love your enthusiasm for discussion and the meticulous care you use in planning your worldbuilding, so please don't take this as criticism, but you have completely misread the intention of my comment.  I should have been more explicit, but when that happens I usually end up writing an essay length comment which I know is a great failing and annoyance. Anyway, here goes, you have been warned.

My post was directly related to the title of the thread- a genuinely serious discussion among writers on avoiding writing.  I have followed and been interested in this but only from the point of view of a reader. I thought the chart posted in the link, (which is the same as the one in your link further on), would be of interest to show how several well-known writers divided their time. Our own F-F writers here could see how wide the variation between writers in the actual time spent per day putting pen-to-paper and/or planning thinking about content as opposed to doing unrelated things.
 
I hoped this would be encouraging as in general terms there sometimes seems to be an implied guilt at “not writing” for a while, or an expectation of “so many hours per day” and even if only imposed sub-consciously those are negative burdens.  It also seems to me that ‘just living’ also gives rise to many ideas and inspiration, so all time contributes. Even sleep time dreams may inspire.

In the same context my next comments related directly to the possibility of the extra time that  fantasy writers may need to spend on world building, cityscapes, singularity of language, diversity of physical attribution, exclusive and unusual applications of “magic”……..and so ad infinitum.

I see or hear of Dickens, Austen, Zola characters around me all the time, but never a garuda or an earth elemental.  Admittedly I had Perdido Street Station, The City and The City and Discworld in mind because they have such huge scope of imagination, but medieval and urban type genres* of  fantasy still require extra time and care with accurate historical detail and the melding in of the fantasy elements to a semi established world.

Nora, you are absolutely right about the conventional emotions being present in fantasy, but when I used the word conventional I  meant in our own recognised understanding of them.  Some alien or invented race may not actually have them all, or they may be expressed or effect them in ways completely different. The examples that spring to mind are certainly SF, the Star Trek Vulcans, Mr Data( both logic) or The Swarm( hive mind duty), but there are fantasy examples I have read and maybe our widely read @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) can help me out here, as I can’t remember.
I have China Mieville’s Embassytown on my TBR and think there may be examples there. All such deviations from norm need long careful thought and would take time. The changing or inventing of emotions would make  a terrific subject for development as it opens up strange and wonderful possibilities.

*Not knowledgeable on so many, often controversial, “genres” of fantasy as I only notice them on library bookshop shelving. Personally classify all books as yuk, good, will read again, love, love, love.

No  I was trying to oppose and nuance and ... argh!  ;D
I was mainly saying that I don't believe most of those writers had it easier, writing non fantasy. Most of them were still writing fiction, and I'm not sure whether fiction settled in "known worlds, familiar cities, conventional emotions and social conditions" is necessarily easier than inventing your own world. World building gives you a freedom that "known worlds" don't have. Besides, rendering existing cities can be harder than making one up, as you need to convey the vibe of it, or make accurate descriptions.
Not trying to down things for us fantasy fiction writers, but it's actually a pretty interesting topic I think, and a worthy debate.

I never intended to imply  that it was easier to write classics non fantasy fiction than fantasy. That would be unbelievably arrogant and presumptuous. Not guilty, m’lud.  I have far too much respect for both.


Edit for that darn affect/effect n/v >:(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on April 26, 2015, 07:58:09 AM
As turns out I've just finished one that probably fits that example, and that's Clive Barker's Imajica. Cat Valente is another one who creates these absolutely incredible worlds, but does it in such detail that they appear very plausible. Tad Williams also creates very detailed and believable worlds. I always remember George Martin's comment when he got requests as how to say things in High Valyrian. 'I'm not like Tolkien. Tolkien created an entire language before he even started writing Lord of the Rings. Me? I've got 8 words.'
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 26, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
And meanwhile, the original intent of the OP (it was mine, by the way) was to give us all a place to vent, whine, moan, complain and make excuses each night for failing to progress on our mutual but separate dreams.

Then we all get to weigh in on it. Over-investment in world building? Avoidance. (I might be talking about you, @Yora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=35236), but then again, you may knock our socks off with an actual story one day  ;). Eighth version of your outline? Avoidance. Had to actually work for a living? Big time avoidance. I mean, really. And there's writing a post in the Avoiding Writing thread. Definitely a case of avoiding writing.  ;D

But, I love how these threads go from thing to thing to thing.

Meanwhile for once I did not avoid writing last and actually got to post something in the how many words did you write today thread. Feeling very slightly, just a wee, well a smidgen good about that.  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on April 26, 2015, 01:08:36 PM
..................Had to actually work for a living? Big time avoidance. I mean, really.

But, I love how these threads go from thing to thing to thing.

 ;D ;D ;D

 - Agreed it is amazing how they all twist and turn and we get so many different ideas and points of view.




Meanwhile for once I did not avoid writing last and actually got to post something in the how many words did you write today thread. Feeling very slightly, just a wee, well a smidgen good about that.  8)

I suppose you expect cake for that?
Well, I found this today and wondered where I could use it, so  here is one celebrating probably your most exciting city and where, as it happens, my YA's and their parents are as of now, possibly even at the top of Miss Liberty.

(http://www.craftsy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/full_1572_73533_NYCCityscape_3.jpg)

This isn't meant to be a totally frivolous thread but I couldn't resist this little beauty, so share some with everyone struggling to write today and I will go away and leave you in peace. 8 ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on April 26, 2015, 11:54:36 PM
Im about to learn whether the recent Godzilla movie is as awful as I've heard. I could be writing, but there's only 2 hrs before Game of Thrones...  :-\
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on April 27, 2015, 03:51:31 AM
Im about to learn whether the recent Godzilla movie is as awful as I've heard. I could be writing, but there's only 2 hrs before Game of Thrones...  :-\

It's worse. So happy GoT wasn't, though.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Rostum on May 20, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
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..................Had to actually work for a living? Big time avoidance. I mean, really.

But, I love how these threads go from thing to thing to thing.

Hmm and there's me task avoiding by thinking of fairy tale themes and plots.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on May 20, 2015, 04:26:50 PM
Yay, today I wrote ZERO words on the story that matters and 900 on a new one that doesn't and isn't even plotted out. So if that inspiration had flowed where due, I would be done with the first story to begin with... *exasperated noise*
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: mesmithcity on May 20, 2015, 05:00:30 PM
I just started my next novel, and I'm assailed by self-doubt and "imposter syndrome".

I do this, every time. I've written an MA dissertation, I write a column for the local paper, I've written (and now published) two novels and a memoir...and every single time I start a new anything, I am convinced I have no idea how to do this, and that everything that came before was a fluke.

Every. Single. Time.

So my answer is: Not a lot, and it's all rubbish anyway.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on May 21, 2015, 01:23:50 PM
I successfully didn't write 1000 words today. Gotta love binge surfing writing forums! :D Tomorrow shall be different...there've been many "tomorrows" in my writing experience.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on May 21, 2015, 08:20:21 PM
Haven't written a thing for two weeks cuz Japan. Catching my flight back in some hours :3
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on May 21, 2015, 08:29:39 PM
I've been learning a lot about vengeance and sailing.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Ryan Mueller on May 21, 2015, 09:59:41 PM
Yesterday, I wrote about 700. Not my best day.

Today, I haven't written any yet.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on May 21, 2015, 11:22:28 PM
I've been learning a lot about vengeance and sailing.
I hope not for your own personal life  ;)

But very intriguing. I have to ask why?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on May 22, 2015, 02:52:16 AM
I've been learning a lot about vengeance and sailing.
I hope not for your own personal life  ;)

But very intriguing. I have to ask why?

Whole family lost to pirate, gotta go make them pay now.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on May 22, 2015, 04:14:08 AM
I've been learning a lot about vengeance and sailing.
I hope not for your own personal life  ;)

But very intriguing. I have to ask why?

Whole family lost to pirate, gotta go make them pay now.
Isn't that The Phantom's origin?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on May 22, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
Research. I want to make the characters sound like they know a lot about sailing without sounding stupid to any readers who actually know about sailing. The average reader probably reads "something something something ship, something something something sail", but even if you don't know what exactly it means (as long as it is not really relevant to understand the scene) it adds a lot to the atmosphere. Thing got a bit more challenging because I'm interested mostly in 2000 year old ship designs, which work very differently from modern racing yachts or four-masters.

Vengence seems to be pretty important to understand when writing about bronze age tribes. Because it actually works very differently then the last survivor of a village swearing to hunt down the dark lord to the end of the world or two families killing each other at random.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on May 23, 2015, 05:19:41 AM
Haven't written a thing for two weeks cuz Japan. Catching my flight back in some hours :3

That was the lamest excuse for ages. Just going on holiday and having a good time isn't good enough. And again that long, long comfortable flight should have given you all the opportunity you needed . :o :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on May 26, 2015, 02:37:52 PM
If writing the Birthday Cycle and the RPG count as part of my 1 Million Words of Shite, then I guess I'm not avoiding writing.

(I think I'm avoiding writing.)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on May 27, 2015, 01:29:35 AM
If writing the Birthday Cycle and the RPG count as part of my 1 Million Words of Shite, then I guess I'm not avoiding writing.

(I think I'm avoiding writing.)
It may not count as writing a novel or a short story, but it's still writing, and almost any sort of writing where you're exercising your mind and your creativity is still helping you hone the skills.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: wakarimasen on May 29, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
I'm hoping verbalising this will kick me in the backside to write. I've got myself into  a corner where I'm writing two stories and editing two. Which means, of course, I haven't done any of it.

Think I need to focus a bit, and turn the telly off. Both will require magi levels of will.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lawsons on May 30, 2015, 05:21:26 PM
Hey. I'm new and this will ne my first post on here. The biggest problem I find is procrastinating when I need to write. That and my laptop being broken means going is slow for the series I started writing (I am pencilling down notes and worldbuilding stuff in my notebook though). I guess this is a good first post to sum me up to everybody.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on May 30, 2015, 05:59:39 PM
Hey. I'm new and this will ne my first post on here. The biggest problem I find is procrastinating when I need to write. That and my laptop being broken means going is slow for the series I started writing (I am pencilling down notes and worldbuilding stuff in my notebook though). I guess this is a good first post to sum me up to everybody.
Welcome to the best thread on the Forum! Here we admit our failings, flog ourselves mercilessly for our failings, and generally look for a little emotional support.   ;) ;D

Glad you found us. Lots going on, and we love new folks.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JRTroughton on May 30, 2015, 06:52:28 PM
Hey. I'm new and this will ne my first post on here. The biggest problem I find is procrastinating when I need to write. That and my laptop being broken means going is slow for the series I started writing (I am pencilling down notes and worldbuilding stuff in my notebook though). I guess this is a good first post to sum me up to everybody.
I'm still new too. Hi!

I am procrastinating now. We have so much in common!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on May 30, 2015, 10:32:00 PM
All aboard the procrastination train! Last stop till who-knows-where!

Also Jmack, I'm really hoping these RPGs count toward my 1mil words of shite.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on May 30, 2015, 11:53:09 PM
All aboard the procrastination train! Last stop till who-knows-where!
Surely it doesn't matter where the last stop is, because we're never going to fucking get there.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on May 30, 2015, 11:58:12 PM
Does writing movie reviews count as writing?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on May 31, 2015, 12:57:13 AM
Does writing movie reviews count as writing?
Well, if the goal is a door stopper fantasy series, not so much  ;D

If it's to continue writing interesting perspectives on whatever strikes you, then sure!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on May 31, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Does writing movie reviews count as writing?
I think it does. You still had to think about it, it's a different sort of writing for sure, but it all helps you to develop and hone your skills.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on May 31, 2015, 03:33:15 PM
Does writing movie reviews count as writing?

If you're practicing concision.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on June 16, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
Now that the second draft is done, I'm like a lost puppy wondering what to do next.  Reading a book through is on the list, as well as...world building?  Character interviews?  Rough blog ideas for when I eventually set up my own author site?  I honestly have not idea.  Maybe a break is what I need.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on June 16, 2015, 01:15:53 PM
Now that the second draft is done, I'm like a lost puppy wondering what to do next.  Reading a book through is on the list, as well as...world building?  Character interviews?  Rough blog ideas for when I eventually set up my own author site?  I honestly have not idea.  Maybe a break is what I need.
Wild and stupid writing by joining in our RPG?  :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on June 16, 2015, 11:53:30 PM
Now that the second draft is done, I'm like a lost puppy wondering what to do next.  Reading a book through is on the list, as well as...world building?  Character interviews?  Rough blog ideas for when I eventually set up my own author site?  I honestly have not idea.  Maybe a break is what I need.
Wild and stupid writing by joining in our RPG?  :D
Now there's an idea. :D  Never in my life have I ever got involved in an RPG.  I don't know the rules, where to fit in, etc.  But so willing to learn if it means joining in the nonsensical whimsy!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on June 17, 2015, 12:05:14 AM
Now that the second draft is done, I'm like a lost puppy wondering what to do next.  Reading a book through is on the list, as well as...world building?  Character interviews?  Rough blog ideas for when I eventually set up my own author site?  I honestly have not idea.  Maybe a break is what I need.
Wild and stupid writing by joining in our RPG?  :D
Now there's an idea. :D  Never in my life have I ever got involved in an RPG.  I don't know the rules, where to fit in, etc.  But so willing to learn if it means joining in the nonsensical whimsy!
the only rule is there are no rules.

well, i guess it's just to read the prior posts enough that you can go with the flow and add... or, change it up entirely because you see a chance for fun!

you're allowed to write about other people's characters as well as your own.

anyway, you might post here that you want to join in...
http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/rpg-fantasy-faction-style/rpg-2015-chit-chat-thread-all-manner-of-discussion-allowed/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/rpg-fantasy-faction-style/rpg-2015-chit-chat-thread-all-manner-of-discussion-allowed/)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: wakarimasen on June 17, 2015, 12:44:54 PM

There was a crack like stone splitting and, from an entirely different thread, a wild eyed monk in a tattered loincloth stumbled through an electronic portal.

"Beware! oh @SugoiMe (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40371) ! The Rpg will take from you all your time to write!"

Waka, the infamously flatulent wielder of the goat sucking staff of Chupacubra, tried to reach through the screen and deliver his dire warning in person. Fortunately for the laws of physics, he failed miserably.

"It is a land wild with the old gods! Wild with goats! Beware I say!"

Suddenly an arm, tattooed with the words "Suddenly is fine...", reached out from the portal and dragged the gibbering fool back into his own thread.  All fell silent.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 17, 2015, 12:52:13 PM
Don't be bad to the poor lady! Either you enter in the beginning or all hell has broken loose and nobody understands where they are anyway...
Next time ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on June 17, 2015, 02:14:28 PM
Ugh, goats.  Nasty things, and I find the loin cloth distasteful.  Though the randomness be intriguing, the bewilderment of the chaotic goat land of...vampires?...sounds like a fine mess deserving of whimsy.  But I am a serious soul, and my distaste for vampires runs strong.  'Tis time to rush to the discussion thread at least.

On topic of the thread, I successfully didn't write or edit today.  Alas, another day of relaxing.  Woe is me!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on July 09, 2015, 01:19:03 PM
I've been so busy that I haven't had time to edit my manuscript!  I've only got two weeks left until I head back to Canada, and saying goodbye/work/moving prep/chaotic life is getting in the way of writing.  Nowadays, I play Bejewelled in my downtime.  Not very productive.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: NightWrite on July 11, 2015, 06:12:27 PM
Dear Holy Typewriter, I confess my sins of not writing for two days ;).

I saw the first post and thought 'typing while avoiding typing, what is this sorcery' but that might have been my lack of caffeine talking. That might have also been why I made a fake confessional to my old typewriter....
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on July 11, 2015, 07:47:56 PM
Dear Holy Typewriter, I confess my sins of not writing for two days ;).

I saw the first post and thought 'typing while avoiding typing, what is this sorcery' but that might have been my lack of caffeine talking. That might have also been why I made a fake confessional to my old typewriter....
And remember, posting on this thread is an excellent way to prolong avoiding writing.  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on July 12, 2015, 01:33:14 AM
Dear Holy Typewriter, I confess my sins of not writing for two days ;).

I saw the first post and thought 'typing while avoiding typing, what is this sorcery' but that might have been my lack of caffeine talking. That might have also been why I made a fake confessional to my old typewriter....
Typewriter? Do you still use a typewriter? Wow. I used to type manuscripts out, but the word processor was an absolute godsend. No need for mucking about with ribbons and white out.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: NightWrite on July 12, 2015, 02:30:04 AM
Dear Holy Typewriter, I confess my sins of not writing for two days ;).

I saw the first post and thought 'typing while avoiding typing, what is this sorcery' but that might have been my lack of caffeine talking. That might have also been why I made a fake confessional to my old typewriter....
Typewriter? Do you still use a typewriter? Wow. I used to type manuscripts out, but the word processor was an absolute godsend. No need for mucking about with ribbons and white out.
I don't use it all that often, but it was my great-grandfather's and my grandmother allowed me to have it when I was in college, around 6 or so years ago. Most of the time it sits in its case in my room, but I do get it out on occasion. Usually it's to type out recipe cards as my handwriting isn't the greatest and I'd like them to be legible for future generations of my family to read. It's fun to use, a bit of a family heirloom, but its loud and I don't think I'd ever use it full time unless something were to happen to my access to power.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: RemadeGold on July 17, 2015, 01:12:22 AM
I wound up forcing myself to do some research reading instead. The book is interesting, but the narrator is...a jerk.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on July 17, 2015, 01:50:26 AM
I wound up forcing myself to do some research reading instead. The book is interesting, but the narrator is...a jerk.
i think that qualifies for avoiding writing  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: RemadeGold on July 17, 2015, 01:55:25 AM
I wound up forcing myself to do some research reading instead. The book is interesting, but the narrator is...a jerk.
i think that qualifies for avoiding writing  ;)

*snicker* Busted, yes. But yes, now I have to be a good girl and go back into Revision Land. 0=)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on July 23, 2015, 07:04:00 PM
Today is sooooo not happening. My MC is waking up from a fugue, and I have no idea where he is or what he does next. I'm not even sure what part of the story he's in. Yrgh.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lor on July 23, 2015, 08:13:18 PM
Too spaced from work this week, it has been an odd one. I'll get caught up this weekend, after the early shift Saturday I'm free to get the words on.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: NightWrite on July 24, 2015, 03:07:33 AM
I had to force myself not to write today. I've been overly knit-picking my current story, and I can't seem to work on any other projects. So I forced myself to take a writing day-off.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on July 24, 2015, 03:22:27 AM
That 500 words a day I wanted to start? Not a chance, though I do have some clearer scenes ready for later down the road.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Paul Birbilas on July 28, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
Haven't written anything since the beginning of July when I banged out 500 words for the monthly writing competition. Work has been mental lately and i'm overstressed with a mountain of paperwork to do. Hopefully this will clear up in the next 2 weeks. I feel so guilty not having written anything this month.  :(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: MeganOKeefe on August 02, 2015, 11:40:17 PM
I finished the draft of my novel on Friday, so I've been taking a break until I go back to address my first revision pass. Feels weird not having any words to put down. I'll probably fiddle with a short story later.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 03, 2015, 10:20:58 AM
We're not writing because we're in IKEA  8)
Title: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 03, 2015, 01:06:37 PM
I didn't write yesterday because I drove 14 hours of butt-aching highway to get home from vacation. Tomorrow... back to the office.


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Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on August 03, 2015, 02:38:10 PM
We're not writing because we're in IKEA  8)

wow!  that's so cool!  i love ikea!  i didn't know they even existed in those weird nordic countries!

p.s.  i'm tooootally kidding.  tho, not about my ikea love -- we have one in san diego too.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 03, 2015, 02:44:14 PM
We're not writing because we're in IKEA  8)

wow!  that's so cool!  i love ikea!  i didn't know they even existed in those weird nordic countries!

p.s.  i'm tooootally kidding.  tho, not about my ikea love -- we have one in san diego too.
lol  :P

It's crazy how common they are worldwide these days. Not really surprising though, they do make quality furniture at reasonable prices.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on August 03, 2015, 02:46:22 PM
All my UK flat is furnished with Ikea :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 03, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
...and we didn't write anything tonight because we worked out the rules to a board game (which will feature in Sora's world) while we were on our way back from IKEA, and we've been writing them out/tweaking them and making a mockup of the board instead. Plus we watched a film. (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)

(http://www.aiuacreative.com/images/stones.gif)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: wakarimasen on August 05, 2015, 04:20:54 PM
was absolutely going to edit a chapter this lunchtime.

so I spent two hours looking up domain names for a business I'll probably never start.

nice one. ???
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 05, 2015, 04:29:44 PM
was absolutely going to edit a chapter this lunchtime.

so I spent two hours looking up domain names for a business I'll probably never start.

nice one. ???

That's the kind of avoidance I love to hear about in this thread!  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 09, 2015, 05:15:17 AM
Does a letter to the post office demanding a refund count?  No?  Well, instead of editing my book, I printed stuff, organized stuff, visited a friend, and researched possible law schools to apply for for next year.  Productive, but not necessarily the creative kind.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on August 10, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
man.  i've discovered a site that's destroying my productivity (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php).  i haven't written any words since my writing contest entry this month.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 11, 2015, 12:12:20 AM
man.  i've discovered a site that's destroying my productivity (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php).  i haven't written any words since my writing contest entry this month.

This! ^
Totally f*ing yes.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ElleW on August 11, 2015, 08:37:52 PM
Is it a bad sign that my first ever post on the forum is one admitting that I've not written jack squat today? Happy to admit, however, that the house cleaning, dog walking and refund wrangling went well, sooo...

I solemnly swear that I'll try to get in a few words before bed. After farting around on the forum some more, of course!

(Does this happen to everyone, or am I just lucky?)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 11, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
Is it a bad sign that my first ever post on the forum is one admitting that I've not written jack squat today? Happy to admit, however, that the house cleaning, dog walking and refund wrangling went well, sooo...

I solemnly swear that I'll try to get in a few words before bed. After farting around on the forum some more, of course!

(Does this happen to everyone, or am I just lucky?)

I can't tell you how happy I am that this is your first post!  ;) ;D

We're all in the same boat, aren't we? And farting aorund on the forum is the perfect way to avoid writing.  :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: MeganOKeefe on August 12, 2015, 01:48:13 AM
Between revisions and flailing around getting ready for Sasquan I've written... nada. Words. What are they again?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on August 14, 2015, 01:05:24 AM
This may help you all concentrate

(http://i1.wp.com/laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/the-isolator.jpg?fit=640%2C539)

Quote
The Isolator is a bizarre helmet invented in 1925 that encourages focus and concentration by rendering the wearer deaf, piping them full of oxygen, and limiting their vision to a tiny horizontal slit. The Isolator was invented by Hugo Gernsback, editor of Science and Invention magazine, member of “The American Physical Society,” and one of the pioneers of science fiction.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Stephen_Stone on August 14, 2015, 01:59:08 AM
Not enough hours in the day it seems.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: wakarimasen on August 17, 2015, 03:19:18 PM
New week! New Chapter! New "business idea"! New lunch hour spent investigating obscure waffle and trying to tweet Ian Livingstone (Fighting Fantasy books anyone?)

Words written: 0
Yet more Domains registered: 1
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on August 17, 2015, 06:08:35 PM
New week! New Chapter! New "business idea"! New lunch hour spent investigating obscure waffle and trying to tweet Ian Livingstone (Fighting Fantasy books anyone?)

Words written: 0
Yet more Domains registered: 1

i'm pretty sure you are my brother from another mother.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 18, 2015, 05:43:37 AM
What a lazy day! Listened to podcasts and...that's pretty much it, actually. Didn't do any editing or critiquing. But I did go for a jog, and I found a lot of my old journal, old rough drafts of unfinished stories and old maps and character profiles from when I started doing my current project eight years ago! Man, was it interesting looking through the beginning stages of my book and characters and seeing how much they've changed. So awesome.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: shadowsherald on August 23, 2015, 09:03:25 PM
I've just finished 4 months of intensive dissertation researching and writing, and I'm struggling to get back into fiction writing...not sure the fact that I feel bound to edit is making it any easier to be honest.

Seem to be finding lots of excuses - like looking for hypothetical book cover art, or website tinkering...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 23, 2015, 09:52:06 PM
I've just finished 4 months of intensive dissertation researching and writing, and I'm struggling to get back into fiction writing...not sure the fact that I feel bound to edit is making it any easier to be honest.

Seem to be finding lots of excuses - like looking for hypothetical book cover art, or website tinkering...

Theoretical book cover art! That is a fabulous excuse for not writing!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: shadowsherald on August 24, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
It's now just a yearning for my editing to be done...I think I've found the perfect cover art:
http://chriscold.deviantart.com/art/Black-Dragon-271175041
It's just cool...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 24, 2015, 08:27:39 PM
It's now just a yearning for my editing to be done...I think I've found the perfect cover art:
http://chriscold.deviantart.com/art/Black-Dragon-271175041
It's just cool...

Very awesome art  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on August 25, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
This may help you all concentrate

(http://i1.wp.com/laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/the-isolator.jpg?fit=640%2C539)

Quote
The Isolator is a bizarre helmet invented in 1925 that encourages focus and concentration by rendering the wearer deaf, piping them full of oxygen, and limiting their vision to a tiny horizontal slit. The Isolator was invented by Hugo Gernsback, editor of Science and Invention magazine, member of “The American Physical Society,” and one of the pioneers of science fiction.

Okay, we totally need to Kickstart The Isolator MKII
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on August 27, 2015, 02:51:12 PM
Nothing written today or yesterday as I'm typing up some handwritten notes for a new project. This simple task is being made difficult by my penmanship, or lack of. You know your handwriting is bad when no matter how hard you stare at the page, or try to draws some context from the rest of the sentence, you still have no idea whatsoever what that one word is.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 27, 2015, 03:44:25 PM
Nothing written today or yesterday as I'm typing up some handwritten notes for a new project. This simple task is being made difficult by my penmanship, or lack of. You know your handwriting is bad when no matter how hard you stare at the page, or try to draws some context from the rest of the sentence, you still have no idea whatsoever what that one word is.

sheepsquatch?  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 27, 2015, 03:51:54 PM
Nothing written today or yesterday as I'm typing up some handwritten notes for a new project. This simple task is being made difficult by my penmanship, or lack of. You know your handwriting is bad when no matter how hard you stare at the page, or try to draws some context from the rest of the sentence, you still have no idea whatsoever what that one word is.
That's like reading my dad's chicken scratch at work. Add in legal terminology and I'm lost.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on August 28, 2015, 02:17:09 AM
Nothing written today or yesterday as I'm typing up some handwritten notes for a new project. This simple task is being made difficult by my penmanship, or lack of. You know your handwriting is bad when no matter how hard you stare at the page, or try to draws some context from the rest of the sentence, you still have no idea whatsoever what that one word is.
I have exactly the same problem in the supermarket ,where my shopping list magically transforms into strange and wonderful non-words which can't possibly be things I need.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on August 28, 2015, 05:06:11 AM
Nothing written today or yesterday as I'm typing up some handwritten notes for a new project. This simple task is being made difficult by my penmanship, or lack of. You know your handwriting is bad when no matter how hard you stare at the page, or try to draws some context from the rest of the sentence, you still have no idea whatsoever what that one word is.
I have exactly the same problem in the supermarket ,where my shopping list magically transforms into strange and wonderful non-words which can't possibly be things I need.
That's why I use an app on the phone for a shopping list. Makes things so much simpler.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 28, 2015, 01:03:39 PM
From On Writing Well by William Zinsser:

Quote
Telling a writer to relax is like telling a man to relax while being examined for a hernia, and as for confidence, see how stiffly he sits, glaring at the screen which awaits his words. See how often he gets up to look for something to eat or drink. A writer will do anything to avoid the act of writing. I can testify from my newspaper days the number of trips to the water cooler per reporter-hour far exceeds the body's need for fluids.

What can be done to put the writer out of these miseries? Unfortunately, no cure has been found. I can only offer the consoling thought that you are not alone.

No words in days.

The number of times I check Fantasy-Faction per writing-hour far exceeds the number of posts actually posted. So I turn to Words With Friends, and when that doesn't work, I finally resort to the desert of Facebook. And, of course, there's cooking shows on TV.

Or reading books on writing.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 28, 2015, 01:09:25 PM
From On Writing Well by William Zinsser:

Quote
Telling a writer to relax is like telling a man to relax while being examined for a hernia, and as for confidence, see how stiffly he sits, glaring at the screen which awaits his words. See how often he gets up to look for something to eat or drink. A writer will do anything to avoid the act of writing. I can testify from my newspaper days the number of trips to the water cooler per reporter-hour far exceeds the body's need for fluids.

What can be done to put the writer out of these miseries? Unfortunately, no cure has been found. I can only offer the consoling thought that you are not alone.
Sounds about right. I find the best antidote is to daydream the scene without even thinking about the words you'll put down, though of course that will only work if you already know roughly what needs to happen... planning ftw.  :P

No words in days.

The number of times I check Fantasy-Faction per writing-hour far exceeds the number of posts actually posted. So I turn to Words With Friends, and when that doesn't work, I finally resort to the desert of Facebook. And, of course, there's cooking shows on TV.

Or reading books on writing.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on August 28, 2015, 09:00:14 PM

... Or reading books on writing.

I resemble that remark.

 ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 29, 2015, 04:24:59 AM
Looking at chapter 6 and thinking, "I have to edit this?  It needs an entire freakin' rewrite!"  And then my day ended just like that.  No writing/editing, no critiquing, a little LSAT studying.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on August 29, 2015, 05:00:10 AM
Looking at chapter 6 and thinking, "I have to edit this?  It needs an entire freakin' rewrite!"  And then my day ended just like that.  No writing/editing, no critiquing, a little LSAT studying.

"What's that? You can do better than a 3-page character introduction? You saying you want to double that in a rewrite to make it totally more awesome?"

"But I need to finish this already 5K chapter that needs another 2K to be decent."

"You also have 2 critiques you need to do."

"And meetings! Don't forget boring policy changes! Study up!"

*stares at monitor*

Yeah, that's been my week. ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 30, 2015, 05:49:17 AM
"What's that? You can do better than a 3-page character introduction? You saying you want to double that in a rewrite to make it totally more awesome?"

"But I need to finish this already 5K chapter that needs another 2K to be decent."

"You also have 2 critiques you need to do."

"And meetings! Don't forget boring policy changes! Study up!"

*stares at monitor*

Yeah, that's been my week. ;D
I do not envy your meetings, but I do sympathize with the critiques you have to do.  LSAT studying is going to take up all my time.

I think the question should be, "Have you created anything today?"  To which I say no.  No, I haven't.  Chapter 6 makes me want to pull my hair out and I haven't even started it yet. :(  And having to study for my test means that I most likely won't get it done for when I have to post it up to be critiqued.

But the good news is that I had pancakes today!  Yay for pancakes!  And lemon squares.  Those are good, too, with a nice hot cup of tea. :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: MeganOKeefe on August 31, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Looking at chapter 6 and thinking, "I have to edit this?  It needs an entire freakin' rewrite!"  And then my day ended just like that.  No writing/editing, no critiquing, a little LSAT studying.

Hah, my chapter 6 is proving to be my sticking point as well. Needs a whole rewrite, but, ugh. *headdesk*
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on September 06, 2015, 05:52:01 PM
Looking at chapter 6 and thinking, "I have to edit this?  It needs an entire freakin' rewrite!"  And then my day ended just like that.  No writing/editing, no critiquing, a little LSAT studying.

Hah, my chapter 6 is proving to be my sticking point as well. Needs a whole rewrite, but, ugh. *headdesk*

Haha!  Must be a Chapter 6 thing.  How's your Chapter 3, though, as that one's evil as well.

I can say that I thought about writing yesterday.  Yes, the thought was there.  But then 10pm came along and sleep seemed much more attractive than using my brain.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: MeganOKeefe on September 14, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Looking at chapter 6 and thinking, "I have to edit this?  It needs an entire freakin' rewrite!"  And then my day ended just like that.  No writing/editing, no critiquing, a little LSAT studying.

Hah, my chapter 6 is proving to be my sticking point as well. Needs a whole rewrite, but, ugh. *headdesk*

Haha!  Must be a Chapter 6 thing.  How's your Chapter 3, though, as that one's evil as well.

I can say that I thought about writing yesterday.  Yes, the thought was there.  But then 10pm came along and sleep seemed much more attractive than using my brain.

Chapter 3 seems pretty solid, but of course I've probably just jinxed it.  :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on September 22, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
I drew circles around multiple choice questions today. How's that for no progress?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on September 22, 2015, 10:43:53 AM
Nothing yesterday. Feeling fatigued and very Mondayish (which is totally a thing).
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on September 22, 2015, 11:29:59 AM
I drew circles around multiple choice questions today. How's that for no progress?

That is classic. That should stickied inside this sticky.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CameronJohnston on September 22, 2015, 12:03:55 PM
I haven't written anything new in weeks :( Been bogged down in editing 3 separate things, 1 of which isn't even mine.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on September 22, 2015, 03:43:44 PM
I haven't written anything new in weeks :( Been bogged down in editing 3 separate things, 1 of which isn't even mine.

two weeks for me.  /sigh

why do people have to be wrong on the internet?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on September 22, 2015, 05:44:39 PM
I haven't written anything new in weeks :( Been bogged down in editing 3 separate things, 1 of which isn't even mine.

two weeks for me.  /sigh

why do people have to be wrong on the internet?

Careful what you wish for.

Imagine desperately needing to procrastinate and not being able to find anyone wrong anywhere on the internet.

*shudder*
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on September 23, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
Nothing yesterday. Reason? Couldn't be arsed.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on September 23, 2015, 10:57:40 PM
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/funny-cat-logic-6__605.jpg)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on September 23, 2015, 10:58:37 PM
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/funny-cat-logic-6__605.jpg)
Yeah the screen is warmer.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on September 24, 2015, 06:53:48 PM
There should be a thread called, "How Many Hours Did You Spend Daydreaming About Your Story Today?" I think I would average 5 hours a day. At least then I would feel productive...

My writing muse has kept me shackled for a while now.  :(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on September 28, 2015, 05:44:41 PM
Yet again, we're way behind where we should be for the writing group. Wish I could just use magic so I wouldn't have to work.

(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/wizard.gif)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on September 28, 2015, 06:25:25 PM
Yet again, we're way behind where we should be for the writing group. Wish I could just use magic so I wouldn't have to work.

(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/wizard.gif)

Now I want to go write an updated version of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, where a blocked writer enchants his typewriter to write on its own.  But I can't see how to fit that into political intrigue... so never mind.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on September 28, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Yet again, we're way behind where we should be for the writing group. Wish I could just use magic so I wouldn't have to work.

(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/wizard.gif)

Now I want to go write an updated version of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, where a blocked writer enchants his typewriter to write on its own.  But I can't see how to fit that into political intrigue... so never mind.
There's always next month!  :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on September 29, 2015, 12:09:06 PM
Yet again, we're way behind where we should be for the writing group. Wish I could just use magic so I wouldn't have to work.

(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/wizard.gif)

Now I want to go write an updated version of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, where a blocked writer enchants his typewriter to write on its own.  But I can't see how to fit that into political intrigue... so never mind.

That is a cracker of a plot,  it has to fit somewhere, don't let it go  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on September 29, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
Yet again, we're way behind where we should be for the writing group. Wish I could just use magic so I wouldn't have to work.

(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/wizard.gif)

Now I want to go write an updated version of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, where a blocked writer enchants his typewriter to write on its own.  But I can't see how to fit that into political intrigue... so never mind.

That is a cracker of a plot,  it has to fit somewhere, don't let it go  ;D

That's what my "_Random_Ideas" file is for.  11k words and counting.  Ideas are cheap.  Making them into stories is hard -- good thing it's also the fun part.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on September 29, 2015, 07:37:11 PM
I have been courting women, unlocking the secrets of society, dancing with gods, and learning to speak a foreign language. Who has time for writing?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on September 29, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
I have been courting women, unlocking the secrets of society, dancing with gods, and learning to speak a foreign language. Who has time for writing?

Which language? (Because of all those things, that is what caught my interest most...)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on September 29, 2015, 08:32:35 PM
I have been courting women, unlocking the secrets of society, dancing with gods, and learning to speak a foreign language. Who has time for writing?

Which language? (Because of all those things, that is what caught my interest most...)

There you have it.  Your next book should involve no courting of women, no secrets of society, no god-dancing, but lots of someone learning to speak a foreign language.

(Fighting sudden urge to design YA books that slowly introduce a real foreign language to trick kids into learning stuff.)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on September 29, 2015, 09:10:04 PM
I have been courting women, unlocking the secrets of society, dancing with gods, and learning to speak a foreign language. Who has time for writing?
Ooooh I want to know how :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on September 29, 2015, 11:41:16 PM
Which language? (Because of all those things, that is what caught my interest most...)

Spanish. Always fucking Spanish.

There you have it.  Your next book should involve no courting of women, no secrets of society, no god-dancing, but lots of someone learning to speak a foreign language.

(Fighting sudden urge to design YA books that slowly introduce a real foreign language to trick kids into learning stuff.)

I have actually tried the "learn a foreign language" as a plot point. Not as easy as you would think lol. But if the YA shtick helps a kid learn, I'm all for it. Throwing it into fiction and practicality might've given me more interest at a younger age, yeah.

Ooooh I want to know how :D

Do you really want to know? Because I can waffle on about nothing in particular. ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on September 30, 2015, 01:17:37 AM
I have been courting women, unlocking the secrets of society, dancing with gods, and learning to speak a foreign language. Who has time for writing?

Which language? (Because of all those things, that is what caught my interest most...)

There you have it.  Your next book should involve no courting of women, no secrets of society, no god-dancing, but lots of someone learning to speak a foreign language.

(Fighting sudden urge to design YA books that slowly introduce a real foreign language to trick kids into learning stuff.)

That sounds like an amazing idea. Give in to the urge!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on September 30, 2015, 02:20:00 AM
I have been courting women, unlocking the secrets of society, dancing with gods, and learning to speak a foreign language. Who has time for writing?

Which language? (Because of all those things, that is what caught my interest most...)

There you have it.  Your next book should involve no courting of women, no secrets of society, no god-dancing, but lots of someone learning to speak a foreign language.

(Fighting sudden urge to design YA books that slowly introduce a real foreign language to trick kids into learning stuff.)

That sounds like an amazing idea. Give in to the urge!

If I gave into all my urges to write things, I'd write plenty of words, but never finish anything.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on September 30, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
Ooooh I want to know how :D

Do you really want to know? Because I can waffle on about nothing in particular. ;)
It's not 'nothing in particular', it's how to court women, unlock the secrets of society and dance with gods :D
You can explain over skype though, one day/night when we're both around at the same time hehe
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on September 30, 2015, 11:17:59 AM
Ooooh I want to know how :D

Do you really want to know? Because I can waffle on about nothing in particular. ;)
It's not 'nothing in particular', it's how to court women, unlock the secrets of society and dance with gods :D
You can explain over skype though, one day/night when we're both around at the same time hehe
Meanwhile, I want to know how to dance with women and court the gods.  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on September 30, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Ooooh I want to know how :D

Do you really want to know? Because I can waffle on about nothing in particular. ;)
It's not 'nothing in particular', it's how to court women, unlock the secrets of society and dance with gods :D
You can explain over skype though, one day/night when we're both around at the same time hehe
Meanwhile, I want to know how to dance with women and court the gods.  ;D

heck, i'd pay good money to watch chill teach you...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Doctor_Chill on September 30, 2015, 04:29:26 PM
It's not 'nothing in particular', it's how to court women, unlock the secrets of society and dance with gods :D
You can explain over skype though, one day/night when we're both around at the same time hehe
just
I would say this weekend, but you're running off so that's out of the question.  ;) Might ping you /my/ tonight so you can read the stuff later. It's nothing amazing, just long and maybe mildly interesting.

Meanwhile, I want to know how to dance with women and court the gods.  ;D

heck, i'd pay good money to watch chill teach you...

Base rate of $100 an hour, chumps.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on September 30, 2015, 04:32:54 PM
Yet again, we're way behind where we should be for the writing group. Wish I could just use magic so I wouldn't have to work.

(http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/rpg/wizard.gif)

Now I want to go write an updated version of the Sorcerer's Apprentice, where a blocked writer enchants his typewriter to write on its own.  But I can't see how to fit that into political intrigue... so never mind.

That is a cracker of a plot,  it has to fit somewhere, don't let it go  ;D

And... pity the poor science fiction writer of today.   We're living in the future.

It's already happened.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/05/20/406484294/an-npr-reporter-raced-a-machine-to-write-a-news-story-who-won (http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/05/20/406484294/an-npr-reporter-raced-a-machine-to-write-a-news-story-who-won)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on October 01, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
UC has flared up so have been too fatigued to write anything this week. Meh.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 01, 2015, 11:19:42 AM
UC has flared up so have been too fatigued to write anything this week. Meh.

UC?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on October 01, 2015, 02:39:37 PM
UC has flared up so have been too fatigued to write anything this week. Meh.

UC?

Ulcerative Colitis.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 01, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
UC has flared up so have been too fatigued to write anything this week. Meh.

UC?

Ulcerative Colitis.

Yikes, what a pain.   ;)
But seriously, yikes.
Hopes for better.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on October 01, 2015, 03:03:35 PM
Yes, I hope you do get better DDRRead!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: DDRRead on October 01, 2015, 03:40:55 PM
Yikes, what a pain.   ;)
But seriously, yikes.
Hopes for better.

As I say it's a shitty, shitty disease.  ;D

Less flared today so hopefully fatigue will lessen in next few days.

Thanks for well wishing Jmack and ScarletBea
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on October 05, 2015, 08:07:11 AM
I haz legitimate excuse.

(http://jpg-1.com/media/2015-9-29/aYjGssFv58.jpg)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 05, 2015, 10:21:34 AM
I haz legitimate excuse.

(http://jpg-1.com/media/2015-9-29/aYjGssFv58.jpg)

This could actually be you and not an internet meme.
Please tell me it's actually you or Saurus.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on October 05, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
Gosh, my work blocked the image (or any image, actually) under the porn category :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on October 05, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
I haz legitimate excuse.

(http://jpg-1.com/media/2015-9-29/aYjGssFv58.jpg)

This could actually be you and not an internet meme.
Please tell me it's actually you or Saurus.
Sadly no, our kittens are all grown up.  :'(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on October 05, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
*seeing pic now*
cat porn? why was it blocked?
Then again, I also can't see the Book Battle table at work, hehe
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 05, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
*seeing pic now*
cat porn? why was it blocked?
Then again, I also can't see the Book Battle table at work, hehe

kittie porn
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on October 05, 2015, 06:55:41 PM
Gosh, my work blocked the image (or any image, actually) under the porn category :o

 ;D That is fantastic.

My work shows FF as a "Video Blog." It only allows me 60 minutes a day to view. Ugh.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 07, 2015, 10:38:06 PM
I have no excuse other than 'not in the writing mood'. How do people shake themselves out of that?

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on October 08, 2015, 12:31:55 AM
I have no excuse other than 'not in the writing mood'. How do people shake themselves out of that?

Sit down and write anyway. If you know where your plot is going, then force yourself. If you don't, maybe force yourself to work an outline?

Look at what that gives me :

On the politics month I was so little inspired to write my story, I did some plotting through my notes to clarify things :
(http://i.imgur.com/JYftDUU.jpg)

And then that's an entire double page of abandoned text and ideas from this month... And yet I'm wrapping it up.

(http://i.imgur.com/rpDGeHK.jpg)

But in the end forcing yourself to write isn't pleasant. At least the more you do it, the more you manage to force yourself to be in a mood.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 08, 2015, 12:50:38 AM
Yea I've been getting a lot better, I tend to work in bursts I've noticed. One day I'll bash out 1500+ words easily, the next day significantly less. 2600 words in a day is my top daily score so far. Done about 300 today.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on October 08, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), I always love seeing your notebooks :D
Is that a smiley person?

(and I'm always surprised at how HUGE your handwriting is  ;) )
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: wakarimasen on October 08, 2015, 01:58:03 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237) my handwriting is different, but apart from that our notebooks are scarily alike. I love the brackets, mine are full of arrows where I move sentences about as well...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on October 08, 2015, 02:00:50 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), I always love seeing your notebooks :D
Is that a smiley person?

(and I'm always surprised at how HUGE your handwriting is  ;) )

Aaaww!! While I love the compliment, I feel like defending my hand writing!  :P
Yes it was rather large on that sample of the double page, but looking at this, would you say it is huge?

(http://i.imgur.com/S0izUV8.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/atDElK5.jpg)

I usually write large with my ink pen, but I never figured I had a massive hand.

@wakarimasen (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40242) : yeah! Welcome to the club!! and do you do the ** to refer to a later thing, and insert words with a < ? I use arrows all the time and yes, brackets to put stuff "to the side".
It's great, and no software can replace your own natural note system...  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 08, 2015, 02:44:46 PM
My problem is that my fingers start to ache within minutes of trying to write notes by hand. Typing takes hours before I have to stop. But I totally get the freedom of using pen & paper. At work, I constantly scrawl all over white boards and then summarize and structure into a doc.

If I had the space, I'd put a huge whiteboard in my library/office room at home to do my initial thinking in analog.  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on October 08, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
My problem is that my fingers start to ache within minutes of trying to write notes by hand. Typing takes hours before I have to stop. But I totally get the freedom of using pen & paper. At work, I constantly scrawl all over white boards and then summarize and structure into a doc.

If I had the space, I'd put a huge whiteboard in my library/office room at home to do my initial thinking in analog.  8)

What's stopping you from getting a 1x1m board and colour pens and having fun with it from your chair?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 08, 2015, 02:49:44 PM
My problem is that my fingers start to ache within minutes of trying to write notes by hand. Typing takes hours before I have to stop. But I totally get the freedom of using pen & paper. At work, I constantly scrawl all over white boards and then summarize and structure into a doc.

If I had the space, I'd put a huge whiteboard in my library/office room at home to do my initial thinking in analog.  8)

What's stopping you from getting a 1x1m board and colour pens and having fun with it from your chair?

That's, um, kind of a cool idea.  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on October 08, 2015, 02:57:09 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), I always love seeing your notebooks :D
Is that a smiley person?

(and I'm always surprised at how HUGE your handwriting is  ;) )

Aaaww!! While I love the compliment, I feel like defending my hand writing!  :P
Yes it was rather large on that sample of the double page, but looking at this, would you say it is huge?

(http://i.imgur.com/S0izUV8.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/atDElK5.jpg)

I usually write large with my ink pen, but I never figured I had a massive hand.

hehe remember this post, and the 'notebook for ants' gif?
http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/writers-corner/paper-pad-or-pc/msg100631/#msg100631 (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/writers-corner/paper-pad-or-pc/msg100631/#msg100631)
I think everyone will look huge compared to me ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on October 08, 2015, 03:03:00 PM
@Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237), I always love seeing your notebooks :D
Is that a smiley person?

(and I'm always surprised at how HUGE your handwriting is  ;) )

Aaaww!! While I love the compliment, I feel like defending my hand writing!  :P
Yes it was rather large on that sample of the double page, but looking at this, would you say it is huge?

(http://i.imgur.com/S0izUV8.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/atDElK5.jpg)

I usually write large with my ink pen, but I never figured I had a massive hand.

hehe remember this post, and the 'notebook for ants' gif?
http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/writers-corner/paper-pad-or-pc/msg100631/#msg100631 (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/writers-corner/paper-pad-or-pc/msg100631/#msg100631)
I think everyone will look huge compared to me ;)

Hahaha!! True! I had forgotten about that!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 08, 2015, 07:46:50 PM
I'm quoting Matt Haig's writing advice via twitter:

WRITING TIPS:
1. Stare at blank screen.
2. Tweet.
3. Have an argument.
4. Get headache.
5. Stare at blank screen.
6. Tweet.

 8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on October 08, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
I'm quoting Matt Haig's writing advice via twitter:

WRITING TIPS:
1. Stare at blank screen.
2. Tweet.
3. Have an argument.
4. Get headache.
5. Stare at blank screen.
6. Tweet.

 8)

it's like you're standing over my shoulder.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 08, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
I'm editing a so-far-20,000-word story now, that totally counts as writing...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on October 09, 2015, 02:46:25 AM
I'm quoting Matt Haig's writing advice via twitter:

WRITING TIPS:
1. Stare at blank screen.
2. Tweet.
3. Have an argument.
4. Get headache.
5. Stare at blank screen.
6. Tweet.

 8)

Well, that's 280 characters of writing.

Has anyone tried episodic fiction 140 characters at a time?  (140 ASCII characters, not 140 PoVs...)

And google tells me of twitter fiction.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 09, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
I'm quoting Matt Haig's writing advice via twitter:

WRITING TIPS:
1. Stare at blank screen.
2. Tweet.
3. Have an argument.
4. Get headache.
5. Stare at blank screen.
6. Tweet.

 8)

Well, that's 280 characters of writing.

Has anyone tried episodic fiction 140 characters at a time?  (140 ASCII characters, not 140 PoVs...)

And google tells me of twitter fiction.
David Mitchell (the writer, not comedian) has been doing this recently, by telling a story of a character in his new book Slade House, who has been tweeting very creepy and strange things over a period of time.

It was quite hard to follow what was going on though, the character seemed obsessed/stalking a woman who clearly wasn't interested, also sort of a hacker it seems? No idea what's going on now with it.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Elfy on October 10, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
I'm quoting Matt Haig's writing advice via twitter:

WRITING TIPS:
1. Stare at blank screen.
2. Tweet.
3. Have an argument.
4. Get headache.
5. Stare at blank screen.
6. Tweet.

 8)

Well, that's 280 characters of writing.

Has anyone tried episodic fiction 140 characters at a time?  (140 ASCII characters, not 140 PoVs...)

And google tells me of twitter fiction.
David Mitchell (the writer, not comedian) has been doing this recently, by telling a story of a character in his new book Slade House, who has been tweeting very creepy and strange things over a period of time.

It was quite hard to follow what was going on though, the character seemed obsessed/stalking a woman who clearly wasn't interested, also sort of a hacker it seems? No idea what's going on now with it.
It's not SFF at all, but it's sort of on topic with the last part of that post. Two of the guys from Not the Nine O'Clock News, Griff Rhys-Jones and Mel Smith used to do this comedy show called Alas Smith and Jones. They did one sketch where Mel walks up to this girl at a party who is totally out of his league and he opens with 'Hi, I'm Mel, and you are?'
'Eating crisps,' comes the caustic and completely disinterested reply.
Undeterred Mel ploughs on, 'So, what are you doing afterwards?'
'Picking my teeth.'
He had crashed and burned. Very funny, though.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 14, 2015, 12:04:19 AM
Wrote about 300 words, didn't like it, deleted it.

Daily count: 0

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on October 14, 2015, 12:16:09 AM
Negative many words.

Editing today.  My novel keeps getting smaller.   And I've just gotten to the bit where two-thirds of a chapter is doing entirely the wrong job and needs to go, despite how much I like parts of it.   :-\   And I *really* like the last bit.   :'(

(I thought I was writing the everyone-meets-up-and-the-cast-expands scene, when really I need a look-how-much-better-those-other-people-are and the-Protagonists-aren't-doing-nearly-as-well-as-they-thought crisis scene.  Totally different.)

We need a thread for "How many words did you cut out today?"
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 14, 2015, 01:06:41 AM
Mos def.

It's so hard killing something you like, although the small bit I did today had a good bit of prose on a character's background that now doesn't exist on the page which I'll have to squeeze in somewhere else, the scene just was kind of boring, and if I'm bored writing it, no one is going to want to read it.
 
But hey if cutting a chapter makes your story slimmer and tighter no matter how good it may be its more effective left aside, despite what Tarantino might think with his films, or David Mitchell with his books.

I agree though there should be an editing thread. :)

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on October 14, 2015, 04:58:06 AM
Well, decided to get some critiquing done instead of tending to my own work.  I was in such a great writing mood last night that I lost sleep over it.  Tonight, it'll be reading books to try and get that inspiration back.  But I'll probably just go to bed 'cause I need sleep.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on October 17, 2015, 06:47:00 AM
Wrote zero words, ever since I wrote 3 double pages of notes and idea on my main body of projects. Been learning while reading since.
A form of disguised work I guess...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Matamelcan on October 18, 2015, 04:34:29 AM
I've cut characters, entire chapters, rewrote my entire novel twice, etc

Half the time, the cuts weren't even conscious!  I just cut them because it didn't fit with my rewrite.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 18, 2015, 04:03:50 PM
Writing's hard.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on October 18, 2015, 04:07:40 PM
Writing's hard.

yes.  yes it is.

motivation to write is hard.  why would you write when you can spend your writing hours fiddling with imagemagick to auto-build book covers and composite their titles starting from arbitrarily sized images.

/sigh
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on October 18, 2015, 04:19:02 PM
Writing's hard.

yes.  yes it is.

motivation to write is hard.  why would you write when you can spend your writing hours fiddling with imagemagick to auto-build book covers and composite their titles starting from arbitrarily sized images.

/sigh
That sounds way too much like being productive. (http://www.zsoc.com/images/smilies/zsoc/serious.gif)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on October 18, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
Writing's hard.

yes.  yes it is.

motivation to write is hard.  why would you write when you can spend your writing hours fiddling with imagemagick to auto-build book covers and composite their titles starting from arbitrarily sized images.

/sigh
That sounds way too much like being productive. (http://www.zsoc.com/images/smilies/zsoc/serious.gif)

if only it was on a todo list somewhere.  i keep looking, but it's not.

er...  it wasn't.

maybe i'll add it somewhere, then cross it off.  you know.  just to make myself feel better about all that non-writing, non-critiquing time that's now gone.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on October 18, 2015, 04:25:56 PM
Writing's hard.

yes.  yes it is.

motivation to write is hard.  why would you write when you can spend your writing hours fiddling with imagemagick to auto-build book covers and composite their titles starting from arbitrarily sized images.

/sigh
That sounds way too much like being productive. (http://www.zsoc.com/images/smilies/zsoc/serious.gif)

if only it was on a todo list somewhere.  i keep looking, but it's not.

er...  it wasn't.

maybe i'll add it somewhere, then cross it off.  you know.  just to make myself feel better about all that non-writing, non-critiquing time that's now gone.
Sounds like a great idea. Think I'll sign up for a to-do list service, create a list, add "play games" and "browse goodreads recommendations" as tasks for today, then tick them off and feel good about my productive afternoon.  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 18, 2015, 04:28:45 PM
I'm listening to people talking about writing instead of writing as I'm frustrated with what I'm writing and my consistency with it.

It's a good way to feel like you're still in the writing 'mode' without actually doing any.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on October 23, 2015, 05:57:30 AM
First there was work, then there was an interview for a volunteer organization, then there was driving younger brothers to and from their activities, then there was working on applications for university, then there was picking up my brother from work, and...I'm exhausted.  Time for an early bedtime.  No writing tonight.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 23, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
First there was work, then there was an interview for a volunteer organization, then there was driving younger brothers to and from their activities, then there was working on applications for university, then there was picking up my brother from work, and...I'm exhausted.  Time for an early bedtime.  No writing tonight.
Sounds like fun working as a taxi. :-\

I hope your younger brother's pay you. :P
Title: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on October 23, 2015, 01:14:20 PM
I "ground" the garage floor cement so it would accept paint. And dropped and shattered my iPhone (which required getting the new I6s I'm writing this on). And paid for car repairs. And tried to do work work via Vpn, which didn't want to cooperate.

And wished I was writing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on October 25, 2015, 08:14:55 PM
The muse has left me. It's not just writers block. Today I can't even remember what inspired me to even want to write in the first place. I remember all the things I want to include, but I have a complete lack of inspiration. There is no magic or excitement to any of it.
Probably be gone by tomorrow and I'll be back on track, but I hate these days.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on October 30, 2015, 02:18:51 AM
Zero words.

I don't want to write much the next couple of days before NaNoWriMo...

But I had hoped to do a bit of outlining and character sketching of a couple of concepts to see which one I might want to write next month.  Grumble, grumble.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on October 30, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
The muse has left me. It's not just writers block. Today I can't even remember what inspired me to even want to write in the first place. I remember all the things I want to include, but I have a complete lack of inspiration. There is no magic or excitement to any of it.
Probably be gone by tomorrow and I'll be back on track, but I hate these days.

What about letting things rest for a day or so, and get to browse youtube to discover some new music, or pawn through a little book/comic/manga? It sounds like a bit of stress, but don't worry, of course your muse hasn't left you! But we all need breaks once in a while.


Wrote zilch today, 10h off my feet at work. I'm fried. I'm at LAST starting a week off. My first week off in 7 months. Most weeks I don't even have my two days off in a row, so I'm almost crying with joy at this little patch of peace. I'll have so much time to read and write and bushwalk!   8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on October 31, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Was visiting my friend so I have written nothing for a week!

But I'm not worried as I know I can just sit down and pick off where I was again. I am deciding to take this as a good thing and thus was worth it to not write anything for a while.

See I can turn anything good. ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SarahW on November 01, 2015, 07:57:53 AM
Well I didn't write 1,000 words a day like I was doing for my first, second, and third books. I've barely even been managing 500 words latelly. Though I do that occassionally. Usually 376 words.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on November 05, 2015, 10:06:15 PM
Buhuhu... I've got the worst kind of writers block. I really want to write something and I have a lot of good ideas, but those are all way too difficult for someone of my pretty much nonexistant skill. And I am not getting anywhere closer to being good enough to attempt them because I have nothing to practice on.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ClintACK on November 05, 2015, 10:30:08 PM
Buhuhu... I've got the worst kind of writers block. I really want to write something and I have a lot of good ideas, but those are all way too difficult for someone of my pretty much nonexistant skill. And I am not getting anywhere closer to being good enough to attempt them because I have nothing to practice on.

So set aside a month... say November... and give yourself permission to write one of them poorly.  You'll write something good next month.  Or in revisions.  This month, just write.

It's not like weightlifting.  You're not going to sprain your muse by trying something too hard -- and you might be better than you think.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on November 05, 2015, 10:48:37 PM
I actually have one not too good idea. The Monthly Writing Contest topic looks great, but when I tried writing an entry a year back, I quickly noticed that I can't get anywhere near the word limit even with my most compact and simple ideas.
The characters were anonymous and the location had no backstory because of this and it was really a single scene with no dialogue. The revelation at the end is nothing particularly original and easily something that csn be recycled in different contexts. My creative ideas were all about setting the scene and doing the buildup. I don't have any of my old notes, but if I do it without any upper word limit this seems a great opportunity to just try and see how it turns out.
Writing elaborate stand alone scenes should be good practice and doesnt have me butchering my precious character development arcs.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on November 05, 2015, 11:55:36 PM
I actually have one not too good idea. The Monthly Writing Contest topic looks great, but when I tried writing an entry a year back, I quickly noticed that I can't get anywhere near the word limit even with my most compact and simple ideas.
The characters were anonymous and the location had no backstory because of this and it was really a single scene with no dialogue. The revelation at the end is nothing particularly original and easily something that csn be recycled in different contexts. My creative ideas were all about setting the scene and doing the buildup. I don't have any of my old notes, but if I do it without any upper word limit this seems a great opportunity to just try and see how it turns out.
Writing elaborate stand alone scenes should be good practice and doesnt have me butchering my precious character development arcs.

Just go for it, Yora. You have some awesome ideas, and I'd love to see them in story form sometime.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Matamelcan on November 06, 2015, 07:07:32 AM
I avoided writing... *drumroll*
ALL OF THEM.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on November 06, 2015, 01:43:30 PM
I avoided writing... *drumroll*
ALL OF THEM.

Now THAT'S what I call avoiding!  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on November 14, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
Still can't decide if worldbuilding counts as writing. I'm inclined to think it doesn't, but then again it does involve putting down words on paper...  :-\

We've written a few thousand words in the last couple of days, all exploring our magic system. We managed to distil the vague and semi-cohesive ideas/abilities we had already planned down to a single six-word sentence - our magic has a log-line  ;D - one which includes the words "magic", "is", and "of".  :P We've now got thousands of words expanding that one concept's capabilities, limitations, and applications, and we've got dozens of physics articles to mine for more ideas.

And that's just for working out the way the magic really works - we then have to work out what the characters know about magic, what their knowledge allows them to do, and what paths of discovery they're going to take.  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on November 14, 2015, 08:18:31 PM
That's amazing, @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), i need to do a better job at worldbuilding, and i didn't even created or had any idea about any kind of magic at all in my story so far.

If you are worried about the story, you could set some time to try to write at least 1 page (250 words) per day/week of some characters doing something, some kind of situation with the possibilities and limitations of the world. With action or not, dialogue or narrative.
At the same time you continue your worldbuilding.

Maybe this could help you see how it would work out when writing it, what aspects make the story move or interesting, on what to expand and what not.

With so much research, it feels that if you wait too much to start writing a bit of story, you might feel encumbered.

 
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on November 14, 2015, 09:18:22 PM
Still can't decide if worldbuilding counts as writing. I'm inclined to think it doesn't, but then again it does involve putting down words on paper...  :-\

We've written a few thousand words in the last couple of days, all exploring our magic system. We managed to distil the vague and semi-cohesive ideas/abilities we had already planned down to a single six-word sentence - our magic has a log-line  ;D - one which includes the words "magic", "is", and "of".  :P We've now got thousands of words expanding that one concept's capabilities, limitations, and applications, and we've got dozens of physics articles to mine for more ideas.

And that's just for working out the way the magic really works - we then have to work out what the characters know about magic, what their knowledge allows them to do, and what paths of discovery they're going to take.  :o
I'd say that definitely counts, it's all part of constructing your story, so you shouldn't feel as if it's avoiding or wasting time. :D

Unless that's 'all' you do after a while, then it can become avoiding. :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on November 14, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
That's amazing, @Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840), i need to do a better job at worldbuilding, and i didn't even created or had any idea about any kind of magic at all in my story so far.

If you are worried about the story, you could set some time to try to write at least 1 page (250 words) per day/week of some characters doing something, some kind of situation with the possibilities and limitations of the world. With action or not, dialogue or narrative.
At the same time you continue your worldbuilding.

Maybe this could help you see how it would work out when writing it, what aspects make the story move or interesting, on what to expand and what not.

With so much research, it feels that if you wait too much to start writing a bit of story, you might feel encumbered.
It's great fun actually, all you really need to do is come up with one central idea and work out how that'll affect everything else. Guess it depends what kind of writer you are though, some people seem to find that planning anything just sucks the fun out of it for them.  :o

Yeah good idea to keep writing bits and pieces, we'll definitely do that. One of the main plot threads is the character learning magic so that'll have to wait, but there are other bits and pieces that we could probably get on with, and some of those would definitely help us work out what we need the magic to do. :)

We've already written roughly the first tenth or so of the story, plus a few random scenes here and there throughout the rest of the novel, so waiting shouldn't be a problem if we can keep the story in mind I think!

I'd say that definitely counts, it's all part of constructing your story, so you shouldn't feel as if it's avoiding or wasting time. :D

Unless that's 'all' you do after a while, then it can become avoiding. :P
Haha yeah, I talked to a guy a while ago who had been building his world for fifteen years and still hadn't finished writing a single narrative story - instead he's been making maps, writing backstories, basically making an encyclopoedia for his world. It's an interesting world, and the level of detail is staggering, but it's a shame that he probably won't be able to share it with anyone else for a long time, since people care about the stories before they care about the world.  :-\
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on November 23, 2015, 04:25:44 PM
instead of writing, i, of course, decided to stop and screenshot my current writing environment.  because it's important to set the mood when starting a new chapter.  especially when it's a moody and evil one.

right?!

this song:
[youtube]0tnrhX55mzI[/youtube]

this is the look of my current editor:
(http://steelanvilstudios.com/static/images/rainn/evil-eleven.png)

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on November 23, 2015, 04:44:47 PM
instead of writing, i, of course, decided to stop and screenshot my current writing environment.  because it's important to set the mood when starting a new chapter.  especially when it's a moody and evil one.

right?!


Oh. Yeah.
It's important to screenshot the current environment and share it with others.
Because that's as important as setting up the environment.

 :P ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on November 29, 2015, 04:22:29 PM
Trying to get writing.
Being distracted every second.
And Mrs. JMack put on Christmas music.

But I found this fragment I wrote a few months ago:
Quote
"Remind me why I shouldn't just open my hand and let you fall?" Mariella's grip on my wrist was as solid and secure as iron, but the steel in her eyes was downright terrifying.

I tried for humor. "Because I'd be crushed when I hit the street?" Well, what passed for humor between my sister and me.

"That would be the idea," she said.

"Because you'd miss me?" I tried.

Mariella shrugged. I don't know how she shrugged while lying on a rooftop, her feet jammed under a strut to hold her in place, and one arm extended down, holding me as I twisted slowly in the breeze over a thousand foot drop. But she managed it.

"No," she said. And opened her hand.

I'd always hated my sister.

Images of my unhappy childhood began to spiral through my brain when something snagged the collar of my coat and I was dangling again. I found my myself looking directly at a huge, wart-covered nose the size of an old-fashioned manhole cover. I twisted my neck and saw one big eye on either side of the nose.

"Caught you," grunted Dog.


Ah, but I have no idea what that's all about.
So I'm going to go back to one of the many WIPs.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on November 29, 2015, 04:28:21 PM
Trying to get writing.
Being distracted every second.
And Mrs. JMack put on Christmas music.

i feel your pain.  going on two hours now.  my time is slipping away.

i changed it up to listening to some hound dog taylor.

here we go.

for reals.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Autumn2May on November 29, 2015, 10:36:23 PM
Today I played Minecraft instead of editing book two. But I did send book one out to beta readers, so yay? Also I'm going to do a bit of editing later tonight, after the kids are in bed. :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SarahW on December 02, 2015, 03:25:11 AM
I wrote no words today because I revised 17,000 of them.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on December 02, 2015, 12:01:13 PM
I wrote no words today because I revised 17,000 of them.

Not 16,987?  ;)

But, good on you. That's what I call revision!  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on December 05, 2015, 05:57:04 PM
you guys:
    gee, chris.  what did you do today instead of write?

me:
    duh!  wrote a silly amazon author profit estimator bookmarklet thing!
    https://github.com/m3mnoch/sales-rank-estimator

you guys:
    what?

/sigh

for REAL -- i'm now going to write this stupid fight scene.  in my hour of free time i have left...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Yora on December 12, 2015, 11:37:50 PM
I've went back to the drawing board and thinking about my life choices. I think I've approached all the discarded outlines for planned stories completely wrong. Even an action adventure story can not stand on just exploring a strange place and fighting a resident monster. Especially action adventures. To be a cool badass, a character needs other characters to stand above them. None of my outlines really had characters competing or trying to outsmart each other, and that's why they all sucked.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on December 13, 2015, 07:46:39 AM
I'm in the hospital and don't have any of my WIPs here...
I know. Bad excuse.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on December 13, 2015, 07:51:28 AM
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Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on December 13, 2015, 02:44:46 PM
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You can't delete words you didn't wrote!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on December 15, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
I'm in the hospital and don't have any of my WIPs here...
I know. Bad excuse.

Are you okay???
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on December 15, 2015, 06:21:51 PM
I'm in the hospital and don't have any of my WIPs here...
I know. Bad excuse.

That's right. Get a handle on yourself!  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CryptofCthulhu on January 12, 2016, 11:41:44 AM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 12, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.

I know the feeling. I'm trying to get started on something beyond the monthly story contest here and finding it hard.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CryptofCthulhu on January 12, 2016, 01:19:52 PM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.

I know the feeling. I'm trying to get started on something beyond the monthly story contest here and finding it hard.

I have all the material between the ears, so I'm not at a loss for what to write, it's just the matter of sitting down and committing time to just bang it out.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 12, 2016, 01:33:28 PM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.

I know the feeling. I'm trying to get started on something beyond the monthly story contest here and finding it hard.

I have all the material between the ears, so I'm not at a loss for what to write, it's just the matter of sitting down and committing time to just bang it out.

My sister-in-law (and fellow aspiring writer) had this advice from an agent who read her full novel draft before sending her back to the drawing board: "Write something for your novel every single day, even if it's a single word."
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CryptofCthulhu on January 12, 2016, 01:42:18 PM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.

I know the feeling. I'm trying to get started on something beyond the monthly story contest here and finding it hard.

I have all the material between the ears, so I'm not at a loss for what to write, it's just the matter of sitting down and committing time to just bang it out.

My sister-in-law (and fellow aspiring writer) had this advice from an agent who read her full novel draft before sending her back to the drawing board: "Write something for your novel every single day, even if it's a single word."


I just need some way to hook up a micro-usb port to my brain and do an info. dump onto my laptop.  :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 12, 2016, 01:44:12 PM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.

I know the feeling. I'm trying to get started on something beyond the monthly story contest here and finding it hard.

I have all the material between the ears, so I'm not at a loss for what to write, it's just the matter of sitting down and committing time to just bang it out.

My sister-in-law (and fellow aspiring writer) had this advice from an agent who read her full novel draft before sending her back to the drawing board: "Write something for your novel every single day, even if it's a single word."


I just need some way to hook up a micro-usb port to my brain and do an info. dump onto my laptop.  :D
I think that's called "dragon dictation".  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CryptofCthulhu on January 13, 2016, 08:38:56 AM
Plenty of time to write but haven't written anything in the past couple weeks.

I know the feeling. I'm trying to get started on something beyond the monthly story contest here and finding it hard.

I have all the material between the ears, so I'm not at a loss for what to write, it's just the matter of sitting down and committing time to just bang it out.

My sister-in-law (and fellow aspiring writer) had this advice from an agent who read her full novel draft before sending her back to the drawing board: "Write something for your novel every single day, even if it's a single word."


I just need some way to hook up a micro-usb port to my brain and do an info. dump onto my laptop.  :D
I think that's called "dragon dictation".  ;D

At this point I'm more likely to meet a real dragon than get any writing done.  :(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on January 14, 2016, 03:20:37 AM
I took a two week vacation from writing. That means I didn't wrote around 14.000 words  ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on January 14, 2016, 08:20:05 AM
I took a two week vacation from writing. That means I didn't wrote around 14.000 words  ::)
Now I realise what was missing from the other thread ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 14, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
Day 2 of writing wow thing for my novel every day.
Notice which thread I'm posting in.
Meanwhile clan JMack did not win the massive u.s. Powerball last night.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on January 15, 2016, 03:49:56 PM
Haven't written anything at all for over a month. News year's resolution to write every day is going... well?  ???

Saurus sent me this link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/kristinchirico/13-charts-that-will-make-total-sense-to-people-with-impostor?bffbmain&utm_term=.usngK0Ej0#.wsG7KXnGX), all of which are spot on. This one reminded me of receiving feedback on writing:

(https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2016-01/7/19/enhanced/webdr11/enhanced-3646-1452212525-17.jpg)

Funny how that never applies to the negative parts of any feedback...  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 15, 2016, 07:52:41 PM
It's not lying.
It's managing the message.
 8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on January 15, 2016, 07:56:04 PM
It's not lying.
It's managing the message.
 8)
I'll be sure to remember that. It makes an... undeniable difference?  ???
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on January 15, 2016, 08:28:58 PM
Haven't written anything at all for over a month. News year's resolution to write every day is going... well?  ???

Saurus sent me this link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/kristinchirico/13-charts-that-will-make-total-sense-to-people-with-impostor?bffbmain&utm_term=.usngK0Ej0#.wsG7KXnGX), all of which are spot on. This one reminded me of receiving feedback on writing:

(https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2016-01/7/19/enhanced/webdr11/enhanced-3646-1452212525-17.jpg)

Funny how that never applies to the negative parts of any feedback...  :o

Oh I think this graph is a bunch for introverts, no? I found it some weeks ago and thought they were fab, and oh so accurate hehe
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on January 15, 2016, 09:15:01 PM
Haven't written anything at all for over a month. News year's resolution to write every day is going... well?  ???

Saurus sent me this link (http://www.buzzfeed.com/kristinchirico/13-charts-that-will-make-total-sense-to-people-with-impostor?bffbmain&utm_term=.usngK0Ej0#.wsG7KXnGX), all of which are spot on. This one reminded me of receiving feedback on writing:

(https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2016-01/7/19/enhanced/webdr11/enhanced-3646-1452212525-17.jpg)

Funny how that never applies to the negative parts of any feedback...  :o

Oh I think this graph is a bunch for introverts, no? I found it some weeks ago and thought they were fab, and oh so accurate hehe
According to the link it's called "Impostor Syndrome", but it makes sense for it to be much more common for introverts. Can't imagine what life would be like without feeling like that!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on January 15, 2016, 10:31:14 PM
According to the link it's called "Impostor Syndrome", but it makes sense for it to be much more common for introverts. Can't imagine what life would be like without feeling like that!
Here's what I was thinking about:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/annaborges/brb-im-introverting#.wtXjjb8r5 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/annaborges/brb-im-introverting#.wtXjjb8r5)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on January 15, 2016, 10:47:33 PM
According to the link it's called "Impostor Syndrome", but it makes sense for it to be much more common for introverts. Can't imagine what life would be like without feeling like that!
Here's what I was thinking about:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/annaborges/brb-im-introverting#.wtXjjb8r5 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/annaborges/brb-im-introverting#.wtXjjb8r5)
Haha awesome, hadn't seen that one!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on January 16, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
No idea where to put this, there isn't really a 'general writer questions' thread so I'm throwing it here I guess?

Have a character called Tybalt Wyatt, no idea if I want to refer to him in the text as 'Tybalt' or 'Wyatt', would interchanging put you off within the prose itself? I don't think I would be bothered by it but can't recall other examples...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on January 16, 2016, 02:10:41 PM
No idea where to put this, there isn't really a 'general writer questions' thread so I'm throwing it here I guess?

Have a character called Tybalt Wyatt, no idea if I want to refer to him in the text as 'Tybalt' or 'Wyatt', would interchanging put you off within the prose itself? I don't think I would be bothered by it but can't recall other examples...
Reading Paprika at the moment, a Japanese book originally so characters refer to each other depending on their social status and relationship. The MC also has MPS so they refer to her with multiple names. I'm never bothered by it.

To keep it short: go ahead, just make sure the reader can initially make out that's the character's name. As the story goes on you can switch around and readers will automatically associate.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on January 17, 2016, 12:04:25 AM
No idea where to put this, there isn't really a 'general writer questions' thread so I'm throwing it here I guess?

Have a character called Tybalt Wyatt, no idea if I want to refer to him in the text as 'Tybalt' or 'Wyatt', would interchanging put you off within the prose itself? I don't think I would be bothered by it but can't recall other examples...

Yes I could find it very annoying.
I recently read a book where this kept happening, pretty sure in the first book of Fionavar Tapestry, and they did it with more than one of the five main characters.

Not only did they use both their modern world first and surnames but then they got their " through the portal"  fantasy names as well. Would have been fine if just first names and fantasy names but the surnames as well is ridiculous. I love the book but it is complicated with huge cast anyway and that made it confusing all through the first book. By the second book it had sunk in, but still noticeable.

If you only do it with one or two characters and use it appropriately ie personal interaction the first name and formal interaction the surname, that s fine. But otherwise it seems unnecessary.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 17, 2016, 12:52:01 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on January 17, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on January 17, 2016, 02:32:14 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.
I thought you'd already started, no?
Don't you have 2 or 3 different ideas ongoing?

And don't think of it as 'your novel', then. See it as an extended version of a monthly contest story, that has no word limit ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 17, 2016, 03:40:23 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.
I thought you'd already started, no?
Don't you have 2 or 3 different ideas ongoing?

And don't think of it as 'your novel', then. See it as an extended version of a monthly contest story, that has no word limit ;)

That's awesome ^

I'm going with turning Library of Alexander into a YA book.
I did get going this morning, just world building in a mad bunny-hopping dash.
I have the sketch of the situation; relates to my story submission, but a book will need so much more underpinnings. I'll do some bunny work, and then start discovery writing at some point (soon).

The step off the precipice of "this will suck" can be sooooo tough to take.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on January 18, 2016, 11:24:33 AM



I'm going with turning Library of Alexander into a YA book.
I did get going this morning, just world building in a mad bunny-hopping dash.
I have the sketch of the situation; relates to my story submission, but a book will need so much more underpinnings. I'll do some bunny work, and then start discovery writing at some point (soon).

The step off the precipice of "this will suck" can be sooooo tough to take.

I adored the squirrels, they have enormous possibility.  The sound of a full YA about that library is a really great idea. Go for it, but forget precipices, write for your own pleasure, have fun  and good luck. ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on January 19, 2016, 03:44:40 PM
Since I wasn't feeling well yesterday and took the afternoon off, I decided to take a break from writing. I'll get back into it this evening after a good workout.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on January 19, 2016, 03:53:47 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.
I thought you'd already started, no?
Don't you have 2 or 3 different ideas ongoing?

And don't think of it as 'your novel', then. See it as an extended version of a monthly contest story, that has no word limit ;)

That's awesome ^

I'm going with turning Library of Alexander into a YA book.
I did get going this morning, just world building in a mad bunny-hopping dash.
I have the sketch of the situation; relates to my story submission, but a book will need so much more underpinnings. I'll do some bunny work, and then start discovery writing at some point (soon).

The step off the precipice of "this will suck" can be sooooo tough to take.

Was this the thing you showed me this afternoon (my timezone), @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094)? Or was it something else? It had a lovely voice, like reading a book of the Howl series :)

I've been meaning to write and I have been writing, just not the thing I wanted to write.
I want to write on my big project again but I keep drifting back to Henry the Jack. It's because it's so easy to write (after all it's based on reality).
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 19, 2016, 04:05:35 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.
I thought you'd already started, no?
Don't you have 2 or 3 different ideas ongoing?

And don't think of it as 'your novel', then. See it as an extended version of a monthly contest story, that has no word limit ;)

That's awesome ^

I'm going with turning Library of Alexander into a YA book.
I did get going this morning, just world building in a mad bunny-hopping dash.
I have the sketch of the situation; relates to my story submission, but a book will need so much more underpinnings. I'll do some bunny work, and then start discovery writing at some point (soon).

The step off the precipice of "this will suck" can be sooooo tough to take.

Was this the thing you showed me this afternoon (my timezone), @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094)? Or was it something else? It had a lovely voice, like reading a book of the Howl series :)

I've been meaning to write and I have been writing, just not the thing I wanted to write.
I want to write on my big project again but I keep drifting back to Henry the Jack. It's because it's so easy to write (after all it's based on reality).
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P

Yes, that was LofA stuff.  :)

I understand you can hire butt-kickers from shop windows in Amsterdam.   ;)
For the rest, we can start an "accountability club".  8)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on January 19, 2016, 04:12:12 PM
I'm terrified of really starting my novel.
I thought you'd already started, no?
Don't you have 2 or 3 different ideas ongoing?

And don't think of it as 'your novel', then. See it as an extended version of a monthly contest story, that has no word limit ;)

That's awesome ^

I'm going with turning Library of Alexander into a YA book.
I did get going this morning, just world building in a mad bunny-hopping dash.
I have the sketch of the situation; relates to my story submission, but a book will need so much more underpinnings. I'll do some bunny work, and then start discovery writing at some point (soon).

The step off the precipice of "this will suck" can be sooooo tough to take.

Was this the thing you showed me this afternoon (my timezone), @Jmack (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094)? Or was it something else? It had a lovely voice, like reading a book of the Howl series :)

I've been meaning to write and I have been writing, just not the thing I wanted to write.
I want to write on my big project again but I keep drifting back to Henry the Jack. It's because it's so easy to write (after all it's based on reality).
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P

Yes, that was LofA stuff.  :)

I understand you can hire butt-kickers from shop windows in Amsterdam.   ;)
For the rest, we can start an "accountability club".  8)

I don't think those ladies with favours in Amsterdam proofread novels though :p
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on January 19, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P

1. *kicks Henry's butt*
2. Go on, focus on your BIG project and leave Conan alone.
3. Sorry, can't proofread, I don't have much time at the moment
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on January 19, 2016, 04:29:53 PM
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P

1. *kicks Henry's butt*
2. Go on, focus on your BIG project and leave Conan alone.
3. Sorry, can't proofread, I don't have much time at the moment

Sorry, not hired Bea  ;)
I need someone who does the boring stuff as well as the fun stuff  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on January 19, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P

1. *kicks Henry's butt*
2. Go on, focus on your BIG project and leave Conan alone.
3. Sorry, can't proofread, I don't have much time at the moment

Sorry, not hired Bea  ;)
I need someone who does the boring stuff as well as the fun stuff  ;D

hehe, it's not boring, but it requires some time, and I'm committed to Eli before you :)
*removes butt kicking*
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on January 19, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
I'm in need of someone who kicks my butt, tells me to focus and proofreads me.  :P

1. *kicks Henry's butt*
2. Go on, focus on your BIG project and leave Conan alone.
3. Sorry, can't proofread, I don't have much time at the moment

Sorry, not hired Bea  ;)
I need someone who does the boring stuff as well as the fun stuff  ;D

hehe, it's not boring, but it requires some time, and I'm committed to Eli before you :)
*removes butt kicking*

Forgive me for asking in ignorance, but what does eli mean?  ???
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 19, 2016, 05:02:08 PM

Forgive me for asking in ignorance, but what does eli mean?  ???

Forum friend and Regular: Eli Freysson.
Whose book "The Call" I am 15% through and rocking.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on January 19, 2016, 05:03:16 PM

Forgive me for asking in ignorance, but what does eli mean?  ???

Forum friend and Regular: Eli Freysson.
Whose book "The Call" I am 15% through and rocking.
Ooh you're reading it now? How're you finding it

On-topic: no writing today (again), though we did a bit of editing which is something at least. Plus spent another few hours on our author website, which is starting to look pretty good. :)
 
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on January 19, 2016, 05:03:48 PM

Forgive me for asking in ignorance, but what does eli mean?  ???

Forum friend and Regular: Eli Freysson.
Whose book "The Call" I am 15% through and rocking.

Oh I see, I thought it was some mysterious verb  ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on January 19, 2016, 05:08:33 PM

Forgive me for asking in ignorance, but what does eli mean?  ???

Forum friend and Regular: Eli Freysson.
Whose book "The Call" I am 15% through and rocking.
Ooh you're reading it now? How're you finding it?

(@Eli_Freysson (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40309))

Classic "Jedi trains Padawan to defend the world from phantom menace" so far but well-written and pretty well translated. I'd quibble with a few word order and word choices in the English, but I'm enjoying the story. Eli has some really nice moments capturing the student's emotions, as well as very clear descriptions of landscape and traveling through it. Starts info-dumpy, but only through dialogue and realistic interior monologue (thank you, Eli).

Early days, so I'm waiting for the Great Danger to really kick in. But quick and fun so far.



Edit: Well, very violent Jedis.  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Eli_Freysson on January 19, 2016, 06:41:53 PM

Forgive me for asking in ignorance, but what does eli mean?  ???

Forum friend and Regular: Eli Freysson.
Whose book "The Call" I am 15% through and rocking.
Ooh you're reading it now? How're you finding it?

(@Eli_Freysson (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40309))

Classic "Jedi trains Padawan to defend the world from phantom menace" so far but well-written and pretty well translated. I'd quibble with a few word order and word choices in the English, but I'm enjoying the story. Eli has some really nice moments capturing the student's emotions, as well as very clear descriptions of landscape and traveling through it. Starts info-dumpy, but only through dialogue and realistic interior monologue (thank you, Eli).

Early days, so I'm waiting for the Great Danger to really kick in. But quick and fun so far.



Edit: Well, very violent Jedis.  ;)

Well, I have a fondness for archetypes and classic plots. One of the reasons I loved The Force Awakens so much. Glad you're liking it so far, Jmack.

As for hiccups in my English... well, we can put that down to the fantasy setting.  :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on January 22, 2016, 03:03:07 AM
January is being terrible. I don't think I even wrote 5k. Maybe I will try to go for at least 10k.

I'm just busy and focusing on reading when I can.

Worse, February and XCOM2 is coming. Not to mention Fire Emblem:Fates. I don't play much video games, but these two are the types of games I really love.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Ryan Mueller on January 30, 2016, 12:04:22 AM
I haven't done any writing today, but I did submit one of my books to the Angry Robot Open Door. It's both exciting and terrifying.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on January 30, 2016, 08:16:47 PM
January is being terrible. I don't think I even wrote 5k. Maybe I will try to go for at least 10k.

I'm just busy and focusing on reading when I can.

Worse, February and XCOM2 is coming. Not to mention Fire Emblem:Fates. I don't play much video games, but these two are the types of games I really love.
You could set yourself a task, can't play XCOM or Fire Emblem until you've written 1000 words, then play those for a bit, then do 500 words afterwards. Easy peasy. :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on February 01, 2016, 06:51:13 AM
Nothing today. I gave myself a break because I did three or four hours of editing yesterday. I've got two chapters to collapse into one, but that craziness  can wait till tomorrow.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on February 01, 2016, 12:13:41 PM
January is being terrible. I don't think I even wrote 5k. Maybe I will try to go for at least 10k.

I'm just busy and focusing on reading when I can.

Worse, February and XCOM2 is coming. Not to mention Fire Emblem:Fates. I don't play much video games, but these two are the types of games I really love.
You could set yourself a task, can't play XCOM or Fire Emblem until you've written 1000 words, then play those for a bit, then do 500 words afterwards. Easy peasy. :P

That would require self control, responsibility and seriousness!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on February 02, 2016, 12:25:49 AM
Just to distract you all. If you think Thoreau had the answer and you wish you had your own Walden read this. ;D

BTW never realised Henry T went home for his meals  and laundry. :o :o  Disillusioned .

http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/jan/25/perils-writing-in-solitude-george-orwell-thoreau?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on February 03, 2016, 02:15:11 AM
I've basically been staring at the screen and keyboard for two hours.
I wrote 54 words and deleted them.
Several times.

It's depressing.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 03, 2016, 02:26:01 AM
I've basically been staring at the screen and keyboard for two hours.
I wrote 54 words and deleted them.
Several times.

It's depressing.
Now imagine going through that every day for two months.  :(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: tebakutis on February 09, 2016, 04:11:00 PM
Should have written at least 3k words last night. Played X-Com 2 instead. Dammit.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on February 13, 2016, 12:46:03 PM
Should have written at least 3k words last night. Played X-Com 2 instead. Dammit.

I know, right. I haven't even started the monthly. In fact, I didn't even started writing this year.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on February 13, 2016, 02:30:44 PM
Wrote around 800 words, all on the short story contest. It's going to need an awful lot of editing, since I'm meant to pack 4 more characters in the remaining 700 words. 4 already feature, besides the MC.
It's hard to do a smart mouthed writing style in few words, somehow.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 24, 2016, 12:00:09 PM
We were planning to try out a new schedule in which we'd start the day by spending a couple of hours writing. After half an hour, we got a call and had several work projects dumped on us which all need to be done asap. It's made worse by how well things were going up until that point - we had written 800 words in those 25 minutes, with no signs of slowing. Unlikely we'll have any more time to write today.

Work.  >:(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on February 24, 2016, 01:29:23 PM
We were planning to try out a new schedule in which we'd start the day by spending a couple of hours writing. After half an hour, we got a call and had several work projects dumped on us which all need to be done asap. It's made worse by how well things were going up until that point - we had written 800 words in those 25 minutes, with no signs of slowing. Unlikely we'll have any more time to write today.

Work.  >:(

Damn money. People should just deliver food and fuel to us, gratis.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 24, 2016, 01:33:33 PM
We were planning to try out a new schedule in which we'd start the day by spending a couple of hours writing. After half an hour, we got a call and had several work projects dumped on us which all need to be done asap. It's made worse by how well things were going up until that point - we had written 800 words in those 25 minutes, with no signs of slowing. Unlikely we'll have any more time to write today.

Work.  >:(

Damn money. People should just deliver food and fuel to us, gratis.
Seriously! We should protest somehow, spread the word.

Just managed to sneak in another 30 minutes over lunch, so another 990 words written. Really liking the techniques we're trying - if we actually had those 2-3 hours this morning we'd have written over 5,000 words today at this pace.  :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on February 24, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
Just managed to sneak in another 30 minutes over lunch, so another 990 words written.
Sound doable... if I was copying something.  :o
Do you just write random words with that speed, or are there actual sentences and maybe a story with some sort of plot on the screen afterwards?  ;) ;D

990 words in 300 minutes (for the monthly contest) could be considered a decent pace for me.  ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 24, 2016, 03:02:51 PM
Just managed to sneak in another 30 minutes over lunch, so another 990 words written.
Sound doable... if I was copying something.  :o
Do you just write random words with that speed, or are there actual sentences and maybe a story with some sort of plot on the screen afterwards?  ;) ;D

990 words in 300 minutes (for the monthly contest) could be considered a decent pace for me.  ::)
;D

There are sentences and a story, honest! The words aren't pretty, but we're no longer even considering wording. The other day we spent an hour trying to write, and called it a day when we realised we had written only 60 words in an entire hour. We never wrote as fast as we really wanted to, but that kinda showed we had slowed down to a ridiculously slow pace. So, we changed a few things, and now the writing just flows naturally. Can explain what we're actually doing different (with examples!) if you're interested. :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on February 24, 2016, 03:21:13 PM
Can explain what we're actually doing different (with examples!) if you're interested. :)
Yes please, if it's not too much trouble.  :)
(Though I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing wrong.)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 24, 2016, 03:43:38 PM
Can explain what we're actually doing different (with examples!) if you're interested. :)
Yes please, if it's not too much trouble.  :)
(Though I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing wrong.)
Okay, will do! Gotta do a bit more work and then have dinner, but should be able to write it out sometime tonight.  :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on February 24, 2016, 04:36:15 PM
Can explain what we're actually doing different (with examples!) if you're interested. :)
Yes please, if it's not too much trouble.  :)
(Though I have a pretty good idea of what I'm doing wrong.)
Okay, will do! Gotta do a bit more work and then have dinner, but should be able to write it out sometime tonight.  :P
No rush. And don't feel at all obligated.  :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 24, 2016, 08:35:20 PM
Alrighty then @ArcaneArtsVelho (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40090)! This will be quite long, even though there's probably very little new here... just a case of bringing together stuff that we've read online and a couple of random things we experimented with really.

What we've always wanted to do is write really clear and vivid stories, so we were always shaping our writing based on what images (or sounds/smells/etc) we want to put into other people's minds. I think we managed to do a half-decent job of that some of the time, but it made us write relatively slowly even when things were going well, and when we were low on confidence (as we have been for the last three or four months) we slowed to practically nothing even when we found the time to sit down and write.

Solution which everybody knows: until you get the first draft completely onto the page, don't think about readers or editing at all. Problem with that: we've never been able to switch off our internal editor(s). What we had to do was work out an easy way to turn those editors off. We also started doing a couple of other things we found online, and together they make a ridiculous difference (I'll add links at the bottom).


Before you start you have to know what the story is about (as per the advice in both articles). In this case, as we're writing a short story (which will hopefully be our Guns & Dragons submission), we wrote a very vague outline which just sketches out how we want the plot and protagonist to develop, but kept pretty much everything else in our heads. (It's worth noting that based on the outline our story should end up somewhere between 7,000 and 8,000 words, which is roughly what we're expecting the upper limit for submissions to be, and is short enough that we can hold pretty much all of it in mind at once.)

Once that's out of the way, it's just a matter of getting into the right mindset for each draft, and that's where we changed our approach the most.


First Draft

Usually for our first draft - which was invariably our only one - we'd try to capture what we're thinking into prose in a way that would make it as clear to the reader as possible. That meant a clear perspective from the first word to the last, while trying to get a good balance of description, dialogue, and action; we always tried to write something as close to what we were aiming for as possible. Most of the time for the short story contest we'd spend a little time editing after the first draft and call it finished. This approach made our writing really slow, and we've never been particularly happy with the end results.

This time, we focused on writing as simple a first draft as possible. All it was meant to do is remind us of the story we picture in our heads (and sharpen & refine it if possible), so that none of the detail we're imagining is lost; to other people it'd appear to be just a very detailed outline. It's a sketch of what we see with no regard for what the reader brings to the table.

After a little experimentation we found this works best for us when writing in present tense, with no fixed perspective, no description, no dialogue aside from vague "they argued" type notes, and a focus on providing a brief objective overview of what's actually happening and the major reactions of the characters. The moment we made those changes, our internal editors disappeared.

When we stripped it back to that, we were able to write down the whole story in about 700 words (10% of the intended length). I guess it's kinda like a beat sheet, but with less structure and more of a sense of the story's flow, and it distils the story down to individual actions and reactions rather than individual scenes.

The most important thing about it is that when we read it it's like pressing play on a video - it triggers the thoughts and impressions that comprise the story we want to tell, even though those things aren't actually there on the page.


Second Draft

For the second draft, we basically repeated the process we used for the first draft, rewriting everything from scratch, but this time we filtered everything through the perspective of the protagonist. Instead of being an objective list of all actions and reactions performed by anyone in the area, we added in details of what the protagonist is thinking or feeling, and some of what he's experiencing as well. We also fleshed out the dialogue slightly, so instead of a sentence outlining a whole conversation we wrote a sentence for each exchange within that conversation. It's still present tense with little description, so the editors are still absent, but it's more focused on the protagonist and feels like a big step in the development from outline towards prose. At this point we're also ready to shift things around and do those kinds of structural/continuity edits, which we suspect will save time later on.

We've not finished this draft yet (it's what we were writing this morning), but it looks like it'll be somewhere between 30% and 50% of the target word count, depending on how much detail we add and whether we remove anything, and it'll take very little time. It still has a lot in common with a detailed outline, but it also starts to feel much more like prose.

Again the key purpose of the draft is to trigger our thoughts, and the main difference is the level of depth and richness of what it makes us experience. At the same time it helps us organise the narrative and make sure everything works as it should.


Third Draft

We've not really got into this yet, but at this point we'll probably be in a place to turn the draft into narrative prose. We tried it with the first section, and it was really easy; it took five minutes to write ~160 words which came out about as well as we could have hoped. This draft will be fully filtered from the protagonist's perspective, well balanced, etc, and hopefully be close to the finished story - it should only need editing rather than more writing, and hopefully not much of that.

Naturally, if this is a narrative prose draft, the purpose here would be very different: it'd be intended to put the narrative we're telling into somebody else's mind with as much clarity as possible.


While that approach does mean that we'll be essentially throwing away everything we write in our first and second drafts - they're in the wrong tense and perspective after all - it should still save us a massive amount of time. The extra drafts add roughly 50% to the total word count, but since we've gone from writing 100 words per hour to nearly 2000 per hour (at the first attempt!), we'll be writing 12,000 words in 6-8 hours rather than 8,000 words in 80 hours. When you write it out like that, the difference is ridiculous.

And that's just our first attempt at writing faster - stands to reason that the writing speed should improve once we get used to it.  8)


Example Development

Fireless notices the smell of soldiers, plus something he doesn't recognise. He sends thoughts to dragon far above, asking where the soldiers are.
Fireless notices a strange smell underneath the scents of the hunt going on nearby (add description). The scent smells dangerous to him somehow, and comes with the smells of steel and horses - soldiers. He sends the sensory impression to the dragons far above, framed as a question: can anyone see them? While he waits for them to reply, he looks around warily (show surroundings), frightened of being ambushed. He's alone in a forest, nothing near him, though he can see flickering light from the fires and hear the humans shout to each other.
Fireless crept between the trees and tasted the air, curious, trying to identify the sharp scent that lurked beneath the stench of panicked human. The midnight breeze was awash with smells that spoke of life and death. Fragrant smoke and fiery magic, reeking dung and roasting flesh, fear and pain and anger. The delicious aromas of the hunt.

But this time, there was something more. A scent that spoke of danger.

It came with two more familiar smells: horseflesh and steel. Soldiers. The only type of human worthy of any respect. Fireless captured the impression and sent it out into the aether with an urgent thought: "Can anyone see them?" He scanned the forest around him as he waited for the other dragons to reply.

He was alone. The hold was obscured by trees, at least part of it afire. Shifting light cast flickering shadows across the ground, chased by jumbled shouts and cries above the crackling of flame.
That third draft could do with a lot more work, but I don't think there's any noticeable difference between it and the kind of thing we'd have written before writing like this. If anything it's better - there's less that needs to be cut, it's more focused, and it flows a little better than a lot of our first drafts.
 

Further Reading  8)

So, aside from the approach to drafting that finally got our inner editors to shut up, I mentioned productivity techniques, and a couple of articles in particular that helped. It's all about reducing the amount of time you spend distracted or unfocused when you're meant to be writing, as opposed just slamming the keyboard as quickly as physically possible!

The first article is by Rachel Aaron, a popular author on here due to her Eli Monpress series, and it has been a massive help: How I Went From Writing 2,000 Words a Day to 10,000 Words a Day (http://thisblogisaploy.blogspot.fi/2011/06/how-i-went-from-writing-2000-words-day.html). It's quite simple really: a) know what you're writing, b) write at a time of day at which you're productive, and c) make sure you're always enthusiastic about the scene you're writing. It goes into a lot more detail, definitely well worth a read. In our case, we had points a and c mostly right, but not b. Apparently we write twice as fast in the morning, didn't really realise that until we tested it - we actually thought we wrote faster at night.  :o

The second one I came across randomly the other day, not quite as useful but still worth a look: How To Consistently Write 3500-4000 Words Per Hour (http://proseonfire.com/how-to-consistently-write-3500-4000-words-per-hour/). Sounds like an insane speed, but it's quite simple really. The first point is know what you're writing again, and the third & fourth aren't really relevant for us - we won't be using a dictophone, and we work better from home anyway. The relevant point is the Pomodoro time management method, which we tried today - it seemed to help a bit, but I guess we'll have to see how it goes over time. Supposedly the short sprints of work with regular short breaks means you're more likely to stay fresh and energetic for longer, and it's a massively popular technique so there's a good chance it'll work.


I think that's about it. Incidentally, this post's length: 1,900 words.  ???

I'm gonna go walk the dog.  :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on February 24, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
Wow!  :o

Thanks, man!  :) Really interesting.

I don't know if I am going to try that method, but I do know that I really need to learn to draft properly. I mean, when I'm writing for the monthly contest I keep checking something (a word or an idiom or the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow) from the internet every other sentence. It would be so much faster to do all that while editing instead of constantly jumping out of the "flow" while writing. I know this is a problem for me, but still... I just need to know, right there and then, what the airspeed velocity is.  ::) ;)

Not that proper drafting would make me a fast writer: I can read about 150 words per minute and write (well, type) about 30 wpm. And those are pretty much my maximum, non-sustainable speeds. Hell, you probably wrote that 1900 word post faster than I read it.  ;D
I'm really not fit for these highly efficient times we are living in.  :P

Supposedly the short sprints of work with regular short breaks means you're more likely to stay fresh and energetic for longer, and it's a massively popular technique so there's a good chance it'll work.
I don't think I have heard of this Pomodoro method before, but I have heard that humans can't really concentrate on one thing for more than 15-20 minutes at a time. So that Pomodoro (or even shorter bursts) could (should?) be more efficient than writing non-stop for hours.

The problem I have with that kind of rhythm is that 25 minutes really isn't enough for me to even start writing.  ;)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on February 24, 2016, 11:26:02 PM
Raptori and Saurus, thank you, that was extremely interesting and appreciate explaining in such detail. I very much enjoyed that and will be keeping it for reference, even though I only try now and again to write a story.
I haven't read your links yet, but will later. Your own post left so much to think about.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on February 25, 2016, 08:09:00 AM
Raptori and Saurus, thank you, that was extremely interesting and appreciate explaining in such detail. I very much enjoyed that and will be keeping it for reference, even though I only try now and again to write a story.
I haven't read your links yet, but will later. Your own post left so much to think about.

I also loved your post, R&S, although when you Lady Ty say "Your own post left so much to think about", my main thought is just "I will really never be a writer" ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on February 25, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
Thanks, man!  :) Really interesting.
No probs, actually helped us think through what we're doing, so it'll be easier to focus on the right things next time!

I don't know if I am going to try that method, but I do know that I really need to learn to draft properly. I mean, when I'm writing for the monthly contest I keep checking something (a word or an idiom or the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow) from the internet every other sentence. It would be so much faster to do all that while editing instead of constantly jumping out of the "flow" while writing. I know this is a problem for me, but still... I just need to know, right there and then, what the airspeed velocity is.  ::) ;)
Yup, that was exactly our problem. Gets really frustrating when you start to look at how little you've written.  :P
 
Not that proper drafting would make me a fast writer: I can read about 150 words per minute and write (well, type) about 30 wpm. And those are pretty much my maximum, non-sustainable speeds. Hell, you probably wrote that 1900 word post faster than I read it.  ;D
I'm really not fit for these highly efficient times we are living in.  :P
Well 30 wpm is 1800 per hour! Even a third of half that would be a really impressive pace, and if you can get into the right mindset then that might not be difficult to sustain for you. Then if you found an hour or so per day to write you'd be steaming ahead! :)
 
Supposedly the short sprints of work with regular short breaks means you're more likely to stay fresh and energetic for longer, and it's a massively popular technique so there's a good chance it'll work.
I don't think I have heard of this Pomodoro method before, but I have heard that humans can't really concentrate on one thing for more than 15-20 minutes at a time. So that Pomodoro (or even shorter bursts) could (should?) be more efficient than writing non-stop for hours.

The problem I have with that kind of rhythm is that 25 minutes really isn't enough for me to even start writing.  ;)
Yeah exactly, think that's the idea behind it. You could always start the clock once you've started to actually put words down? :D

Raptori and Saurus, thank you, that was extremely interesting and appreciate explaining in such detail. I very much enjoyed that and will be keeping it for reference, even though I only try now and again to write a story.
I haven't read your links yet, but will later. Your own post left so much to think about.
Glad it gave you something to think about! The Aaron link is really good, definitely worth taking a look. :)

Raptori and Saurus, thank you, that was extremely interesting and appreciate explaining in such detail. I very much enjoyed that and will be keeping it for reference, even though I only try now and again to write a story.
I haven't read your links yet, but will later. Your own post left so much to think about.

I also loved your post, R&S, although when you Lady Ty say "Your own post left so much to think about", my main thought is just "I will really never be a writer" ;D
You'll never know unless you try it!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Henry Dale on March 06, 2016, 05:39:18 PM
I did...nothing!  ;D
Was chatting with a girl I like, gotta have priorities right?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SarahW on March 08, 2016, 11:07:57 PM
Got 7,000 words done of a subplot. That makes roughly 13,500 words as of now. I could have wrote more, but have a bit of a noisy room mate at the moment.:/
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on June 07, 2016, 06:16:11 AM
Well, probably won't get much done this week because I've decided I'm moving.  And this Friday.  Which means packing like crazy!  There was much business today as well, but hey, I got a goal in soccer and that's super awesome.  When moving is done, and resumes are dished out like the plague all across the city, I shall return to writing once more.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on June 07, 2016, 11:27:56 AM
Well, probably won't get much done this week because I've decided I'm moving.  And this Friday.  Which means packing like crazy!  There was much business today as well, but hey, I got a goal in soccer and that's super awesome.  When moving is done, and resumes are dished out like the plague all across the city, I shall return to writing once more.

Plague that city! Do it!  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on June 07, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
Well, probably won't get much done this week because I've decided I'm moving.  And this Friday.  Which means packing like crazy!  There was much business today as well, but hey, I got a goal in soccer and that's super awesome.  When moving is done, and resumes are dished out like the plague all across the city, I shall return to writing once more.

Plague that city! Do it!  ;D

*grins mischievously* "Jigglypuff, let's get to work!"

Jigglypuff: "Jiggly-jigglypuff!"

His shall be a plague like no other.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: tebakutis on June 07, 2016, 04:26:51 PM
*grins mischievously* "Jigglypuff, let's get to work!"

Jigglypuff: "Jiggly-jigglypuff!"

His shall be a plague like no other.

I read recently that if you got yourself a pet parrot and taught it to say "parrot" it would be like the closest thing to owning a Pokemon in real life.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on June 07, 2016, 05:07:04 PM
*grins mischievously* "Jigglypuff, let's get to work!"

Jigglypuff: "Jiggly-jigglypuff!"

His shall be a plague like no other.

I read recently that if you got yourself a pet parrot and taught it to say "parrot" it would be like the closest thing to owning a Pokemon in real life.
Yeah. And then you put the parrot inside a little ball and start throwing the ball around.  :P ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on June 26, 2016, 10:44:38 AM
I'm really bad at revisions.

I end up wanting to just write rather than revise :P

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on June 26, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
I wanted to write a lot this weekend, but I just watched the Eurocup  ::)

At least there are no games on Tuesday and Wednesday.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on July 28, 2016, 12:45:13 AM
I've done nothing for the past two days. Was completely absorbed with Mistborn. Darn it, Sanderson! Why'd you write such a good book?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Alex Hormann on July 28, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
Had nearly three weeks of no writing due to farmwork. Hopefully I can get some done today.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Matamelcan on July 29, 2016, 05:44:42 AM
All of them, I think I should ban books at my writing computer.
Also damn chickens.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 05, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
Raptori opens document.

Reads through plan for next scene.

Nothing.

Ponders for a while.

Reads previous paragraphs.

Ponders some more.

Still nothing.

Puts on a different song.

Discovers that that makes no difference.

Reads a little further back in the story.

Tries to picture what is supposed to happen.

Doesn't work.

Reads the entire story so far, including plan for remainder of story.

Wonders why his brain is not working.

Sighs.

Closes document.

 :-[
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Deads on August 05, 2016, 08:57:46 PM
I tried to force a few lines this morning.  Sometimes it ends up working and I get a flow going.  This time, like most times. it didn't.   :o
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 05, 2016, 09:00:56 PM
I tried to force a few lines this morning.  Sometimes it ends up working and I get a flow going.  This time, like most times. it didn't.   :o
Frustrating when it doesn't. If only there were a way to make sure it does! Most of the time people say the most effective thing to do is just write anyway, but I don't have the patience to write at 50-100 words per hour in the hope that it'll start flowing after pushing through for long enough.  :-\
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Deads on August 05, 2016, 09:10:52 PM
I don't have the patience to write at 50-100 words per hour in the hope that it'll start flowing after pushing through for long enough.  :-\

Amen.  Maybe Hunter S. Thompson had the right idea...  Inebriate one's self and freak out until words form lines.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on August 05, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
I don't have the patience to write at 50-100 words per hour in the hope that it'll start flowing after pushing through for long enough.  :-\

Amen.  Maybe Hunter S. Thompson had the right idea...  Inebriate one's self and freak out until words form lines.
Hunter S. was a lot of things, but taking inspiration from him is probably not advisable :P

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Deads on August 05, 2016, 09:14:50 PM
Hunter S. was a lot of things, but taking inspiration from him is probably not advisable :P

Aww, but I'm good at inebriation...   :-\  Sixty percent of the time, I can get you drunk EVERY TIME.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 05, 2016, 09:25:21 PM
Definitely sounds like an approach worth considering.

Thinking about it, for me the most productive writing times are when I'm either still mostly asleep or just completely exhausted. Remember reading somewhere that fatigue has the same effects on your brain as being mildly drunk... This must be investigated.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: m3mnoch on August 05, 2016, 10:40:07 PM
Raptori opens document.

Reads through plan for next scene.

Nothing.

Ponders for a while.

Reads previous paragraphs.

Ponders some more.

Still nothing.

Puts on a different song.

Discovers that that makes no difference.

Reads a little further back in the story.

Tries to picture what is supposed to happen.

Doesn't work.

Reads the entire story so far, including plan for remainder of story.

Wonders why his brain is not working.

Sighs.

Closes document.

 :-[

this is SOOOO my writing life since i've freed up from work.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on August 05, 2016, 10:46:13 PM
Quote
You sit down at the keyboard and you put one word after the other until its done. It's that easy and that hard. - Neil Gaiman.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Quill on August 06, 2016, 10:00:33 AM
this is SOOOO my writing life since i've freed up from work.

The weird thing for me is... days when I've been busy with work, I find myself motivated in the evening to write, and I get something done. Days when I have all day to do what I want, I keep procrastinating and doing other things. It's like my brain needs to be tricked into being productive.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 17, 2016, 03:03:11 PM
The corporate world of work sure stunts creativity. I'm gonna have to scrounge for writing time now.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Peat on August 17, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Raptori opens document.

Reads through plan for next scene.

Nothing.

Ponders for a while.

Reads previous paragraphs.

Ponders some more.

Still nothing.

Puts on a different song.

Discovers that that makes no difference.

Reads a little further back in the story.

Tries to picture what is supposed to happen.

Doesn't work.

Reads the entire story so far, including plan for remainder of story.

Wonders why his brain is not working.

Sighs.

Closes document.

 :-[

Personally I find mindless physical activity to be the key to breaking through these moments. Walk, clean dishes, sweep, whatever - something that gets me moving gets my brain moving, and from there I start to make break throughs.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 17, 2016, 03:24:33 PM
Raptori opens document.

Reads through plan for next scene.

Nothing.

Ponders for a while.

Reads previous paragraphs.

Ponders some more.

Still nothing.

Puts on a different song.

Discovers that that makes no difference.

Reads a little further back in the story.

Tries to picture what is supposed to happen.

Doesn't work.

Reads the entire story so far, including plan for remainder of story.

Wonders why his brain is not working.

Sighs.

Closes document.

 :-[

Personally I find mindless physical activity to be the key to breaking through these moments. Walk, clean dishes, sweep, whatever - something that gets me moving gets my brain moving, and from there I start to make break throughs.
Yeah that definitely helps, but it does also come with its own problems. Since we have a husky, "going for a walk" tends to be a 1-2 hour long activity, so by the time you get home and can write stuff down you'll have forgotten half of what you came up with!  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Peat on August 17, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
Go walking with a dictophone?

Well, that or learn to love doing the dishes :P
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Raptori on August 17, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
Go walking with a dictophone?
That would require buying a dictophone!  :P

Well, that or learn to love doing the dishes :p
NEVER!  >:(

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 18, 2016, 08:01:52 AM
Well, that or learn to love doing the dishes :p
NEVER!  >:(

I happen to love doing dishes!  Something about the warm water on my hands (and the fact that doing dishes means I actually have time to do dishes which means I've got a moment of pause...) just really calms me.

For me, I need an emotional trigger to write. I need to go out into the world and witness something harrowing or heartbreaking or funny.  Surprisingly it doesn't take long to find those things in LA, like a few secs of peoplewatching, a convo with a homeless woman, listening to people talk on the train.  Or watch a documentary or re-watch my favorite scenes from Stranger Things when Winona Ryder is trying to talk to her son.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 18, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
Yesterday, I announced I would wake up at 5 and do some writing.
Woke up at 5:15. Got downstairs and in a position to write by 5:45.

It's 6:45.
These are the first words I've written.
 :'( :'( :'(

Oh, sing a dirge and prayer for me.
Shed a tear in sympathy.
Lazy media blather brain.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Peat on August 18, 2016, 02:32:02 PM
Mr Darewood is onto something with the emotional triggers I think. It resonates with what often gets me going.

Now here is my prayer for Jmack

Our Muse in Heaven
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Your writing come
Your visions done
On paper as it is in our heads
Give us this day our daily words.
Forgive us our doubts
as we forgive those who doubt us.
Lead us not into procrastination
but deliver us from waste.
For thine is the writing,
And the edits and the story
For ever and ever.

(http://364daysofthanksgiving.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/amen.jpg)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on August 18, 2016, 05:05:43 PM
Mr Darewood is onto something with the emotional triggers I think. It resonates with what often gets me going.

Now here is my prayer for Jmack

Our Muse in Heaven
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Your writing come
Your visions done
On paper as it is in our heads
Give us this day our daily words.
Forgive us our doubts
as we forgive those who doubt us.
Lead us not into procrastination
but deliver us from waste.
For thine is the writing,
And the edits and the story
For ever and ever.

(http://364daysofthanksgiving.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/amen.jpg)

Amen!
And thank you for your prayers.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on August 18, 2016, 10:23:33 PM
I really need to sit down and sort through the scraps of ideas, some quite long and quite short, and see what takes my fancy.

Too many ideas floating atm.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SugoiMe on August 23, 2016, 05:19:24 AM
Instead of using my smidgeon of free time to get some editing done, I decided to post in the FF forums. I'm starting to fight through bus sickness on the commute to work and get some stuff done that way. Not today, though.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Amaranth on August 31, 2016, 02:23:31 PM
Six weeks off from work (I'm a teaching assistant don't get excited) full of productive writing. Go back to work tomorrow and already it's 'No...i had so much unfinished business. I'll write in a minute, i've got to do XYZ first!'
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on September 09, 2016, 03:55:02 PM
So I was told yesterday that I will not get anywhere if I don't stop reading.  At first I was like, pfft. Then realized I have a stack of 9 books on my bedside table, usually two books going at any given time. I had to take a long hard look at that. Turns out she(my wife) is right after giving it some thought. I have been using reading as an excuse not to keep writing consistently. Truth hurts sometimes. I think I have been afraid of the first draft after spending two years writing my first book that was, lets just say the truth here, terrible.

So I think I will slow down my reading quite a bit and start utilizing that time for writing. Time to be a big boy, I reckon.

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on September 09, 2016, 06:04:14 PM
I have been using reading as an excuse not to keep writing consistently. Truth hurts sometimes. I think I have been afraid of the first draft after spending two years writing my first book that was, lets just say the truth here, terrible.

So I think I will slow down my reading quite a bit and start utilizing that time for writing. Time to be a big boy, I reckon.

Stop! I don't wanna hear it! It hurts! Stop!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: night_wrtr on September 09, 2016, 06:36:28 PM
I have been using reading as an excuse not to keep writing consistently. Truth hurts sometimes. I think I have been afraid of the first draft after spending two years writing my first book that was, lets just say the truth here, terrible.

So I think I will slow down my reading quite a bit and start utilizing that time for writing. Time to be a big boy, I reckon.

Stop! I don't wanna hear it! It hurts! Stop!

RIGHT?!?
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Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: The Gem Cutter on September 12, 2016, 09:28:09 PM
Seriously! So weird how something you were more or less happy with can be riddled with flaws.  :o

Tony Robbins (the motivational speaker guy) has a 10-item list for self-improvement. The first is "Raise your standards", and I think that applies here. What was good enough to keep the story moving becomes mediocre once you see where the journey goes/ends. Tolkien's "Leaf by Niggle" is really all about this, I suppose.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on September 12, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
See my problem is, despite the more writing I do, I don't feel like I'm actually getting any better. :P

Pretty obvious to me I'm not good enough, so sort of just doing it cos I want to atm. Even though I can't get myself to nail down one story again, just flitting between lots of different ideas and unable to settle.

And I still haven't revised my first draft "novel".
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on September 12, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
Writing what interests you is not the same as writing whatever comes to mind and not what I was implying. I'm just saying you should not be too judgemental of your own work as to whether it will interest people or not.

See my problem is, despite the more writing I do, I don't feel like I'm actually getting any better. :P

Pretty obvious to me I'm not good enough, so sort of just doing it cos I want to atm. Even though I can't get myself to nail down one story again, just flitting between lots of different ideas and unable to settle.

And I still haven't revised my first draft "novel".

Don't you find reading your old submissions a good way to tell you've progressed? I most certainly do!
Not really because I still do equally shit all the time :P

I think that's you being hard on yourself. We "plateau" in every single discipline that can be practised, but there are no good reasons for you to really not have improved from day one. You've read too much, critiqued/got critiqued too much, wrote too much for you to be writing as poorly as in the beginning! Maybe you should go and re-read your first sub!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on September 12, 2016, 10:48:15 PM
Well my Severance Sharp story definitely wasn't a high moment of my writing :P

I was pleased with my last entry in the potion contest though, and the alt pov fairy tale.

I will start revising/editing my finished 100k story though. Promise.  ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on September 13, 2016, 12:29:01 AM
I will start revising/editing my finished 100k story though. Promise.  ::)

I also said that back in January  ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on September 13, 2016, 12:29:46 AM
So how about a blog like The Martian, where your content is your book?  ;D
If only! He made a lot of money from that. I can't imagine Matt Damon playing any of my characters though.

I will start revising/editing my finished 100k story though. Promise.  ::)

I also said that back in January  ::)
God damn it Lanko.
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Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on September 13, 2016, 12:30:40 AM
So how about a blog like The Martian, where your content is your book?  ;D
If only! He made a lot of money from that. I can't imagine Matt Damon playing any of my characters though.

Just create one for him!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mr.J on September 13, 2016, 12:32:58 AM
So how about a blog like The Martian, where your content is your book?  ;D
If only! He made a lot of money from that. I can't imagine Matt Damon playing any of my characters though.

Just create one for him!
I'll just write someone asian for him to play...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on September 13, 2016, 01:00:42 AM
I will start revising/editing my finished 100k story though. Promise.  ::)

I also said that back in January  ::)
God damn it Lanko.
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Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Peat on September 13, 2016, 01:26:07 AM
I am very curious as to what Raptori thinks does work in terms of content.

Also, for all of you not editing your stuff... please get back to it. There is a huge amount of satisfaction in watching the promising become beautiful. Part of me thinks editing is the big dividing line between amateurs and pros in this game.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on September 13, 2016, 08:36:51 AM
Side note: @Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809), (or @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), when you get back from holidays), could you please move all these posts about writing blogs to a separate thread on the Writers Corner?
This is an extremely interesting and useful discussion, and it's getting lost to others (and to us, in a few months), stuck inside this thread.

:)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Eclipse on September 13, 2016, 08:49:01 AM
Stop forgetting Elfy Bea!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on September 13, 2016, 09:02:32 AM
Stop forgetting Elfy Bea!
:-[ :-[
Sorry @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153)!
He's right, I keep forgetting you're a mod too :-[
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Arry on September 13, 2016, 01:40:13 PM
Side note: @Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809), (or @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), when you get back from holidays), could you please move all these posts about writing blogs to a separate thread on the Writers Corner?
This is an extremely interesting and useful discussion, and it's getting lost to others (and to us, in a few months), stuck inside this thread.

:)

Done. If the new title isn't good, Raptori has the power to change it (or let me know). Also, apologies if any of the posts wound up in the wrong spot. There were some I debated which way to go, if you see any you want moved one way or the other just let me know. :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on September 13, 2016, 02:02:02 PM
Thanks a lot! :D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mehman on November 13, 2016, 12:26:54 AM
Well, to be honest, I didn't write a single word in my story. Zip, nada, nothing. I felt the looming spectre of writer's block floating above my shoulder for most of the day but I beat the horrid entity away by reading... I can't remember - some articles on the internet or some-such nonsense.

I woke up with self-doubt, that I cannot write, and seemed to have finished the day with the same thought. I don't know why my conscious mind can't stuff that doubt down into the hole where all my other worthless self-loathing goes and cover it with fertile dirt so that maybe one day it will grow into a beautiful tree. Ah well, I digress.

That doesn't mean my day was wasted (it was). What I had written over the past week was slotted into Scrivener so that I can see some progress in the coming weeks. All told, there are three scenes down. Out of three. And I'm redoing two of those three scenes. Will this ever end?

So, in summation, I copied and pasted old work into Scrivener. Hell, at least I did something. Woo hoo!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on November 13, 2016, 03:08:08 AM

Physical therapy is sooooooo time consuming  >:(

No writing today.  aaaaand way behind on grading papers for monday...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on November 13, 2016, 10:53:07 AM
A reminder of this post for those going through difficulties writing, or a pointer for the newbies (i.e. @Mehman):

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/writers-corner/the-'its-all-right'-blog-post-of-the-day/ (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/writers-corner/the-'its-all-right'-blog-post-of-the-day/)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Mehman on November 13, 2016, 06:16:57 PM
Cool deal! I'm off to go look at it, @ScarletBea!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on December 21, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
I haven't written anything in the last few months. In a few days, however, it's gonna be christmas holiday and I'll be free! I'm planning a new horror-genre short story then, and maybe some rewritings of my original novel. (The prologue mostly)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Matamelcan on February 09, 2017, 03:33:27 AM
Try the last 2 months.  Worst case of... I don't know.  Not Writer's block.  Ender's block?  I keep on going on useless tangents in my story, stupid side stories and stuff.  Can't keep to my main plotline... so damn annoying!

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Ryan Mueller on May 06, 2017, 08:13:40 PM
I haven't written for a while, but I am getting closer to publishing my first book. I'm also scared to hang around here because I'm in the Fantasy Faction pool of entries for the next Self-Published Fantasy Blog Off. If my book sucks, I'll never be able to show my face again.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on May 06, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
I haven't written for a while, but I am getting closer to publishing my first book. I'm also scared to hang around here because I'm in the Fantasy Faction pool of entries for the next Self-Published Fantasy Blog Off. If my book sucks, I'll never be able to show my face again.

Got 're dun, Ryan! And don't mind us. If your book sucks, we'll just compare it to "Twilight".  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Ryan Mueller on May 06, 2017, 11:18:24 PM
I haven't written for a while, but I am getting closer to publishing my first book. I'm also scared to hang around here because I'm in the Fantasy Faction pool of entries for the next Self-Published Fantasy Blog Off. If my book sucks, I'll never be able to show my face again.

Got 're dun, Ryan! And don't mind us. If your book sucks, we'll just compare it to "Twilight".  ;D

Maybe I shouldn't have included those sparkling vampires...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Nora on May 07, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
Wrote 2,600 words... In a mail to Lanko recommending various books. Talk about productivity.

 :-X

Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lanko on May 07, 2017, 01:30:33 AM
Wrote 2,600 words... In a mail to Lanko recommending various books. Talk about productivity.

 :-X

She's not exaggerating, it was really long, but really appreciated. My reading hangover is so bad that I think this mail was the longest time I spent reading something these past weeks  ::)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on June 01, 2017, 02:05:13 PM

So instead of writing fun fantasy stuff, like my submission for Guns and Dragons or the writing contest or my WIP... I've been slaving away on this heaping pile of BS:

Fuelling Dissent: Tales of Resistance to Oil and Gas from the Grassroots

In 1998 the Chevron-constructed Refinery of Esmeraldas exploded, and an Afro-Ecuadorian neighborhood was engulfed in fire.  Children dove into the river to escape the flames only to be drowned in crude being pumped into the river by the broken refinery.  Years later, acid rain and wastewater continued to leave the community covered in oozing sores, fighting illnesses, enduring miscarriages, facing death.  My first day in Esmeraldas I attended a protest.  A mass of people had crowded around me, covered in oozing sores, telling me graphic stories of petroleum-related illness and death that had befallen their community.  A woman grabbed my arm. “Tell them,” she said, “tell them what is happening here.”

The story of the fire in Esmeraldas begins at the other end of that pipeline, where indigenous communities, once left to their own devices deep in the Amazon, made contact with oil companies.  Spears of Shuar warriors fell to the promises of wealth in the 1950s, but soon they found themselves locked in a desperate decades-long battle for the survival of their way of life.  The story continues north to south Los Angeles, one of the largest goods-movement hubs in the United States.  Sandwiched between a row of refineries and the ports, illnesses in south LA intensify each year. Diesel rail, boats, trucks, and smokestacks leave the air brown as soup, and life expectancies 10 years less than wealthy parts of LA.  Environmentalists champion natural gas as alternative. Yet miles away in Indonesia, ExxonMobil’s LNG operation fuels a bloody civil war in Aceh.

Fuelling Dissent follows the interwoven stories of the people who pay the price for our energy, but it doesn’t stop there.  Sarayaku President Jose Gualingua, hidden deep in the Amazon, Jose Luis Guebara, trapped his prison cell in Esmeraldas, Jesse Marquez, living in his son’s garage in Los Angeles, and Dahlan, caught between the military and the rebels in Indonesia, have been fighting for decades to change the system that has ravaged their communities. They each face unique challenges, and are driven by unique dreams. Woven together, their alternative histories paint pictures of alternative futures, and their insightful strategies draw a roadmap for how to get there.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on June 01, 2017, 10:57:07 PM

So instead of writing fun fantasy stuff, like my submission for Guns and Dragons or the writing contest or my WIP... I've been slaving away on this heaping pile of BS:

Fuelling Dissent: Tales of Resistance to Oil and Gas from the Grassroots

In 1998 the Chevron-constructed Refinery of Esmeraldas exploded, and an Afro-Ecuadorian neighborhood was engulfed in fire.  Children dove into the river to escape the flames only to be drowned in crude being pumped into the river by the broken refinery.  Years later, acid rain and wastewater continued to leave the community covered in oozing sores, fighting illnesses, enduring miscarriages, facing death.  My first day in Esmeraldas I attended a protest.  A mass of people had crowded around me, covered in oozing sores, telling me graphic stories of petroleum-related illness and death that had befallen their community.  A woman grabbed my arm. “Tell them,” she said, “tell them what is happening here.”

The story of the fire in Esmeraldas begins at the other end of that pipeline, where indigenous communities, once left to their own devices deep in the Amazon, made contact with oil companies.  Spears of Shuar warriors fell to the promises of wealth in the 1950s, but soon they found themselves locked in a desperate decades-long battle for the survival of their way of life.  The story continues north to south Los Angeles, one of the largest goods-movement hubs in the United States.  Sandwiched between a row of refineries and the ports, illnesses in south LA intensify each year. Diesel rail, boats, trucks, and smokestacks leave the air brown as soup, and life expectancies 10 years less than wealthy parts of LA.  Environmentalists champion natural gas as alternative. Yet miles away in Indonesia, ExxonMobil’s LNG operation fuels a bloody civil war in Aceh.

Fuelling Dissent follows the interwoven stories of the people who pay the price for our energy, but it doesn’t stop there.  Sarayaku President Jose Gualingua, hidden deep in the Amazon, Jose Luis Guebara, trapped his prison cell in Esmeraldas, Jesse Marquez, living in his son’s garage in Los Angeles, and Dahlan, caught between the military and the rebels in Indonesia, have been fighting for decades to change the system that has ravaged their communities. They each face unique challenges, and are driven by unique dreams. Woven together, their alternative histories paint pictures of alternative futures, and their insightful strategies draw a roadmap for how to get there.

Yikes. That stuff is... important.  :-[ >:(
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on June 02, 2017, 12:17:12 AM
Not as important a cleaning the toilet apparently.  I did that twice even though the book treatment is due today....
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 02, 2017, 04:24:32 AM
To be honest, I didn't even reach the end... :o
How do you manage??
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on June 02, 2017, 05:01:29 AM
That is important, and please accept respect for what you do, Bradley. No wonder you get exhausted and stressed, hope you will get a few breaks soon.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on June 02, 2017, 05:36:04 AM
Thanks @Lady_Ty --

It's more what I do *to* myself than what I do.  I still have my day job and this is a treatment for a publishing contract but academic books pay... like basically nothing.  So it's sort of like torturing yourself for the small chance undergraduates somewhere might be assigned to read your book which they won't because they had a tanning appointment or a frat party to go to but they'll try to guess what it was about based upon chapter headings and the book blurb for the assigned essay or test.

To be honest, I didn't even reach the end... :o
How do you manage??

Toilet cleaning and fantasy, Scarlet :)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Stew Hotston on August 07, 2017, 10:40:53 PM
Hmmm. About 1,400 which is about average. Takes me about an hour (which is basically my commute)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on August 07, 2017, 11:01:28 PM
Hmmm. About 1,400 which is about average. Takes me about an hour (which is basically my commute)
I think you might have mixed the 2 threads, @Stew Hotston ;D
This one is for what you did NOT write...
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Stew Hotston on August 08, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
@ScarletBea oops! In that case I'll endeavour to do something, anything, except write today.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: AmeliaFaulkner on September 26, 2017, 11:56:30 AM
I have avoided writing anything for months now, thanks to RSI. From too much writing.

Can't win!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Ryan Mueller on October 09, 2017, 12:28:37 AM
I haven't written much for a while now. I'm in the midst of lots of editing and lots of work for school. Soon I'm going to update Empire of Chains with a few tweaks to the dialogue that will hopefully make it better. Then the second book in the series, The Shadowed Land, is almost ready. I just have a proofread left to do.

After that, I'll probably move on to editing Sunweaver, the first book in another series. It is mostly edited, so it won't require too many passes.

Yeah, I may not be writing, but I'm still making progress.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Sgtwolf01 on October 30, 2017, 10:22:03 AM
Good God I don't remember the last time I wrote for a story, I mean I have been doing lots of writing this week, but it's been all for work and not story writing. I'd like to get back into it, but irl isn't being too kind to me right now, time wise at least.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on November 02, 2017, 07:36:39 AM
Haven't had a single inspirational idea, lest even write anything, in the past three months. How long will the writer block continued, I wonder? 
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Peat on November 07, 2017, 07:52:26 PM
Haven't had a single inspirational idea, lest even write anything, in the past three months. How long will the writer block continued, I wonder?

Have you tried to break the block, or are you content to let it run its course?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on November 08, 2017, 08:33:18 AM
Haven't had a single inspirational idea, lest even write anything, in the past three months. How long will the writer block continued, I wonder?

Have you tried to break the block, or are you content to let it run its course?

I let it run its course. Now, thinking back to it, I think it is not just a block but also an ultimate loss of interest on my part. I'm glad to have that figured out. Everything is subject to change, I reckon.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Peat on November 11, 2017, 09:10:57 AM
Haven't had a single inspirational idea, lest even write anything, in the past three months. How long will the writer block continued, I wonder?

Have you tried to break the block, or are you content to let it run its course?

I let it run its course. Now, thinking back to it, I think it is not just a block but also an ultimate loss of interest on my part. I'm glad to have that figured out. Everything is subject to change, I reckon.

There's a lot to be said for taking a break from time to time. As long as you're happy with the situation, all is good.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: SarahW on November 30, 2017, 08:22:41 AM
Specifically for what I've not written, it's self-doubt about measuring up to my last fantasy story: O Raphael.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Norman Gray on December 08, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
Oh good, a 'complain about your lack of productivity' thread! Well, since I'm not writing anything else. . .

I've reached a point where I've nearly forgotten what it's like to be productive. Years ago, I'd thought that writer's block wasn't real; that it was just an excuse made up by the lazy and unimaginative. Writing was as easy as breathing; I couldn't stop even if I wanted to, my brain churning out new ideas every waking moment. Even in my sleep I was writing, dreaming up things my conscious mind had never imagined. I thought I was unstoppable. . .

Oh, how naive I was.

Unfortunately the desire to be a storyteller never dies, even when your creative spark does. What I'd do to regain the enthusiasm I once had for writing, and the ability to piece together a story. This was more than just my passion; it was my identity. It defined me. If I had to sum up who I was in a single word, it would have to be 'writer.'

But now? Now I have no words. No definition. I'm a blank page.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on December 10, 2017, 10:01:36 AM

Haha my writer's block is called "editing"

Though I just got my new computer so soon it will be called "skyrim"!!!
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on January 09, 2018, 04:16:17 AM

So yeah, I should have been writing for the last two hours but instead...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOeqZBpmyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSENH3FE2As
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Ryan Mueller on March 25, 2018, 12:24:58 AM
I haven't written much of anything since this semester started. I've done a little editing, but not nearly as much as I'd like of that either.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Lady Ty on March 28, 2018, 03:38:56 AM
Dear friends
If you haven't written much today, take heart. Sean Penn has been working very hard has written a book.
Here are a few samples of his prose style-


“Hence, his life remains incessantly infused with her identity-infidelity, and her abhorrent ascensions to those constant salacious sessions of sexual solitaire she’d seen as self-regard.” ? page 11

“Whenever he felt these collisions of incubus and succubus, he punched his way out of the proletariat with the purposeful inputting of covert codes, thereby drawing distraction through Scottsdale deployments, dodging the ambush of innocents astray, evading the viscount vogue of Viagratic assaults on virtual vaginas, or worse, falling passively into prosaic pastimes.” ? page 36

“Behind decorative gabion walls, an elderly neighbor sits centurion on his porch watching Bob with surreptitious soupçon.” ? page 71

“While the privileged patronize this pickle as epithet to the epigenetic inequality of equals, Bob smells a cyber-assisted assault emboldened by right-brain Hollywood narcissists.” ? page 99

I have no words.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: ScarletBea on March 28, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
 :o :o :o
ohmygawd
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CameronJohnston on March 28, 2018, 08:48:36 AM
...I have no words (apparently Sean Penn has taken them all)
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on March 28, 2018, 11:04:19 AM

Wow.
Such whimsical yet wizardly wordsmithing of words mis-worded-- grandiose grandiloquence, well-meaning yet not meaning what was meant in said word's dictionary entry, mangled into the semblance of poetry's devices if not its function in serendipitous sinuous and seemingly-unending sentences.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: dinogenetics on May 03, 2018, 07:51:26 PM
I've got this ulnar nerve compression going on in my left arm that is causing a sharp pain in my wrist as well as my pinkie and ring finger to go numb. Driving me nuts for the past two weeks! Makes writing, doing my day job, and writing while at my day job very aggravating.  ;D
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: JMack on June 21, 2018, 01:19:30 AM
The frame for chapter 2 of my WIP has been eluding me. I had so much fun writing chapter 1 (a lot of pantsing going on), and now I have to carry at least some of that into what is much more of a set up chapter before things gets mysterious in ch 3, decisions in ch 4, and then (hopefully) cracking along.

But the delay is forcing me to get much clearer about world and characters and giving me a chance to brainstorm opportunities. So, it’s all good.
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: Egg on January 20, 2019, 09:06:18 PM
Is this the writer's block support thread, or is that found somewhere else?
Title: Re: Avoiding writing, or: How many words didn't you write today?
Post by: CameronJohnston on January 21, 2019, 12:42:39 PM
Is this the writer's block support thread, or is that found somewhere else?

@Egg This is a general this-thing-is-why-I-haven't-written-today sort of place. So it would definitely qualify. For me, real life has just been grinding me down so I've been too drained to write much this last week :\