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The Lies of Locke Lamora, said this before, but the city of Camorr is like an extra character in that book.

I've been looking at this sentiment and thinking that I slightly disagree, and trying to put a finger on why. I think it's less a disagree on the sentiment, and more a difference in definitions. I feel in TLoLL, the people of Camorr (as a whole) are vitally important to the book - what makes a Camorri, how they live and interact and the systems they build and support... all of that is hugely important. I feel like the place of Camorr is much less vital - there are settings, obviously, and those settings are unique and well-drawn and bring together a great sense of place, but I don't feel that the story was deeply steeped in that place. People yes, place no.

So that's just making me thing: is a city a place or the people? (The answer, I think, is: yes. But hitherto on this thread I'd been thinking of city as place.)
It’s kind of both in TLoLL. Camorr is a part of them and it has that reputation outside of the city itself.
Spoiler for Hiden:
theres that bit in Red Seas Under Red Skies where the pirate captain is reluctant to take Locke and Jean into the pirate city until Jean mentions that they’re from Camorr, and she immediately acquiesces
. I like all of the books, but I like the first one even more because of Camorr. I doubt the circumstances that created Locke and the Gentleman Bastards could have happened in any other city in that world, because Camorr is kind of unique in its setup.

General Discussion / Re: If there was a brand new Fantasy TV show
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:16:28 AM »
I would love to watch Drizzt and Malazan on TV.

@Eclipse would probably prefer WoT or Mistborn :P

I would look forward to the 2 hour episode set in the bath tub.
Only one episode? That’ll need its own spin off series.
There have been a couple of really good TV fantasy shows of late, Magicians springs to mind, especially once it goes off book. Although it’s a super hero show Legends of Tomorrow is fantastical as well as being a whole of of fun, although be warned the first season is awful. I’d skip it altogether and start with season 2. I also have high hopes for WandaVision.

Locke and Jean are up there, as are Harry Dresden and Karrin Murphy and Peter Grant and Thomas Nightingale. Bronn and Tyrion are also quite fun.

The Lies of Locke Lamora, said this before, but the city of Camorr is like an extra character in that book.

Feist and Wurtz’s Empire series was based on medieval Japan. That’s basically what the world of Kelewan was. The closest Feist came to doing something middle eastern themed was Prince of the Blood, which was largely set in the Empire of Kesh, which was kind of Egyptian in feel.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Reading SFF is escapism
« on: February 21, 2020, 05:01:49 AM »
Isn’t most entertainment some form of escapism? Even sport, which many like to spend a few hours watching, provides an escape from the pressures and issues of real life.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What is sword and sorcery to you?
« on: February 13, 2020, 05:40:40 AM »
For me, it means the works of Howard/Ashton Smith/Leiber and what you find in them - high adventure, personal stakes, a high level of amorality, heroes who fight on their own (or maybe with one other), and 'ordinary' men & women pitched up against supernatural forces such as sorcerers, godlings, strange beasts and so on. It's very rare for the hero of an early S&S to be a sorcerer themselves - magic users are mostly the enemy.
Leiber actually coined the term in response to a letter from Moorcock demanding a name for the sort of thing written by Howard and his contemporaries. Lin Carter believes you can trace its origins back to mythology like the stories of Hercules and The Odyssey.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Children Fantasy Books
« on: February 12, 2020, 08:46:04 AM »
The older one may like The Borribles by Michael de Larabeiti.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: The Dresden Files
« on: February 11, 2020, 08:37:10 PM »
I'm resisting reading the teasers, I want to go in blind when it's finally here.

You might want to. From what I see, I want to brush up on the novellas a bit. Looks like some peripheral characters gain prominece.
i havent' read the teasers, either, but I did read the whole thing, including the 2 short story collections last year.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: What did you read in January 2020
« on: February 02, 2020, 03:33:14 AM »
Quite a good reading month for me.

One Dark Throne and Two Dark Reigns by Kendare Blake. This is quite a good little YA gothic horror fantasy series. The fight for the throne takes a turn, as three sisters still remain in the hunt, when by now two should have been murdered by their sister.

The Imaginary Corpse by Tyler Hayes. The premise of this is wonderful. An imaginary detective who resembles a fluffy toy triceratops called Tippy goes hunting for a killer in a world of make believe. It suffers in execution largely because the author seemed to be terrified of offending anyone in any way.

They Promised Me the Gun Wasn't Loaded by James Gardner. A follow up to All Those Explosions Were Someone Else's Fault. The first one sounds like fun and is, but the second ups that by using the best character from the first and making her the focus.

The Stepsister Scheme by Jim Hines. Part of my reread project. It's the first of Hines' Princess series where he explores what happened after 'happily ever after' to three of the most popular fairy tale princesses in Cinderella, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. It's a little uneven in tone, but fun to see the princesses as a sort of fairy tale version of Charlie's Angels.

This Body's Not Big Enough For Both Of Us by Edgar Cantero. I enjoyed the same author's Meddling Kids in 2018, and this was a great new novel by him. It's a mystery, but that's the only similarity. Where Meddling Kids was about a group of kids who were kind of like the Scooby Doo gang crossed with the Famous Five, this is an Elmore Leonard style detective story, with the twist being that the detective in question is actually two separate people inhabiting the one body.

The Anarchy by William Dalrymple. Non fiction, about the rise and fall of the East India Company and how it effectively controlled an entire nation.

Arabella and the Battle of Venus by David D. Levine. The sequel to Arabella of Mars. The Napoleonic Wars in outer space. Space opera crossed with planetary romance and it reads kind of like a cross between Patrick O'Brien and Jane Austen with some Edgar Rice Burroughs thrown in for good measure.

Come Tumbling Down by Seanan McGuire, the most recent entry in McGuire's Wayward Children series. These novellas just don't miss a trick and they're all absolutely captivating.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Gothic Horror Fantasy
« on: February 01, 2020, 11:46:36 PM »
I’d say anything by Grady Hendrix, but a warning, they’re often intentionally quite funny as well as creepy.

Just a point about No Time to Die the Bond film. At this stage the black female character is NOT Bond. James has retired from active service and his 00 number was assigned to another agent, who happened to be female. He’s worked with a number of competent female agents: Anya Amasova, Wai Lin and Eve Moneypenny are 3. Holly Goodhead and Jinx were billed that way, but were badly acted.

That's the point where this no longer is a Bond film but rather a 007 film. A notable distinction! Wonder if we'll see a 007 Boy (instead of a Bond Girl) as eye candy  8)

I hope they get some new plot. Russia/Eastern Europe and Middle East/Terrorism plus nukes have been done to death. Goldeneye was refreshing and we need newer plots.
James is still the heart of it. He returns from retirement to find someone else has his 00 number. The villain is being played by Rami Malek from Mr. Robot and Bohemian Rhapsody. Bond have been trying to a spin off for years. There were plans to do it with Jinx, but the film bombed and people didn’t connect with the character. As Halle Berry seemed to be more interested with her fashion choices than anything else that’s probably not surprising that the idea never went anywhere.

Lord of the Flies was gender swapped  and died a death in 2017

Fight Club is being Gender Swapped at the moment how far from understanding the point can you get. Rule 6 might save this one though.

There have been calls for a female Gandalf because fucking up what fans love and then not going to see the result is an easy call for some of the less rational on twitter

Battlestar Galactica carries off genderswapping starbuck pretty well.

Ghostbusters in being/been remade following original canon and with original cast participating  and the usual suspects on twitter are screaming that it ignores the 2016 film, which I have not seen but am told was dire. An hour of queef jokes anyone?

HBO have just cancelled and lost $24,000,000 on a prequal to GOT directed by Jane Goldman not a gender swap as such but too woke for HBO to consider it commercial and too far from GOT lore so I would hazard a guess at plenty of stong independent women and not much game of thrones.

The Rocketeer is being gender swapped for an animated series.

Batwoman is currently tanking and blaming men for not watching. Again being woke is an alternative to a decent script good acting and sensible fight scenes ohh and a rational plot. Ruby Rose said it's not for straight white old men a great way to halve your audience.

The new James Bond may have a black female Bond. The only two diehard Bond fans I know are really unhappy about this. They are both women in their 40's, but they buy the books and films and don't sit on twitter shrieking about how unfair established series are. Of course Judi Dench was genderswapped in as M but thats more a title than a character.
Just a point about No Time to Die the Bond film. At this stage the black female character is NOT Bond. James has retired from active service and his 00 number was assigned to another agent, who happened to be female. He’s worked with a number of competent female agents: Anya Amasova, Wai Lin and Eve Moneypenny are 3. Holly Goodhead and Jinx were billed that way, but were badly acted.

Now I would have like an Asian Dr. Who. As thats over half the worlds population, but I guess that was too much of a stretch for the BBC.

No offense, but that's nonsense. I'm Asian and I can say It'd not be popular and Asian people would hate an Asian Dr Who. Just like they'd hate an Asian Indiana Jones or an Asian James Bond. It's just retrospective gender/race swapping just to satisfy the PC crowd. Perhaps that's be true in China, but not in Asia.

I'd assume that movie industry isn't that bereft of imagination to not come up with a good movie featuring a women secret agent or a women adventurer. Lara Croft and Wonder Women come readily to mind without resorting to compulsory swapping of characters.

It's not like I'd protest swapping of gender or race for popular characters, but wouldn't be disappointed if it's not done.
The one that rarely gets mentioned here, and imo is perfect is Modesty Blaise. It’s unfortunate that the 3 attempts to transition her from comic strips and books to screen have been botched. I always felt Marvel missed a trick by not gender flipping Black Panther. Again only my opinion, but that to me would have improved the character.

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: list your fantasy westerns
« on: January 30, 2020, 04:40:15 AM »
My favourite is Pale Rider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Rider. Clint said it was fantasy, and I believe him.
Yeah, I’d go with that, too. It was left deliberately ambiguous.

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