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Title: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 09, 2014, 10:15:09 AM
*Shamelessly steals the title of a defunct SFX forum thread*

I thought it would be interesting to have a thread to discuss our adventures in writing, where we can discuss submissions to magazines or anthologies, contests, any good news or acceptances etc.

I'll start by saying that this week I have had a short story accepted by The Lovecraft Ezine, and I am currently trying to come up with some submissions for the Apex magazine 'Steal the Spotlight Micro Fiction Contest' for Halloween. Apex is a professional-pay magazine, very good exposure, and the contest has 5 categories for 250-word submissions: Sea monsters, black dog/Hellhounds, banshees, science experiments gone wrong, and demons (this can include wendigos, succubus, be creative). It closes October 15th so get cracking!
Link:
http://www.apex-magazine.com/apex-magazine-presents-steal-the-spotlight-micro-fiction-contest/
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: sennydreadful on October 09, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
Congrats on the story acceptance, Cameron! :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 09, 2014, 11:09:05 AM
Congrats on the story acceptance, Cameron! :)
Thanks Jen :) Have had a good year with regards to short stories. *Glares at all the rejection emails they each accrued*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on October 09, 2014, 03:51:29 PM
like wine, a good story improves with each rejection.  :D possibly.

definitely congrats though!

meanwhile, back at the ranch, i just came in under the 3k word limit for the sixth StoryQuest contest with a kinda steampunky piece i'm really rather happy with. in case anybody else is interested, the closing date on this isn't until the end of October: http://sqmag.com/story-quest-contest/ (http://sqmag.com/story-quest-contest/)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: sennydreadful on October 09, 2014, 06:09:19 PM
Congrats on the story acceptance, Cameron! :)
Thanks Jen :) Have had a good year with regards to short stories. *Glares at all the rejection emails they each accrued*

Well done! This has probably been my quietest year for short stories (also I can't believe it's October already)

I get the ms for THE IRON GHOST back tomorrow for my final read-through. Last chance to spot typos or change anything. 0_0 Always a bit scary
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 13, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Phew, taking a break between novel drafts to work on a short story or two. Feel a bit rusty going back to short-form.
Just heard than one of my long-delayed stories should be coming out mid-December, everything going well.

Has anybody here been submitting novels to agents/publishers, or have most people on the forum gone straight for the self-publishing route?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on November 13, 2014, 11:39:18 AM
likewise with the rusty, though i did manage to bash out a 750-word epic space opera flash-fic in less than two hours intended for the Jurassic Stocking Stuffer. it got rejected (though with a smile), but it was massive fun to write, & i've sent it elsewhere already. sometimes having a short deadline helps focus the mind :)

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 13, 2014, 12:01:16 PM
Ach, I didn't get anything in the Apex Halloween competition either and got another short story rejection back the other week (resubmitted elsewhere yet again). Having a deadline does seem to help in getting the words down though! I am trying to get this latest short story down quickly and sent off out into the cruel world  before I delve back into next draft of my novel.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Nyki Blatchley on November 13, 2014, 01:24:40 PM
I've been having a short story submission splurge - in the past week I've subbed to Beneath Ceaseless Skies, Clarkesworld, Strange Horizons, Apex, Uncanny, Another Dimension & Fantastic Stories of the Imagination.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on November 13, 2014, 02:24:56 PM
good luck with them!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 13, 2014, 02:59:35 PM
I've been having a short story submission splurge - in the past week I've subbed to Beneath Ceaseless Skies, Clarkesworld, Strange Horizons, Apex, Uncanny, Another Dimension & Fantastic Stories of the Imagination.

Yikes, that's a lot. Good luck with them.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on November 14, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
Just to answer the "anyone else submitting to trad-pub route" question: I'm at the tail end of one last gasp of querying my first novel (an agent pointed out some offer-blocking concerns that resonate with my own uncertainties, so I've finally accepted the move-on-and-improve method, though I may one day come back to fix; it's still out with a couple of other agents, but I'm not hopeful). I finished a draft of the next novel in mid-October, so I'm NaNo-ing a new project as a brain-gap between that and commencing some serious edits in December. The plan is to be ready to query that novel in Feb/March next year.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Elfy on November 14, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
Just to answer the "anyone else submitting to trad-pub route" question: I'm at the tail end of one last gasp of querying my first novel (an agent pointed out some offer-blocking concerns that resonate with my own uncertainties, so I've finally accepted the move-on-and-improve method, though I may one day come back to fix; it's still out with a couple of other agents, but I'm not hopeful). I finished a draft of the next novel in mid-October, so I'm NaNo-ing a new project as a brain-gap between that and commencing some serious edits in December. The plan is to be ready to query that novel in Feb/March next year.
I know how you feel. I tried this with one of mine and met a giant wall of indifference. I've kind of shelved the idea of getting published for the moment, but will have another go in the new year. If I still can't make any headway I may actually self publish that particular book just to get it out there and because I still  think the idea has legs and may interest someone out there. I'd be happy if I could get one sale to someone who was not either a family member or a friend.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Carter on November 29, 2014, 03:47:48 PM
For the first time ever I've had a short story accepted and now published.  It's over at Swords and Sorcery Magazine and I've been rather excited at the prospect of it going up for the past week.  Now I'll just have to move on to another story or three.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Elfy on November 29, 2014, 10:27:47 PM
For the first time ever I've had a short story accepted and now published.  It's over at Swords and Sorcery Magazine and I've been rather excited at the prospect of it going up for the past week.  Now I'll just have to move on to another story or three.
Congratulations, Carter. Great news. Thoroughly deserved.
I entered my novel in a 'next big thing in YA' promoted that Hatchette down here had going for unaccented submissions. The initial release said that if you hadn't heard anything by November then they were unlikely to be interested. Then last week I got an email from them saying that they it had been so well received that they were extending their response date until Jan if they were interested. I still doubt I'll hear anything, I think I've written something that the wider publishing world simply isn't interested in. However I still really like it and cracked the 80,000 word barrier on the 4th Realmspace novel (Butterfly Effect) a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on November 30, 2014, 12:33:24 AM
Congratulations Carter, - and hang on in there Elfy. 80k is a damned good milestone too.

I had a story out at a themed contest, and heard back yesterday morning - good, and in the last 25, but no further than that. Darn. Off to find another market...
Title: AW: Adventures in Writing
Post by: xiagan on November 30, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
Congrats, Carter! Great to hear. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 03, 2014, 09:25:33 AM
For the first time ever I've had a short story accepted and now published.  It's over at Swords and Sorcery Magazine and I've been rather excited at the prospect of it going up for the past week.  Now I'll just have to move on to another story or three.
Congratulations Carter! Such a good feeling to get that encouragement of a first sale - I know that for me it was reassuring I wasn't writing complete rubbish :p
Now you just have to work on getting more stories out there :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 03, 2014, 09:27:21 AM
Congratulations Carter, - and hang on in there Elfy. 80k is a damned good milestone too.

I had a story out at a themed contest, and heard back yesterday morning - good, and in the last 25, but no further than that. Darn. Off to find another market...

Argh, yes, I have had a few stories shortlisted before only to just miss the cut. In one way it's a good feeling, and on the other...grr.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Elfy on December 03, 2014, 09:50:16 PM
The story I wrote for the June story contest here: Life and Death, was published on the front page of the site earlier this week, so that was nice to see.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on December 04, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
Elwy, I just went back and read Life and death.  Wow.  That was a really sharp, fun read.  Congrats.  I can look, but did it win The June contest?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: xiagan on December 04, 2014, 01:30:55 PM
Elwy, I just went back and read Life and death.  Wow.  That was a really sharp, fun read.  Congrats.  I can look, but did it win The June contest?
Yep, it did. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Elfy on December 04, 2014, 08:47:06 PM
Elwy, I just went back and read Life and death.  Wow.  That was a really sharp, fun read.  Congrats.  I can look, but did it win The June contest?
Thank you very much, and yes as Xiagan confirmed it did win the June contest. I finished my first draft of Butterfly Effect yesterday, it comes in at just under 85,000 words, but I still have to edit and add in the 'gnomic utterances' at the beginnings of the chapters.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 25, 2015, 09:39:03 AM
Oh balls. I keep finding out about upcoming Anthologies too late to write something for them. Would have loved to try writing something for the Swords Vs Cthulhu anthology, closing March 1st.

Just heard that I should have 2 short stories coming out next month, one of which will also have custom artwork (always nice). I must get busy writing more shorts once I finish off this novel (1 more month) and start the nerve-wracking process of sending it out.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on February 25, 2015, 10:31:56 AM
Yay! Nice to hear that!

My own WIP, set on a narrowboat, is proceeding at roughly the same pace as a narrowboat. Hoping that a trip out to a few canal-based locations next week will give me a boost...
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 25, 2015, 01:37:23 PM
I often wonder how many people take excursions like that to help their writing of particular scenes and settings.
Looking forward to seeing your cover-reveal for The Heir to the North this weekend :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on February 25, 2015, 01:50:52 PM
thank you :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on March 24, 2015, 08:22:29 AM
Has anybody thought of submitting something to the Writers of the Future competition? It would seem like a good opportunity for newer writers, but some see it as problematic due to the association with L Ron Hubbard.

Also, just had a short story accepted by Sword & Sorcery magazine, pleased it has found a good home but now I need to get working on writing more as the cupboard is now bare.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on March 24, 2015, 10:46:29 AM
Has anybody thought of submitting something to the Writers of the Future competition? It would seem like a good opportunity for newer writers, but some see it as problematic due to the association with L Ron Hubbard.

Also, just had a short story accepted by Sword & Sorcery magazine, pleased it has found a good home but now I need to get working on writing more as the cupboard is now bare.
Congrats, Cameron!
Hadn't heard of WotF, but interesting that abbreviating as I just did reminds me of WTF! which is about what I'd say to anything assc'd with LRH.    ;)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Raptori on March 24, 2015, 10:47:42 AM
Has anybody thought of submitting something to the Writers of the Future competition? It would seem like a good opportunity for newer writers, but some see it as problematic due to the association with L Ron Hubbard.

Also, just had a short story accepted by Sword & Sorcery magazine, pleased it has found a good home but now I need to get working on writing more as the cupboard is now bare.
Nice one, congrats!

I remember looking into WotF a while ago, haven't thought about it since. Seemed like a pretty good competition though, might take another look at it :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on March 24, 2015, 11:40:38 AM
WotF pays a *lot* in both $$ and exposure (especially for non-professional/up-coming writers), and a free and glitzy trip to the US. I know they keep saying there is a firewall between Scientology and WotF and that a lot of very recognizable SF names are involved, but...yeah. Still, no harm in submitting I guess, they are hardly going to force you to convert or anything.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on March 24, 2015, 11:54:23 AM
WotF pays a *lot* in both $$ and exposure (especially for non-professional/up-coming writers), and a free and glitzy trip to the US. I know they keep saying there is a firewall between Scientology and WotF and that a lot of very recognizable SF names are involved, but...yeah. Still, no harm in submitting I guess, they are hardly going to force you to convert or anything.
Actually, it does look pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 24, 2015, 01:05:24 PM
Has anybody thought of submitting something to the Writers of the Future competition? It would seem like a good opportunity for newer writers, but some see it as problematic due to the association with L Ron Hubbard.

Also, just had a short story accepted by Sword & Sorcery magazine, pleased it has found a good home but now I need to get working on writing more as the cupboard is now bare.
WotF pays a *lot* in both $$ and exposure (especially for non-professional/up-coming writers), and a free and glitzy trip to the US. I know they keep saying there is a firewall between Scientology and WotF and that a lot of very recognizable SF names are involved, but...yeah. Still, no harm in submitting I guess, they are hardly going to force you to convert or anything.
Congratulations!

I have thought about submitting something to the WotF, but sadly I'm not quite proficient enough at writing to really consider it. I Didn't know there was a Scientology connection, but that makes no difference to me: Submitting something to a contest doesn't make me a Scientologist. I hope.  ???
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Raptori on March 24, 2015, 01:23:31 PM
Incidentally, the WotF site is completely broken for me  :-\
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on March 24, 2015, 01:50:19 PM
Incidentally, the WotF site is completely broken for me  :-\
Yeah, pretty much crap. I did manage to trial-and-error my way to the rules and submission directions by scrolling all the way to the bottom of the home page and the links on the far right.
Here are the rules:
http://www.writersofthefuture.com/contest-rules-writers/ (http://www.writersofthefuture.com/contest-rules-writers/)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Raptori on March 24, 2015, 02:40:10 PM
Incidentally, the WotF site is completely broken for me  :-\
Yeah, pretty much crap. I did manage to trial-and-error my way to the rules and submission directions by scrolling all the way to the bottom of the home page and the links on the far right.
Here are the rules:
http://www.writersofthefuture.com/contest-rules-writers/ (http://www.writersofthefuture.com/contest-rules-writers/)
Thanks, I managed to find that page via google :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: wakarimasen on March 25, 2015, 05:41:29 PM
So do many folks on here get stuff published in some of the SF/F mags or sites?
As words from the wise... Where would I start if I wanted to look at doing that?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Yora on April 21, 2015, 09:13:45 PM
I haven't released a single story yet, but I am already getting fan mail.  ;D Primarily by people from the forum where I post my worldbuilding stuff and exchange ideas with others. A lot of it is actually just "Hey, I don't really have much to say, but I like your stuff and think you have really great ideas", but when people make the effort to tell you just that, it's still highly motivating.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on April 21, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
I haven't released a single story yet, but I am already getting fan mail.  ;D Primarily by people from the forum where I post my worldbuilding stuff and exchange ideas with others. A lot of it is actually just "Hey, I don't really have much to say, but I like your stuff and think you have really great ideas", but when people make the effort to tell you just that, it's still highly motivating.
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) is paying people to do this to distract you from the fact that my wife is planning world domination.
Er, wait, that makes no sense.

Actually, yay @Yora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=35236)! because you do have awesome fascinating ideas.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Yora on April 21, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
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Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 22, 2015, 10:39:56 AM
So do many folks on here get stuff published in some of the SF/F mags or sites?
As words from the wise... Where would I start if I wanted to look at doing that?

Some people are working away trying achieve that, some of us are published in magazines, and some of of us also have full novels published. It makes for a good pool of information and experience :)

We have a handy thread on the forum with links to various magazines and resources if you want to try sending your stories out to get published:
http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/open-for-submissions/magazine-directory-for-submissions/
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 25, 2015, 10:25:55 AM
My first pro-rate story is being published by Shimmer next week.

Having read through the proof and seen the beautiful writing my story sits alongside, I'm really pleased. Excite!

Seems to me that the market for short science fiction is a lot larger than fantasy. Could be way off the mark here, but that's my impression. This is a frustration as fantasy is very much my bag, whereas science fiction feels like a bag I've borrowed and I like but it's not really mine, y'know?

Getting fan mail must be lovely, Yora!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Michael Sullivan on April 25, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
My first pro-rate story is being published by Shimmer next week.

What is "pro-rate" these days?  I'm going to be doing a contest where I'll add a short story to my next released novel to give a new author some exposure and I want to make sure they are well compensated.  I've heard it's $0.07 which seems really low.  The amount I'm paying is $0.15 a word - does that seem reasonable?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Carter on April 25, 2015, 02:24:59 PM
My first pro-rate story is being published by Shimmer next week.

Congratulations!  That must be a ridiculously good feeling. 

As for the science fiction/fantasy market goes, I know what you mean.  But hey, I just write what I like and see if any will buy it later - mostly fantasy as well but I forage elsewhere when the story demands it.  Besides, the balance has to change sometime, right?

What is "pro-rate" these days?  I'm going to be doing a contest where I'll add a short story to my next released novel to give a new author some exposure and I want to make sure they are well compensated.  I've heard it's $0.07 which seems really low.  The amount I'm paying is $0.15 a word - does that seem reasonable?

To qualify as a pro-market for the SFWA it stands at $0.06 per word.  Somehow I doubt many people can object to you paying above that!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 25, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
$0.06?! It used to be $0.05! Maybe I haven't made my first pro-rate sale after all...  :-\

Still, yes. A fantastic feeling. I agree absolutely - Write what you like to write and the masses will come in their droves, throwing coin at you, praising the ground upon which you walk, and singing hymns to your name. That's what I tell myself anyway... it'll happen one day.

$0.15 a word is an excellent rate. I don't think there are many markets that offer that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Carter on April 25, 2015, 10:42:21 PM
$0.06?! It used to be $0.05! Maybe I haven't made my first pro-rate sale after all...  :-\

I'd still take it.  I haven't even got a per word sale, let alone $0.05.  In fact, I've only sold a solitary story so what do I know?

Now excuse me while I go and find a surgeon to extract this foot from my mouth . . .
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 26, 2015, 03:43:27 PM
Please don't get me wrong - I'm still delighted. :) Got my authors copy through last night which was very exciting!

I really need to get something else finished but life is just so full.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 27, 2015, 08:27:13 AM
SFWA qualifying markets are generally acknowledged as pro-pay, currently sitting at $0.06 a word but then it's not all about the money; lots of highly regarded magazines pay less. Also, seeing illustrations of your stories is a weird but great feeling. Not so sure about the audio adaptions though, I find it hard to listen to those.

JRTroughton - Shimmer is a really great magazine to be in, so good going getting a story in there! :)
Michael Sullivan - $0.15 is a very generous rate of pay. Only a handful of places pay that much for a story.

As for me, I just sent my finished novel out to its first agent slushpile. We shall see if somebody picks it up. Eep.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 27, 2015, 08:20:21 PM
As for me, I just sent my finished novel out to its first agent slushpile. We shall see if somebody picks it up. Eep.
Congrats and good luck!

I will die of happiness the day someone does artwork for one of my fantasy stories. Was secretly and selfishly hoping Shimmer would pick my story to produce some artwork for, due to the numerous descriptions of monsters, but it was not to be.

And, yup. Absolutely not about the money. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on May 29, 2015, 03:04:42 PM
Well an agent enjoyed my novel partial (3 chapters) and requested I send in the full manuscript.
*watches email for next few weeks/months* *refreshes* *sighs*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Carter on June 01, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
Well an agent enjoyed my novel partial (3 chapters) and requested I send in the full manuscript.
*watches email for next few weeks/months* *refreshes* *sighs*

I can easily imagine how nervous that can be.  Congratulations for getting it that far at the very least and I hope it gets a lot further. 
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Elfy on June 02, 2015, 01:53:18 AM
Well an agent enjoyed my novel partial (3 chapters) and requested I send in the full manuscript.
*watches email for next few weeks/months* *refreshes* *sighs*
Well done, Cameron. I'd do the Snoopy dance if an agent ever showed that much interest in my work.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 02, 2015, 10:15:47 AM
I admit I was like, YES! - It's not total crap! :D Ah well, fingers crossed!

In other news, Victoria Schwab (Author of A Darker Shade of Magic, Vicious etc)?posted something interesting, a glimpse at what goes into making a book: https://twitter.com/veschwab/status/605388704895504385 (https://twitter.com/veschwab/status/605388704895504385)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGbF0WeUYAAJjsa.jpg:large)

Yes, that is track changes in Word, and this is only a small section of a novel. That's a lot of changes!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on July 16, 2015, 10:55:30 AM
So, the first agent I sent my novel off to got back to me about my novel. It's not a no (not exactly), but not a yes either. They suggested a number of changes to make it a stronger novel and then said they would be happy to take another look at it...
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on July 16, 2015, 11:08:50 AM
So, the first agent I sent my novel off to got back to me about my novel. It's not a no (not exactly), but not a yes either. They suggested a number of changes to make it a stronger novel and then said they would be happy to take another look at it...
That's progress, hey? Keep us posted, and I know our collective fingers are crossed for you.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: stevenpoore on July 16, 2015, 09:06:33 PM
Brilliant news, Cameron! And yes, I recognise Victoria Schwab's tracked changes - my novel's full edit had a whole chapter (deservedly) red-lined :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on July 16, 2015, 11:17:57 PM
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So, the first agent I sent my novel off to got back to me about my novel. It's not a no (not exactly), but not a yes either. They suggested a number of changes to make it a stronger novel and then said they would be happy to take another look at it...

That's really cool, actually. The fact that they liked it enough to even suggest changes is a really good sign! (I say this as someone who has done cold queries... it's not encouraging). Good luck!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 26, 2015, 08:51:05 AM
So how are you all getting on with your writing? Anything good happening to FF'ers?

As for my novel, in the first round of agent submissions I submitted to my top 3 dream agents: 1 no as the agent didn't love it and doesn't represent anything they don't love (mere like isn't enough), 1 "I'd look at it again if you made XYZ changes", and another Full Request has just come in. Pretty pleased with that. Meanwhile, during the wait to hear back, I'm working on another novel project and editing this one for resubmittion,

I think most people submit to more agents at once though, 5-10 or so,  then wait a while to see what feedback returns. If they don't even get past the query letter stage then there is clearly some issue there. If it doesn't get past the partial then perhaps their start needs strengthened etc.

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Saraband on August 26, 2015, 11:48:02 AM
So how are you all getting on with your writing? Anything good happening to FF'ers?

As for my novel, in the first round of agent submissions I submitted to my top 3 dream agents: 1 no as the agent didn't love it and doesn't represent anything they don't love (mere like isn't enough), 1 "I'd look at it again if you made XYZ changes", and another Full Request has just come in. Pretty pleased with that. Meanwhile, during thee wait to hear back, I'm working on another novel project and editing this one for resubmittion,

I think most people submit to more agents at once though, 5-10 or so,  then wait a while to see what feedback returns. If they don't even get past the query letter stage then there is clearly some issue there. If it doesn't get past the partial then perhaps their start needs strengthened etc.

That's great @CameronJohnston (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32633)! I've submitted a few times, and have received what seemed to be automatic responses, and a few that also mentioned specifically what they liked and what they didn't, which were the really helpful ones (obviously). I also received a publishing contract on my mail a few months ago, but it actually appeared to be a vanity press disguised as indie, and I decided not to go through with it after exchanging a few emails with them.

Good luck with agents #2 and #3  ;)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 26, 2015, 12:22:23 PM
So how are you all getting on with your writing? Anything good happening to FF'ers?

As for my novel, in the first round of agent submissions I submitted to my top 3 dream agents: 1 no as the agent didn't love it and doesn't represent anything they don't love (mere like isn't enough), 1 "I'd look at it again if you made XYZ changes", and another Full Request has just come in. Pretty pleased with that. Meanwhile, during thee wait to hear back, I'm working on another novel project and editing this one for resubmittion,

I think most people submit to more agents at once though, 5-10 or so,  then wait a while to see what feedback returns. If they don't even get past the query letter stage then there is clearly some issue there. If it doesn't get past the partial then perhaps their start needs strengthened etc.

That's great @CameronJohnston (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32633)! I've submitted a few times, and have received what seemed to be automatic responses, and a few that also mentioned specifically what they liked and what they didn't, which were the really helpful ones (obviously). I also received a publishing contract on my mail a few months ago, but it actually appeared to be a vanity press disguised as indie, and I decided not to go through with it after exchanging a few emails with them.

Good luck with agents #2 and #3  ;)

Argh, that must have been so disappointing when it turned out to be a vanity press :( So many people get fleeced by groups like that. Always good to check them out on Writer Beware: http://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ and places like the Absolute Write forum background check board: http://absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?22-Bewares-Recommendations-amp-Background-Check

It's no wonder most submissions get form rejections, but always appreciated when you get a personal rejection, when editors/agents give you a little feedback on why they didn't accept it, especially when they are stupidly busy people. Hope it finds a good home.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: incisron on August 28, 2015, 11:35:03 PM
Congrats, Cameron :).
I'm working on an all fairy version of Sleeping Beauty.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Phil Norris on August 30, 2015, 11:09:38 AM
Been member of the forum since 2012 and despite being a writer I've never ventured into this section before.

Nice thread (and glad to see my old thread from the SFX forum still lives on,on there I was Kahless who created it).

So where am I at. Despite having some early successes a few years ago and getting two shorts published in anthologies in the US I've been having a barren time of things of late. Had four shorts rejected from various outlets and been tied up working on a novel which has taken me away form the shortform.

Currently I'm working on a pilot script for the drama subs window on the BBC Writers Room that opens early September for a month. I have the first 30 mins done and the remaining 30 mapped out just need to knuckle down and finish it before September 24th.

I've also started posting a story on Wattpad, so far the prologue and first chapter are uo and I aim to post a chapter a week (time permitting). I've started a thread in the self published section if anyone wants to go check it out.

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/advertising-your-novels/gypsies-kiss-the-ballad-of-toby-jones-on-wattpad/


Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on August 31, 2015, 07:22:48 PM
Quote
So where am I at. Despite having some early successes a few years ago and getting two shorts published in anthologies in the US I've been having a barren time of things of late. Had four shorts rejected from various outlets and been tied up working on a novel which has taken me away form the shortform.

Four rejections is par for the course, and probably low even for experienced writers. Don't let that shake you. Short story rejections are incredibly common if you're doing things right (sending them out as quickly as they come back). I've had seven stories published in various markets (sold an eighth, too, but the anthology got dropped by the publisher before it was published) and I have four rejections just this month. Just because you've published a few doesn't make the rest any easier. :)

Publishing short stories is as much about carpet bombing markets with them as it is about writing good fiction. So long as you're working with a writer's group to get your stories critiqued (and make sure they're solid) you should expect a story to get rejected a few times (or many times) before it lands. Different editors are just looking for different things on different days of the week.

Take the rejections you've gotten, dust them off, and send them back out. One story I got published last year (in a mag called Inaccurate Realities) piled up 12 rejections before it sold.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on September 01, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
That's a fantastic success rate on your agent querying, @CameronJohnston (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32633).

I've been casting a wider net with my own recent querying, partly because I have an odd fish of a novel - not quite traditional epic fantasy, not quite something else, plus a little on the long side for the US market at 125k - so I'm sending out queries in batches of about half a dozen to increase my pool of potential odd-taste-havers. :) And I've had a few requests from agents I would be unutterably delighted to work with, so I'm feeling ok about things. Now it's just the waiting game - and while waiting, the writing-the-next-one game.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on September 01, 2015, 09:28:25 AM
@Phil Norris (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/profile/?u=3880) - Ahah, well I shamelessly borrowed the idea of this thread from yours at SFX (almost signed up for SFX forum to contribute to it, but then it shut down...bah), so welcome! :) It's a funny and interesting place, the Writer's Corner.
I think these acceptances come in waves after long barren trudges through the desert of rejection. Out of curiosity did you only get form rejections for those 4 stories, or did you get a few editors/slush readers tell you what they thought was wrong with them?

The BBC Writers Room programme looks really interesting. I know a few people that have dabbled with that, but I've not really tried script writing myself, that's a whole format I'm not sure of. Hope that last 30 minutes goes down onto paper fast and reads well. How are you finding Wattpad btw? Seems to be an interesting idea.

@incisron (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/profile/?u=40499) - Sounds interesting! Let us know how you get on with it :)

@cupiscent (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/profile/?u=32615) - The perils of multi-genre/oddball stories. I've been there before, trying to figure out if it's horror or fantasy or both. On the plus side, interesting is always good. Is 125k large for the US market? I though 120-125k was a pretty standard fantasy novel length. Delighted to hear you've had a few responses from agents and it's a compliment to even get the request. Have my fingers crossed something good comes out of it for you!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Phil Norris on September 01, 2015, 10:24:28 PM
@Phil Norris (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/profile/?u=3880) - Ahah, well I shamelessly borrowed the idea of this thread from yours at SFX (almost signed up for SFX forum to contribute to it, but then it shut down...bah), so welcome! :) It's a funny and interesting place, the Writer's Corner.
I think these acceptances come in waves after long barren trudges through the desert of rejection. Out of curiosity did you only get form rejections for those 4 stories, or did you get a few editors/slush readers tell you what they thought was wrong with them?

The BBC Writers Room programme looks really interesting. I know a few people that have dabbled with that, but I've not really tried script writing myself, that's a whole format I'm not sure of. Hope that last 30 minutes goes down onto paper fast and reads well. How are you finding Wattpad btw? Seems to be an interesting idea.


They were just standard form rejections with no feedback.

I've dabbled in scriptwriting over the years, it can vary with sometimes a quick write and other times seems to drag. Only ever sent two scripts out but neither went anywhere.

I'd never heard of Wattpad until started reading Mark Lawrences' Gunlaw on there and then I took a look around and so thought I'd give it a go.
 
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on September 02, 2015, 08:01:10 AM
Is 125k large for the US market? I though 120-125k was a pretty standard fantasy novel length.

I would tend to agree - certainly, it's around the length of a lot of books I've enjoyed. But I've had one agent respond with "like the sound of it, love the comparison titles, but my hard upper limit for debut novels is 110k words, I prefer 100k", which makes me wonder whether any of the other rejections or silences are because of word-length. On the other hand, clearly not a problem for those agents who've requested. (Or is it? Maybe the length is a problem but they're interested in the work despite it. Impossible to know unless they come back with feedback at some point. This process is so full of wracked nerves and second guesses.)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Phil Norris on September 03, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Chapter 2 of Gypsies Kiss: The Ballad of Toby Jones is now live on Wattpad, I've posted a link in the thread below.

All comments/feedback welcome.


 http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/advertising-your-novels/gypsies-kiss-the-ballad-of-toby-jones-on-wattpad/
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on September 13, 2015, 01:40:53 AM

Argh, that must have been so disappointing when it turned out to be a vanity press :( So many people get fleeced by groups like that. Always good to check them out on Writer Beware: http://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/ and places like the Absolute Write forum background check board: http://absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?22-Bewares-Recommendations-amp-Background-Check


This may be of interest as a cautionary tale re vanity publishers.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/the-vanity-presses/6759616?utm_content=buffer05b36&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 10, 2015, 08:50:41 AM
Somehow found my way into the role of one of three editors for an upcoming anthology. Our writer's group has been going for 30 years so we invited all past and present members to submit something. Should be fantastic, especially as we have a number of well-known traditionally published novelists and a heap of people with published short stories submitting something.
Finding it interesting being on the other side of the coin for a change, but it is a lot of work.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on November 10, 2015, 06:38:59 PM
That's fantastic.

Any particular theme?

In my own writing adventures, a publication has published one of my stories before I've returned the contract. In fact, I still haven't received the contract. The last contact I had with them was in September when I told them I hadn't received it.

I am... disappointed with this.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 11, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
That's fantastic.

Any particular theme?

In my own writing adventures, a publication has published one of my stories before I've returned the contract. In fact, I still haven't received the contract. The last contact I had with them was in September when I told them I hadn't received it.

I am... disappointed with this.

No special theme, planning on including a wide selection of genre to represent the writers and fiction that have come through the Glasgow SF Writers' Circle.

Congrats on getting your story published! :)
With regards to contracts, in my experience some of the micro-presses and smaller magazines can get a little...lax. Sometimes I've not even had a contract at all. (beyond a few emails, which could have potentially put them in a sticky situation) But as long as they've paid I just shrug, shake my head, and get on with things. Those contracts are there to set out and protect the rights of publishers (otherwise the author can pull it at any moment/demand they immediately stop printing or publishing it etc)

If they haven't paid or if you are due future anthology royalties or something then that's a whole different and worrying matter.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on November 12, 2015, 05:25:31 PM
That's nice. Maybe we'll have something similar come out of this place eventually! :)

Yeah, no payment yet. It's a token market and a very small payment but... y'know. Principles. I've pinged them an e-mail. Not overly upset as long as I get paid. Thanks for the congratulations, of course!

Anyway, if anyone is interested It's here, from The Colored Lens. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Colored-Lens-Autumn-2015-ebook/dp/B015ODOOZO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447348825&sr=8-2&keywords=colored+lens)

The audio version of my story The Mothgate (http://www.castofwonders.org/2015/11/episode-179-the-mothgate-by-j-r-troughton/) has come out today as well. Hooray for beautiful monsters! This is a much needed pick me up to be honest. I've been struggling with finding the time to write of late so this has come at a good time.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on December 01, 2015, 08:21:04 PM
When someone says "We just need a few more days" and then two weeks pass without more info, is it time to get out your harpoon or do you gnaw at your knuckles some more?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 02, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
When someone says "We just need a few more days" and then two weeks pass without more info, is it time to get out your harpoon or do you gnaw at your knuckles some more?

Since they've already published it...with no contract or payment...I think it's entirely acceptable to be pissed off about it now. 'Paid upon publication' does not equal paid weeks afterwards. As it's now December I'd email them again, being polite but firm.  At the end of the day, you are perfectly within your rights to report the magazine for copyright infringement on Amazon (which they are wide open to without a returned contract, or indeed, payment).

Of course, won't do you any good at all to be an arse about it (not that you will), but you have been reasonable and are now being reasonably annoyed.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 02, 2015, 10:16:38 AM
I received a rejection  from an agent last week after they called in my full manuscript. They liked my novel, but didn't feel passionate enough to represent it. Lots of nice comments though.
Onwards!

Very tempted by Angry Robot and Gollancz open submissions...but may try more agents instead.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: xiagan on December 02, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
I received a rejection  from an agent last week after they called in my full manuscript. They liked my novel, but didn't feel passionate enough to represent it. Lots of nice comments though.
Onwards!

Very tempted by Angry Robot and Gollancz open submissions...but may try more agents instead.
Sorry to hear! But that was at least not totally negative.
Why not do both? Open doors and agents?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 02, 2015, 01:01:47 PM
Well, my interpretation of this is that is when an experienced agent accepts your manuscript they will usually help you lick it into better shape, maybe ask you to fix a few issues, before submitting it to publishers, and as it comes from an agent you stand a better chance of them paying more attention to it.

So, If I get an agent after being rejected by two open sub publishers, the publishers are not going to want to see that particular manuscript again, even if it's since been improved on.
At least, that's what is on my mind right now.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on December 02, 2015, 03:03:07 PM
So, If I get an agent after being rejected by two open sub publishers, the publishers are not going to want to see that particular manuscript again, even if it's since been improved on.
At least, that's what is on my mind right now.

Yup, that's the hazard of accepting open submissions windows. I've heard the same thing from people in my writer's group who have agents - some agents don't care if you hit a few open subs before talking to them, but others may be hesitant to take on your manuscript, even if they like it, if you've already submitted it to too many publishers. Their chances with those publishers are already closed.

On the flip side, if you DO get interest in an open call (say, you submitted to Angry Robot and they wanted to buy your book) you can then actually query an agent with a book sale already in hand ... basically, offering the agent a free slice of the pie to come in and represent your book (and hopefully future ones). So assuming they have the space in their client list, it's an easy win for them and they're more likely to take you on, which helps you in future book sales.

So, there's plusses and minuses to submitting during open submission periods. Also, open calls tend to happen among smaller press targets which, although they are great, probably wouldn't be the first targets of an agent anyway (they'd hit the Big Five first).

Angry Robot actually gave me some positive comments recently on my espionage SF novel - basically, their rejection boiled down too "It's not exactly an Angry Robot book, but we think it will sell". Which was encouraging to hear. Of course, this is the same book that 18 agents have already passed on without even requesting sample chapters (despite all the positive feedback from advance readers and other published authors) so... you never know.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on December 02, 2015, 03:19:40 PM
When someone says "We just need a few more days" and then two weeks pass without more info, is it time to get out your harpoon or do you gnaw at your knuckles some more?

Since they've already published it...with no contract or payment...I think it's entirely acceptable to be pissed off about it now. 'Paid upon publication' does not equal paid weeks afterwards. As it's now December I'd email them again, being polite but firm.  At the end of the day, you are perfectly within your rights to report the magazine for copyright infringement on Amazon (which they are wide open to without a returned contract, or indeed, payment).

This is a a tough one. Like Cameron points out, you are certainly within your rights to be annoyed. That said, there are always other possibilities. Sometimes, spam filters may be catching your e-mails, meaning the publisher never received them. Try sending from a different e-mail (if you have one) to see if that gets around it. Also, it doesn't hurt to try alternative contact methods, if they are available (like Facebook) to see if that gets their attention. Sometimes, they just get buried in e-mails.

I had this very same situation occur with a token press that published one of my older stories earlier this year. They accepted the story, sent me the contract, and so on. Payment was due upon publication, but it got delayed for a good while (as did the book) and several e-mails (about one a month) were lost into the void. Ultimately, after three months, the publisher did pay out (again, it wasn't pro rate) so I did get everything resolved. I tried to be patient throughout, and ultimately, I feel I made the right call.

Though it's not ideal, many token markets are running on a shoestring budget - it may just be one or two people financing the zine through their own money which means yes, they do run into cases where they can't pay immediately. It's part and parcel of working with them. As with most professional contacts, I think it's best to keep your cool and say polite until it seems like you absolutely will not be paid, at which point you should absolutely consider going the route Cameron suggested (since the book is sold through Amazon, you actually have recourse, where if it was just an online zine, there wouldn't be much you could do).
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on December 02, 2015, 06:44:25 PM
Not the same publisher or story as my last moan, heh! Thanks for your thoughts though.

It's a different short story mag. I queried as per the advice on their site after having no response for 2 months. They said the story was now with the final editor and they just needed a few more days. It's now been over two weeks. I don't want to be pushy, but... I want to know.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on December 22, 2015, 04:40:20 AM
With a few days off work, we're back to cold querying! I recently received some encouraging feedback from the editor at Angry Robot regarding my espionage SF novel (he thought it would sell, just not to them) so I figured I might as well pile up a few more rejections while I had the time. This is a different book than the cyberpunk book I'm working on here, and much further along.

Over the past two days, I've gone through a list of 48 agencies and queried 10 of them (the other 38 didn't have anyone looking for a book like mine). It consistently amazes me how long it takes to double-check each query letter, and how mentally exhausting it is to put together multiple queries. It's not pleasant, but at least it's done now.

Most of the agencies I queried either don't respond if not interested, or take eight to twelve weeks, so I expect to start getting nos by late February/early March. Those that don't respond by the end of March, of course, are saying no by silence.

Assuming no agent bites in this particular round, I'll probably toss the book directly to Baen in April (they have about a year turnaround) and, if that doesn't pan out, self-publish two years or so from now. Having now done two books that way, I'm comfortable with it, and given the positive feedback I've gotten from the 20-25 or so people who've read my book, including several published authors, I'm comfortable hiring my own editor and launching the book after my fantasy series wraps up, and if enough agents pass, why not?

Next up (tomorrow!) I'm going to drop critiques in the Writer's Group, and then we're jetting off for the holidays!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: SarahW on December 28, 2015, 06:13:59 PM
About to publish my next poetry book. I only self-publish at the moment, because there doesn't seem to be a market for the Magical Realistic Dark Comedy Sitcom/Tragedy middle grade at the moment.

I'm trying to decide at the moment what I want my next plot to me, so I haven't written as much as I should lately.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Nora on December 29, 2015, 03:33:52 PM
You want an adventure in publication? Here's the status of my Wendigo short story with tor.com :

(http://i.imgur.com/NwgyrJJ.png)

So in red the refusals, in green the acceptances, and in purple, my submission.
I've officially reached the longest number of days that any submission recorded on The Grinder has had before entering that weird gap.

187 days.
So maybe tomorrow I'll wake up to my refusal letter, or maybe I'll enter the 40 more days of void that just *might* represent stories being passed to serious editors for final review?
But it's not official numbers, it only comes from the data of The Grinder. So it's also possible that some stray refusal/acceptances happened in that gap.

Clearly overthinking stuff here, but I feel like a 9 months pregnant woman : I'm so ready for this to come out!  >:(
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on December 30, 2015, 03:06:26 AM
So that means, even in terms of refusal you've come along long way unscathed, which is encouraging and indicative of quality. On the other hand can understand your frustration. Interesting progress chart, follow quite a lot of PR media from Tor and they seen to be very switched on, lively publishing house. Keep us updated, fingers crossed for you ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Nora on December 30, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
Cheers Lady Ty.
It's official, I've stepped out of the usual reported days on the graph. Means little. Especially when you see the bloody list on Grinder and you find someone who got rejected after 324 days!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on February 07, 2016, 01:51:40 PM
My latest adventures...

Sold the last story I was discussing - Mother Salt and her Sisters -  to Fantasy Scroll Magazine. Should be out sometime this year.

Had The Magician's Whisper get through to the 2nd round at Clarkesworld before being rejected. That's in slush somewhere else now. It's been rejected by 6-7 top tier markets but I really think it has something.

Have The Moonlight Circus story with Apex. It's past slush and sitting at number 6 in the queue so I presume I'll hear something over the next week. The wait is killing me!

Struggling to maintain any focus on new stories or The Novel at the moment. The last month or so has been so full on I've lost a little direction with my writing.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 08, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
My latest adventures...

Sold the last story I was discussing - Mother Salt and her Sisters -  to Fantasy Scroll Magazine. Should be out sometime this year.

Had The Magician's Whisper get through to the 2nd round at Clarkesworld before being rejected. That's in slush somewhere else now. It's been rejected by 6-7 top tier markets but I really think it has something.

Have The Moonlight Circus story with Apex. It's past slush and sitting at number 6 in the queue so I presume I'll hear something over the next week. The wait is killing me!

Struggling to maintain any focus on new stories or The Novel at the moment. The last month or so has been so full on I've lost a little direction with my writing.

Good news! :) Well done on selling to Fantasy Scroll Magazine and fingers crossed for the other two stories! Getting to the second round of Clarkesworld does mean it has something, and was probably just not quite right for them at that time.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on February 08, 2016, 06:54:10 PM
Good stuff, @JRTroughton (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37357)!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on February 08, 2016, 06:58:09 PM
Cheers guys. :)

I've been struggling to find the energy to keep going with The Novel of late, so a bit of short story success would be most welcome! Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 02, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
I have nothing to report!

Previously mentioned stories were rejected at various levels and are now with different markets. Miraculously I have an all time high of 5 stories in submission now. Currently have stories that have been with Beneath Ceaseless Skies & Strange Horizons for 6-8 weeks now, so of course I'm now checking my e-mails every 7 minutes.

You know.

Because that helps.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on April 02, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
I have nothing to report!

Previously mentioned stories were rejected at various levels and are now with different markets. Miraculously I have an all time high of 5 stories in submission now. Currently have stories that have been with Beneath Ceaseless Skies & Strange Horizons for 6-8 weeks now, so of course I'm now checking my e-mails every 7 minutes.

You know.

Because that helps.

6-8 weeks at BCS is good! Hopefully, that means they're giving your story some serious consideration.

According to Duotrope, all seven of my rejections from BCS have come between 15 (shortest) and 52 days (longest). So you're already on the upper end of consideration. Crossing my fingers for you.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 02, 2016, 09:44:20 PM
And, of course, the rejection comes now. Le sigh.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on April 06, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
And, of course, the rejection comes now. Le sigh.

Ack, sorry to hear that. On to the next!

I continue to wait anxiously for anything regarding open submissions on my novel(s). I've got my espionage SF novel out to THREE places currently, with no responses yet:

- Submitted to Harper Voyager in November
- Submitted to Gollancz in January
- Submitted to Ragnarok Publications in March

- And finally, I've got my cyberpunk police procedural sitting at Angry Robot, from their open submission period. No response there either.

The frustrating thing is I have no idea where any of these folks are in the process. Are they through 25% of the manuscripts? 50%? Are they only responding to people that catch their interest, or everyone? These are questions to which I do not know the answers. :)

Meanwhile, the saga of agent submissions continues to be "sorry, not for me" with no request for sample chapters. I've got one more round for my espionage SF novel (I'll probably send those out this weekend) and if I don't get any bites, it goes off to Baen for consideration (they take a year for unsolicited manuscripts, which works out about right for me). If Baen passes, I'll likely self-publish in late 2017.

So far this year, I have one short story sale (technically I sold it right at the end of last year, but it took three months to get into print!) and I'm hoping for a few more. But I need to actually submit stories to sell them, so I should get on that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 13, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
Well, no news for lengthy periods increases the possibility of good news, I suppose. It's a tough ol' waiting game, writing.

On that note,  I currently have short stories out a various different markets that have been with them for...

2 days, 11 days, 12 days, 12 days, 14 days, 14 days, 56 days, and 91 days, respectively.

Patience is not a virtue I possess, sadly! However, having 8 stories out on submission is a new high for me.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 15, 2016, 08:53:56 AM
My novel is currently out to a bunch of agents, I have a handful of short stories needing edited before being sent out, and I'm doing readings for an anthology - other than that nothing much to report at the moment.

The waiting for rejection/acceptance or full requests is so annoying. It does help to have a few things out at any given time though, makes it seems like something is happening.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on April 16, 2016, 04:02:46 AM
Queried two more agents for Supremacy's Shadow tonight. I'm up to 38 passes or non-replies now, so I'm running out of people to ping. This next week will almost certainly be the last batch of agent queries for me, at least for this book.

Still nothing on the open submission windows, though I did find a bit more information on the AbsoluteWrite forums, and it looks like people who haven't received rejections yet may still be in the running. So no news is good news, I suppose!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Justan Henner on April 16, 2016, 05:09:00 PM
I just got another rejection a couple days ago. It was one of the first queries I had sent out and honestly didn't expect to be seeing any more, since it's been months since I sent any out. It was, without a doubt, the nicest form rejection I have ever read. The man either needs to become an author himself, or he must've tricked one his clients into writing it.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 16, 2016, 08:32:02 PM
At what point do I query my unanswered query, I wonder?

HMMM.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on April 16, 2016, 11:59:42 PM
At what point do I query my unanswered query, I wonder?

Depends on the policy of the agent/agency in question, so the first thing to check is their website or social media or listing on Publishers' Marketplace for what they say about responses to queries. Some agencies have a "no response means no" policy, so following-up won't get you anywhere. Some agencies post to social media where they're up to in their queries. A lot of agencies have a suggested timeframe, saying things like, "You will hear from us within three months" or whatever.

A lot of those timeframes are hilariously optimistic.

I also recommend checking the agent's listing on QueryTracker. Through the comments or timeline on any agent, you can see what sort of timeframe other people are receiving responses on. This can help put your experience in perspective. If everyone around your time has received a response but not you, chances are your query fell down the  back of the couch somehow, so following up would be good. If no one else has a response either, the agent has been busy and not hitting her query box.

My advice is not to follow up unless you have reason to think it will help, because the way most agents work is oldest to newest - following up makes you one of the newest, pushing you to the back of the queue again. (I saw this happen when I followed-up with agents regarding having received an offer of rep.)

If you do follow up, obviously make sure to include your original query. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 17, 2016, 08:17:28 AM
Thanks, Cupiscent.

It's a short story market so it's a slightly different process. I've gone past the point where they tell you to query if you haven't heard as they always respond in that time frame. So I queried last weekend but haven't had a response to that yet. It's a market which sends to a link to check the status of your story and it says it's still under consideration..

I'll probably give it another few days / a week before asking again.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on April 17, 2016, 09:30:04 AM
Ohhhh, I see! I spent so long trying to get an agent that I see "query" and everything defaults to agent setting. :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 17, 2016, 09:37:03 AM
It's all useful!

I'll finish The Book one day... :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 24, 2016, 11:44:29 AM
New short up today, over at Fantasy Scroll (http://fantasyscrollmag.com/). It's called 'Mother Salt and her Sisters' and it is an allegorical polemic on slavery and a sociological discussion of industrialisation and assembly lines and is likely to alter the minds and opinions of a generation, forever changing the yoof of today and improving the world hence forth.

Or it's about sea hags and sirens and is pure pulp fiction with magic and monsters and glorious fantasy.

One of the two.  :o
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: xiagan on April 24, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
One of the two.  :o
Why can't it be both?  ;)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on April 24, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
New short up today, over at Fantasy Scroll (http://fantasyscrollmag.com/). It's called 'Mother Salt and her Sisters' and it is an allegorical polemic on slavery and a sociological discussion of industrialisation and assembly lines and is likely to alter the minds and opinions of a generation, forever changing the yoof of today and improving the world hence forth.

Or it's about sea hags and sirens and is pure pulp fiction with magic and monsters and glorious fantasy.

One of the two.  :o

Grats on the publication!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 24, 2016, 04:49:53 PM
Cheers, buddy!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on April 24, 2016, 11:27:25 PM
New short up today, over at Fantasy Scroll (http://fantasyscrollmag.com/). It's called 'Mother Salt and her Sisters' and it is an allegorical polemic on slavery and a sociological discussion of industrialisation and assembly lines and is likely to alter the minds and opinions of a generation, forever changing the yoof of today and improving the world hence forth.

Or it's about sea hags and sirens and is pure pulp fiction with magic and monsters and glorious fantasy.

One of the two.  :o

Grats on the publication!

Yes it was glorious fantasy and I enjoyed every minute - wow for the characters, got rather fond of the main two. ;D Congratulations and thanks for sharing here, JRT.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 25, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
New short up today, over at Fantasy Scroll (http://fantasyscrollmag.com/). It's called 'Mother Salt and her Sisters' and it is an allegorical polemic on slavery and a sociological discussion of industrialisation and assembly lines and is likely to alter the minds and opinions of a generation, forever changing the yoof of today and improving the world hence forth.

Or it's about sea hags and sirens and is pure pulp fiction with magic and monsters and glorious fantasy.

One of the two.  :o

Good stuff! Looking forward to reading this :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: SugoiMe on April 25, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
JRT, that's super exciting. Congrats!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on May 14, 2016, 06:19:32 PM
Thanks for all the kind words, folks. In more good news, FSM have just bought the next story I sent to them as well. :)

Probably won't be published for a while but it's nice to have something in the pot.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on May 14, 2016, 06:52:39 PM
Oh, great :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Justan Henner on May 16, 2016, 02:17:26 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Peat on May 16, 2016, 03:37:37 PM
Great stuff!

*peers at the submission guidelines*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on May 17, 2016, 03:41:59 PM
I've been doing pretty much zero writing of my own lately - too busy reading all the submissions for a short story anthology, then doing acceptances and rejections, mulling over possible names and cover art and then editing other people's stories. SO much work and time goes into being an editor. *phew*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Yora on May 29, 2016, 09:25:24 PM
One of the finalists of the Self Published Fantasy Blog Off just praised me live on his worldbuilding stream for my comment on creating names and elaborating on it with anecdotes from his scriptwriting career. (Names don't matter much, they will sound perfect after using them for a while.)
A very small piece of fame, but still a small adventure.  :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on June 01, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
That's great, Yora. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on July 18, 2016, 01:36:55 PM
Got a short story through the slush readers and into the 2nd round review of a really great magazine. Still, I've been here before and they didn't take it. Fingers crossed this time is different!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on July 18, 2016, 01:51:07 PM
*fingers crossed* :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 07, 2016, 12:40:15 PM
So yeah, that short story ultimately got rejected. Don't feel too bad for me though...
I do now have a literary agent! *BlinkBlink* Still a little in shock.
Everything going well, my novel will be sent out to publishers early next year!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on October 07, 2016, 02:53:29 PM
So yeah, that short story ultimately got rejected. Don't feel too bad for me though...
I do now have a literary agent! *BlinkBlink* Still a little in shock.
Everything going well, my novel will be sent out to publishers early next year!

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Congrats!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 07, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
Feels slighly surreal at the moment.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on October 07, 2016, 05:28:02 PM
Wahey, Cameron :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: m3mnoch on October 07, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
woo hoo!!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on October 07, 2016, 08:36:37 PM
Congrats, @CameronJohnston (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32633)! (I twitter-stalked you a little to see who, because I'm nosy. :D And double-congrats. Amanda Rutter looks really great.)

Good luck with edits and submissions!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 07, 2016, 08:51:01 PM
Congrats, @CameronJohnston (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32633)! (I twitter-stalked you a little to see who, because I'm nosy. :D And double-congrats. Amanda Rutter looks really great.)

Good luck with edits and submissions!

Haha, stalk away! She seems really great, and on the same wavelength.
OH - I didn't know you were with P.S. Literary. Excellent! :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on October 10, 2016, 09:30:04 AM
Congratulations! Great success.

My only recent adventures have been a 60 day rejection in the final round at Podcastle (booo-urns!) and seeing the hard copy Shimmer anthology I'm in with far more talented authors like Lavie Tidhar (hooray!).

Haven't been submitting recently... or writing much at all... Need to get my mojo back.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 10, 2016, 06:40:25 PM
Congratulations! Great success.

My only recent adventures have been a 60 day rejection in the final round at Podcastle (booo-urns!) and seeing the hard copy Shimmer anthology I'm in with far more talented authors like Lavie Tidhar (hooray!).

Haven't been submitting recently... or writing much at all... Need to get my mojo back.

Oh yeah, I've been there with Podcastle before! *gnashes teeth*. The longer it goes the more you start to hope, and then...*sigh*. Great news about the Shimmer anthology though! :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on October 11, 2016, 07:33:22 PM
Always a kicker. Most top-tier markets seem to be closed to submissions at the moment too. Oh well!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on November 19, 2016, 06:17:27 PM
So, I've managed to get myself writing again, polishing off an old short story and making a few tweaks to another. Also further world building on The Novel. This is good. This is progress. I've been rather unable to make any time for writing lately as work and family have taken up all my energy. I've also fired something off for submission after not doing so for months.

Contributor copies of the aforementioned anthology came through and look rather snazzy. A definite milestone... though it does dawn on my that I wrote that story close to two years ago now...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxJB1FkWEAACO85.jpg)

Hope everything is going well with your new agent, Cameron.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on November 23, 2016, 04:08:22 PM
Got a rather nice rejection from Baen today on my espionage sci-fi novel, so it looks like I'm going to move forward with self-pubbing Supremacy's Shadow late next year or early 2018. I've exhausted agent submissions and open submission windows, which is a shame, because this book is probably one of the best things I've written in recent years (30 or so beta readers and a pro-editor or two seem to agree, which is at least encouraging).

So, emotions are a bit of a mix today. I'm disappointed Baen didn't pick up my book, but I'm also sort of excited about putting a book I've spent so much time polishing into print, finally. The world I created for it is far bigger than one book (I pitched it as 24 meets Star Wars) and I have a ton of ideas in my head for standalone sequels, so the exciting part is having full control over where the series/characters goes. I'll probably be writing science fiction for the next few years, though I may come back to fantasy at some point.

Of course, Angry Robot still has my cyberpunk police procedural under consideration, so on the very remote chance they do pick that up, I might end up going the hybrid route (they already passed on my other book, sadly). Otherwise, if they reject it, I'll likely end up doing the serialized online route for that book which I planned originally, fully embracing indie publishing and sharing books with my tiny (but existing) readership. I just don't have it in me to spend another five years trying to break into traditional publishing.

I'll continue to toss short stories at anthologies and other pro and semi-pro markets (since I've had success with that, at least) but for books, I'll be doing the novel thing on my own.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Quill on November 23, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/Aduchil/bibliotek.jpg)

Was interviewed about fantasy and my book at my library in front of a small audience (I'm on the right). It was really a fun experience, and getting to talk about fantasy literature in front of readers was amazing.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on November 23, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
That sounds like great fun!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 25, 2016, 12:50:57 PM

Contributor copies of the aforementioned anthology came through and look rather snazzy. A definite milestone... though it does dawn on my that I wrote that story close to two years ago now...

That is a wonderful table of contents! Some really great writers on there :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 25, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
Got a rather nice rejection from Baen today on my espionage sci-fi novel, so it looks like I'm going to move forward with self-pubbing Supremacy's Shadow late next year or early 2018. I've exhausted agent submissions and open submission windows, which is a shame, because this book is probably one of the best things I've written in recent years (30 or so beta readers and a pro-editor or two seem to agree, which is at least encouraging).

So, emotions are a bit of a mix today. I'm disappointed Baen didn't pick up my book, but I'm also sort of excited about putting a book I've spent so much time polishing into print, finally. The world I created for it is far bigger than one book (I pitched it as 24 meets Star Wars) and I have a ton of ideas in my head for standalone sequels, so the exciting part is having full control over where the series/characters goes. I'll probably be writing science fiction for the next few years, though I may come back to fantasy at some point.

Of course, Angry Robot still has my cyberpunk police procedural under consideration, so on the very remote chance they do pick that up, I might end up going the hybrid route (they already passed on my other book, sadly). Otherwise, if they reject it, I'll likely end up doing the serialized online route for that book which I planned originally, fully embracing indie publishing and sharing books with my tiny (but existing) readership. I just don't have it in me to spend another five years trying to break into traditional publishing.

I'll continue to toss short stories at anthologies and other pro and semi-pro markets (since I've had success with that, at least) but for books, I'll be doing the novel thing on my own.

It's the waiting that gets me. So. Much. Waiting. Sorry about not having much luck with publishers so far, are you only subbing to a single region of agents, US or UK only etc? Worth tying for agents in other countries too. Fingers crossed for Angry Robot and the self-pubbing.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on November 25, 2016, 09:37:07 PM
It's the waiting that gets me. So. Much. Waiting. Sorry about not having much luck with publishers so far, are you only subbing to a single region of agents, US or UK only etc? Worth tying for agents in other countries too. Fingers crossed for Angry Robot and the self-pubbing.

For me, I don't mind the waiting so much ... I send my book off and figured I'd think about it again in a year (it actually only took Baen four months to get back to me, which was quick). I think what's worse, for me, is knowing that I was close, but didn't get it, which has happened too often recently.

With Angry Robot, their rejection (of my sci-fi book) was something along the lines of "We think this will sell, it's just not a book that fits with us" and Baen's rejection was along the lines of "Your book inspired some interest, but we just don't have room for it in our lineup right now". So while both of those rejections have bits that are nice to hear, it's also a reminder that I was close and didn't make it ...  which has been a trend of late.

In the past two years, I've had four anthology rejections which were "We kept your story to the last round, and it just didn't quite make it" so that seems to be where I am now.

As far as agents, I've run through about 30 in the US and UK with no nibbles. I'm sure there's a few more out there, but I've hit most of the ones who've expressed interest in my kind of book. So now, I think, the only way Supremacy's Shadow might still go traditional is if Angry Robot actually picks up Loose Circuit (still waiting to hear from them), I actually get an agent as a result (to represent me with Angry Robot) and then that agent also likes Supremacy's Shadow enough to pitch it to the big five (which don't accept unagented stuff). But I'm 95% certain, given how things have been going, that the book will end up being self-pub.

Either way, with my final fantasy book out in March 2017, the next few years will be interesting. I'll simply promote as best I can and hope I somehow follow in the footsteps Becky Chambers or Andy Weir. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on December 29, 2016, 07:59:37 PM
So it occurred to me I never updated this after taking about #SFFPit. Here's my status!

Indie Publishing
I have my edits back from my editor on my third fantasy book (Bloodmender) and I'm moving full steam through those. I also have some really useful advance reader feedback which I am incorporating as I go. I actually really like how the book turned out, and multiple people (who have been with me through the series) have told me they think it's a satisfying conclusion, so I feel pretty good about it! On track for publication in March 2017.

The Agent Hunt!
I've often bitched about how difficult it seems to get an agent interested in anything. Having received nice rejections from several publishers and lots of silence from agents on my espionage SF novel, Supremacy's Shadow, I had decided to self-pub it late in 2017.

On a lark, I decided to do #SFFPit on Twitter, just for giggles, and used the following pitch for my book:

Quote
Half Han Solo, Half Deadpool, Hayden Cross fights to stop an interplanetary war while relentlessly mocking everyone involved.

Of course, I thought nothing would come of this fun little exercise. And of course, something did ... no less than FOUR agents favorited my tweet, thus requesting that I submit my book and a sample chapter.

So basically, after months of polish and fretting over a solid query letter yielded silence and "not for me's" a 120 character tweet got four agents interested. This publishing business is strange.

Better yet, one of these agents read my sample and requested a full (that means she asked me to send her the entire manuscript!) and I now anxiously wait to her her thoughts while keeping my expectations low. No response (good or bad) from the other agents yet, but I am hopeful.

Regardless, I am still a bit flabbergasted that a Tweet generated so much interest. If these four agents pass and I self-publish the book, at least I know how to sell it now!

Traditional Press
On this front, my wait continues. Angry Robot Books opened their doors to unagented submissions in 2016, and I submitted my cyberpunk police procedural, Loose Circuit, in January. In July, their editor requested the full manuscript (again, wow!) and so I continue to wait anxiously to hear from them. It's been about four/five months so far (not at all unreasonable by traditional press standards) so I probably won't query them until February, assuming I don't hear anything beforehand.

So, currently hopeful but also tempering my expectations, as I have been disappointed many times before. Regardless, it's encouraging to finally be getting some interest in my work from traditional press, even if that doesn't translate into a book deal. It remains a slog.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on December 29, 2016, 08:01:32 PM
Exciting stuff, Eric!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on December 29, 2016, 08:12:27 PM
Great news all round, Eric! Were the agents who expressed interesting in #SFFPit ones you'd considered querying, or left-field additions? I know that fantasy especially is a very blurry, multi-faceted genre, so when I was querying, it could be really hard to tell whether an agent who said "send me fantasy" actually meant my kind of fantasy. I got heaps of "this is not my thing" rejections, but sometimes surprise interest from people I'd tried because oh hell why not. It's a tricky game.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on December 29, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
Great news all round, Eric! Were the agents who expressed interesting in #SFFPit ones you'd considered querying, or left-field additions? I know that fantasy especially is a very blurry, multi-faceted genre, so when I was querying, it could be really hard to tell whether an agent who said "send me fantasy" actually meant my kind of fantasy. I got heaps of "this is not my thing" rejections, but sometimes surprise interest from people I'd tried because oh hell why not. It's a tricky game.

I had heard of one of the agents who liked my pitch, but not the other three - however, after researching them, all of them seem like they'd be an excellent partner. We'll see if anything comes of the actual pitch. I'm still excited to get that full request, but I'm still keeping my expectations low.

In an odd reminder that "it's a small world", the last agent to like my pitch was actually the HR administrator at The Guildhall (the school I went for my videogame design learnin') when I was there from 2007-2008. She has since had her own books traditionally published and also works as an agent and represents the type of stuff I write. So that was just synchronicity, I suppose.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: AnnaStephens on December 30, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
On a lark, I decided to do #SFFPit on Twitter, just for giggles, and used the following pitch for my book:

Quote
Half Han Solo, Half Deadpool, Hayden Cross fights to stop an interplanetary war while relentlessly mocking everyone involved.

Of course, I thought nothing would come of this fun little exercise. And of course, something did ... no less than FOUR agents favorited my tweet, thus requesting that I submit my book and a sample chapter.

So basically, after months of polish and fretting over a solid query letter yielded silence and "not for me's" a 120 character tweet got four agents interested. This publishing business is strange.

Hi, I saw my now agent on Twitter last Christmas saying what he wanted submission-wise and I sent him a cheeky "Well I'm not quite Lord Grimdark but I'm in the same ballpark" tweet, and he said "Send it through" and I did, and now he's my agent!

So I think it is very often right place right time - Harry was actively looking in this genre, I was actively looking for an agent (and had been for years). Following as many agents as possible in your chosen genre on Twitter is, to me, a good idea.

Anna
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: m3mnoch on December 30, 2016, 03:25:22 PM
In an odd reminder that "it's a small world", the last agent to like my pitch was actually the HR administrator at The Guildhall (the school I went for my videogame design learnin') when I was there from 2007-2008. She has since had her own books traditionally published and also works as an agent and represents the type of stuff I write. So that was just synchronicity, I suppose.

speaking of small world (but, still a small side-track), the guildhall -- wasn't that when brenda brathwaite/romero was there?  also, did you know fellow student jeff mcnab?

edit:  scratch that.  just looked and yours was at smu.  the school i was thinking of is in savannah.  nothing to see here!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on January 01, 2017, 12:55:47 AM
Hi, I saw my now agent on Twitter last Christmas saying what he wanted submission-wise and I sent him a cheeky "Well I'm not quite Lord Grimdark but I'm in the same ballpark" tweet, and he said "Send it through" and I did, and now he's my agent!

So I think it is very often right place right time - Harry was actively looking in this genre, I was actively looking for an agent (and had been for years). Following as many agents as possible in your chosen genre on Twitter is, to me, a good idea.

Anna

That's an awesome story. :) I'll keep my fingers crossed, but regardless, I'll keeping going!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on January 01, 2017, 03:01:39 PM
Fantastic stuff, tebakutis. Fingers crossed something comes of it!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on January 03, 2017, 06:05:09 PM
Fantastic stuff, tebakutis. Fingers crossed something comes of it!

Well, I heard back from the agent who requested the full today. She actually really liked my pitch, book, and protagonist (this sounds familiar, doesn't it? :p) but passed because she didn't really connect with the book. So, one rejection down, three to go!

Since I wasn't expecting this one to go anywhere, it doesn't make me sad, and it was encouraging to get a full request (finally!) even if it didn't land. I'm moving forward with my self-pub plans (if I go that route, it won't be until late 2017 or early 2018) while I wait for yea/nays for the other three agents.

Onward!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lordoftheword on January 05, 2017, 03:11:18 PM
My best wishes to you, Eric! I can't wait for the day we see you get that publishing deal and become our resident F-F famous author ;) Keep at it!!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on January 05, 2017, 05:41:12 PM
Best of luck Eric, most frustrating when you are circling that professional peak, ready to ascend. At least you know your stuff is not garbage with all the positive feedback you've been given ;) That's always good, even if ultimately a rejection.
Fingers crossed for you, but if not then we can hope the self-publishing goes really well.

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 06, 2017, 01:02:08 PM
I don't even have a tent, but I've slept in the open before. :)

It's a pleasant morning as Georgia braces (hahaha!) for a dusting of snow over the weekend. I am meandering through my morning with a calm façade. My editor will provide me her stuff today. I hope it's worth the wait and the expense! The story's issues are well-established - what I'm a little short on is an idea of how to decide which plot to raise to supremacy. Everything else falls in line once that choice is made.

Speaking in trope-ish terms, my options include The Rebellion, Ancient Conspiracies, The Inquisition, The Revenge of the Suppressed, Great Discoveries, The Return of Great Evil, and Revenge Via Betrayal, and Mannerpunk Squabbles being taken to a new level.

I am actually surprised to see that this story seems to fall within the YA paradigm, albeit on the mature end of the spectrum. In this regard, the absence of a romance between my male protag and his woman friend is heartening, as I weary (being 26 years into an epic love affair) of teenage love/lust/longing, etc. I prefer stories of young people to take them seriously as adults, working to overcome the gaps in their knowledge and experience, with an eye to how tender young feet can feel on this bumpy, bumpy road.

ETA: So the feedback was surprisingly unsurprising. I didn't get the advice I had hoped for, but I suppose I did get confirmation that my writing is strong where I thought it was, and weak where I knew it was. Luckily, some others on the forum have provided a lot of very good advice, so I'm going to use it. Further proof that good beta readers are GOLD.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on January 07, 2017, 10:06:38 AM
(being 26 years into an epic love affair)
Sorry to be totally off topic, but is the object of your love affair the person hiding behind you on your new avatar? ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 07, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
Why, yes, that's Mrs. Gem Cutter, Reaper of the Weak and all-around badass. The woman who told Wal-Mart "Not no, but hell no." She's tiny, really, but everyone's afraid of her but me, since I know the real her. If you're going to spend a career trotting the globe and fighting crime, you have to marry for strength and ferocity. Which is why I'm not afraid of her - I'm intelligently terrified.  ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on January 24, 2017, 04:07:47 PM
Interesting site for writers:
http://thefuturebookshelf.co.uk/ (http://thefuturebookshelf.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on February 01, 2017, 01:46:28 AM
Latest update!

No word from Angry Robot books on my cyberpunk book, Loose Circuit, but ... so far as I know, I'm still in the running among 5-10 other manuscripts. So ... no news is good news! I still have my fingers crossed for this one.

In another encouraging note, the second of the four agents who "liked" my pitch for Supremacy's Shadow e-mailed a full request yesterday, and I sent the book off to her last night. So, I'll anxiously await word for the next month or so.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 26, 2017, 04:39:15 PM
Got my novel edits back from my agent this week and...whoah that's a lot of comments! Mostly spot on so far though. Going to take a heck of a lot of work working through all of these comments and strengthening bits here, clarifing things there, cutting...lots of cutting... very daunted after opening up those documents. However, once they are all done then I'll have a stronger novel ready to send out on submission :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on March 05, 2017, 08:36:26 PM
Got my novel edits back from my agent this week and...whoah that's a lot of comments! Mostly spot on so far though. Going to take a heck of a lot of work working through all of these comments and strengthening bits here, clarifing things there, cutting...lots of cutting... very dauted after opening up those documents. However, once they are all done then I'll have a stronger novel ready to send out on submission :)

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing it in print some day soon.

On my end, I just (as of 5 minutes ago) put the final touches on Bloodmender. The final typo check. The final spell check. The final formatting check. After over a year of work, everything is *finally* ready to go. The book is ready for publication. All I'm waiting on is the pull quote from one of my author friends.

Right now, I'm kind of giddy for two reasons - finishing a book, and finishing a trilogy. It's a heady feeling. Also, with my fantasy series wrapped, I can move forward full speed on my scifi. Whether either of my current scifi books gets picked up, I'm excited to push forward. I'm very proud of my third book.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on March 05, 2017, 08:56:09 PM
Got my novel edits back from my agent this week and...whoah that's a lot of comments! Mostly spot on so far though. Going to take a heck of a lot of work working through all of these comments and strengthening bits here, clarifing things there, cutting...lots of cutting... very dauted after opening up those documents. However, once they are all done then I'll have a stronger novel ready to send out on submission :)

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing it in print some day soon.

On my end, I just (as of 5 minutes ago) put the final touches on Bloodmender. The final typo check. The final spell check. The final formatting check. After over a year of work, everything is *finally* ready to go. The book is ready for publication. All I'm waiting on is the pull quote from one of my author friends.

Right now, I'm kind of giddy for two reasons - finishing a book, and finishing a trilogy. It's a heady feeling. Also, with my fantasy series wrapped, I can move forward full speed on my scifi. Whether either of my current scifi books gets picked up, I'm excited to push forward. I'm very proud of my third book.

So many congrats to you both for the progress!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Mike Brooks on March 14, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
I've just thrown a scifi/horror short story at Nightmare Mag on the last day of their open submissions window. Apart from that I'm waiting for feedback on my short story to Black Library (largely reworked from the first draft, as I now have a new editor who decided that she didn't want Space Marines as the protagonists, which suits me just fine) and waiting to see whether my agent and I are going to get any joy on the epic fantasy we've just pitched to a publisher...
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 24, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
Just finished my second round of edits for my agent. Having a good read through before I send it back as there is one bit still niggling me.

Mike Brooks - your Black Library editor's name wouldn't happen to begin with A would it? Anything is better than another space marine protagonist. Any bites on your epic fantasy pitch yet?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on April 24, 2017, 07:07:44 PM
Lovely stuff.

Good luck all!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Mike Brooks on April 24, 2017, 10:30:24 PM
@CameronJohnston Nothing yet! That is the glacial way of publishing. My editor was ill one week so couldn't submit to the money people, then the next week they were busy discussing kids' fiction in Bologna(!), then the week after they met and it turned out the directors hadn't actually read it, and last week they were away I think, so I *might* hear this week but more likely next week...

As for Black Library, neither my original editor nor my new one has a name beginning with 'A'...
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on May 01, 2017, 07:00:28 PM
And that's my novel out on submission!!
Already had two bites of interest from publishers so the query has worked well so far :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on May 01, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
And that's my novel out on submission!!
Already had two bites of interest from publishers so the query has worked well so far :)

Woot, congrats! Fingers crossed we'll see in print soon. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on May 02, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
#fistbump

Good luck!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on June 05, 2017, 07:44:37 PM
Just a small update from me.

I currently have Loose Circuit out to four agents (two have already passed) and plan to send it out to six more agents over the weekend. I'm still planning to publish it as a free online serial after all the agents I ping pass on it, but if one does pick it up for some reason (shocking!) I'll be thrilled.

I'm still working on a Glyphbinder audiobook with one of my critique partners (we're trying to nail down a way to get a good reading and eliminate "big room" sound) and I just got a Porta-Booth to help with that, so we'll see how it goes. And finally, after exhausting all my other options from agents and publishing houses, I've made the decision to self-pub Supremacy's Shadow. So look for that in early 2018!

At this point, it seems like traditional publishing may not in the cards for me, at least at this stage in my career. So, I'm going to continue to try to build my audience as an indie author and continue to submit short stories to various markets, where I've at least seen some success in getting published.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on June 05, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
Well, good luck!

S.L.Huang just got picked up by Tor after self publishing the first four books of her sci-fi thriller series. Hope you have similar success.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on June 05, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
Well, good luck!

S.L.Huang just got picked up by Tor after self publishing the first four books of her sci-fi thriller series. Hope you have similar success.

That does seem to be a more common route these days. If you are successful enough in self-pub and start to sell, a publisher will then take interest and pick you up for traditional. It's actually very similar to how indie game development has worked forever (hitting it big with an indie game can get you a big publisher for your next project) and it amuses me to see the publishing industry finally catching up with the game industry in how they treat successful independent authors.

To be fair, they did start fifty years behind. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 09, 2017, 04:39:36 PM
Working on producing audiobooks sounds interesting. I haven't heard of many quality self-published audio books being made and your process is well worth a blog post somewhere.

As for mine, I just heard back that a senior editor is enjoying it and has shared it with their colleagues for comment. *fingers crossed*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on June 14, 2017, 03:04:21 PM
Yesterday I got a lovely e-mail from the editor of the HATH NO FURY anthology editor that of the 300+ submissions they received for the few open slots in the Kickstarter, my story was in the top 5. I just got the notice yesterday that it hadn't made the cut, but the editor was very nice about it and apologized for taking so long to respond (which is totally understandable when you have that many stories!)

So, my decidedly impressive streak of almost succeeding, and then not doing so at the very last moment, continues unabated! Hooray... :p
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on June 14, 2017, 03:34:31 PM
Hey that's great! Congratulations on making the top of 300! (Too bad you can't capitalize numbers >:( )
There is some solace in your situation. You are delivering quality material that people appreciate and consider, and that's no easy thing. And you're doing it consistently - so it isn't luck or coincidence. That's talent talking.
Keep on keepin' on my friend. Your time is coming.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 14, 2017, 04:38:46 PM
That's very true. You've been so close quite a few times so you are doing something right. Of course, that's frustrating in a whole different way.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on June 14, 2017, 05:02:46 PM
Second and third what the others said!
It's just that little thing that maybe if they had another person evaluating your stories, they'd get through.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 14, 2017, 05:12:44 PM
Always possible that yours was slightly more similar in plot/theme/character to one already accepted so they opted for one a little more different and it had nothing to do with actual quality.
Anthologies are tricky like that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 14, 2017, 07:52:57 PM
Congratulations! I'd say, in all honesty, that it was more a subjective taste on their part more than anything. At that small statistical margin, I'm sure your's was just as fantastic as the winner! Kudos!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on June 23, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Thanks for the kind words, folks. :) Doing the "runner up" thing has become so common the last few years that it almost feels like a running gag to me. I was even kind of hoping I'd be on the short list for the James White Award (my story was long listed) just so I could congratulate the eventual winner and add *almost* winning that to my resume. It is a bit frustrating, but also encouraging to know I'm on the right track, and I was very pleased when Cam actually *did* make the short list. Doing F-F proud!

Random updates!

- A large sample of F-F folks were kind enough to critique two possible openings for my next novel as to which was stronger. Feedback was split almost precisely 50/50, which was ... interesting. I've done a final rewrite (the last rewrite!) based on what people liked and some insightful comments from my wife.

- I am *this* close to getting some of the best looking cover art I have ever seen. I have a verbal agreement with the artist and we seem to be on the same page regarding everything ... I'm just waiting for the final step and signed contract before I can truly cheer. Once that happens, man, I'll be stoked.

EDIT: I got the cover art.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on June 26, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Fantastic work, all. The successes will come!

My recent adventures in writing have been rather lacking. I haven't been doing any writing or adventuring. Humph! Time to do something about that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Quill on July 19, 2017, 12:47:09 AM
My book reached the semifinals in its category in the SPFBO3 :) Meaning, out of the 30 books assigned to my blogger, 20 were disqualified and 10 chosen for full-length review to determine the eventual finalist, and my book was among the 10. I don't know the odds for making the finals (well, I guess it's 10% speaking purely mathematically), but at least I can write "SPFBO3 semifinalist" on the resume now.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on July 19, 2017, 02:06:18 AM
My book reached the semifinals in its category in the SPFBO3 :) Meaning, out of the 30 books assigned to my blogger, 20 were disqualified and 10 chosen for full-length review to determine the eventual finalist, and my book was among the 10. I don't know the odds for making the finals (well, I guess it's 10% speaking purely mathematically), but at least I can write "SPFBO3 semifinalist" on the resume now.

AWESOME! I'm rooting for you :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on July 19, 2017, 06:28:14 AM
My book reached the semifinals in its category in the SPFBO3 :) Meaning, out of the 30 books assigned to my blogger, 20 were disqualified and 10 chosen for full-length review to determine the eventual finalist, and my book was among the 10. I don't know the odds for making the finals (well, I guess it's 10% speaking purely mathematically), but at least I can write "SPFBO3 semifinalist" on the resume now.

You can indeed add that! Well done! Fingers.crossed you make the final cut.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on July 19, 2017, 08:51:50 AM
So in November(!), I submitted a short story to the Aeon awards, run by Albedo One (Irish sci-fi/fantasy magazine). The only thing I knew was the best story I had written (still is, damnit), but had literally zero expectations. I was just happy that I had hit the goal of submitting something.

In April (the announcement was three months late), I found out that I had made the first of two short lists (along with 51 other stories). I was thrilled, of course; these people had no reason to like my story for anything but what it was (the submissions are anonymous to the judges). It was the first time I got outside confirmation that I was doing something right.

And now, the final shortlist has been announced (also three months late), and my story is on it.

The first few days, I became acquainted with imposter syndrome. I checked the announcement daily because I think they may have made a mistake and there would be an update saying my story had been taken off it. For real, that's what I thought would happen.  :D

Now, I just feel all wonky because I know it will be months before they announce winners (last year they were announced in November). So I have to put it aside, but how can I?  :o

Anyway, needed to rant a bit somewhere. Back to work!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on July 19, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
Fingers crossed for you, Quill!!!

And Magnus, rant away! No advice for you, but we're all here for you :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on July 19, 2017, 12:40:14 PM
Good news Quill, we love having one of FF doing well in SPFBO, all good luck, we'll be checking the updates. ????
Magnus it's frustrating for sure to wait, but good news after all???? fingers crossed for you as well.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Mike Brooks on July 27, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
So. My US publisher decided, in the very end, not to pick up my epic fantasy pitch as they don't want me to rebrand as a fantasy author and want to keep me as a scifi author. They also seemed to think there were too many vikings (or that the viking influences were too obvious).

In better news, not only was my Black Library short accepted after further rewrites, but they've now given me another one to do! I can officially count myself as a Black Library freelancer!

(the combination of these things, plus the need to do edits for the third Keiko novel, is why I haven't been around for a couple of months)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Elfy on July 28, 2017, 04:21:48 AM
So. My US publisher decided, in the very end, not to pick up my epic fantasy pitch as they don't want me to rebrand as a fantasy author and want to keep me as a scifi author. They also seemed to think there were too many vikings (or that the viking influences were too obvious).

In better news, not only was my Black Library short accepted after further rewrites, but they've now given me another one to do! I can officially count myself as a Black Library freelancer!

(the combination of these things, plus the need to do edits for the third Keiko novel, is why I haven't been around for a couple of months)
Maybe publish it under a pseudonym? A little like Daniel Abraham does. Publishes epic fantasy under that name, urban fantasy as MLN Hanover and the SF he co writes with Ty Franck as James SA Corey. Seanan McGuire publishes urban fantasy under her name, but writes zombie fiction under the name of Mira Grant with a different publisher.
Someone asked Sarah Monette why she published The Goblin Emperor under the name of Katherine Addison and she replied "because publishing is a deeply weird business"
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Mike Brooks on July 28, 2017, 07:40:20 PM
Maybe publish it under a pseudonym?

That's something I considered, but it's a trade-off. If I approach publishers as Mike Brooks, I'm a known author with three scifi books to my name (plus now Black Library freelancing), so they'll know that I can plot and complete a novel and have experience of working with editors and taking feedback. If I approached them as someone else, I'd be starting from scratch in terms of my reputation. While I might get away from the SF label, I'd also lose everything else that gives me bonus points.

There's also the fact that while the general public might not know about some pseudonyms, odds are their publishers do. If I actually lied to a publisher about who I was I don't think that would lead to a great working relationship. And... end of the day, I've got a whacking great black mohawk. If I did any sort of publicity at all for a new series (which I'd probably be expected to), someone might well think I looked familiar...
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 01, 2017, 02:18:27 AM
Maybe publish it under a pseudonym?

That's something I considered, but it's a trade-off. If I approach publishers as Mike Brooks, I'm a known author with three scifi books to my name (plus now Black Library freelancing), so they'll know that I can plot and complete a novel and have experience of working with editors and taking feedback. If I approached them as someone else, I'd be starting from scratch in terms of my reputation. While I might get away from the SF label, I'd also lose everything else that gives me bonus points.

There's also the fact that while the general public might not know about some pseudonyms, odds are their publishers do. If I actually lied to a publisher about who I was I don't think that would lead to a great working relationship. And... end of the day, I've got a whacking great black mohawk. If I did any sort of publicity at all for a new series (which I'd probably be expected to), someone might well think I looked familiar...

I always understood it as you approach them under your real name, but you put your pseudonym in the synopsis byline and sample cover page. But I've got basically no experience as my first WIP is still being revised so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 07, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
Yeah, that's pretty common and usually it's just pitched as X writing under the name of Y. No deception involved.

I just got an acceptance email for a short story I sent to Kzine. Feels pretty good as it's been ages since my last acceptance. Lots of lovely rejection emails though...

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on August 07, 2017, 06:47:26 PM
Hey! Good for you!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on August 07, 2017, 08:34:00 PM
Yeah, that's pretty common and usually it's just pitched as X writing under the name of Y. No deception involved.

I just got an acceptance email for a short story I sent to Kzine. Feels pretty good as it's been ages since my last acceptance. Lots of lovely rejection emails though...

Congrats man! Always happy to hear about people making a sale. :)

In non-sale news, here's an update from me. After looking at what I want out of my writing career and my (largely positive) experience with indie publishing my fantasy series, I've decided to move full steam ahead as an independent on at least my next two books. So, those will be coming out this year and next year.

Some of the folks in the Fantasy-Faction writing group may recall critiquing the first few chapters of my cyberpunk police procedural, Loose Circuit. That's the book that made it through Angry Robot's open submission process, and which they considered for almost a year before finally passing. Their feedback was basically "We like this, but it's more a cyberpunk police procedural than a character-driven SF book" ... which, to be honest, I completely agree with. So at least I know an editor thought it was solid, and it is what I set out to write.

Anyway, it's proven a hard sale due to the serial nature of its storytelling and the length, so I've decided I am going to do exactly what I set out to do when I started writing it, and publish it online (as a free serial) over about four months to build up interest for my other work. So, the first part of Episode 1 will be premiering on October 2 of this year. I've gotten a lot of positive feedback, and you can't argue with "free" so I'm hoping it'll raise some more interest in my other work.

I'm also collecting 8 of my 10 or so published short stories into an anthology collection (the rights have all reverted to me) and adding a few unpublished stories as well (typically stories that have received multiple "final round" rejections). That will likely be out before the end of the year, though I'm not sure exactly when.

Finally, I'm going to publish my "grimsnark" Star Wars rip-off, Supremacy's Shadow, on February 9, 2018, during Farpoint's book launch party. That's the book that has gotten positive feedback from like five publishing houses and several agents (all of whom, of course, then passed :p) leaving me largely bereft of traditional publishing markets to query. At the least, I've done my due diligence on traditional channels.

So, my current idea is to publish Supremacy's Shadow around the time Episode 9 of Loose Circuit completes (there are 10 episodes) with the reasoning that "If you like my free sci-fi work, why not try my new sci-fi book?" I've also been lucky enough to get some pro authors I know offer to give me some book jacket quotes, so I hope that will at least drive some initial interest. So, I'm going all in as an indie for the immediate future, though I plan to continue to submit future books to traditional press.

For now, at least, it's exciting to know the books I've been working on for the past few years (or longer) will be out there, for good or ill.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 07, 2017, 09:01:39 PM
I just got an acceptance email for a short story I sent to Kzine. Feels pretty good as it's been ages since my last acceptance. Lots of lovely rejection emails though...

Congrats @CameronJohnston !


Some of the folks in the Fantasy-Faction writing group may recall critiquing the first few chapters of my cyberpunk police procedural, Loose Circuit. That's the book that made it through Angry Robot's open submission process, and which they considered for almost a year before finally passing. Their feedback was basically "We like this, but it's more a cyberpunk police procedural than a character-driven SF book" ... which, to be honest, I completely agree with. So at least I know an editor thought it was solid, and it is what I set out to write.

Anyway, it's proven a hard sale due to the serial nature of its storytelling and the length, so I've decided I am going to do exactly what I set out to do when I started writing it, and publish it online (as a free serial) over about four months to build up interest for my other work. So, the first part of Episode 1 will be premiering on October 2 of this year. I've gotten a lot of positive feedback, and you can't argue with "free" so I'm hoping it'll raise some more interest in my other work.

Having read some of it, I can confirm that Loose Circuit is really really really damn good.  I mean really good.

I wish there was like the US literary equivalent of Young Jump you could release it in or something.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Stew Hotston on August 07, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
I'm a noob but I'm pleased to announce I've got a story in Rebellion's new Not So anthology http://www.thebookseller.com/news/abaddon-books-publish-diverse-anthology-written-reaction-rudyard-kipling-603401 (http://www.thebookseller.com/news/abaddon-books-publish-diverse-anthology-written-reaction-rudyard-kipling-603401) although I'm not listed in the authors as it was put out before I said yes!

It marks a step up as the biggest firm I've had a short story published by so far but I've also just about finished my second novel for a trilogy I sold to Tickety Boo Press of which the first is coming out Q4/Q1 2017/18.

I love reading about others' adventures so will keep coming back to this page I'm sure
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 12, 2017, 09:06:39 PM
That's really exciting news tebakutis! I'll look forward to those coming out, and it's certainly thinking ahead to have another complete when your free fiction lauches. Here's hoping it goes really well :)

Hi Stew Hotston! Welcome, hope you find the forum fun and useful. That's a great anthology to be in, well done!

I've just sold a reprint to the Far Fetched Fables podcast! It's been a good week for me.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on August 14, 2017, 10:15:51 AM
@CameronJohnston Congratulations on the publication acceptances! I do hope that Lady Luck will often smile upon my works of writings too.  :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on August 16, 2017, 06:08:18 PM
Having read some of it, I can confirm that Loose Circuit is really really really damn good.  I mean really good.

Meant to respond to this earlier, but honestly, getting feedback like that is *far* better than selling a book. :)

I hope people enjoy the story, and I've worked hard on it, but ultimately, I'm just glad it's out there.

I've just sold a reprint to the Far Fetched Fables podcast! It's been a good week for me.

That's awesome!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 30, 2017, 09:22:32 PM
Just got 6 novel rejections in from my agent. Oof. Still, as rejections go they were pretty complimentary, especially from Gollancz.
Needless to say, I deserve a beer or two today.
Onwards!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on August 30, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
Just got 6 novel rejections in from my agent. Oof. Still, as rejections go they were pretty complimentary, especially from Gollancz.
Needless to say, I deserve a beer or two today.
Onwards!

My agent did that too - reported back to me periodically, so they'd all come together in a slug. On the one hand, I guess getting it all over with in one go is better than being punched six times, but it's a big hit all at once!

Beer definitely called for, but do take heart at the complimentary nature. This is a tough business, but you're clearly not far off the mark.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on August 31, 2017, 06:02:25 AM
Just got 6 novel rejections in from my agent. Oof. Still, as rejections go they were pretty complimentary, especially from Gollancz.
Needless to say, I deserve a beer or two today.
Onwards!

Solidarity!

One of my friends had the same experience. Got her agent, got her book rejected by a number of publishers. It actually got the point where the agent asked her if she had anything else. Super bummed. Then, finally, recently, a publisher picked it up. Her book comes out in 2018. So ... fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Peat on August 31, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
That sucks Cam, but think how close you're getting.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on September 01, 2017, 06:11:26 PM
Very frustrating...

But it will come, I'm sure. Just keep knocking on that door.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on September 05, 2017, 12:48:16 PM
So...er, I got a much better email yesterday!! I will see if it pans out and get back to you all. *fingers and toes all crossed please*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on September 05, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
*everything crossed for Cameron*
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on September 05, 2017, 12:55:25 PM
And double-crossed!!

Er, maybe not.

Crossed!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on September 13, 2017, 01:04:21 AM

Just pointed a skyrim and fantasy-novel loving student to your website to read Loose Circuit @tebakutis !
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on September 13, 2017, 03:54:29 AM

Just pointed a skyrim and fantasy-novel loving student to your website to read Loose Circuit @tebakutis !

Oh wow, awesome! Thanks so much, man! It won't be live until October 2, but hopefully they're the patient sort. :p
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on September 13, 2017, 09:39:41 AM
So...er, I got a much better email yesterday!! I will see if it pans out and get back to you all. *fingers and toes all crossed please*

Break a leg!  :o
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on September 13, 2017, 10:13:44 AM
Everything crossed - hope it's good news  ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on October 02, 2017, 03:19:58 AM
Taking the first post of Loose Circuit live in under two hours. I actually have butterflies. First time I've done an "instant" book launch. Ha! Craziness.

We'll see how it goes over the next few weeks.

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on October 02, 2017, 04:15:27 AM
For those of you who don't have it:

https://loosecircuit.com/
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on October 23, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
So a small bit of news. I got Supremacy's Shadow back from my editor. He had this to say (snipped out of his feedback):

Quote
Fantastic book, which is fantastically written. Not sure how may passes you've made, but the MS is clean. Nice to have one like that. Don't get them all that often.

Quote
Read great, solid characters, and the flow was nice. I think it will do well for you.

This guy is a great writer and has been editor for a well-known small press for a number of years, so that's definitely encouraging to hear given how much work I've put into the book. As much as writers often say we don't necessarily need validation, it's always great to hear some reassurance from someone you respect.

Editing starts this week, and I'll hopefully be getting the book out to advance readers by December. The response to Loose Circuit has also been positive (I have a small group of regular readers, so far) so all in all, I'm feeling pretty good!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on October 25, 2017, 07:58:26 AM
tebu that sounds like the best kind of feedback a writer can hope for.

In other news:

http://www.albedo1.com/aeon-award-2016-winners/

(https://i.imgur.com/Jx4j5qo.gif)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on October 25, 2017, 08:36:09 AM
Wow, many congratulations @Magnus Hedén  :D :D

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Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on October 25, 2017, 10:08:36 AM
Oh, wow well done Magnus! That's brilliant news :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on October 25, 2017, 12:18:28 PM
Congratulations Magnus, that is terrific, so glad for you. ;D

And tebakutis that was top feedback as well and a happy thing to happen.  ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on October 25, 2017, 07:56:02 PM
In other news:

http://www.albedo1.com/aeon-award-2016-winners/

Just saw this. AWESOME!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on October 27, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
Thanks, everyone! I'm pretty thrilled, though I know I just need to get back at it, now. It will take a long time before this bears actual fruit, and it's better to spend that time writing more than dreaming about said fruit! ;D

When I was done with that story, I was convinced it was the best thing I had written (still is), but of course doubt always rears its ugly head. It's amazing to have confirmation that I'm not shooting in the dark.

I've spent the year since I wrote Ryder trying to break down what made that story end up in such a good place, only to conclude that "not over-analysing or planning everything in detail" is probably the answer. Once I have enough of an idea to write, I need to stop planning and start writing. I'm still struggling with that. Anyway, onwards!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on October 31, 2017, 12:03:17 AM
I got my first book blurb quote today for Supremacy's Shadow today! It was as snarky as I hoped. I've had a number of other folks offer to read the ARC as well, so I feel fortunate. Hoping for a few more good jokes. :0
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on November 01, 2017, 09:06:19 AM
On a side note, I randomly ran across one of your books on Twitter, @tebakutis. Some guy who said his review of one of your books was his favourite. So, fame achieved?  ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on November 03, 2017, 07:16:20 PM
On a side note, I randomly ran across one of your books on Twitter, @tebakutis. Some guy who said his review of one of your books was his favourite. So, fame achieved?  ;D

Woo hoo! That's always a nice day brightener :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 07, 2017, 06:22:58 AM
Aw, I got an Honorable Mention in last quarter's Writers of the Future competition, which means my story made the last hundred or so stories. Better than an outright rejection though.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on November 07, 2017, 07:20:13 AM
Aw, I got an Honorable Mention in last quarter's Writers of the Future competition, which means my story made the last hundred or so stories. Better than an outright rejection though.

Congrats!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 07, 2017, 07:50:09 AM
I do get a sparkly certificate :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on November 07, 2017, 07:54:55 AM
Yes, Honourable Mention, that's still great, Cam!
Congrats :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on November 07, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
I do get a sparkly certificate :)

Something to hang on your wall of fame! I know I will list any and all of my writing accomplishments. One day, maybe we'll have the luxury of having to filter out the honourable mentions!  ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on November 08, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
I do get a sparkly certificate :)

The competition is very steep for WoTF, that's a great accomplishment!!!

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on November 16, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Some random news, but fun. After mulling it over, I've decided to publish an anthology of my published short stories from 2011-2016, along with some new short stories that have received good feedback (Honorable Mentions from WotF, or the last round of consideration for anthologies). I'm calling the anthology Simulation Disorder, after an affliction from Loose Circuit, since that seems like a great way to sum up a group of sci-fi, horror, and fantasy stories. So, that should be out in the next few weeks, actually ... the e-book is actually all formatted, so I just need to do a few checks and pop it up on Amazon.

This will include all the stories I've had published previously save for my story in Brave New Girls, which won't be included. I'm not publishing that one in the anthology because I want to continue to support their charity efforts. But you'll be able to get the rest of my stories (including ones that aren't in print any longer) very soon. I'm hoping this will give people a quick way to support Loose Circuit if they decide to do so.

As far as content, in addition to eight published short stories from 2011-2016, I'm including two prequel stories to Loose Circuit, one prequel to Supremacy's Shadow, and one to Glyphbinder, as well as four other stories that have come close to selling (17 in all, or about 70k words). So hopefully, they'll be something in there to interest everyone.

Given anthologies are typically tough sell (especially single author anthologies) I'll let you folks know if this one gets any traction.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on November 16, 2017, 04:08:42 PM
An anthology eh? Tough sell for most people but hopefully you can get cross sales between all your books what with prequel stories. Hope it goes well!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on November 16, 2017, 07:26:32 PM
An anthology eh? Tough sell for most people but hopefully you can get cross sales between all your books what with prequel stories. Hope it goes well!

Yup, that's the hope! Since most of these stories were already published/edited, it's been relatively painless to put together (I literally compiled it in a day) and since I'm initially going e-book only, there's not really any expenses involved. So while the returns will be small, it's also a really low investment item, so it made sense.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 06, 2017, 07:24:09 AM
Oh!
What is that official post on the main FF page all about? ;)
Hells yeah!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on December 06, 2017, 07:34:20 AM
Oh!
What is that official post on the main FF page all about? ;)
Hells yeah!

Nice job Cameron!!!!
(in case future generations can't find the article: http://fantasy-faction.com/2017/10-science-fiction-books-and-series-that-made-me-guest-blog-by-cameron-johnston )

I'm ashamed to say I haven't read any of those (I was busy reading Tolkien, Zelazny, TH White, Orwell, Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, CS Lewis, Twain, Piers Anthony, Hickman&Weiss, and King)  Okay that's 11, but I was nerdy and stayed inside and read a lot when I was a kid.  They used to give us stars on this pin and we'd get a personal pizza at Pizza Hut every time we filled one up and I read so much they were all dismayed and I think they thought my parents were just scamming the place b/c I read a freakish amount when I was like super young.

Maybe we should open a thread based on your article where we all put down and debate our 10 early influences?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 06, 2017, 07:53:14 AM
Oh I read all of those back in the day, but who needs me to regurgitate things everybody has heard of :) I just thought the lesser known novels and series' might be more interesting.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on December 06, 2017, 08:12:24 AM
Oh!
What is that official post on the main FF page all about? ;)
Hells yeah!
I just read the first bit now: many congratulations!!!! :D :D
Let this be the first of many:

(http://www.househoncho.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/book-toppers.jpg)

I think you're the first old member to get published yay (not those that joined as they were being signed) - please somebody correct me if I'm wrong
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on December 06, 2017, 09:06:52 AM
Looking forward to checking out the Traitor God!
(and eating Scarlet's cupcakes...)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on December 06, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
W00t, congrats Cameron! :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on December 06, 2017, 11:12:21 AM
Nice, good work! Grats!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on December 06, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Go Cameron that is wonderful, feel need to appropriate a phrase "He persevered." ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Justan Henner on December 06, 2017, 02:05:11 PM
Congrats, Cameron! Looking forward to reading it.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 06, 2017, 04:33:26 PM
Thank all, you are the best! Now all I need to worry about is getting my edits in on time, then the cover reveal, then people actually liking the novel... still, nice problems to have! :p
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on December 06, 2017, 06:56:32 PM
Thank all, you are the best! Now all I need to worry about is getting my edits in on time, t :)hen the cover reveal, then people actually liking the novel... still, nice problems to have! :p

Angry Robot has a good track record and some loyal readers. I think you'll do just fine. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on December 06, 2017, 07:59:19 PM
Congratulations Cameron! Good for you!
Remember the little people when your ship comes in!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on December 06, 2017, 11:10:49 PM
This is truly awesome, @CameronJohnston.
I simply can’t imagine how this must feel.
Well, I can imagine. I just can’t imagine achieving it.
Well, I can imagine —
Oh fuggedaboudit.

Congrats!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Rostum on December 07, 2017, 11:36:54 AM
Wow Cameron congrats
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on December 07, 2017, 07:43:54 PM
Saw this on Twitter so thought I had better pop my head in.

Well done!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on December 11, 2017, 10:41:10 AM
Thanks, all! Just seen some initial sketches of the eventual cover art and I'm awestruck. That's my book. With a cover. That will be in book shops...
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Peat on December 11, 2017, 11:57:41 AM
A very belated congratulations  8)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on December 11, 2017, 12:17:42 PM
(ignore, I just said something silly)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on January 07, 2018, 11:45:52 AM
Aw boo, I had a reprint with Far Fetched Fables who were going to do an audio podcast of one of my stories, but now it looks like they are shutting down. Gutted! I have another story with another podcast that's just gotten through to the 2nd round of consideration, so there is that I guess.

Novel-wise I've returned my edits and seen final cover art. Now I am just waiting on copy edits coming back and looking forward to seeing the cover art with all the text added to it.

Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 07, 2018, 09:23:45 PM
Aw boo, I had a reprint with Far Fetched Fables who were going to do an audio podcast of one of my stories, but now it looks like they are shutting down. Gutted! I have another story with another podcast that's just gotten through to the 2nd round of consideration, so there is that I guess.

Novel-wise I've returned my edits and seen final cover art. Now I am just waiting on copy edits coming back and looking forward to seeing the cover art with all the text added to it.
So like 5 steps forward, half-a-shuffle back. By my math, you're due for another leap forward :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on January 08, 2018, 12:25:18 PM
So the publication that ran the competition I placed third in seems to have gone dark (no replies on e-mail and no updates on their site since the announcement, and they should be announcing shortlists for the 2017 competition). They've been around for a long time so I don't think it's anything scammy, rather I'm worried something has happened. Either way, I have no idea what's going to happen, and the best short story I've written so far is stuck in limbo. Pretty annoying. Not much to do except truck on and write more, but it's damn annoying that what's meant to be my first big step into the writing world just keep stalling.

Just needed to vent, I doubt there's much of a solution to this except wait and hope.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on January 08, 2018, 04:06:57 PM
If this was a novel we could assemble an expedition to investigate and possibly rescue them from the black holes they've fallen into
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on January 13, 2018, 05:18:14 PM
Aw boo, I had a reprint with Far Fetched Fables who were going to do an audio podcast of one of my stories, but now it looks like they are shutting down. Gutted!
That happened to me with Fantasy Scroll Magazine. Very disappointing at the time!

Haven't really been writing or submitting much at all over the last 18 months, to my shame.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on January 15, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
So the publication that ran the competition I placed third in seems to have gone dark (no replies on e-mail and no updates on their site since the announcement, and they should be announcing shortlists for the 2017 competition). They've been around for a long time so I don't think it's anything scammy, rather I'm worried something has happened. Either way, I have no idea what's going to happen, and the best short story I've written so far is stuck in limbo. Pretty annoying. Not much to do except truck on and write more, but it's damn annoying that what's meant to be my first big step into the writing world just keep stalling.

Just needed to vent, I doubt there's much of a solution to this except wait and hope.

I hope that now the festive season is over they will get back up and running soon!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on January 23, 2018, 12:10:30 PM
So, things have been happening!

First up, The Traitor God has been listed on no less than 3 'most anticipated books of 2018' lists, including one by the New York Public Library!!!

https://www.nypl.org/blog/2018/01/22/most-anticipated-books-2018

https://fantasy-hive.co.uk/2018/01/most-anticipated-fantasy-books-of-2018/

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/95-books-sci-fi-fantasy-editors-cant-wait-read-2018/


And next up *drum roll* the cover reveal has been posted on Fantasy Hive! (feel free to share)

https://fantasy-hive.co.uk/2018/01/the-traitor-god-by-cameron-johnston-cover-reveal/
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on January 23, 2018, 12:22:35 PM
"Packed with action and laced with black humor" sounds like my kinda book!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on January 23, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
I really like the cover :D
(work didn't let me open fantasy hive...)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 23, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
I love the cover as well. Very excited to see another F-F author emerge onto the scene. Go go go!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on January 23, 2018, 06:28:39 PM
And next up *drum roll* the cover reveal has been posted on Fantasy Hive! (feel free to share)

https://fantasy-hive.co.uk/2018/01/the-traitor-god-by-cameron-johnston-cover-reveal/

GODDAMN that is an awesome cover. Love it!

Really looking forward to reading this.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on January 23, 2018, 09:02:08 PM
That is a damn fine cover!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: SugoiMe on January 25, 2018, 02:54:44 AM
Epic cover for an epic fantasy. It's beautiful, really, sets the tone of your book without even having to read the blurb (I read the blurb after).
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on January 26, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Thanks, all, I'm very happy with it!
I had a surprising amount of input into the cover artwork, and you don't get that with most publishers. I'm quite blown away by Angry Robot's efforts at involving me in the whole process and taking my thoughts on board, right from the ideas stage, through rough sketches and onto the final artwork. It was a really interesting process to go through.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on January 26, 2018, 02:52:36 PM
I'm quite blown away by Angry Robot's efforts at involving me in the whole process and taking my thoughts on board, right from the ideas stage, through rough sketches and onto the final artwork.

It's almost as if they believe that fully capturing the author's mood, character, and plot ideas - and all of their nuances and undertones - might lead to a better product vs. a corporate committee :)  So glad you're feeling confident moving forward.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on January 29, 2018, 05:45:26 PM
The cover looks superb, Cameron.

I look forward to reading it. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on February 07, 2018, 08:15:49 AM
I finally got word from Albedo One (the publication that runs the competition I placed third in). Apparently, the guy responsible had had problems with illness in the family, but he informed me that things were now back on track, and asked me for my PayPal so he could send me my prize money! It'll be months yet before I'm actually published, but I'm much relieved to find out it's still happening.

So, woo!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 07, 2018, 10:09:14 AM
I finally got word from Albedo One (the publication that runs the competition I placed third in). Apparently, the guy responsible had had problems with illness in the family, but he informed me that things were now back on track, and asked me for my PayPal so he could send me my prize money! It'll be months yet before I'm actually published, but I'm much relieved to find out it's still happening.

So, woo!
Hurrah! Glad to hear they got back to you and it's all moving again.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on February 07, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
Thanks! It makes me a realise how much I've hung myself up on this one thing (hint: too much). But yeah, it's my first step into the world of "real writers", so it's a pretty big deal to me. I just need to relax and GET BACK TO WRITING MORE STUFF LIKE THAT. Ahem.

Move along.  8)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on February 07, 2018, 06:42:24 PM
Great stuff. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on February 07, 2018, 08:48:23 PM
Thanks, all, I'm very happy with it!
I had a surprising amount of input into the cover artwork, and you don't get that with most publishers. I'm quite blown away by Angry Robot's efforts at involving me in the whole process and taking my thoughts on board, right from the ideas stage, through rough sketches and onto the final artwork. It was a really interesting process to go through.

Sounds awesome. I'm guessing publishers that aren't huge see the value in giving writers more input. That's one of the big advantages of self-publishing; controlling all the aspects of your book and PR. I'm guessing the more successful self-publishers we see, the more publishing houses will adapt. I think it's quite inevitable that they will have to adapt.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on February 08, 2018, 01:47:24 AM
@CameronJohnston and @Magnus Hedén  Really pleased to see good news in this thread after long hard climbs and disappointments. ;D 

You do realise we are all enjoying your excitement and glory vicariously here? Please keep us informed of any more publicity steps or links and ways we can spread the word. ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on February 08, 2018, 05:52:51 AM
Nice! So happy for both you guys.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on February 08, 2018, 08:03:02 AM
You do realise we are all enjoying your excitement and glory vicariously here?
This!
I feel really proud of you and can brag I "know" you and the other published authors in the forum, like Eli and tebakutis ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 08, 2018, 09:01:18 AM
Sounds awesome. I'm guessing publishers that aren't huge see the value in giving writers more input. That's one of the big advantages of self-publishing; controlling all the aspects of your book and PR. I'm guessing the more successful self-publishers we see, the more publishing houses will adapt. I think it's quite inevitable that they will have to adapt.

I'm not so sure. At the end of the day it's the publisher's money gambled on the book's success so they will most certainly do their best to give it a good cover, and big publishers hire professionals in art and marketing to do all of that - many authors have atrocious artistic tastes when it comes to cover designing. Fortunately I think mine coincided perfectly with Angry Robots on this one :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 08, 2018, 09:04:00 AM
@CameronJohnston and @Magnus Hedén  Really pleased to see good news in this thread after long hard climbs and disappointments. ;D 

You do realise we are all enjoying your excitement and glory vicariously here? Please keep us informed of any more publicity steps or links and ways we can spread the word. ;D

Glad to hear it!  :) But there will be so many blog posts, interviews and bit and pieces coming up in the lead up to June that I couldn't possibly post every little bit here - I want to see what everybody else is up to here!  I'll mostly be posting those things on my website and Twitter.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on February 08, 2018, 10:28:25 AM
@CameronJohnston and @Magnus Hedén  Really pleased to see good news in this thread after long hard climbs and disappointments. ;D 

You do realise we are all enjoying your excitement and glory vicariously here? Please keep us informed of any more publicity steps or links and ways we can spread the word. ;D

Glad to hear it!  :) But there will be so many blog posts, interviews and bit and pieces coming up in the lead up to June that I couldn't possibly post every little bit here - I want to see what everybody else is up to here!  I'll mostly be posting those things on my website and Twitter.

What if you made a running list in a single post you keep updating as a reference so we could look it up as a reference?  I love reading interviews with people I know (virtually), and I for one would find it educational to see how the whole marketing experience goes for new authors. Or will that all be consolidated on your website?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 08, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
I guess I could update the thread under Upcoming Conventions & Book Releases with all the marketing, blog posts at various sites, interviews etc that are happening in the lead up to the book launch if that's a thing people here are interested in and would find it educational to see how the whole marketing experience goes for a new author?

That keeps this thread free to celebrate all the other awesome stuff going on, and the frustrating near-misses and commiseration over rejections and everything else.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on February 08, 2018, 11:30:27 AM

Haha in my case i think I have only far-misses as far as my fiction is concerned.

Non-fiction on the other hand, I've constantly got people asking me to write things-- I've got a book chapter coming out the interconnection between enviro issues, poverty and civil war for an Enviro studies book, and I just got a request to write a review of a book on mining.  I get people asking me to write more than I can keep up with.

If only someone had even a remote interest in my fiction!!!!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 08, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
You are in demand! Maybe turn your hand to writing a fictional non-fiction book? The crossover that everybody has been needing without knowing!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on February 08, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
@CameronJohnston : just pre-ordered on Amazon
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 08, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
@CameronJohnston : just pre-ordered on Amazon

Thanks so much Jmack! That's wonderful of you. It's very humbling just how great and supportive people are being. Writing is often said to be a lonely, solitary pursuit, but I've never found that to be true :)

Incidentally, Brian McClellan has a great post on why pre-orders matter - something I've only just found out myself. It makes for interesting reading on the business side of trade publishing.
http://www.brianmcclellan.com/blog/the-importance-of-pre-orders
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on February 12, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
I don't post here much but this is absolutely my favourite forum thread on the internet. Absolutely wonderful to see all your successes!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on February 13, 2018, 01:04:29 AM
So while it's not a huge thing, there was a short story competition at Farpoint this weekend, which I attended as an author guest. I submitted a story along with twelve other authors, with all thirteen to be voted on by the con staff and con attendees. To my shock and surprise, my story won first place. Still kind of giddy about that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Ryan Mueller on February 13, 2018, 02:49:55 AM
I'm thinking I'm going to do something different with the editing process for the final two books of my World in Chains series. I feel like I need to do at least a little editing of both books (rather than just the third book) before releasing the third book. I had a lot of crazy things happen in the fourth book, and I want to make sure I keep everything consistent.

I also need to get back to writing the final book of my trilogy The God War's Chosen. It's been coming in fits and starts, and I need to find more consistency. Maybe once I have a normal 9 to 5 job and no school to worry about, I'll be able to carve out a more consistent writing schedule.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on February 13, 2018, 12:20:28 PM
So while it's not a huge thing, there was a short story competition at Farpoint this weekend, which I attended as an author guest. I submitted a story along with twelve other authors, with all thirteen to be voted on by the con staff and con attendees. To my shock and surprise, my story won first place. Still kind of giddy about that.
Saw this on Twitter and was waiting for you to post here - Congratulations again! Looked like a very nice trophy to boot!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Justan Henner on February 14, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
So while it's not a huge thing, there was a short story competition at Farpoint this weekend, which I attended as an author guest. I submitted a story along with twelve other authors, with all thirteen to be voted on by the con staff and con attendees. To my shock and surprise, my story won first place. Still kind of giddy about that.

Congrats, Teb!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on February 14, 2018, 01:54:28 PM
So while it's not a huge thing, there was a short story competition at Farpoint this weekend, which I attended as an author guest. I submitted a story along with twelve other authors, with all thirteen to be voted on by the con staff and con attendees. To my shock and surprise, my story won first place. Still kind of giddy about that.
Awesome news, well done! :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on February 15, 2018, 08:17:27 AM
So while it's not a huge thing, there was a short story competition at Farpoint this weekend, which I attended as an author guest. I submitted a story along with twelve other authors, with all thirteen to be voted on by the con staff and con attendees. To my shock and surprise, my story won first place. Still kind of giddy about that.

(https://img.tesco.com/Groceries/pi/670/5055927002670/IDShot_540x540.jpg)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on February 15, 2018, 08:19:08 AM
Great job!!!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on February 15, 2018, 10:25:10 AM
@tebakutis: Can we read the winning story? Pretty please? ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on February 15, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
@tebakutis: Can we read the winning story? Pretty please? ;D

It's actually the story I asked a few people to critique in the Writer's Group forum (Splitting Arrows) with some minor tweaks from those folks and my writer's group! But yeah, I don't see why I couldn't repost it. Will do so soon!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Ryan Mueller on February 16, 2018, 06:28:03 AM
@tebakutis: Can we read the winning story? Pretty please? ;D

It's actually the story I asked a few people to critique in the Writer's Group forum (Splitting Arrows) with some minor tweaks from those folks and my writer's group! But yeah, I don't see why I couldn't repost it. Will do so soon!

Congrats on the story! I'll have to take a look at it.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on March 06, 2018, 05:15:34 PM
So, I ordered my Yeti (microphone) yesterday, and it looks like I'll be narrating my own audiobook version of Supremacy's Shadow. Wish me luck! (on making sure it doesn't suck)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Skip on March 06, 2018, 05:53:36 PM
If you remember, please let us know what you thought of the microphone. I'm thinking of doing my own narration as well.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: dinogenetics on March 06, 2018, 07:58:33 PM
Looked up the Yeti microphone on Amazon, saw this under the Q & A section, and can't stop giggling!

Question:
do you need a poop filter for this

Answer:
you may need one for those bathroom interviews
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on March 08, 2018, 02:29:11 AM
If you remember, please let us know what you thought of the microphone. I'm thinking of doing my own narration as well.

Will do! Got it today and will do some test recordings as soon as the little one is safely in bed.

Question:
do you need a poop filter for this

Answer:
you may need one for those bathroom interviews


Honestly Amazon gets the best questions sometimes :P
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on March 16, 2018, 03:39:10 PM
So I was chatting with friends last night and we were talking about the journey of artists from their humble beginnings when their technical skills are poor, through much work and time, to the point when they can execute their ideas fully. Of course, I mentioned my F-F acquaintances who are what I call "emerging authors", and how much I've enjoyed hearing of their experiences and seeing things unfold for them. If I have a point, it is only that your success and progress have a positive impact beyond your own careers, and that is an encouraging and hopeful thought.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Ryan Mueller on March 18, 2018, 12:22:52 AM
So, I ordered my Yeti (microphone) yesterday, and it looks like I'll be narrating my own audiobook version of Supremacy's Shadow. Wish me luck! (on making sure it doesn't suck)

I hate the sound of my voice, so I don't think I could ever do that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Ryan Mueller on March 18, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
So I was chatting with friends last night and we were talking about the journey of artists from their humble beginnings when their technical skills are poor, through much work and time, to the point when they can execute their ideas fully. Of course, I mentioned my F-F acquaintances who are what I call "emerging authors", and how much I've enjoyed hearing of their experiences and seeing things unfold for them. If I have a point, it is only that your success and progress have a positive impact beyond your own careers, and that is an encouraging and hopeful thought.

Maybe one day, I'll get to the point when I can succeed in completely fulfilling the vision I have for my books. It's not that I'm unhappy with what I've written and published. I just feel like there's so much more I can do to continue improving.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Not Lu on March 18, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
So I was chatting with friends last night and we were talking about the journey of artists from their humble beginnings when their technical skills are poor, through much work and time, to the point when they can execute their ideas fully. Of course, I mentioned my F-F acquaintances who are what I call "emerging authors", and how much I've enjoyed hearing of their experiences and seeing things unfold for them. If I have a point, it is only that your success and progress have a positive impact beyond your own careers, and that is an encouraging and hopeful thought.

The important thing is to surround yourself with positive and successful people. Their experience rubs off a bit, which helps you to be successful. It's even better if your friends are interested in your success too.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 05, 2018, 01:27:48 PM
So here we go - The Traitor God is now available on NetGalley for reviewers to read and work their magic.

Eep.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on April 18, 2018, 09:57:48 AM
Hmh, not sure where I should put this, so I'm kind of dumping this here.

A lot of people have complimented that my actions scenes are pretty good, but the scenes between could be rather dull. Does anyone have any tips/ pointers on what should I do/ add to improve these scenes?  ???
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 18, 2018, 11:28:38 AM
A few suggestions:
-More character interaction - jokes, arguments, bitching at each other, emotional turmoil.
-Practice dialogue and make it sparkling.
-Characters torn between doing one thing or another. Bonus points if it's a horrible choice to make.
-More mysteries to uncover as you go along, exciting reveals and ancient ruins.
-Weird and wonderful worldbuilding and/or descriptions.
-Have non-fighting excitement: They are chased and a wagon wheel breaks, forcing them to flee on foot in a storm and get lost. Cross a rickety wooden bridge. Lose a weapon or water skin. Have their gold stolen etc.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on April 18, 2018, 11:58:10 AM
A few suggestions:
-More character interaction - jokes, arguments, bitching at each other, emotional turmoil.
-Practice dialogue and make it sparkling.
-Characters torn between doing one thing or another. Bonus points if it's a horrible choice to make.
-More mysteries to uncover as you go along, exciting reveals and ancient ruins.
-Weird and wonderful worldbuilding and/or descriptions.
-Have non-fighting excitement: They are chased and a wagon wheel breaks, forcing them to flee on foot in a storm and get lost. Cross a rickety wooden bridge. Lose a weapon or water skin. Have their gold stolen etc.

Wow, those are amazing @CameronJohnston! I'm going to bookmark this now.  :D Thank you so much for this list!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: cupiscent on April 18, 2018, 11:58:16 PM
Max Gladstone once wrote a blog post that I return to again and again on the topic of giving every non-fight scene the tension and urgency of a fight scene: Of Meat Hooks and Desire (https://bstaveley.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/guest-post-of-meat-hooks-and-desire-by-max-gladstone/). He basically talks about keeping focus on conflict, and that not all conflict is or needs to be physical, tangible or even overt.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on April 19, 2018, 12:46:59 AM
A few suggestions:
-More character interaction - jokes, arguments, bitching at each other, emotional turmoil.
-Practice dialogue and make it sparkling.
-Characters torn between doing one thing or another. Bonus points if it's a horrible choice to make.
-More mysteries to uncover as you go along, exciting reveals and ancient ruins.
-Weird and wonderful worldbuilding and/or descriptions.
-Have non-fighting excitement: They are chased and a wagon wheel breaks, forcing them to flee on foot in a storm and get lost. Cross a rickety wooden bridge. Lose a weapon or water skin. Have their gold stolen etc.

Are those spoilers for A Traitor God ?  Can't wait for the broken wagon part. 8)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on April 19, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
Goodness, no, I can't give away all my secrets! TWO wagons break in mine.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Ryan Mueller on April 23, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
Hmh, not sure where I should put this, so I'm kind of dumping this here.

A lot of people have complimented that my actions scenes are pretty good, but the scenes between could be rather dull. Does anyone have any tips/ pointers on what should I do/ add to improve these scenes?  ???

The biggest thing you can do is inject more conflict into those scenes. It doesn't have to be an action-scene type of conflict. Instead of a simple conversation, write a conversation where characters are at odds with one another.

I've also found injecting a bit of mystery can help. Or you can have some great revelations during these quieter times.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on June 03, 2018, 10:07:43 PM
Finished the first draft of my next Supremacy novel last night. I'm pretty happy with it. Next onto the writer's group and then I start collecting agent rejections!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on June 03, 2018, 10:08:53 PM
Good stuff, T.

I finally hit 40k on Book 1 today. Maybe, just maybe, I'll get there one day!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 04, 2018, 08:54:57 AM
Good luck with the agent merrygoround @tebakutis I hope it gets snapped up.

@JRTroughton - 40k is nothing to be sniffed at! If you are wanting to write a 100k novel then that means you are ONLY 10k away from 50k, which is half a novel. Then you are ONLY 13k away from 66k which is 2/3 of a novel. Then you are ONLY a mere 9k away from 3/4 of a novel! Then you are on the home stretch and the finish line is in sight.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on June 04, 2018, 08:30:14 PM
Thanks for the encouragement. It's most certainly needed!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on June 08, 2018, 04:28:31 PM
Cameron is quoting the "How do you eat an elephant?" riddle - one bite at a time.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 20, 2018, 01:50:24 PM
So things are still roaring along for me at the moment.

In Hungary the translation rights to the Traitor God have been acquired by F?nix Könyvm?hely, with the book being published sometime within the next year. Czech folks will see the translation published by Euromedia Group sometime within the next two.

Book 2 of the duology has been greenlit and is being frantically written!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on June 20, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
So things are still roaring along for me at the moment.

In Hungary the translation rights to the Traitor God have been acquired by F?nix Könyvm?hely, with the book being published sometime within the next year. Czech folks will see the translation published by Euromedia Group sometime within the next two.

Book 2 of the duology has been greenlit and is being frantically written!

Do you have a sense for sales yet? Just curious.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 21, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
Haven't the faintest idea I'm afraid. Not badly, I think, though also not OMG!!! I suppose as a debut author things tend to pick up a bit when it starts (hopefully) getting more decent reviews up on Amazon.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on June 21, 2018, 01:46:45 PM
Haven't the faintest idea I'm afraid. Not badly, I think, though also not OMG!!! I suppose as a debut author things tend to pick up a bit when it starts (hopefully) getting more decent reviews up on Amazon.

Speaking of... just submitted mine, and it should post shortly.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on June 21, 2018, 08:12:11 PM
Haven't the faintest idea I'm afraid. Not badly, I think, though also not OMG!!! I suppose as a debut author things tend to pick up a bit when it starts (hopefully) getting more decent reviews up on Amazon.

That reminds me I need to post a shortened version of my Fantasy-Hive review on Amazon and Goodreads. Will try to remember to do that tonight!

EDIT: And done! Reviews up on Amazon and Goodreads.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 22, 2018, 08:37:29 AM
Oh wow, thanks so much for the reviews @tebakutis and @JMack that really does help :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Rostum on June 22, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
If memory serves the money is in the tail not initial sales. That said congrats on translation that is a risky step for foreign publishers to take on a debut. Take heart in that they consider you worth the risk your domestic sales cannot be disappointing
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on June 22, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
I rarely use Goodreads. @CameronJohnston, would it help much for to post a review there?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 22, 2018, 01:24:04 PM
I rarely use Goodreads. @CameronJohnston, would it help much for to post a review there?
It really would, especially in these early days before review numbers build up. As far as I can gather Amazon reviews are the most important for a new book, followed by Goodreads and a mix of bloggers and people mentioning it on places like Reddit r/fantasy to raise awareness.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on June 27, 2018, 04:35:30 PM
For upcoming writers, every review helps, even if it's not a five-star. It puts the book on people's radar!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on July 06, 2018, 11:18:50 AM
And an acceptance in from Heroic Fantasy Quarterly to kick off my Friday :)  They have taken The Blitz of Din Barham, a story I originally wrote for the Guns & Dragons anthology featuring a magician's apprentice taking on a dragon using the power of chemistry.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: The Gem Cutter on July 06, 2018, 03:16:16 PM
Good for you Cameron!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on July 06, 2018, 10:06:53 PM
And an acceptance in from Heroic Fantasy Quarterly to kick off my Friday :)  They have taken The Blitz of Din Barham, a story I originally wrote for the Guns & Dragons anthology featuring a magician's apprentice taking on a dragon using the power of chemistry.

Nice!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Toby Frost on July 09, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
I’m in a weird situation where quite a lot could happen, but there’s no guarantee that it actually will. Last year the sixth book in a series I wrote was published, and I felt that it was time to stop (for now at least). Since then, I’ve written a short SF novel about spies, robots and memory, which my agent is currently looking at, and I’ve started to try to revise some fantasy stories that I wrote a few years back, with a view to self-publishing them later this year. I’ve never self-published anything before, so it’s going to be a strange experience. There’s also a short play that I wrote for a friend’s podcast/website, so there are a lot of projects that could end up having interesting results. Of course, I’ve no idea if any of them will…
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on July 10, 2018, 09:24:07 AM
Yikes, that is a whole lot of pots on the boil, Toby!  I hope at least some of them do really well.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Toby Frost on July 10, 2018, 11:23:32 AM
Thanks! To be honest, there's a certain element of throwing everything at the wall and hoping some of it sticks!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on July 11, 2018, 09:43:26 PM
The Traitor God returns (https://www.angryrobotbooks.com/2018/07/the-traitor-god-returns/)

Yay :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Rostum on July 12, 2018, 08:52:11 PM
Coolbeans I am still enjoying the first one. Too much work and not enough reading.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on July 13, 2018, 04:00:51 PM
Updates from me!

Two rejections on my latest grimsnark scifi thriller, but, I recently got a "first 50 pages" request from an agent I'm excited about. So, that's better than a straight up rejection. I still think it's like a 5% chance, but better than nothing.

I did a special on Glyphbinder (my first book) last month and it was actually fairly successful. I put it up for free on KDP Select (Amazon only) and also paid a small fee to a gentleman with a large newsletter audience. As such, I managed to move around 850 (free) books, which will get a lot of new readers into my fantasy trilogy, and has caused my Kindle Unlimited pages on both the first book and its sequels to go from 0 to an average of a few 100 each day, which is really nice. So, I'd definitely recommend Kindle giveaways for those who books aren't "wide".

Also, I recently joined the Science Fiction Writers of America (SFWA) based on my game design experience, and I'm finding a ton of great resources. In addition to connecting me with many published and experienced authors, they provide a ton of great resources, such as a booth at Worldcon that will sell your books on commission (I'll be attending this year!), discounts on common writer resources such as Netgalley, and additional visibility for your books (indie or not) for other SFWA members and promotional outlets.

So, I've been very pleased with the resources SFWA provides and definitely think it was good investment. Hoping to make some additional contacts at Worldcon.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: NedMarcus on July 14, 2018, 01:47:59 AM
Are Goodreads reviews different from others? I recently got a review on Goodreads saying how much she liked the book and wanted to read more, but then gave it 3 stars. I'm pleased with the review, and pleased she enjoyed reading my novel, but a little puzzled. Do reviewers on Goodreads give different meanings to their star ratings than on Amazon?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on July 14, 2018, 05:09:10 AM
Are Goodreads reviews different from others? I recently got a review on Goodreads saying how much she liked the book and wanted to read more, but then gave it 3 stars. I'm pleased with the review, and pleased she enjoyed reading my novel, but a little puzzled. Do reviewers on Goodreads give different meanings to their star ratings than on Amazon?

We had a discussion not long ago about this and in general we all seem to have our own personal ideas about awarding stars. Goodreads may have a scale of its own, but we all still tend to do our own thing.

I give 3 stars to books I enjoyed but not enough to read again or follow a series, although recognising others may do so.  Unlike the person who gave you 3 stars but wants to read more, on my scale you would have got a 4, so it is pretty subjective.

Here is the thread

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/fantasy-book-discussion/how-do-you-rate-your-stars-what-does-it-mean-when-you-give-a-book-a-star/
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: NedMarcus on July 14, 2018, 06:25:14 AM
on my scale you would have got a 4, so it is pretty subjective.

How do you know? You might have loved it  8)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Lady Ty on July 14, 2018, 07:12:11 AM
 ;D ;D Indeed you are right, I better get on to GR and check it out. But dont hold your breath, my TBR of authors from here is already a long list. ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Eclipse on July 14, 2018, 07:35:43 AM
What is your book called @NedMarcus ? You should put a link in your sig.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: NedMarcus on July 14, 2018, 02:00:30 PM
What is your book called @NedMarcus ? You should put a link in your sig.

The book's called Blue Prometheus. The link's a good idea; I've been meaning to add it.

Many writers in the SPBO 2018, including me, are putting their books up for sale for 99c, from 1-5th August. I'd like to put up a link somewhere here, not sure where, nearer the time. There should be 100+ fantasy novels on sale then. @WilliamRay is there, too.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: WilliamRay on July 14, 2018, 03:14:16 PM
Many writers in the SPBO 2018, including me, are putting their books up for sale for 99c, from 1-5th August. I'd like to put up a link somewhere here, not sure where, nearer the time. There should be 100+ fantasy novels on sale then. @WilliamRay is there, too.

We're not supposed to tell people that yet, so... shhh!  ;)
I haven't read Blue Prometheus yet, but it looks frightfully good, considering that our books are squared off against each other in the very first round of SPFBO!  Yikes. :D

But yes, for those wishing to play the SPFBO home game, there may or may not be a sale so you can more easily afford read along with the epic conflict of SPFBO 2018... a sale which I definitely gave you no hint would be happening, if it did happen, which maybe it won't, I'm certainly not saying.

If it were to happen, maybe Ned will come back and post a link to it later, if such a thing existed, which it might, but I'm certainly not saying it will or that he would, or that either of us are involved, if it is happening, because I can neither confirm nor deny it.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: NedMarcus on July 15, 2018, 05:08:58 AM
Many writers in the SPBO 2018, including me, are putting their books up for sale for 99c, from 1-5th August. I'd like to put up a link somewhere here, not sure where, nearer the time. There should be 100+ fantasy novels on sale then. @WilliamRay is there, too.

We're not supposed to tell people that yet, so... shhh!  ;)
I haven't read Blue Prometheus yet, but it looks frightfully good, considering that our books are squared off against each other in the very first round of SPFBO!  Yikes. :D

...If it were to happen, maybe Ned will come back and post a link to it later, if such a thing existed, which it might, but I'm certainly not saying it will or that he would, or that either of us are involved, if it is happening, because I can neither confirm nor deny it.

If it were to happen, Ned might do that. The competition is strong all the way, I think, so anything could happen, but given the choice, I'd have preferred not meet other members here in the first round—the final round maybe  :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on July 28, 2018, 05:18:23 AM
I had some success with a recent book promotion, so I thought I'd share my experience for my indie friends on these forums.

Recently, I moved Glyphbinder, Demonkin, and Bloodmender (my first trilogy) over to KDP Select, which means you get some additional benefits in exchange for selling your e-books on Amazon only. Glyphbinder was available on other platforms, but wasn't selling literally anything, so I figured, why not?

When you enroll in KDP Select, Amazon gives you two promotion options you can use once every 90 days. One of these is a giveaway, where you can make your e-book free for a few days and Amazon will promote it. This is the option I chose for Glyphbinder (my first book) and I timed it with a small ad buy at Free Kindle Books (http://fkbt.com/ ), a mailing list with charges $25. The promotion actually worked really well.

With the aid of the FKBT add, I ended up with over 800 downloads during my giveaway period (4 days). In the month and change since, this has settled into a steady uptick in e-both book sales (Glyphbinder is the first book in a trilogy, leading to sales of the second two books) and a big uptick in Kindle Unlimited page reads (steady traffic for almost a month now, compared to 0 before). So, at least for a completed trilogy, this was a successful promotion by my (limited) standards, as the resulting sales and Kindle Unlimited reads will shortly pay for the $25 dollar expense and I may even make a small profit. The biggest benefit, obviously, was a massive (relative to prior readership) uptick in readers.

I don't know how effective this would be without a trilogy to sell, but I thought I'd share my experience since we have a number of indie authors on the boards.

In other news, I have three rejections on my current finished novel (another Supremacy book) and one agent bite so far.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on July 28, 2018, 05:36:31 AM
I had some success with a recent book promotion, so I thought I'd share my experience for my indie friends on these forums.

Recently, I moved Glyphbinder, Demonkin, and Bloodmender (my first trilogy) over to KDP Select, which means you get some additional benefits in exchange for selling your e-books on Amazon only. Glyphbinder was available on other platforms, but wasn't selling literally anything, so I figured, why not?

When you enroll in KDP Select, Amazon gives you two promotion options you can use once every 90 days. One of these is a giveaway, where you can make your e-book free for a few days and Amazon will promote it. This is the option I chose for Glyphbinder (my first book) and I timed it with a small ad buy at Free Kindle Books (http://fkbt.com/ ), a mailing list with charges $25. The promotion actually worked really well.

With the aid of the FKBT add, I ended up with over 800 downloads during my giveaway period (4 days). In the month and change since, this has settled into a steady uptick in e-both book sales (Glyphbinder is the first book in a trilogy, leading to sales of the second two books) and a big uptick in Kindle Unlimited page reads (steady traffic for almost a month now, compared to 0 before). So, at least for a completed trilogy, this was a successful promotion by my (limited) standards, as the resulting sales and Kindle Unlimited reads will shortly pay for the $25 dollar expense and I may even make a small profit. The biggest benefit, obviously, was a massive (relative to prior readership) uptick in readers.

I don't know how effective this would be without a trilogy to sell, but I thought I'd share my experience since we have a number of indie authors on the boards.

In other news, I have three rejections on my current finished novel (another Supremacy book) and one agent bite so far.

Wowww!!!  800!!! That's incredible!

Sorry to hear on the Supremacy rejections, your SciFi is really top notch and it needs to get out there so people can read it :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: NedMarcus on July 28, 2018, 01:16:13 PM
The biggest benefit, obviously, was a massive (relative to prior readership) uptick in readers.

I don't know how effective this would be without a trilogy to sell, but I thought I'd share my experience since we have a number of indie authors on the boards.
Well done. I don't think this would work so well for a single book, but reading stories like this (and I've heard similar stories before) motivates me to finish my second and third books.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on July 28, 2018, 04:09:05 PM
800 is really good going. I hope it translates into many sales of the other two in the trilogy and some word spreading.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: WilliamRay on August 01, 2018, 01:59:44 PM
Because we mentioned it here, without getting too spammy I thought I'd toss up a quick link to the SPBFO sale going on the first five days of August -- over 120 SPFBO titles are up marked down to 99c/p. http://www.andreadomanski.com/spfbo (http://www.andreadomanski.com/spfbo)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on August 07, 2018, 05:16:37 AM
I was looking at the submission page of short stories for online magazines today. Whew, being as hopeless as I am, I'd say that's a quick way to feel depressed for sure.  :P
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 07, 2018, 06:53:37 AM
I was looking at the submission page of short stories for online magazines today. Whew, being as hopeless as I am, I'd say that's a quick way to feel depressed for sure.  :P

Why?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 07, 2018, 07:48:56 AM
I was looking at the submission page of short stories for online magazines today. Whew, being as hopeless as I am, I'd say that's a quick way to feel depressed for sure.  :P

Anything we can help with?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on August 07, 2018, 08:57:57 AM
I was looking at the submission page of short stories for online magazines today. Whew, being as hopeless as I am, I'd say that's a quick way to feel depressed for sure.  :P

Why?

Ah yeah, many of the small publishers that I used to send my materials to are now closed to submission. (Some even permanently, others will probably be closed for a long while) I have no hopes for the big ones too. It's nothing actually, hahah, probably just my mood for this stressful week.

Much thanks to you both!  :D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 07, 2018, 09:23:18 AM
I was looking at the submission page of short stories for online magazines today. Whew, being as hopeless as I am, I'd say that's a quick way to feel depressed for sure.  :P

Why?

Ah yeah, many of the small publishers that I used to send my materials to are now closed to submission. (Some even permanently, others will probably be closed for a long while) I have no hopes for the big ones too. It's nothing actually, hahah, probably just my mood for this stressful week.

Much thanks to you both!  :D

I feel you. The hill seems to keep getting steeper. Did you see my anthology post in the submissions thread? Try that out
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 07, 2018, 01:24:23 PM
Heroic Fantasy Quarterly have published The Blitz of Din Barham, which was originally written for the Fantasy Faction Guns & Dragons anthology.
http://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=2509
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: ScarletBea on August 07, 2018, 01:47:19 PM
Heroic Fantasy Quarterly have published The Blitz of Din Barham, which was originally written for the Fantasy Faction Guns & Dragons anthology.
http://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=2509
You're on a roll today ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on August 09, 2018, 10:35:57 AM
So I've had a bit of a rough patch with writing but things are turning in the right direction again. While I'm still waiting on my first story getting published (I'm so sick of these people by now... ), I made a positive change by switching my Patreon from monthly to "per-thing", which basically means I decide when my patrons get charged. It's a huge load off my back because the negative pressure to perform is gone, replaced by a positive pressure (if I write a story and post it, I get paid). Knowing myself, I'll make less money this way cause I won't charge for anything I'm not proud of, but I feel freer already.

Oh, and talking about freedom, I found an app that blocks me out of social media (and anything else I choose, including programs). It's been a huge relief for me. It's set to automatically lock me out every morning, and I turn it on for 45-minute chunks when I'm sitting down to work or write in the afternoon. Productivity is on a steady incline. It's stupid how often I find myself clicking those links when I'm supposed to be working, but it's also enlightening.

If you want to find out more, the app is called Freedom (http://bit.ly/2neJKNJ), and it's free to try. (Full disclosure: the link is a referral that I get a bonus from if you end up registering).
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JMack on August 09, 2018, 11:13:35 AM
So,@magnus hedin, is F-F part of the social media block?  ;D
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Magnus Hedén on August 09, 2018, 11:35:54 AM
So,@magnus hedin, is F-F part of the social media block?  ;D

Yes. .__.

That's why I only came on here after 11 am today, when I'd done a considerable amount of work.  8)
Title: Re: The King's Paws (with one holding a bottle of Peri Peri sauce.)
Post by: Eli_Freysson on August 15, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
Huh.

I... have a bit of news.

You know that Romanian fantasy magazine that contacted me months ago, basically because they happened upon me online by chance? Well, this July their third issue came out, featuring the first chapter in The War of the Usurper, which also stands on its own as a short story.

The editor just contacted me. We had a Facebook phonecall, and he told me that the reception in Romania to the story has been very positive. He offered to let publishers in his country have my email address, and possibly publishers of other fantasy magazines in other countries.

We spoke for a while, and he asked about my general writing career, my life and stuff like that, though his first question was how many entries the sci-fi series has (four). He also pointed the webcamera at a woman who I guess was his wife, and she told me how much she loved the story.

He is going to contact me again next week. As for those publishers he did warn me that reaction times to stuff like this can be rather long in Romania.

So...

Experience has taught me to hope very carefully when it comes to my writing career. I'm now trying to break into traditional publishing precisely because I'm sick of disappointment brought on by my non-existent marketing skills. But this is the first foot I get inside this particular door. Or toe, at least.

It would be kind of amazing if my big break comes from Romania of all places, through a stroke of blind luck.

I think I'll go downtown for beer in a little while.
Title: Re: Re: The King's Paws (with one holding a bottle of Peri Peri sauce.)
Post by: ScarletBea on August 15, 2018, 06:35:39 PM
Wahey! Lots of good luck!
 :D

I love reading all these good news about FF people
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on August 16, 2018, 04:31:56 AM
So back at Balticon, I learned Supremacy's Shadow was going to be reviewed in the Sep/Oct issue of Analog Science Fiction and Fact. Naturally, despite being told this by the actual *reviewer*, my mind still refused to accept it as fact. I was floored.

Today, having arrived at Worldcon, I met some fellow authors who were also on the plane with me and took an Uber to my hotel. One of them had the latest edition of Analog. My book is, in fact, reviewed in the Sep/Oct issue... and they LIKED IT.

HOLY COW. I am still processing, but as you can imagine, I am excited and pleased. I will post some excerpts from the review once I can get my hands on my own copy of the issue, hopefully tomorrow at the Worldcon dealer's room. But this is awesome!
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 16, 2018, 08:33:46 AM
Good luck @Eli_Freysson I hope good things come from this!

@tebakutis - Analog? Sweeeet! That's such a great magazine to have reviewing  Supremacy's Shadow. You need to get tweeting/posting on Facebook about that.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: J.R. Darewood on August 16, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
.

Today, having arrived at Worldcon, I met some fellow authors who were also on the plane with me and took an Uber to my hotel. One of them had the latest edition of Analog. My book is, in fact, reviewed in the Sep/Oct issue... and they LIKED IT.


How could they *not* like it, that's the question! That's great Teb, but more importantly well-deserved
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on August 19, 2018, 05:29:58 AM
How could they *not* like it, that's the question! That's great Teb, but more importantly well-deserved

@tebakutis - Analog? Sweeeet! That's such a great magazine to have reviewing  Supremacy's Shadow. You need to get tweeting/posting on Facebook about that.

I finally got my hands on the issue today, so as promised, here's my favorite pull quotes I am still freaking out over the review, in a good way. What's that thing Jen Williams says? I'm chuffed. I'm totally chuffed!

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"...for all its grim and gritty content, Supremacy's Shadow sparkles with wit and humor. Hayden Cross covers his inner turmoil with the kind of devil-may-care banter that we're accustomed to hearing from the mouths of Humphrey Bogart, Harrison Ford, or Bruce Willis."

"If you're looking for an old-school snarky hero in an up-to-date SF book, this is the story for you."

-Don Sakers, Analog Science Fiction and Fact
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on August 20, 2018, 08:47:10 AM
Absolutely delighted for both you Eli and you, Teba. Getting a positive review in Analog is fantastic and hopefully all your hard work is starting to pay off for you, Eli... if from a somewhat unlikely source!

Congratulations all. :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: Eli_Freysson on August 22, 2018, 10:24:12 PM
Hm.

An hour ago that Romanian fellow asked me what my conditions would be for a Romanian-language release of the entire The Golden Throne series.

I had no answer other than "a fair deal", though I don't really understand what that is. I haven't involved myself with the publishing world at all, and I didn't expect even a slim chance for a publishing deal to come along any time soon.

(Before anyone congratulates me he did state that he isn't hugely optimistic about my chances, but he's going to try.)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on August 28, 2018, 09:52:56 AM
I have just seen rough cover art for my second novel, God of Broken Things, and OMG is it good. There's a variety of slightly different rough images in the mix and it's so difficult to choose between them all this time around.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on September 13, 2018, 02:28:32 AM
Oh! Can't believe I forgot to post this!

For this interested in reading the full review of Supremacy's Shadow, it's now online at Analog's website, here.

http://www.analogsf.com/current-issue/the-reference-library/ (http://www.analogsf.com/current-issue/the-reference-library/)

You'll have to scroll down a bit, but the full review is listed. I still get warm fuzzies when I read it.
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: CameronJohnston on September 13, 2018, 09:03:16 AM
That is a damn good review! :)
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: JRTroughton on September 15, 2018, 01:56:10 PM
Great review, T.

I wonder... have you seen any impact on sales?
Title: Re: Adventures in Writing
Post by: tebakutis on September 17, 2018, 11:18:21 PM
Great review, T.

I wonder... have you seen any impact on sales?

I have, as a matter of fact! Since the review I've been selling an average of a book a day (sometimes more, sometimes less) or getting Kindle Unlimited page hits pretty consistently, so it definitely seems to have raised awareness of the book. Still not paying for itself, of course, but it is nice to see steady ticks of purchases. Plus, I got another review on Amazon today, which is always welcome! So yes, I'd say the Analog review has definitely contributed to a few sales.