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Title: Good freelance editors?
Post by: AmyKeeley on July 19, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Any recommendations?

(I'm looking for someone to copy edit/proof my ms. but other specialties are welcome.  Maybe this thread could become a list of sorts.)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: David Bridger on July 22, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
Rhonda Helms, my editor at Carina, also does freelance editing. http://rhondaedits.com/ (http://rhondaedits.com/)

She's excellent. I recommend her enthusiastically. :)

Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Roman_Writer on July 25, 2012, 02:19:28 PM
I can recommend Robert Clark rob@stirlingedit.co.uk who did a terrific job on my althistory thriller.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: JeroenFM on October 03, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
Ashley Davis. She did copy/line editing on both my novels. She is blindingly fast, reasonably priced and a very nice person to work with.

http://ashleydaviseditor.com/ (http://ashleydaviseditor.com/)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Caroline Bott on November 10, 2012, 11:33:42 AM
John Jarrold

http://www.johnjarrold.co.uk/

Literary agent, script doctor and editor.  Used to run the Earthlight SF imprint for Simon and Schuster.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: rmprioleau on December 02, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
I second Ashley Davis. She does amazing work.
I also highly recommend Red Adept Publishing (http://www.redadeptpublishing.com)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: AndrewThornway on December 07, 2012, 07:43:27 PM
Sounds like you're after a sub-editor / copy-editor rather than a editor.

A sub-editor (UK term, copy-editor is the US version) corrects spelling, grammar, etc, whereas, an editor chops the waffle from your text / help with characters / any problems, etc you might have.

A good freelance sub-editor will cost you about £150 per day.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: fairbetty on August 01, 2014, 11:42:47 PM
Just throwing my hat in the ring of good freelance editors. I'm of the development/content type mostly, but can also be persuaded to copyedit occasionally.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Mark E Tyson on September 10, 2014, 01:22:31 AM
I recommend Courtney Umphress www.courtneyumphress.com She is incredibly good and reasonably priced. I have had all of my books edited by her.

Mark Tyson
Author of
Defenders of the Sacred Land
Exiles from the Sacred Land
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Shecky on September 18, 2014, 03:11:36 AM
I'm a freelance copyeditor, but I'll leave the question of "Are you any good?" up to you. Take a look at the covers  (http://sffcopyediting.com/index.php/what/)of selected works I've done (scroll down). You'll note a possibly familiar title toward the bottom of the list. :)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Joie on September 18, 2014, 03:33:22 AM
I am also a freelance editor, both content/developmental and copy edit. Have a look at my site to see if there is potential for a good fit!    www.soundcopyediting.com   :)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: WordSorceress on September 18, 2014, 03:58:36 AM
My editor is Marg Gilks and she's fabulous! http://scripta-word-services.com/

I'm also a freelance editor (and I think I'm pretty good). I specialize in speculative fiction and focus on structural editing, but do copy editing as well. http://www.thodestool.com

I know a lot of really good editors, and you can find some of them here: http://www.editors.ca/ode/search (Caroline Kaiser, Arlene Prunkl, Dawn Hunter are a few more I can vouch for as knowing their stuff and being really friendly)

Associations like SfEP and ACES are good resources too.

Just like publishers, be sure to research your editor to make sure they're a good fit. Personality is as important as qualifications.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: GaryAllman on September 18, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
Regardless of which direction you pursue to find your editor, whether you get a referral or connect with a freelance editor online (http://www.essayguardian.com/), be sure to talk to someone the editor has worked with in the past or, at the very least, look at a work sample.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: ravenkult on September 18, 2014, 02:22:44 PM
I edit now and again. Mostly horror though. You can email me from this here forum.

Over at my publishing house, I use Max Booth III http://www.talesfromthebooth.com/
and Lori Michele http://www.lorimichelleauthor.com/?page_id=441

They're both great.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: El Pato Loco on September 21, 2014, 10:17:59 PM
I know an excellent one who also owns a small indy publishing company but I may be biased as I'm married to her ;)

Unfortunately, and I do speak from a significant amount of personal experience, when I hear or read the question from self publishing authors "Does anyone know a good freelance editor?" what is usually meant is "Does anyone know a good FREE editor?"

Yes it's a tough world getting your book published but why do most newbie writers seem to think that editors, proof readers, typesetters and cover artists don't like to eat or have a roof over their heads?

I'm not attempting to suggest that the original poster is in any way one of that ilk and I genuinely wish Amy every success in getting her works published, but sadly a great many are and then they get the hump and wonder why no one will take them seriously...

Apologies for the rant... didn't mean to hijack the thread... it's late and I'm a bit tipsy...
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: magemanda on September 27, 2014, 10:03:23 AM
I am now offering a freelance editorial service - see www.areditorialsolutions.com

I was the editor, until fairly recently, of Strange Chemistry. I have edited work by Kameron Hurley and Sarah Pinborough  :)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Luke Matthews on September 27, 2014, 06:50:18 PM
I worked with two freelance editors on my book Construct (http://"www.chroniclersaga.com"), and they were both fantastic.

Annetta Ribken is a developmental/story editor. She'll work with you on continuity, pacing, and flow. Her work was instrumental in finding and fixing some of the flaws in Construct, and I can't praise her enough for that. She doesn't do much mechanical copy-editing, so you'll want to get a copy-edit when you're done. Her website is www.wordwebbing.com (http://"www.wordwebbing.com").

Jennifer Wingard is my copy-editor. Once I was done honing the actual story with Annetta, I sent the book to Jennifer for the actual grammatical and mechanical copy edits. My book is as close to error-free as I've ever seen a novel, self-pubbed or trad-pubbed. Her website is www.theindependentpen.com (http://"www.theindependentpen.com").

Both of these women are absolutely amazing. They frequently work together, as well. I can't recommend them highly enough.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: asabo on January 28, 2015, 09:39:07 PM
An excellent listing of editors. Thanks all. I will be in the market for a line-editor in the summer. I saw the post by El Pato Loco about looking for people to work for free. Totally understand your frustration. So I would love to hear from editors and authors as to what they feel is appropriate to charge/pay in the market.

A friend of mine shelled out thousands to an unfortunately incompetent content editor and learned a very costly lesson. I am willing to pay for services, but I would like to know the range.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Courtney Umphress on February 15, 2015, 10:56:43 PM
An excellent listing of editors. Thanks all. I will be in the market for a line-editor in the summer. I saw the post by El Pato Loco about looking for people to work for free. Totally understand your frustration. So I would love to hear from editors and authors as to what they feel is appropriate to charge/pay in the market.

A friend of mine shelled out thousands to an unfortunately incompetent content editor and learned a very costly lesson. I am willing to pay for services, but I would like to know the range.

It is difficult to pinpoint an accurate range, especially because there are different mediums through which editors determine their rates. For instance, some editors charge by the number of hours worked on the manuscript, some charge by the number of pages edited, and some charge by word count. I choose to charge by word count, and for copyediting, a fairly accurate range of prices would be from $.006/word to $.02/word. A content editor may charge a little more than that. The longer a manuscript is, the more an editor will charge for editing, no matter which medium they use to determine rates.

I highly suggest sending a potential editor a sample of your work (maybe around 1000 to 1500 words). When the editor sends the edited sample back to you, you can determine whether or not you agree with the changes they made. This method may help you save money on an editor that isn't a good fit for you.

Best of luck!
Courtney
www.courtneyumphress.com
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: ThomasFleet on February 19, 2015, 07:18:34 PM
Chris Eboch did a great job for me on my novel. This is editing in the sense of the high-level stuff - plot, characterization, etc. - not grammar, spelling, and whatnot.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: asabo on February 20, 2015, 06:30:10 PM
Courtney Umphress, thanks for the suggestion about sending a sample. I hadn't thought of something like that. I wonder if all editors are open to that?

I have noticed that the prices for editing come in very different increments - by the word, page, hours... Very hard to compare.

I looked at one editor who had worked with writers I've read. A quick calculation of her fees came to $2,000 for a 80,000 page novel. That is out of my budget. And I think it is probably on the high end. But if that is a realistic price, for quality work, does one have to bite the bullet and go into debt?
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: ThomasFleet on February 21, 2015, 12:52:48 AM
80,000 pages would be a long novel!  :D
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Courtney Umphress on February 22, 2015, 02:54:16 AM
Many editors actually prefer a potential client to send them a sample to edit. A sample not only helps an author pick an editor to work with but also helps an editor determine what level of editing would be most appropriate for that particular author's work. It never hurts to ask.

I'm assuming you mean 80,000 words, as 80,000 pages would be worth more than $2,000! Yes, I agree $2,000 is rather high, and higher price doesn't always mean better quality. I recommend looking for a few editors that are more suitable for your price range.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: asabo on February 24, 2015, 08:56:48 PM
Yikes! Yes I meant words not pages! Guess I need an editor for my posts!

Thanks for the input Courtney
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: markwill212 on February 25, 2015, 01:51:13 AM
I think you can just look for freelance editors on some social media sites. We all know that some of us includes our professions and habits. So, maybe you can just search or look for some people that are freelance editor and message each of them about what is your intention or point in contacting him/her. :)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Mark on February 28, 2015, 05:28:31 AM
How do you decide which kind of editor you need? Would an editor hired as a line editor suggest work on the structure of the story, characters etc, if needed?
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: stevenpoore on February 28, 2015, 03:50:44 PM
How do you decide which kind of editor you need? Would an editor hired as a line editor suggest work on the structure of the story, characters etc, if needed?
assuming you mean a structural edit, then yes, i think so. the other answer is: what sort of edit do you think you need? if this is the first time you've ever gone through an editing process, then unless you really know writing inside out i'd recommend getting a full edit. this is about being full-on professional, after all. bear in mind it's not really their job to write the book for you, so it needs to be the very best you can make it before you send it off for an edit.

all good editors will point out what exactly they will do, and what you will be getting. magemanda, for example - see her post at the top of this page - offers different levels of editing, dependent on what you feel you need.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Mark on March 01, 2015, 10:05:36 AM
what sort of edit do you think you need?

Editing is expensive, and I want to avoid unnecessary expense. I sent a chapter of my first novel to an editor who told me she thought a copy edit would be enough. But, I would hope that an experienced - and honest - editor would tell me if I needed more than that.

I'm hoping to find an editor who loves fantasy for my second novel.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Courtney Umphress on March 01, 2015, 02:58:43 PM
what sort of edit do you think you need?

Editing is expensive, and I want to avoid unnecessary expense. I sent a chapter of my first novel to an editor who told me she thought a copy edit would be enough. But, I would hope that an experienced - and honest - editor would tell me if I needed more than that.

I'm hoping to find an editor who loves fantasy for my second novel.

It is difficult to tell if an author needs more than copyediting based on one chapter. Content editing involves strengthening character development and fixing plot holes. Most of the time, an editor can't see those things based on one chapter. If I see a major problem in plot or development while I'm copyediting, I will always make note of it to the author. I know some editors that will notify authors as well and some editors that will only do what they were paid for. If you feel like your novel needs a closer examination of the plot, you might want to mention that to an editor you are considering in order to find out what they suggest.

I also want to mention that you can find beta readers for free who will point out inconsistencies in your book like a content editor would. It shouldn't be hard to find beta readers that love fantasy. I am not saying beta readers are better or more qualified than content editors, but they might be an alternative you would like to consider.

Good luck on your search!
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: markwill212 on March 04, 2015, 02:01:39 AM
I believe there are great freelance editors. Just look for freelance editors on some Home Based Job Websites and maybe you can post Freelance Editors for job hiring. Good Luck!
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: CaitSpivey on March 16, 2015, 06:26:41 PM
Great discussion going in this topic so far!

I'm an editor with indie presses REUTS Publications (http://"http://www.reuts.com") and Curiosity Quills Press (http://"https://curiosityquills.com"), both of whom are SFF-oriented, and I'm also a literary agent assistant at Corvisiero Agency. In addition to that, I co-own a freelance editing company called Bear and Black Dog Editing (http://" http://bearandblackdog.com").

Courtney has given great advice, and I just want to second a lot of what she's said. For a novel of average length, expect to pay somewhere between $1200-$1800 for a full manuscript edit. (asabo, your 80k example would be about $1000-$1300 by my company's prices, depending on what the page count ended up being--we charge a flat fee of $6/page.)

A reputable editor will always provide references and do a free sample--we do a three-page sample for full MS edits. It's really important to find an editor who is not only skilled, but who gets your writing style and your genre.

Many editors these days offer less expensive packages. At Bear and Black Dog, we've got a very popular reader report package that's only $1/page. We don't make actual edits to the manuscript, but we read it and give you an editorial letter detailing the strengths and weaknesses of the manuscript, which our clients have found very helpful for guiding their own revisions. Reader reports are what many lit agencies and publishers use to assess a manuscript they're considering signing or buying. And we've just started a new revision planning consultation service, where we IM/skype with clients and walk them through outlining each step of their revisions.

As others have said, some editors will do whatever is needed, others keep clear boundaries between kinds of editing. My company offers edits targeted at either structural or line/copy, but they're priced the same way so if I find that the manuscript actually needs more of one or the other, I go ahead and do it. My company is also able to offer what we call a "twice tried" or publishing house edit. We have two editors, so the pub house edit gets you two passes, in other words, structural AND line editing, for only $8/page--which is nice, because then you don't have to do two separate editing jobs at the $6/page price, which saves our clients money.

TL:DR, a good editor will work with you however they can, because they love the written word as much as you do.  :D
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: JMack on March 16, 2015, 06:35:50 PM
...for only $8/page--which is nice, because then you don't have to do two separate editing jobs at the $6/page price, which saves our clients money.
Very interesting, thank you.
Can you guide to number of words per page generally?
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: CaitSpivey on March 16, 2015, 06:40:44 PM
...for only $8/page--which is nice, because then you don't have to do two separate editing jobs at the $6/page price, which saves our clients money.
Very interesting, thank you.
Can you guide to number of words per page generally?

We require manuscripts and materials to be size 12 Times New Roman or similar, with 1-inch page margins, and based on that the words per page can range from 250-400 depending on paragraph and dialogue ratios and such. I usually use 350 words/page when giving rough estimates.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: aidan on April 21, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
I can highly recommend Richard Shealy (who posted earlier in this thread under the name "Shecky") of SF/F Copyediting (http://sffcopyediting.com/). He did tremendous work on my short fiction collection--quick and thorough and professional from the first time I contacted him to delivery of my manuscript.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Michael Sullivan on April 23, 2015, 11:27:59 AM
The American Copy Editors Society (ACES) will post a free ad for you on their job board and you can get a lot of good candidates that way.

Some that I have used and can recommend:


* www.FirstEditing.com  - I think they do a sample edit of some number of pages for free

* elance.com - has lots of freelance copyeditors

* guru.com - also is a site to pair freelance people with projects

* marty.halpern@gmail.com - just did some editing on my Hollow World project

* http://www.douglascoheneditorial.com/contact - I've not used, but I think he has a good reputation.

* ross@haresrocklots.com - has edited some books of a fellow author I know.

* teri@editing fairy.com - another editor for an author I know

* michael@belleetoilestudios.com - I've not used but seems like he knows his stuff

* petermbradley@gmail.com - edited a short story for me

*  pwitcover@yahoo.com  & ljorstad@earthlink.net - edited my Hollow World book

Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: aidan on April 28, 2015, 08:18:24 PM
Michael, any reason in particular that you use so many different copyeditors for your work, rather than just sticking with a favourite?
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: louannpope on June 29, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
I'm a freelance copyeditor, and here is my brief summary:

My former career was in business, finance, and economics and included significant writing and editing. . .but I've always loved reading and language, so I obtained a specialized copyediting certification and launched a freelance copyediting career. Personally, my favorite genres to read are science fiction & fantasy and mystery. Because I loves language and have this eclectic combination of background and interests, I can copyedit a wide range of materials -- everything from academic journal articles to company press releases to time-travel romances. Regardless of the type of writing, my goal is always to ensure that the manuscript reflects the best of the author's ability and unique voice. I see the editing process as a collaboration with the author, in which I act as a bridge between the author and the reader. For more information, as well as testimonials and a selection from my portfolio, please go to my website (http://louannpope.com (http://louannpope.com)).

As others have alluded to, copyediting rates can vary widely. My practice is to ask for a sample of 500-1,000 words—ideally from the middle of the book—and then to provide an edited version of that along with a preliminary estimate based on the extent of editing that seems necessary. The estimate is then subject to change when I receive the full manuscript, at which time the author and I agree on a rate before I begin editing in earnest.

Regardless of whether you'd like to hire me, you may find the FAQ page (http://louannpope.com/faq/ (http://louannpope.com/faq/)) of my website useful. There I have provided explanations of the difference between copyediting and developmental/substantive editing and between copyediting and proofreading, as well as other information about the value of editing.

Louann Pope
Freelance Copyeditor
lp@louannpope (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40447).com
http://louannpope.com (http://louannpope.com)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: louannpope on June 29, 2015, 07:56:51 PM
For anyone looking for writing/editing assistance (earlier in the process than copyediting), I recommend Stuart Horwitz and his company, Book Architecture.
His website contains a great chart (http://www.bookarchitecture.com/services/ (http://www.bookarchitecture.com/services/)) that helps you figure out which of his services you might want. He does everything from ghostwriting to writing coaching to developmental editing, as well as assisting with either traditional publishing or self-publishing.
Or, if you prefer the do-it-yourself route to revision and developmental editing, please pick up a copy of his latest book Book Architecture: How to Plot and Outline Without Using a Formula. It's available from Amazon (http://myBook.to/BookArchNoFormula (http://myBook.to/BookArchNoFormula)), as well as other retailers. The book introduces three tools—the arc, the grid, and the target—that can be applied to fiction, film and TV, or creative nonfiction. In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I proofread the book.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: RockEditorialServices on November 27, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
Hi,

I offer developmental editing through my company, Rock Editorial Services. I'm a former literary agent at Writers House and also the author of a YA dystopian novel, Scripted, from Penguin. My clients have gone on to self-publish and traditionally publish successfully (among them Anna Adams, author of THE FRENCH GIRL series.) I love fantasy, particularly YA fantasy and am always on the hunt for more great clients, which is how I found myself on this forum.

You can find out more about me and my services at www.maya-rock.com/book-editing-services.

Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Barbara J Webb on November 30, 2015, 04:04:18 PM
The American Copy Editors Society (ACES) will post a free ad for you on their job board and you can get a lot of good candidates that way.

Some that I have used and can recommend:


* www.FirstEditing.com  - I think they do a sample edit of some number of pages for free

* elance.com - has lots of freelance copyeditors

* guru.com - also is a site to pair freelance people with projects

* marty.halpern@gmail.com - just did some editing on my Hollow World project

* http://www.douglascoheneditorial.com/contact - I've not used, but I think he has a good reputation.

* ross@haresrocklots.com - has edited some books of a fellow author I know.

* teri@editing fairy.com - another editor for an author I know

* michael@belleetoilestudios.com - I've not used but seems like he knows his stuff

* petermbradley@gmail.com - edited a short story for me

*  pwitcover@yahoo.com  & ljorstad@earthlink.net - edited my Hollow World book

I second the recommendation of Marty Halpern. I worked with him on City of Burning Shadows, and he's great. Did a thorough job without trying to back-seat-drive my writing style.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: jjwilbourne on April 24, 2016, 12:47:16 AM
Kate Watts

http://kateedits.com/
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: CateLewitt on September 15, 2016, 10:17:49 AM
Hello.
You'll be able to find some pretty good freelance writers and editors here: https://www.xplace.com/writing/freelancers (https://www.xplace.com/writing/freelancers). I often look for them on this website for freelancers when I'm in need of editing services. This board is commission free and has lots of skilled writers and editors for hire.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Steve S on November 05, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
I've just posted on my blog my interview with Helen Baggott (http://www.helenbaggott.co.uk/), who is an accredited proofreader and copy-editor, and a partner member of ALLi (Alliance of Independent Authors). Helen offers a range of professional services including editing, proofreading and self-publishing advice.

Interview with Helen Baggott (http://www.stevensmithauthor.com/blog/proofreading-an-interview-with-helen-baggott)

In the interview, Helen talks about the importance of editing and proofreading, and discusses some of the most common mistakes she finds when reading manuscripts.

I hope you find the interview helpful. Helen has worked on all four of my novels, and I definitely recommend her services – Helen’s professionalism and attention to detail certainly improved my books, and her prices are very competitive.
 
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: JMack on November 05, 2016, 09:31:59 PM
Thanks, Steve. Nice informative read. 
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: JCkang on February 08, 2017, 12:46:20 AM
I use Alexis at Word Vagabond. (https://wordvagabond.com/)
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: Shecky on March 15, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
Your best resource is word of mouth. Ask other authors what editors/copyeditors/etc. they've worked with and whether or not they'd recommend them (and, most importantly, why). Any editor of any stripe who's worth their salt has an informative website, client/works list and so on, but asking input from those who've been through the wringer is gold.
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: D.P. Prior on March 26, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
Betsy Mitchell edited The Codex of Her Scars for me late last year. Showed great sensitivity and made some effective changes to elements of the prose.

http://betsymitchelleditorial.com/# (http://betsymitchelleditorial.com/#)

I've also worked with John Jarrold, who certainly knows a thing or two!
Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: K.B. Adams on May 02, 2017, 09:56:43 PM
Two we've had some experience with:

Sara Stamey at sarastamey.com is an award winning novelist (fantasy/sci-fi) who is also a university professor of "writing the novel" and has freelance edited for years. We met her at a writers' gathering years ago and have been following her work ever since. She also tries to help her clients find publishers and agents.

Or, if you want to write short story romance fiction for pay, one person in our group used Kate Willoughby's services for getting published in Woman's World Magazine. Not fantasy... needs to be contemporary USA "real" world. But if you write fantasy romance and also real world romance, it could be a place to break in with paid publication if you don't mind starting with real world. Her page is womansworldstyle.blogspot.com and she focuses only on that magazine, where she's also had many short story romances published.

Title: Re: Good freelance editors?
Post by: CameronJohnston on May 03, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
From personal experience I can recommend:
Hal Duncan - http://notesfromthegeekshow.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/manuscript-critique-service.html
Amanda Rutter - https://areditorialsolutions.com/
Julie Crisp  - http://www.juliecrisp.co.uk/