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I would risk my life and the lives of people I love to defend it. If required, I would give my life and take the lives of people I've never met to defend it and the people who live here - not solely because they are MY people, but because I believe in the potential of America to be a great nation - not because of our strength but because of the good we achieve with it,


You seem to have misinterpreted the quote, which does not reference an obscure, external anything. Real, rampant ignorance is driving the heart of my people's failure to understand when they're being manipulated, their inability to recognize flawed solutions as flawed, and their lack of any understanding of the other peoples of the world. Or even understanding of themselves! For example, when people in Kentucky say things like "I HATE Obamacare, but I love Kynect" you see the impact of ignorance. Kentuckians, particularly, poor ones, voted for Trump, who is killing Obamacare, and of course, Kynect  (also called the Kentucky Health Benefit Exchange) is Kentucky's Obamacare insurance exchange.

 Ok, you were talking much more on a specific point while I thought you were  generalising.
Well, that exists everywhere in some form or another and all you can do in the end is help improve the critical thinking in your immediate enviroment.

@Feanor  Red means Republican blue means Democrat. Trump is republican

While I may have heard the terms red and blue for describing the parties it's not something that comes to mind immediatelly as a foreigner to USA rather I thought that you were talking about areas where "rednecks" live and you chose a polite way to name them.I know Trump is a republican, few people in the world wouldn't know by now.

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Indeed, there are several perspectives that many Americans have that directly or indirectly are synonymous with feeling that others are beneath them. Beyond the pure racists, there are their less ugly but similarly misguided idealists who believe that our ways are superior, and of course, they're not entirely wrong. For example, our women can vote, and some of us feel superior to countries whose women cannot - and therein lies the rub. It's an easy trap to fall into when you slide from a "they should do X for Y reasons" to a "we are superior because we do X for Y reasons".

I find that the word "superior" rarely has any positive connotation.
I wasn't inquiring about the racists because in this context they are extremists.
I was more interested on how people that understand the debacle(living in a "better" society and unconsciously acting like superiors) they are in feel about that.

For my part I do believe that USA is a "better" society because it's more era appropriate compared to the rest of the world.

For my part, I love my country like I love all the people that I love - not because they are inherently better but because I see the good in them despite their flaws that my open eyes can and do see. Some question my loyalty, because to them, acknowledging America's faults is blasphemous. You should see the stunned looks I sometimes receive and the frustration my patriotic Trump-supporting relatives and friends experience because they cannot write me off as an America-hating liberal.

Now, when you say you love your country what exactly do you mean?
I ask because I don't particularly love my country, I do feel closer to the culture than others in the world but I don't feel a love for my nation that surpasses the other nations.There are people like that in my country too but I feel it's dangerously close to nationalism and in truth the notion doesn't offer anything positive but an increased sense of belonging.

I feel that this is one of the things that have been ingrained into the population, that it is wrong to not love America and maybe, even, blasphemous.As I said we have it here too but in a lesser degree although we are 1/30 of USA so that is debatable  I guess.

As for the people, I come to love whoever I spend time with (not all) and for the rest I have a degree of respect and empathy.I feel like America has somewhat coined the word "love" and is using it to exert control over the masses, not in a "THEY are behind this" (Jews, large corporations, hidden rich families etc) way but in an underlying mentality that permeates the society.
 
As for your family, I do understand the precarious position you're in viewing the world differently than them but there is also a mitigating factor in this situation.As you can observe the flaws in your family(I am talking here about flaws that directly originate from the sociopolitical climate there) that sort of grounds you and allows you more opportunities to feel empathy towards "alien" people and cultures.

Because I do believe you live in a "better" society than Iran and that can and does alienate you from their culture that has some, let's say, "barbaric" aspects in it.So it is normal to believe yourselves "better" at some degree but not more "valuable".I find it takes great wisdom to discern all the fine lines that you shouldn't cross when thinking about such things.




And I appreciate your delicate phrasing Feanor, and would posit that everything we're seeing is merely symptoms of the twin devils of humanity. Look to the ghosts under the robes of the Ghost of Christmas Present:

“This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.”

I do try to be respectful and mindful of peoples identities and beliefs but I don't always succeed.
I do agree about the twin devils of humanity although I wouldn't elevate them above other devils.
Even though I do like talking about things through the prism of philosophy I don't believe that some obscure, external of ourselves notions govern our decisions, rather we make our own choices based on and in spite of these notions.

When I was 20 I studied abroad in South America. We all had homestays with families were in internships, we met once a week to discuss things. A lot of times the white girls in my group would cry b/c they were upset with how racist people there were-- often the families had indigenous house maids but I saw some extremely brutal acts of racism against indigenous people on the street.  One day a mestizo (the dominant class of latino that doesn't identify as indigenous) man sat next to me on the bus and asked me "Why are people so racist in your country? No one is racist here!"

I never meant to say that Americans have the monopoly on racism, that would be absurd.In truth, I wasn't even  talking about racism but rather for the mentality of the people who are definitely not racist.As for stories of racism, I can share a lot, especially after the influx of refugees after the war in Syria started and when the Greek equivalent of the Nazi party was voted in the parliament.


Traveling Americans have an exceptional reputation for racism ("You're different from other Americans," a Spanish friend told me, "Most Americans think we eat Mexican food and that Europe is a country and it's capital is Paris") but honestly just listening to British and French travelers speak about how stupid/substandard the people of whatever country they're in sometimes makes me recoil in horror.  My friends from Cypress have choice things to say about Turkey. And Israelis, oh my god, it's like speaking to the Jewish version of young Hitler. So yeah, like you said everyone's racist, but it's interesting how much more clearly you can see other people's racism than it is to see your own.

Quotes like this don't even point to racism in my opinion, more like ignorance and lack of education.But British and French do sound racist when they comment like that.As for Cyprus, these people have been through a lot with Turkey and to be honest they still have problems.I wish it was otherwise but it is somewhat understandable.I do agree that it's always easier to observe other people's problems, including racism, than  your own.

The red parts of the country (esp. rural) were sent into a frenzy with Macarthyism seeing communists in every corner, today it's terrorists.  The fact that Russia is now a-okay goes to show you how much control politicians have over what they think.  Interpersonally, however, there is plenty of hate crime but there's also a lot of surprising conviviality. The red state people might not be as bad as you think if you meet them in person, meanwhile the liberal parts of the country are racist in their own ways, usually hidden behind a veneer of liberal bullshit.

Are you referring to "red parts" of the country as places with lack of education and/or sociopolitical cultivation?
Well, giving enemies, existing ones or not,  to the public was always a good way to control people.(again not in a conspiracy kind of way but more like collective, unconscious, self imposed control).
It would be nice if only politicians exerted that kind of control over  the masses because at least they can be held accountable.But in this day and age anyone that is given a microphone has some control over the unsuspecting public.

There are always gonna be examples of extremes in every concept, but I think it's it's dangerous to use them to judge a situation.As for people of lower education being sometimes overall "better" than others seemingly more equipped to be active citizens I couldn't agree more.

There is a word in Greek language for which there is no counterpart in English or other languages(as far as I know).The word is "???????" (Paideia), sounds like Pedia.It originates from the ancient Greek word " ????" (child) and it's "daughter" word " ???????" [educating - pester, torture(couldn't find closer counterparts)].
    Anyway, the word means to cultivate one's personality in all sectors : spiritual, moral, physical etc.It also includes the meaning of education but is not limited to it.People from all walks of life can have it despite the level of their education.

In fact we often say that some university professors have less of it than people that only finished elementary school.


When it comes to Iran, I don't think its the general population that's driving policy, it's politicians.  I also don't think it's warmongering in this case. I actually don't foresee a war with Iran. The history there is interesting-- the US CIA orchestrated a coup which solidified the Shah's control over Iran in order to protect their oil interests at great cost to democracy and human rights in the 1950s.  This basically set the stage for the virulently anti-American Khomeini to rise to prominence as a populist leader opposing the Shah.  When Khomeni eventually took over Iran and also took a bunch of Americans hostage just in time for US President Carter's re-election in 1980.  The Republicans were elected based on the idea that they were hard on terrorism, where Carter was all about human rights and had even refused to continue to prop up despotic dictatorships like in Nicaragua. The Republicans hated Carter for this.  Behind everyone's back, the Republicans were using the CIA to sell Colombian cocaine to raise money for weapons that they purchased from Iran (despite official sanctions) and used those weapons to fight an illegal war against the Sandanistas in Nicaragua. Then, mysteriously when the Republicans won the presidential election the hostages were released.  Personally, I think then entire hostage situation was orchestrated as part of a ploy to win the election. I'm not sure if Republican relationships with Iran continue today or not.


I don't believe that the public has ever driven policies(in any country), more like they were made to agree with the decisions of the government that was in power each time.I also agree that it's not warmongering and that a war won't take place(probably).
I didn't know all of the story in the area but I did know that an American government had yet again got involved with state matters of other countries and it came back to bite them in the ass.I think one of the underlying notions that exist in the mentality of American public is the fact that they don't know the history of the situation or they ignore it because the government presents the opposition as terrorists and/or extremists(which can be true depending on the situation) and still retain the moral high ground like some sort of moral Obi Wan Kenobi.

Of course, again, that happens all over the world but it's more visible in America because of it's status, influence and power.

At any rate, today Iran is very much a legitimate threat and has funded a variety of terrorist groups active around the world.  They've had their nose in a large number of conflicts-- we're not usually on the right side of these conflicts, but neither is Iran and it's left countless people sandwiched in the middle of bloody battles between despots.  Nuclear weapons in Iran's hands would be an incredibly dangerous scenario not only for the US, but the destabilizing effect of a nuclear weapon deployed by terrorists in any number of the conflicts Iran has instantiated itself into his beyond horrifying. Republicans use racism to their advantage, and they are regularly incredibly racists, but I don't think it's racism that is driving their concerns with the Iran deal. I think it's a genuine fear of Iran developing nuclear weapons under the flexibility the treaty has allowed them.

I concur that Iran is a threat and not only to USA but there is something to be said when you judge a whole people by the actions of their government.I agree that as things stand Iran should not develop nuclear weapons as it will only escalate the situation if not outright blow it up.Having said that shouldn't  there be a purpose other than suppress nuclear programs of countries that may pose a threat to USA and/or the rest of the world?

That is the crust of the matter, Usa will try to make the world a better, safer place(if only to itself) but the means that they will use might in fact create more chaos in the end.The republicans promoting racism may help steer the country towards a better deal for a  safer future but, racism, once achieved is not so easily discarded.

That is just one example  of how things might get worse for USA in the attempt to reach a better future.There are real issues with Iran developing nukes but politicians shouldn't use fear to convince the public towards their agenda.The ends don't justify the means and there are unquantifiable repercussions down the road.

These are just my two cents and I don't mean to insult anyone but I leave this "disclaimer" here because these are sensitive matters and sometimes over the internet it's hard not to get offended.

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I'm curious about something.I know you can't judge a whole country by the behaviour of it's goverment but does American society feel that every country with people of different skin color, much different culture/ideology or other alienating differences is a potential threat and/or beneath them?

I am not asking if you personally feel this way but if there's an underlying notion in the society that goes along with "America is the land of freedom, American dream, Democracy, having superior military to "protect your values" or "settle differences" in other lands and bring "freedom" and "democracy" to these people.I may seem judgemental but tbh my culture is much closer to USA than say Iran or Pakistan.

What I am more interested in is if people that are not extremists and have a good measure of critical thought have ingrained into their beliefs some of the "political lines" that have been associated with USA over the years.
My understanding is that this occurs in all countries and societies but USA is special because it's a military and financial superpower(which means they have more power over the rest of the world than other countries) that's governed by democracy so the beliefs of it's citizens matter most than those of other countries.

I am a bit reluctant posting this, fearful of being misunderstood and I could go on to further clarify but I will place my trust in people.Again, I am just interested on your view of the sociopolitical climate there not so much as it is expressed by the media but more so by grasping the climate in your smaller communities.

Last but not least if you find this post harmful in any way feel free to delete it.

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General Discussion / Re: How many nationalities have we here
« on: May 11, 2018, 08:56:35 AM »
I'm British but have lived in other parts of Europe and Asia for decades. I now live in the Hills of Shiding, which sounds close enough to an epic fantasy location for any fantasy writer :)

Or maybe it's a secret community of criminals who all share the same lisp!  ;)

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[MAR 2018] Letters / Re: [Mar 2018] - Letters - Voting Thread
« on: May 09, 2018, 06:22:42 PM »
@Feanor
Major props goes to the twist on this story, which I thought was the best of the bunch on this occasion. I can't compliment enough the unique take you played on writing a letter to your worst enemy, and it turns out that they're writing it to themselves.

The fantasy elements were what ultimately lost me, whereby you crammed so many things in there that I ended up with information overload and collapsed into confusion. You had two cool concepts: the possession aspect of the sword, and the corrupting nature of the Shade. And either one, given the spotlight, would have served to reach the twist at the end. But because both of them were in there, I often found myself struggling to work out what was what and what was going on, and these issues were compounded when the protagonist held conversations with the sword in hand.

So yes, a victim of its own ambition, possibly, but that's taking nothing away from the unique and interesting take you had on the theme.

@D_Bates

First of all, thank you for taking time and putting effort to writing this critique.

I'd like to say that you were too lenient and I judged myself harsher on the things you mentioned plus some more.In the future if you would be so kind as to review anything I may post do so less politely please.I am a person that likes detailed feedback and I don't take anything personally.

For starters I felt that my prose didn't have a proper flow and there were probably errors in grammar and syntax.Furthermore, I should say that the story has almost zero editing.It was late at night/morning when I finished and had reached about 2300 words.I was eager to post since it was like last two days or so and I ended up cleaving some parts without editing to reach 1500.

Even so, I wasn't gonna post it like that but as I copy/pasted it on the forum to take a look at it's final form instead of pressing "Preview" I pressed "Post".I was so mad at myself and so tired that I closed the pc and went to sleep.

In my mind the story was belonged in 3 prompts.
2) The MC writes a letter back to their loved one(s), knowing they will never come home again.
3) Time travel. The (aged) MC can (and want to) send a letter to their younger self.
5) You're the villain of the story and write a letter to the hero(es) who thwarted your plans. 

I 'm guessing 3 and 5 are obvious but the story was so messed up that I don't think anyone understood about 2.
In the end the Shade was Arieh, the woman, although it believed (because the sword manipulated it so) that it was Luciel.
Arieh made the choice of accepting the Shadow willingly so that she could take away from Luciel the choice of choosing between her and the kingdoms.Now because the Shade wrote to Luciel and she was in fact Arieh and they were lovers and Shade knew it wasn't gonna survive, the story also belongs to 2.Of course all that wasn't conveyed properly but that was my intention.

Anyway, since you gave me feedback it's only fair to give you too, despite my lack of expertise as a writer.
I will try to convey to you my feelings as a reader.

I liked the story because it was refreshing.
The dialect, the plot and the characters deviated from the more serious tone of the other stories and though serious issues like  war were mentioned there wasn't the usual heaviness that comes with the mention of such subjects.

The plot reminded me of Star Trek and thought that it could be a possible episode in the tv series.
In fact when  I finished reading the story I thought this could be the script for a tv series.A hybrid between the Expanse and  Brooklyn 99.

But, I felt that the very strength of the story was it's weakness.It was lighthearted and different and leaned towards comedy without being really comedic.I didn't feel a connection and for the character(s) and didn't much care how she ended up.I believe that was due to the imbalance of lightheartedness, comedy and serious plot.

Your narrative was good and easily read.
All in all the strong point of the story was it's refreshing vibe, mostly done by the dialect and prose, while the weak part was the lack of interest towards the plot and character because of a connection wasn't established because the story felt focused on comedy and not the plot.

Well, these are my two cents but remember I don't usually,  give feedback and have no expertise to lean on so I don't know what it's worth to you.

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General Discussion / Re: How many nationalities havet
« on: May 09, 2018, 05:20:20 PM »

@Feanor Greece?

@Lady Ty , indeed I am the demigod son of Zeus, brother to Kratos and Hercules.
I've done 12 chores in the house today and slew a spider I named Ares.

I also wear my shirts with the buttons on the back!   8)

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Artemis Fowl isn't bad but it's still recent/urban fantasy and not "traditional fantasy".

It's ages that I read Howl's moving castle and I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment.

You are right, my bad.
I should have specified that I meant only the subterranean culture of the Elves and the other creatures that mix magic with advanced technology and not the whole book along with the modern day human civilization which makes the book urban fantasy.




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I'm gonna go more Howl's Moving Castle with this one(the Miyazaki version), with tech heavy airships and magic a commonality of the world.
Great topic and glad it's not steampunk

Usually, I am not one to nitpick, but Howl's Moving Castle is kind of a steampunk.
Still, I like it a lot along with all Miyazaki creations.

I heartily disagree. Yes there are some vehicles that use steam (like the tram) but the other main steam producing machine is a normal train. The flying bike things are not steam powered and neither are the warship. The aesthetic isn't one of cogs and the fashion is not Victorian but just dress and shirt-pants/uniform fantasy.
Howl's castle is entirely powered by magic. The mechanisms are one of tubs and bits and bobs and fancy contraptions around a magical fuel. Look at the door in the castle: the colour coding is there to help you see which location you're set on, but the magic is inured in the handle itself.
To me the film has nothing of steampunk at all. But it's close enough to be a contentious POV of course.

Don't get me wrong, I mostly agree with the differences you mentioned but I, also, believe it's a matter if semantics.
It's the steampunk  version of Japanese anime/manga culture hence the differences.

I am not raising this issue to debate whether you should go that way for the short story but because I am a fan if yhe Japanese culture of anime/manga and I consider Howl's Movibg Castle a steampunk, although, quite original, especially, for it's time.


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I'm gonna go more Howl's Moving Castle with this one(the Miyazaki version), with tech heavy airships and magic a commonality of the world.
Great topic and glad it's not steampunk

Usually, I am not one to nitpick, but Howl's Moving Castle is kind of a steampunk.
Still, I like it a lot along with all Miyazaki creations.

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Hmmm... do you mean something like Artemis Fowl?
It's kinda low magic but this is what, immediately, came into my mind when I saw this month's prompt.

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Writers' Corner / Re: Fantasy word choice funtime
« on: April 20, 2018, 07:00:55 PM »
You could use ‘below’
Below was my first idea. Beneath was the more fanciful upgrade I came up with later.  8) Though I was wondering if the two are really interchangeable, or whether one of them would sound off to native speakers.
Hmmm... I think the correct word is "underneath".
I can't put my finger on why, but somehow underneath feels like a too "extreme" variant of "under" for standing between trees. Underneath makes me think more of being underground. Is that just my false intuition as a non-native speaker, or does it actually have any such conotation?

But I guess my own intuition was already putting me in the right spot.

I did a google search and found this :

https://www.myenglishteacher.eu/ask/question/difference-between-beneath-under-underneath-and-below/

Seems logical the way it describes each word.
You were half right, your intuition was correct that "underneath"  has the wrong connotation for this phrase but it seems that it's about layers.

Well, English isn't my native language either so when I inform or correct people with false facts  I try to have confidence to keep people, more knowledgeable  than me, guessing.  ;D

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Writers' Corner / Re: Fantasy word choice funtime
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:56:58 PM »
I want to make a new website to track the development of my wilderness Sword & Sorcery stories, and it needs a title.

"Beneath the Leaves of Kaendor" appeals to me, but is "beneath" the correct word here? And is there a more poetic alternative for "leaves"? (And it might be spelled "leafs", have to look that up later.)

You could use ‘below’ , but please don’t spell as leafs.

ETA just saw query re ‘hollow’. It is not a woodland, as such, but a smallish valley between hills. Of course it could have hollow trees in it.  :P

Well, that's what happens when you answer questions on intuition.
You are right Lady Ty the meaning of hollow is not woodland but valley or basin.

I'm guessing the confusion stems from the fact that most valleys/holows in fantasy settings are woodlands.

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Writers' Corner / Re: Fantasy word choice funtime
« on: April 20, 2018, 11:46:41 AM »
Ok etymology question: why is a woodland called a hollow??? If anything its more filled up than hollow

I like those.
I think it refers to the void of human civilization.

It's hollow/empty from the humans or the specific humans pov since nothing of value exists there.
That's my take but I could be wrong.

   -EDIT-

Damn, not only did I double post but i quoted the posts in the wrong order.
Take that system!

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Writers' Corner / Re: Fantasy word choice funtime
« on: April 20, 2018, 11:27:47 AM »
I want to make a new website to track the development of my wilderness Sword & Sorcery stories, and it needs a title.

"Beneath the Leaves of Kaendor" appeals to me, but is "beneath" the correct word here? And is there a more poetic alternative for "leaves"? (And it might be spelled "leafs", have to look that up later.)
Hmmm... I think the correct word is "underneath".
Also, the only other word I could think of, instead of "leaves" is "petals".

Something like this :

"Underneath the Petals of Kaendor"

But I don't quite like it, maybe you could add a word to leaf instead and make it :

"Underneath the Leaf Blades of Kaendor"





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Ok here's my list:

1. Star Wars - Millenium Falcon
Fastest ship in the galaxy (says Han)

Spoiler for Hiden:

2.Star Trek - USS Enterprise E
If you want to kill some Borg

Spoiler for Hiden:

3.Starcraft - Gantrithor
If you want to kamikaze the huge overmind of a genetically advanced, assimilating, arthropodal alien race.

Spoiler for Hiden:

4.Ulysses 31 - Odyssey
Because Homer was way ahead of his time.

Spoiler for Hiden:

5.Firefly - Serenity
Because cowboys can go to space.

Spoiler for Hiden:

6.The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Heart of Gold
Probably the most akward spaceship ever.

Spoiler for Hiden:

7.Planetes - Toybox
Greenpeace approved.

Spoiler for Hiden:

8.Sidonia - Sidonia no Kishi
Because why not build a ship out of asteroid

Spoiler for Hiden:

9.Marvel - Silver Surfer's Surfboard
Ride through the Cosmos in style.

Spoiler for Hiden:

10.Doctor Who - TARDIS
When parking's a bitch.

Spoiler for Hiden:

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