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Re: Good freelance editors? Great discussion going in this topic so far!

I'm an editor with indie presses REUTS Publications and Curiosity Quills Press, both of whom are SFF-oriented, and I'm also a literary agent assistant at Corvisiero Agency. In addition to that, I co-own a freelance editing company called Bear and Black Dog Editing.

Courtney has given great advice, and I just want to second a lot of what she's said. For a novel of average length, expect to pay somewhere between $1200-$1800 for a full manuscript edit. (asabo, your 80k example would be about $1000-$1300 by my company's prices, depending on what the page count ended up being--we charge a flat fee of $6/page.)

A reputable editor will always provide references and do a free sample--we do a three-page sample for full MS edits. It's really important to find an editor who is not only skilled, but who gets your writing style and your genre.

Many editors these days offer less expensive packages. At Bear and Black Dog, we've got a very popular reader report package that's only $1/page. We don't make actual edits to the manuscript, but we read it and give you an editorial letter detailing the strengths and weaknesses of the manuscript, which our clients have found very helpful for guiding their own revisions. Reader reports are what many lit agencies and publishers use to assess a manuscript they're considering signing or buying. And we've just started a new revision planning consultation service, where we IM/skype with clients and walk them through outlining each step of their revisions.

As others have said, some editors will do whatever is needed, others keep clear boundaries between kinds of editing. My company offers edits targeted at either structural or line/copy, but they're priced the same way so if I find that the manuscript actually needs more of one or the other, I go ahead and do it. My company is also able to offer what we call a "twice tried" or publishing house edit. We have two editors, so the pub house edit gets you two passes, in other words, structural AND line editing, for only $8/page--which is nice, because then you don't have to do two separate editing jobs at the $6/page price, which saves our clients money.

TL:DR, a good editor will work with you however they can, because they love the written word as much as you do.  :D

March 16, 2015, 06:26:41 PM
Re: Am I Sexist?: Males reading female authored fantasy
Personally, I found The Kingkiller Chronicle, and especially The Slow Regard of Silent Things, far more problematic and uncomfortable to read as a feminist than a lot of 'rape and ultraviolence' grimdark novels. The character of Auri, in particular, I find profoundly voyeuristic - here's this damaged, clearly mentally ill young woman, and we're supposed to find her, what, kookie and appealing and romantic. The descriptions of her in Silent Things are clearly highly sexualised and objectified, yet somehow we're asked to assume it's fine to read lengthy descriptions of her naked because she's a child of nature. Not because she a vulnerable hotty in a very short dress, oh no. 

I haven't read Mirror Empire, which is the original book up for discussion here, but I wanted to chime in that I found The Name of the Wind (Kingkiller book one--I haven't read The Slow Regard) problematic in a lot of ways too. My particular issue was with male main character Kvothe positioning his love interest, Denna, as this distant and unfathomable perfect creature, even in the "present" when he's been through his whole story and is relating it all to Chronicler. This concept that men can never hope to understand women seems harmless, but creates a lot of problems, such as contributing to the dehumanizing and objectifying of female characters.

This is not to say, of course, that male characters who view women this way shouldn't exist, but I think this is where the point of view of the novel is crucial. The bulk of Kingkiller is Kvothe telling his own story, obviously, so he's not going to critique his own misconceptions--but Chronicler and Bast are both given POV time, which could have been utilized to at least question Kvothe's "oh I could never begin to understand this woman" posturing.

This is also why, coming at it from an author's perspective, choosing an unusual POV to write from can do a lot to distinguish one's story from others in the genre; and why branching out to those authors who are from or write characters who are from marginalized or uncommon POVs can be really rewarding to readers.

March 30, 2015, 10:12:59 PM
Re: Best Recently Released Book Definitely added a few of these to my own to-be-read pile! Which is threatening to crush me right now...

I somehow managed to JUST discover Robin Hobb (I know, I know) and I've been tearing through the Rain Wilds Chronicles (first book Dragon Keeper). They're older, so you may have already read them; the first book was published in 2010 I think. Easy to read, but sooooo meaty. And I haven't read any of the other books set in this world, so easy to pick up as an outsider.

Other than that, I've really enjoyed Sarah J. Maas's Throne of Glass series, which is YA fantasy.

March 30, 2015, 10:23:59 PM
Favorite books that tackle social issues? Hey everyone!

I channeled my love of books into an english literature degree when I was in college, and I'm looking to get back into doing more literary analysis on my personal website. I'm excited about my first work, which is going to focus on questions of beauty, disability, and monstrosity in Robin Hobb's Rain Wilds Chronicles.

SFF is a genre that provides lots of innovative opportunities to explore issues like these, so I'd like to hear what your favorites are! I'm open to anything from classics to new releases, though I'd prefer to focus on newer (last decade or so) novels.

Can't wait to see your recommendations!

March 30, 2015, 10:29:02 PM
Re: Do you read unfinished series or prefer to wait? For me, there's a point where the waiting becomes too much. As a kid with the Harry Potter books, I was frantic with every new one, but as an adult I lose some of that excitement. I started ASOIAF right before the fifth book came out, so I got to preorder it and get those tingles. But knowing that it'll be at least another year, probably more, makes me pretty "meh" about book six. Of course, that might have been because of book five, which was really down and more depressing than usual--if I remember from what, three, four years ago?

This happens to me with shows, too. I'm a huge Doctor Who fan, and yet I haven't watched any of the new season because it was such a long wait that I couldn't sustain the excitement.

With all these things, I do plan to read/watch them. It's just sort of like, if the creators can take their time creating, then I will enjoy them at my leisure too.

January 07, 2016, 07:00:47 PM