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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Best Fantasy Book of 2011?
« on: November 17, 2011, 10:01:11 PM »
Heh - I have to tell you, it's a bizarre experience to find myself with 'for' & 'against' camps  :)

Since Elfy posted in another thread that s/he liked it when an author listened to his/her criticisms...

What was built up in reviews or elsewhere that you felt let down by? What were these expectations that were dashed?
There was a huge buzz around the book that compared it to writers like Joe Abercrombie in it's 'grittiness' for want of a better word. I quite like Abercrombie, I enjoy the humour that he builds around the most bleak characters and situations, so I was looking for something like that. What I got with Prince of Thorns wasn't that. It was a book, for me I hasten to add, because I know I'm swimming against the stream here, that was almost totally devoid of humour of any sort, and peopled with not only unpleasant characters, but ones that lacked any depth. I have to care about the characters because I want to be invested in what they're doing. I didn't get that with Prince of Thorns. I read on because I hate to leave a book unfinished, but overall I didn't care about any of the characters or what happened to them. Maybe I read it wrong, but it just seemed like violent event piled upon violent event with no real point to any of it.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Best Fantasy Book of 2011?
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:31:49 PM »
If we're talking about let downs for me it was Prince of Thorns.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What are you currently reading?
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:30:28 PM »
Quite enjoyed Elves :) Does take a while to get your head around who is who and what is what though

I read about half of the book, then gave up on it.  It's a library book so I don't feel the need to finish something I was bored with!!  I also started and gave up on NK Jemisin's first book.  So, now I'm on a re-read of Name of the Wind and I have to say second time round, I'm really enjoying it much more for some reason.  That's good as I have Wise Man's Fear to read straight after.   ;D
I read all of the Jemisin, but it wasn't for me. My wife liked it, though. I will get around to reading The Name of the Wind, well rereading it. I swam against the stream with that one too and was not greatly impressed, so reading Wise Man's Fear hasn't been a priority. It's a shame really, because Pat's a really cool bloke in person.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Bad Review?
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:27:34 PM »
I once spoke to a writer about his work and said that whilst I enjoyed the book it had some problems in my opinion. He was very receptive of my criticism and my opinion of him went up a notch because of that.

Sounds like a top bloke.  Anyone who reckons that they know it all is barking mad.
He is, unfortunately the novel didn't generate the sales he and his publisher had been hoping for. Shame really, because the idea had scope and could have unfolded very well.


Unless you are with the big 6, the effort needed on publicity now is enormous.
The Big 6?

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Joe Abercrombie
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:56:39 PM »
I seem to be in the minority here, but I'd prefer for Logen's fate to be left ambiguous.

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Genghis Khan. How a man rises from poverty to conquer the world often using ideas garnered from those he defeated. Hated by many, loved and worshiped by others. A depiction of how one conqueror could be seen as a god while on the other hand, others saw him as a demon, slaying all before him.
Have you read Conn Iggulden's Conqueror series? The first 3 books of that are entirely about Genghis Khan; from his birth to his death. The 4th book is about the void his death left and the 5th book (Conqueror, which I've got, but haven't yet read) focusses on Kublai Khan. Well worth the read if you're at all interested in him. Kim Stanley Robinson also wrote a book called The Years of Rice and Salt which posed the question of how history may have turned out if the Mongols had conquered Europe.

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Just curious why do you think the Australian gold rush would be interesting (I agree it would) but what makes the Australian gold rush different from others to you, the unique setting more than anything ?
Mostly because it's never really been done before in fantasy. There was also the miners themselves and the way they rebelled against the licences at the Eureka Stockade. It was the first genuine wave of immigration in this country and it's set right in the middle of the steampunk era. Being an Aussie that also makes it more relevan to me personally than gold rushes elsewhere in the world. 

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Bad Review?
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:42:45 PM »
I once spoke to a writer about his work and said that whilst I enjoyed the book it had some problems in my opinion. He was very receptive of my criticism and my opinion of him went up a notch because of that.

Sounds like a top bloke.  Anyone who reckons that they know it all is barking mad.
He is, unfortunately the novel didn't generate the sales he and his publisher had been hoping for. Shame really, because the idea had scope and could have unfolded very well.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: A little help please...
« on: November 14, 2011, 10:27:22 PM »
Anyone know of any novels similar to Low Town - that detective/dark/modern stuff. I could be wrong but I don't think Low Town is part of a series?

I've not read Low Town, but Mark Charan Newton's books would fit that description.   ;)

I was really surprised at how great Mark Charan Newton's book was. I'd heard he was like Mieville and that is totally not the case. His story-lines are not really as weird as people make out and his characters although very, very unique are not hard to grasp. I think it is a fantastic example of a modern fantasy with an old sci-fi like feel too it :) Not a huge amount of action as I've said, but really, really enjoyable and will keep you interested for sure :)
I loved Nights of Villjamur, too and if anything City of Ruin was even better. Jeryd became one of my favourite fantasy characters.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Bad Review?
« on: November 14, 2011, 10:25:27 PM »
I once spoke to a writer about his work and said that whilst I enjoyed the book it had some problems in my opinion. He was very receptive of my criticism and my opinion of him went up a notch because of that.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What are you currently reading?
« on: November 14, 2011, 10:11:47 PM »
I finished Prince of Thorns. I fail to see what the fuss was about, it didn't grab me, but we're all different. I just started The Enchantment Emporium by Tanya Huff, and 60 pages in I'm already enjoying that far more than PoT.

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Raymond Feist and Janny Wurtz explored feudal Japan with the Empire series. George Martin has drawn heavily on The War of the Roses in writing ASoIaF. A lot of the steampunk stuff uses Victorian times as the setting. I've occasionally thought the Australian gold rush could work well if done right. Naomi Novik put dragons in the Napoleonic wars in the Temeraire series. Katherine Neville's The Eight had, as part of it's setting, the French Revolution.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: How do you like your magic?
« on: November 13, 2011, 11:21:44 PM »
I like there to be some sort of explanation other than it just 'is'. My favourite idea was in Dave Duncan's A Man of His Word and A Handful of Men series, it centred on words of power. That was a very cool idea and I loved the way he dealt with it and explored it all.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What are you currently reading?
« on: November 13, 2011, 11:17:33 PM »
I'm currently reading Prince of Thorns and in my usual style of reading something totally different I'll give Tanya Huff's Enchantment Emporium a go after that.

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Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: A little help please...
« on: November 13, 2011, 11:13:54 PM »
Thanks again, these look interesting indeed.

I know I've asked plenty about Malazan, but is it closer to the works of more modern/gritty fantasy, or more like WoT etc?

I've got plenty to read. Still doensn't seem like there's as many modern fantasy writers out there as I would like  :(
I've only read Gardens of the Moon, but Malazon does seem to fit into that gritty subgenre, only there's plenty of magic in it. Glen Cook's Black Company books were an inspiration for Erikson. I've read all but the last 2 of those and they are pretty good.

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