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I would emphasize the importance of literature in understanding the social context of the time in which a book was written. I mean, how better to understand the roaring twenties than opening one of Francis Scott Fitzgerald's many masterpieces? Instead of putting censored versions on the hands of the new generations, we should have them confront the original versions and discuss why they are offensive today.

Bleaching the past doesn't make it right. Otherwise we will never learn from our mistakes.

For the new generations to read and discuss the originals is exactly how it should be, Saraband, couldn't agree more. Glad you agree with my feelings on this, I don't often rant ;)

On a totally unrelated point, if you like FSG have a look at the link here

http://www.nickigreenberg.com/the-great-gatsby/

I am lucky enough to have this book and although it may seem weird it is absolutely brilliant. That clip doesn't show enough but Nikki Greenberg is so incredibly clever, she has also done an amazing Inkblot Hamlet .
You can see more in Google images, I can't do short links properly.


@LadyTy: You imp, you.  :-* Just when I'm turning my mind back to one of my WsIP, you suggest this lovely story-starter. And now the brownies of my imagination are running amok in the cobbler shop.

May take me a few days... (or more, if I'm really going for devious) ;D
No rush, son, incredibly OTT devious and wicked sounds good. I'll be looking forward to it........... ;D

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Reading Skin Game by Mr Butcher  :)

Take your time to enjoy , Eclipse, I am suffering desperately from Dresden withdrawal as well as missing Atticus- neither have hinted at more yet. I believe Jim Butcher is going to be in England for Eastercon 2015 though - so envious :(

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I truly liked the way the Icelanders think and Jmacyk it would be glorious to see a story where big business construction had to literally have board meetings with the elves and goblins and anyone else caught up in development.  Just thinking of the devious hard nosed concessions that could be wrung out from the humans.  ;D

This subject has taken a welcome serious turn but I would never have titled it as I did except for the original link.  ;D
 
Retrospective censoring of any literature makes me see red and steam comes out of my ears. One of my rant subjects is criticism of past literature without taking into consideration or having some knowledge of the era in which it was written. Literature of all kinds is social history, it reflects exactly the attitudes and customs of the day, whether it concerns racism, religion sex etc and we should read it  in that light.  Also giving a thought to the different type of readers it was  aimed at, such as the author's peers, or to influence politics, or the so-called "working class" or Victorians sitting around while Papa read to the family and so on.

Of course Dickens is depressing, he was trying to draw attention to appalling conditions, disease, extreme poverty, huge social divide between wealthy and poor of Victorian England. No point trying to pretend life was good.

As for cutting the dirty bits out of Shakespeare it's not all easily recognised, but the raucous crowds in the Globe Theatre loved and enjoyed all those double meanings, it helped those with pretty hard lives have some fun and the more we know the better we can appreciate his brilliance with words.  I had a Jewish friend who would not read Shakespeare because he had been highly offended by the portrayal of Shylock and I could understand why, but that was exactly how the Jews were perceived and treated then.

Agatha Christie, from 20thC, has several racist stereotypes which have not been changed, although the  title of one novel,  "Then There Were One", is not as I first knew it.

Modern day censoring of previous racial content seems to come from guilt, but  that is exactly how white people spoke and acted towards all people of colour not just black people. Orientals had a hard time of it as well.  We should be able to read and feel disgust but not try to pretend it didn't happen rather face it.  This type of censoring is a covert way of re-writing history and it seriously bothers me.


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General Discussion / Re: Member birthday calendar
« on: March 25, 2015, 11:42:58 AM »
August 26th is my birthday - summer time when I lived in UK, pretty cool now I'm in Oz. If I say I could be Jmacky's mum, can we leave the actual age bit there? In my head I'm about 28 and having a fantastic time ;D
Ma? Ma? It's me! Don't you recognize me, Ma?
(Well, I couldn't think of anything genuinely funny to say, so this had to substitute.)
Yes! Leave out the actual age.  ;D. As was said elsewhere, it's nice that no one here really cares about it.  ;)

 :) :) :)

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General Discussion / Re: Member birthday calendar
« on: March 25, 2015, 12:24:28 AM »
 August 26th is my birthday - summer time when I lived in UK, pretty cool now I'm in Oz. If I say I could be Jmacky's mum, can we leave the actual age bit there? In my head I'm about 28 and having a fantastic time ;D

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I KNOW Perdito Street Station will be awesome. I mostly enjoy MiƩville and a lot of people with good taste in books love it. So yeah. One day... ;)
Read it when you can, xiagan. Jump it up the TBR pile if you have to. Seriously you'd love it, I think.

To whet your appetite Xiagan - google Perdido St Station and choose Images  :)

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What are you currently reading?
« on: March 21, 2015, 01:27:23 AM »
Finished two books.

The Waste Lands by Stephen King. I almost gave up on the Dark Tower series after being disappointed with the second book. I liked this one a lot better, though. The plot grinds to a halt at times, but when King writes suspense, he writes it so well. His imagination is also quite something.

Happy Hour in Hell by Tad Williams. I've heard that a lot of people didn't like this one, but I did. That being said, it was an uncomfortable read. However, I think that was the intention. Williams was writing about Hell. It should be an uncomfortable read. I don't mind that it was quite different from the first book. It actually reminded me a bit of The War of the Flowers, which I also enjoyed (though this one was darker).

Despite being the second book in Williams' Bobby Dollar UF trilogy, Happy in Hour was really very different. You're right Ryan in that it wasn't necessarily fun, but it did showcase Williams' incredible imagination, and I can see the comparisons with the fae world he created for The War of the Flowers.

I just finished Tooth and Claw by Jo Walton that was such a different type of book, a Regency romance in the Jane Austen style only about dragons and told by them. Easy to see why it won the World Fantasy Award. I've picked up Rachel Caine's Thief of Shadows which appears to be the story of Romeo and Juliet only told from the point of view of Benvolio Montague.

Thanks both for the Bobby Dollar info - I have just downloaded it( with gritted teeth as I am almost foreseeing nightmare) but  now I just have to know...  BTW when I say 'read' here on forum it should be understood to equate with 'listen' as I do use audible a lot, but I think other members do as well.

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Introductions / Re: Hello all!
« on: March 21, 2015, 01:08:54 AM »
Welcome Roger - Dentists are top of my list just now, a certain lady dentist here has saved me from a world of pain lately ;D

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General Discussion / Re: Member birthday calendar
« on: March 21, 2015, 12:29:46 AM »
Just found this thread in time to say Happy Birthday Gariath but as I am downunder you may not have got to 21st yet have a great weekend of celebration. :)

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General Discussion / Re: Genuine Real Archery
« on: March 21, 2015, 12:12:58 AM »
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4

But accurate and fast shooting nonetheless.

Thank you for the link, I'm sure it's all true and I half expected some serious enthusiast  would shatter my wonder, sooner or later.  :(  But I do enjoy the guy's exhibition tricks and, lets face it, this is a fantasy site so I'm glad we don't have the fun analysed out of existence often. :D :D
Now I feel bad.  :( I didn't mean to shatter your wonder or belittle the guy's skills. I just happened to watch the two videos one after the other and thought that some of the criticism about the claims the first video made was very much justified. I'm by no means a serious enthusiast or an expert on the matter.

And of course we can take some liberties in fantasy. Some of the guy's tricks fit perfectly to a piece of fantasy. :)

No, no, no -never meant for you to feel bad personally, that's why I use lots of emoticons because I do often write tongue- in-cheek.  I was actually aiming at the person in the link, you are quite right, I'm sure some was well justified but  she was seriously put out and making it clear the poor guy doing the tricks was SOOOOO BAD and I wanted to yell "Loosen up!"

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General Discussion / Re: Most Overused Villain of All-time?
« on: March 21, 2015, 12:05:54 AM »
 From Elfy
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. I often find myself asking exactly why these Dark Lords actually want all this power and world domination. What do they really get out of it?

That is a great question - when you finally have it all what happens next? ;D ;D

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Introductions / Re: Hi
« on: March 20, 2015, 09:33:27 AM »
Belated g'day, Lachlan from that city with the beautiful lake in the middle and the dopey collection of weirdos up on The Hill - guess you know where I mean.
Welcome and good luck with your book, but wonder if you've started the need for a recipe thread looking at all the comments and those gorgeous probably-not-Belgian-buns :D

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Yeah, well... I bought words of radiance the day it came out and still haven't read it... There are a lot of other books in my physical TBR too. The one I'm avoiding because it is so big is Perdito Street Station.

Xiagan, Perdido Street Station is very long and it's not one I could read easily in bits because there are so many very unusual characters and the whole concept is so complex.  I had to really concentrate to keep track of both the main plot and all the different threads. Kind of book to read when you can take time, like a holiday read.
Having said that for me it was absolutely brilliant, Mieville's imagination blew me away and it was my favourite book of 2014. So truly recommend you give it a try when you do have the time . ;D

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What are you currently reading?
« on: March 20, 2015, 09:00:05 AM »
Just finishing The Dirty Streets of Heaven, first of Bobby Dollar series by Tad Williams.  Mixed feelings - I have enjoyed it, but it feels like Dresden clone with slightly different antagonists, Angels v Demons instead of Wizards/Good Magic v Demons/Dark Magic with usual type sub plots and betrayals.
With Dresden couldn't wait for the next book, with Bobby Dollar I will continue, but not in any rush.
People here had mixed feelings about the second one. I quite enjoyed it, but xiagan didn't like it. It is very very different from the first one, though. The third kind of got back to the same feel of the first one and it was a trilogy so not like the Dresden Files with it's 15 and counting volumes.

Thanks Elfy, I can't leave a trilogy unfinished and glad to hear the second is different.  None of my favourites have new books due yet until Ben Aaronovitch sometime near end of year.

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