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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2015, 11:23:12 AM »
Loved the book, glad to hear film is doing it justice hope to go soon. ScarletBea hope you can go and enjoy it this evening. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2015, 01:02:01 PM »
@Hedin, not sure of your wife's taste in movies, but it's interesting, moving, real, grown up, funny, inspiring, and all sorts of other good things.

I think she was put off by not enjoying Interstellar and Gravity and so now she's leery of any space movie.  Unfortunately we have already used up a date night so I'll likely just go see it by myself next week when I'm on another work trip.

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2015, 01:07:05 PM »
@Hedin, not sure of your wife's taste in movies, but it's interesting, moving, real, grown up, funny, inspiring, and all sorts of other good things.

I think she was put off by not enjoying Interstellar and Gravity and so now she's leery of any space movie.  Unfortunately we have already used up a date night so I'll likely just go see it by myself next week when I'm on another work trip.

I hated Gravity so much, it's the worst film I have ever had to sit through and couldn't leave because it was meant to be a treat for someone else. (And they hated it to but didn't want to upset me ::) Please assure your wife The Martian is not remotely like Gravity.
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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2015, 01:11:00 PM »
@Hedin, not sure of your wife's taste in movies, but it's interesting, moving, real, grown up, funny, inspiring, and all sorts of other good things.

I think she was put off by not enjoying Interstellar and Gravity and so now she's leery of any space movie.  Unfortunately we have already used up a date night so I'll likely just go see it by myself next week when I'm on another work trip.

I hated Gravity so much, it's the worst film I have ever had to sit through and couldn't leave because it was meant to be a treat for someone else. (And they hated it to but didn't want to upset me ::) Please assure your wife The Martian is not remotely like Gravity.

Gosh, I really enjoyed Gravity. I just ignored the dumb science stuff and appreciated her performance and the drama. Of ciourse, watching her catch and hold onto various things without losing her grip or breaking/dislocating her arms was pretty silyy. and thinking that all these stations would be in the samne orbit was absyrd. and....

but i liked it, im afraid.
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2015, 01:12:05 PM »
@Hedin, not sure of your wife's taste in movies, but it's interesting, moving, real, grown up, funny, inspiring, and all sorts of other good things.

I think she was put off by not enjoying Interstellar and Gravity and so now she's leery of any space movie.  Unfortunately we have already used up a date night so I'll likely just go see it by myself next week when I'm on another work trip.

I hated Gravity so much, it's the worst film I have ever had to sit through and couldn't leave because it was meant to be a treat for someone else. (And they hated it to but didn't want to upset me ::) Please assure your wife The Martian is not remotely like Gravity.

My wife's twin sister raved about Gravity (they go to a movie pretty much every weekend) and based on other reviews we were all hyped about it.  90 minutes later we left the theater thinking we just wasted $30.  I wouldn't say it was a bad movie but it was really overhyped.

Interstellar I liked except for the last 30 minutes or so.  I probably need to go back and re-watch it at some point and see if it works better a second time.

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2015, 01:20:42 PM »
@Hedin, not sure of your wife's taste in movies, but it's interesting, moving, real, grown up, funny, inspiring, and all sorts of other good things.

I think she was put off by not enjoying Interstellar and Gravity and so now she's leery of any space movie.  Unfortunately we have already used up a date night so I'll likely just go see it by myself next week when I'm on another work trip.

I hated Gravity so much, it's the worst film I have ever had to sit through and couldn't leave because it was meant to be a treat for someone else. (And they hated it to but didn't want to upset me ::) Please assure your wife The Martian is not remotely like Gravity.

Gosh, I really enjoyed Gravity. I just ignored the dumb science stuff and appreciated her performance and the drama. Of ciourse, watching her catch and hold onto various things without losing her grip or breaking/dislocating her arms was pretty silyy. and thinking that all these stations would be in the samne orbit was absyrd. and....

but i liked it, im afraid.
Jmack, I think it's a Marmite film, you love it or hate it.
I disliked all the obvious themes, struggle against odds/will to survive/re-birth /start anew implications all drawn out so painfully slowly and then the vision of the dead astronaut giving her courage to keep trying  urrrgh. 
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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2015, 03:06:24 PM »
Okay here comes my review of the movie.

Not too high in spoilers, but just in case (though honnestly if you wanna live spoil free you shouldn't be on the thread  :P )

Spoiler for Hiden:
I generally thought the movie was beautiful. Well shot, well acted. Damon nails the Watney character.
However my friend who has not read the book found the whole cast a bit shallow. It's true that there is nothing given to him. No background, no life of his own... But my friend also struggled a bit with the english.

Overall it felt like a Ridley Scott apology for Prometheus. The designs are certainly there. And it was refreshing to see a movie in space with no dickheads!
But again my friend complained about the lack of adversity, of character conflict. And there I certainly agree.
The struggles between Mitch and Teddy are resumed to one pen laid on the table a bit angrily while saying "coward".
It makes the sending of the Prunel maneuver a lot less of an audacious move.

Also, life on Mars has been simplified. Some things I can understand (No dust storm, no toppling down of the rover, and most importantly, no loss of com with earth to short circuit..), others are less excusable.
Like the life in the rover. The whole "trip" is a mere flyby. He's never shown really preparing for it by tinkering, it looks like it's all in the "Plan B" pages of the NASA handbook, or living in the rover and getting the place like a claustrophobic hippy van.
Hard to portray? Ok, but that certainly did not excuse the biggest and lamest mistake in the film :
Mark Watney is depicted spending his entire sleeping time of the trip sleeping outside, under the rover or against a wheel.
When I realised what I was seeing I got furious. It's common sense that radiations are a huge excuse to limit Evas, and it's stated numerous times in the book. Less obvious (and fully avoided in the film) is the "oxygen cannister" problem.
The suit doesn't have endless supplies of oxygen filters to allow for all the implied hours spent outside.

The other part that sort of grinded my gears was that of course rescuing him was not going to be enough of a scene. So they added useless spice with botched science. Which I'll re-spoil...

Spoiler for Hiden:
Ridley Scott should learn from Interstellar. The matching hatches scene was intense, beautiful and totally fulfilling, while only ever depicting two objects matching speeds and locking.
Here Ridley Scott makes Watney do as he briefly suggested in the novel and punch an actual hole in the hand of his suit, to use his oxygen as a propeller, making a big fake tension scene straight outta Gravity with the orange tape they use to hook to the suits. And boom. The hole leaking air in his suit is all but forgotten, and it's like there is no rush. As soon as he grabs the tape and the Commander, it's like there is no more leaking suit to deal with. But damn we're in space and not all the audiance has a 10scd memory span.
Also he makes the hole with a pair of pincers he catches floating buy in his craft, after he spent so much time ditching everything that could be useless weight. But a pair of random pincers made it and float by his face when needed?
Please! Why couldn't they follow the book and make this scene more character driven, more emotional, with Watney screaming in the silenced mic of his suit?

The end is probably better than the book though. It would have been impossible to render such an end on the book so it's no fault of Weir.
What puzzled me is that Weir was on the scenario for the movie. I didn't expect such faults to pass.

Overall I'd give a 7/10 but honestly... weirdly enough I reckon it's probably more enjoyable for the ones who read the book. The movie lacks a good 30min of character exposure and life-on-mars.
While everything is stunning and the cast is wonderfully solid, the emotion felt lacking. Yes I knew what would happen. But I also know what's up when I rewatch interstellar, and yet tears come to my eyes.
Here when roomfull of people cheered their eyeballs out, I smiled...
I think the soundtrack might be part of it.
It was subdued and though a couple of punchy tunes helped with the generally humorous vibe of the movie, Hans Zimmer certainly could have made Mars more dramatic and the failed launch more of an anxious moment.
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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2015, 07:25:21 PM »
Okay here comes my review of the movie.

Not too high in spoilers, but just in case (though honnestly if you wanna live spoil free you shouldn't be on the thread  :P )

Spoiler for Hiden:
I generally thought the movie was beautiful. Well shot, well acted. Damon nails the Watney character.
However my friend who has not read the book found the whole cast a bit shallow. It's true that there is nothing given to him. No background, no life of his own... But my friend also struggled a bit with the english.

Overall it felt like a Ridley Scott apology for Prometheus. The designs are certainly there. And it was refreshing to see a movie in space with no dickheads!
But again my friend complained about the lack of adversity, of character conflict. And there I certainly agree.
The struggles between Mitch and Teddy are resumed to one pen laid on the table a bit angrily while saying "coward".
It makes the sending of the Prunel maneuver a lot less of an audacious move.

Also, life on Mars has been simplified. Some things I can understand (No dust storm, no toppling down of the rover, and most importantly, no loss of com with earth to short circuit..), others are less excusable.
Like the life in the rover. The whole "trip" is a mere flyby. He's never shown really preparing for it by tinkering, it looks like it's all in the "Plan B" pages of the NASA handbook, or living in the rover and getting the place like a claustrophobic hippy van.
Hard to portray? Ok, but that certainly did not excuse the biggest and lamest mistake in the film :
Mark Watney is depicted spending his entire sleeping time of the trip sleeping outside, under the rover or against a wheel.
When I realised what I was seeing I got furious. It's common sense that radiations are a huge excuse to limit Evas, and it's stated numerous times in the book. Less obvious (and fully avoided in the film) is the "oxygen cannister" problem.
The suit doesn't have endless supplies of oxygen filters to allow for all the implied hours spent outside.

The other part that sort of grinded my gears was that of course rescuing him was not going to be enough of a scene. So they added useless spice with botched science. Which I'll re-spoil...

Spoiler for Hiden:
Ridley Scott should learn from Interstellar. The matching hatches scene was intense, beautiful and totally fulfilling, while only ever depicting two objects matching speeds and locking.
Here Ridley Scott makes Watney do as he briefly suggested in the novel and punch an actual hole in the hand of his suit, to use his oxygen as a propeller, making a big fake tension scene straight outta Gravity with the orange tape they use to hook to the suits. And boom. The hole leaking air in his suit is all but forgotten, and it's like there is no rush. As soon as he grabs the tape and the Commander, it's like there is no more leaking suit to deal with. But damn we're in space and not all the audiance has a 10scd memory span.
Also he makes the hole with a pair of pincers he catches floating buy in his craft, after he spent so much time ditching everything that could be useless weight. But a pair of random pincers made it and float by his face when needed?
Please! Why couldn't they follow the book and make this scene more character driven, more emotional, with Watney screaming in the silenced mic of his suit?

The end is probably better than the book though. It would have been impossible to render such an end on the book so it's no fault of Weir.
What puzzled me is that Weir was on the scenario for the movie. I didn't expect such faults to pass.

Overall I'd give a 7/10 but honestly... weirdly enough I reckon it's probably more enjoyable for the ones who read the book. The movie lacks a good 30min of character exposure and life-on-mars.
While everything is stunning and the cast is wonderfully solid, the emotion felt lacking. Yes I knew what would happen. But I also know what's up when I rewatch interstellar, and yet tears come to my eyes.
Here when roomfull of people cheered their eyeballs out, I smiled...
I think the soundtrack might be part of it.
It was subdued and though a couple of punchy tunes helped with the generally humorous vibe of the movie, Hans Zimmer certainly could have made Mars more dramatic and the failed launch more of an anxious moment.

I totally agree with this review. The film skins over so much. Remember when Watney turned the Hubb into a bomb? Gone. No explanation as to why the airlock failed. The journeys on the buggy are simplified massively. No showing how Watney built a inflatable room to be blown up by the airlock on the buggy to give him living space. Or how he cleverly avoids a storm on  the final trip. It was almost as if Scott was afraid not to use the massive cast the film had. Shame as it made it more Apollo 13 than Robinson Crusoe in Space.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2015, 08:18:16 PM »
Okay here comes my review of the movie.

Not too high in spoilers, but just in case (though honnestly if you wanna live spoil free you shouldn't be on the thread  :P )

Spoiler for Hiden:
I generally thought the movie was beautiful. Well shot, well acted. Damon nails the Watney character.
However my friend who has not read the book found the whole cast a bit shallow. It's true that there is nothing given to him. No background, no life of his own... But my friend also struggled a bit with the english.

Overall it felt like a Ridley Scott apology for Prometheus. The designs are certainly there. And it was refreshing to see a movie in space with no dickheads!
But again my friend complained about the lack of adversity, of character conflict. And there I certainly agree.
The struggles between Mitch and Teddy are resumed to one pen laid on the table a bit angrily while saying "coward".
It makes the sending of the Prunel maneuver a lot less of an audacious move.

Also, life on Mars has been simplified. Some things I can understand (No dust storm, no toppling down of the rover, and most importantly, no loss of com with earth to short circuit..), others are less excusable.
Like the life in the rover. The whole "trip" is a mere flyby. He's never shown really preparing for it by tinkering, it looks like it's all in the "Plan B" pages of the NASA handbook, or living in the rover and getting the place like a claustrophobic hippy van.
Hard to portray? Ok, but that certainly did not excuse the biggest and lamest mistake in the film :
Mark Watney is depicted spending his entire sleeping time of the trip sleeping outside, under the rover or against a wheel.
When I realised what I was seeing I got furious. It's common sense that radiations are a huge excuse to limit Evas, and it's stated numerous times in the book. Less obvious (and fully avoided in the film) is the "oxygen cannister" problem.
The suit doesn't have endless supplies of oxygen filters to allow for all the implied hours spent outside.

The other part that sort of grinded my gears was that of course rescuing him was not going to be enough of a scene. So they added useless spice with botched science. Which I'll re-spoil...

Spoiler for Hiden:
Ridley Scott should learn from Interstellar. The matching hatches scene was intense, beautiful and totally fulfilling, while only ever depicting two objects matching speeds and locking.
Here Ridley Scott makes Watney do as he briefly suggested in the novel and punch an actual hole in the hand of his suit, to use his oxygen as a propeller, making a big fake tension scene straight outta Gravity with the orange tape they use to hook to the suits. And boom. The hole leaking air in his suit is all but forgotten, and it's like there is no rush. As soon as he grabs the tape and the Commander, it's like there is no more leaking suit to deal with. But damn we're in space and not all the audiance has a 10scd memory span.
Also he makes the hole with a pair of pincers he catches floating buy in his craft, after he spent so much time ditching everything that could be useless weight. But a pair of random pincers made it and float by his face when needed?
Please! Why couldn't they follow the book and make this scene more character driven, more emotional, with Watney screaming in the silenced mic of his suit?

The end is probably better than the book though. It would have been impossible to render such an end on the book so it's no fault of Weir.
What puzzled me is that Weir was on the scenario for the movie. I didn't expect such faults to pass.

Overall I'd give a 7/10 but honestly... weirdly enough I reckon it's probably more enjoyable for the ones who read the book. The movie lacks a good 30min of character exposure and life-on-mars.
While everything is stunning and the cast is wonderfully solid, the emotion felt lacking. Yes I knew what would happen. But I also know what's up when I rewatch interstellar, and yet tears come to my eyes.
Here when roomfull of people cheered their eyeballs out, I smiled...
I think the soundtrack might be part of it.
It was subdued and though a couple of punchy tunes helped with the generally humorous vibe of the movie, Hans Zimmer certainly could have made Mars more dramatic and the failed launch more of an anxious moment.

I totally agree with this review. The film skins over so much. Remember when Watney turned the Hubb into a bomb? Gone. No explanation as to why the airlock failed. The journeys on the buggy are simplified massively. No showing how Watney built a inflatable room to be blown up by the airlock on the buggy to give him living space. Or how he cleverly avoids a storm on  the final trip. It was almost as if Scott was afraid not to use the massive cast the film had. Shame as it made it more Apollo 13 than Robinson Crusoe in Space.

I've not seen the movie nor read the book so I don't know about the cuts you mention but the movie is 2 hours and 20 minutes long and they can't fit everything in.  Books and movies are different mediums and there are always some things that need to be cut to make the movie work as a movie.

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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2015, 09:47:34 PM »
I thought the book was better -- but they did a great job translating it to the screen.

I'm with Nora on the one thing that I really didn't like...
Spoiler for SPOILER:
... having him jab a hole in his glove.  In real life that would be an insane, you-die-now-you-moron move.  And so unnecessary.  I actually *loved* the fact that at the most critical moment he was stuck counting on other people to do the work.
It doesn't fit the Hollywood formula, but in the book it still made great drama.

(Now I have to go back and read if I'm remembering the book scene right...

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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2015, 02:03:52 AM »
Okay here comes my review of the movie.

Not too high in spoilers, but just in case (though honnestly if you wanna live spoil free you shouldn't be on the thread  :P )

Spoiler for Hiden:
I generally thought the movie was beautiful. Well shot, well acted. Damon nails the Watney character.
However my friend who has not read the book found the whole cast a bit shallow. It's true that there is nothing given to him. No background, no life of his own... But my friend also struggled a bit with the english.

Overall it felt like a Ridley Scott apology for Prometheus. The designs are certainly there. And it was refreshing to see a movie in space with no dickheads!
But again my friend complained about the lack of adversity, of character conflict. And there I certainly agree.
The struggles between Mitch and Teddy are resumed to one pen laid on the table a bit angrily while saying "coward".
It makes the sending of the Prunel maneuver a lot less of an audacious move.

Also, life on Mars has been simplified. Some things I can understand (No dust storm, no toppling down of the rover, and most importantly, no loss of com with earth to short circuit..), others are less excusable.
Like the life in the rover. The whole "trip" is a mere flyby. He's never shown really preparing for it by tinkering, it looks like it's all in the "Plan B" pages of the NASA handbook, or living in the rover and getting the place like a claustrophobic hippy van.
Hard to portray? Ok, but that certainly did not excuse the biggest and lamest mistake in the film :
Mark Watney is depicted spending his entire sleeping time of the trip sleeping outside, under the rover or against a wheel.
When I realised what I was seeing I got furious. It's common sense that radiations are a huge excuse to limit Evas, and it's stated numerous times in the book. Less obvious (and fully avoided in the film) is the "oxygen cannister" problem.
The suit doesn't have endless supplies of oxygen filters to allow for all the implied hours spent outside.

The other part that sort of grinded my gears was that of course rescuing him was not going to be enough of a scene. So they added useless spice with botched science. Which I'll re-spoil...

Spoiler for Hiden:
Ridley Scott should learn from Interstellar. The matching hatches scene was intense, beautiful and totally fulfilling, while only ever depicting two objects matching speeds and locking.
Here Ridley Scott makes Watney do as he briefly suggested in the novel and punch an actual hole in the hand of his suit, to use his oxygen as a propeller, making a big fake tension scene straight outta Gravity with the orange tape they use to hook to the suits. And boom. The hole leaking air in his suit is all but forgotten, and it's like there is no rush. As soon as he grabs the tape and the Commander, it's like there is no more leaking suit to deal with. But damn we're in space and not all the audiance has a 10scd memory span.
Also he makes the hole with a pair of pincers he catches floating buy in his craft, after he spent so much time ditching everything that could be useless weight. But a pair of random pincers made it and float by his face when needed?
Please! Why couldn't they follow the book and make this scene more character driven, more emotional, with Watney screaming in the silenced mic of his suit?

The end is probably better than the book though. It would have been impossible to render such an end on the book so it's no fault of Weir.
What puzzled me is that Weir was on the scenario for the movie. I didn't expect such faults to pass.

Overall I'd give a 7/10 but honestly... weirdly enough I reckon it's probably more enjoyable for the ones who read the book. The movie lacks a good 30min of character exposure and life-on-mars.
While everything is stunning and the cast is wonderfully solid, the emotion felt lacking. Yes I knew what would happen. But I also know what's up when I rewatch interstellar, and yet tears come to my eyes.
Here when roomfull of people cheered their eyeballs out, I smiled...
I think the soundtrack might be part of it.
It was subdued and though a couple of punchy tunes helped with the generally humorous vibe of the movie, Hans Zimmer certainly could have made Mars more dramatic and the failed launch more of an anxious moment.

I totally agree with this review. The film skins over so much. Remember when Watney turned the Hubb into a bomb? Gone. No explanation as to why the airlock failed. The journeys on the buggy are simplified massively. No showing how Watney built a inflatable room to be blown up by the airlock on the buggy to give him living space. Or how he cleverly avoids a storm on  the final trip. It was almost as if Scott was afraid not to use the massive cast the film had. Shame as it made it more Apollo 13 than Robinson Crusoe in Space.

I've not seen the movie nor read the book so I don't know about the cuts you mention but the movie is 2 hours and 20 minutes long and they can't fit everything in.  Books and movies are different mediums and there are always some things that need to be cut to make the movie work as a movie.

Yes, but as I say in my critic, this is a movie that, in my opinion, could afford to be 3h long. Like Interstellar.

As a standalone piece, it does lack character development and conflict. It does lack a bit of adversity. The movie feels rushed, like a race against the clock to get Watney out. Like it's totally possible but needs to be done ASAP before he starves.

While in the book, it is far from a given! He needs to do massive modifications to his rover and his only safe habitat, in order to go "roadtripping" and do so on his own, using his talents as an engineer, with no communications from earth.
Like I said, my friend who never read the book found the movie lacking in character and adversity, and so too akin to a documentary and not a true movie. Of course the movie is good as it is, but they do face problems that could have been avoided.

One of them, that comes across a lot more since I've slept on this movie, is how the time spent on earth is mostly used to "tell you" and "fill you in" what is happening on Mars and why Watney did this and that. That kind of exposure, a lot more told than shown, would be criticised in a book, and can sort of pass in a movie, but it's permanent. And since Watney doesn't lose contact with earth once he gets it, it makes the whole thing a lot less thrilling.
Earth isn't trying to "guess" at his progress. He isn't using morse code with stones to give status updates via satellite imaging. Fine. But it also means that earth isn't half as worried and focused on him as they are in the book.
This lack of tension is probably what drove them to Iron-man the space walk and really left me with a bitter feeling.

It's like Ridley Scott just can't help himself from doing a couple of stupid ass shit stuff to his otherwise great movies.


I mean, let's refresh our memories on how stupidly brilliant that simple docking scene was, and everyone remains buckled up. Also, Matt Damon in his white and orange suit gets what he deserves!!

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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2015, 02:54:02 AM »
Okay here comes my review of the movie.

Not too high in spoilers, but just in case (though honnestly if you wanna live spoil free you shouldn't be on the thread  :P )

Spoiler for Hiden:
I generally thought the movie was beautiful. Well shot, well acted. Damon nails the Watney character.
However my friend who has not read the book found the whole cast a bit shallow. It's true that there is nothing given to him. No background, no life of his own... But my friend also struggled a bit with the english.

Overall it felt like a Ridley Scott apology for Prometheus. The designs are certainly there. And it was refreshing to see a movie in space with no dickheads!
But again my friend complained about the lack of adversity, of character conflict. And there I certainly agree.
The struggles between Mitch and Teddy are resumed to one pen laid on the table a bit angrily while saying "coward".
It makes the sending of the Prunel maneuver a lot less of an audacious move.

Also, life on Mars has been simplified. Some things I can understand (No dust storm, no toppling down of the rover, and most importantly, no loss of com with earth to short circuit..), others are less excusable.
Like the life in the rover. The whole "trip" is a mere flyby. He's never shown really preparing for it by tinkering, it looks like it's all in the "Plan B" pages of the NASA handbook, or living in the rover and getting the place like a claustrophobic hippy van.
Hard to portray? Ok, but that certainly did not excuse the biggest and lamest mistake in the film :
Mark Watney is depicted spending his entire sleeping time of the trip sleeping outside, under the rover or against a wheel.
When I realised what I was seeing I got furious. It's common sense that radiations are a huge excuse to limit Evas, and it's stated numerous times in the book. Less obvious (and fully avoided in the film) is the "oxygen cannister" problem.
The suit doesn't have endless supplies of oxygen filters to allow for all the implied hours spent outside.

The other part that sort of grinded my gears was that of course rescuing him was not going to be enough of a scene. So they added useless spice with botched science. Which I'll re-spoil...

Spoiler for Hiden:
Ridley Scott should learn from Interstellar. The matching hatches scene was intense, beautiful and totally fulfilling, while only ever depicting two objects matching speeds and locking.
Here Ridley Scott makes Watney do as he briefly suggested in the novel and punch an actual hole in the hand of his suit, to use his oxygen as a propeller, making a big fake tension scene straight outta Gravity with the orange tape they use to hook to the suits. And boom. The hole leaking air in his suit is all but forgotten, and it's like there is no rush. As soon as he grabs the tape and the Commander, it's like there is no more leaking suit to deal with. But damn we're in space and not all the audiance has a 10scd memory span.
Also he makes the hole with a pair of pincers he catches floating buy in his craft, after he spent so much time ditching everything that could be useless weight. But a pair of random pincers made it and float by his face when needed?
Please! Why couldn't they follow the book and make this scene more character driven, more emotional, with Watney screaming in the silenced mic of his suit?

The end is probably better than the book though. It would have been impossible to render such an end on the book so it's no fault of Weir.
What puzzled me is that Weir was on the scenario for the movie. I didn't expect such faults to pass.

Overall I'd give a 7/10 but honestly... weirdly enough I reckon it's probably more enjoyable for the ones who read the book. The movie lacks a good 30min of character exposure and life-on-mars.
While everything is stunning and the cast is wonderfully solid, the emotion felt lacking. Yes I knew what would happen. But I also know what's up when I rewatch interstellar, and yet tears come to my eyes.
Here when roomfull of people cheered their eyeballs out, I smiled...
I think the soundtrack might be part of it.
It was subdued and though a couple of punchy tunes helped with the generally humorous vibe of the movie, Hans Zimmer certainly could have made Mars more dramatic and the failed launch more of an anxious moment.

I totally agree with this review. The film skins over so much. Remember when Watney turned the Hubb into a bomb? Gone. No explanation as to why the airlock failed. The journeys on the buggy are simplified massively. No showing how Watney built a inflatable room to be blown up by the airlock on the buggy to give him living space. Or how he cleverly avoids a storm on  the final trip. It was almost as if Scott was afraid not to use the massive cast the film had. Shame as it made it more Apollo 13 than Robinson Crusoe in Space.

I've not seen the movie nor read the book so I don't know about the cuts you mention but the movie is 2 hours and 20 minutes long and they can't fit everything in.  Books and movies are different mediums and there are always some things that need to be cut to make the movie work as a movie.

Yes, but as I say in my critic, this is a movie that, in my opinion, could afford to be 3h long. Like Interstellar.

As a standalone piece, it does lack character development and conflict. It does lack a bit of adversity. The movie feels rushed, like a race against the clock to get Watney out. Like it's totally possible but needs to be done ASAP before he starves.

While in the book, it is far from a given! He needs to do massive modifications to his rover and his only safe habitat, in order to go "roadtripping" and do so on his own, using his talents as an engineer, with no communications from earth.
Like I said, my friend who never read the book found the movie lacking in character and adversity, and so too akin to a documentary and not a true movie. Of course the movie is good as it is, but they do face problems that could have been avoided.

One of them, that comes across a lot more since I've slept on this movie, is how the time spent on earth is mostly used to "tell you" and "fill you in" what is happening on Mars and why Watney did this and that. That kind of exposure, a lot more told than shown, would be criticised in a book, and can sort of pass in a movie, but it's permanent. And since Watney doesn't lose contact with earth once he gets it, it makes the whole thing a lot less thrilling.
Earth isn't trying to "guess" at his progress. He isn't using morse code with stones to give status updates via satellite imaging. Fine. But it also means that earth isn't half as worried and focused on him as they are in the book.
This lack of tension is probably what drove them to Iron-man the space walk and really left me with a bitter feeling.

It's like Ridley Scott just can't help himself from doing a couple of stupid ass shit stuff to his otherwise great movies.


I mean, let's refresh our memories on how stupidly brilliant that simple docking scene was, and everyone remains buckled up. Also, Matt Damon in his white and orange suit gets what he deserves!!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlU3ikw8sA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlU3ikw8sA</a>

Totally. I know what Hedin is saying but the problem as Nora is saying is that the cuts they made over simpified the story and took a lot of the tension out. The only real drama before 'iron man' is the airlock blowing, and then no explanation why   and skims over how Watney fixed the problem.
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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2015, 06:37:55 AM »

I've not seen the movie nor read the book so I don't know about the cuts you mention but the movie is 2 hours and 20 minutes long and they can't fit everything in.  Books and movies are different mediums and there are always some things that need to be cut to make the movie work as a movie.

I've not seen film yet but blown away when first read/listened to the book. I believe I understand just where Nora's coming from and suppose shouldn't be surprised. The short time of a film has to lose some of the essence of story.

Hedin if you're not going to see it for a while strongly suggest you read book first. The long, long time Watney is alone on Mars is really the whole point of the book and the rescue almost incidental to the focus of the story.  I can see that in a film they've had to cut and it has probably lost a lot of the original impact. So many setbacks to overcome in unexpected ways.  It would be a shame for the book to be judged by the film.
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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2015, 01:18:20 PM »

I've not seen the movie nor read the book so I don't know about the cuts you mention but the movie is 2 hours and 20 minutes long and they can't fit everything in.  Books and movies are different mediums and there are always some things that need to be cut to make the movie work as a movie.

I've not seen film yet but blown away when first read/listened to the book. I believe I understand just where Nora's coming from and suppose shouldn't be surprised. The short time of a film has to lose some of the essence of story.

Hedin if you're not going to see it for a while strongly suggest you read book first. The long, long time Watney is alone on Mars is really the whole point of the book and the rescue almost incidental to the focus of the story.  I can see that in a film they've had to cut and it has probably lost a lot of the original impact. So many setbacks to overcome in unexpected ways.  It would be a shame for the book to be judged by the film.

To be fair to Nora, I haven't read her review as I was trying to avoid too many spoilers.  I will most likely read the book as it seems like something I would be interested in but in all likelihood it will come after I see the movie as I will want to see the movie in a theater and I don't think I'll get to the book in the near future.  I'm sure once I have read the book there will be some parts where I will say "I wish they would have put that in" but for the most part when it comes to movie adaptations I separate the two entities and judge them solely on their own merits. 

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Re: The Martian by Andy Weir (Film and Book discussion)
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2015, 10:10:11 AM »
I don't know about the book, but the movie has two big problems:
1) Sean Bean doesn't die
2) Sean Bean doesn't say "One does not simply walk into Mars"
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