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This might fit better into "Adventures in writing" but here is my story:

- There is a contest for a children book.
- There is also a money prize for the winner
- I need money
- Started to write a story about some naughty mice and old rat with a good heart
- ...
- My real work in progress is an eldritch horror

I slowly begin to hate myself and if I actually win my speach will be:

"Thank you to this money for being my only motivation. Not worth it thought."

I have to say that I am a bad person and it was a Trap-Post. I 100% agree with mr. Xiagan and I am happy to actually see that you all are so like-minded.

Ok. But now I do have to explain myself, don't I?

This post was inspired by a number of articles about fantasy tropes and how overused some of them are, and how writers should change or right away stop using them. There are several tropes, that everyone seem to condemn.

The Chosen One, Medieval Europe, No Progress - these were among the most hated ones and I was actually sad reading about it. Most of the books with "The Chosen One" played this trope in so many surprising ways. Medieval Europe is what I read in 90% of books, and what I am going to write - why? Because we should write about what we know. For real - I am not going to study a history of China for the next five years, just to write about asian-inspired world, because Asia is totally not my thing and I need to do my chores and study for the next biotechnology exam and I have work tomorrow. I will leave it to someone who actually has any idea about Asia - or better - was born on this gigantic continent. Or has enough time to learn something about it - sadly I do not but I still want to write.

No progress? Well hello? Most fantasy books or series treat about 10-100 in-book-years. Not much changed from year 100 to 200 - am I right? Besides - If I was to make a choice between a book with guns and a book with swords... I will always take one with swords. And dragons. Sorry.

After reading mentioned articles I started to wonder. Books that I like have said tropes. Stories I would like to tell have them. So I am actually happy and in peace after seeing your responses and responses from past subjects.

We all know about some tropes that are common to fantasy genres. The chosen one and The Prophecy. Evil overlord of evil evilness and his Empire. McGuffin of Doom. World in Stagnation. Ect. Ect. Some are old. Some are new. We can not really get rid of them, because readers have certain expectations - people want and need Evil Overlords and Dragoning Dragons doing Dragon Stuff and without fantasy tropes, how can a story even call itself a fantasy?

I never liked a trio of "The prophecy", "The Chosen One" and "The Farmboy". I do not hate it but I often roll my eyes when I see all three of them at the back of the book cover. Usually books like this have a boy who dethrones a powerfull villain, and there is a prophecy about it. I Read it in a lot of books. Watched a lot of movies about it. Saw a bunch of anime.

I do not like it because usually we know something from the very beginning - the evil guy will fall and the boy will win. Also - they boy had little to no training, yet still was able to fight against powerfull, evil creatures - because you know - The Goofy Ride of Inexplicable is fueled by the finest Petroleum of Prophecy.
(Buy one today!)

I also grow constantly tired of "Hero Origin Story" or "From Zero to Hero". It is a result of modern day hero-movies. I saw so many spider bites, experiments and gamma blasts that it was refreshing to watch some "Blade" or "Van Helsing" movies, where Heroes are already grown up and kicking ass.

What I just love is "Power Gaming". Some of you propably know this term from RPG sessions that went overboard. You have seriously overpowered characters and fight against crazy powerfull enemies. So later books of Malazan were the definition of this for me, where we constantly had a god vs god vs god situation. When the story puts two characters against each other that I know are crazy strong I am in readers heaven.

So what are your favourite tropes? What are the tropes you hate the most? And are there tropes, that in your opinion are unfairly hated?

I do not know if I understood the question in a right manner.
The hardest characters for me to write about are the ones who are supposed to be SMARTER than I am and who can plot intrigues one after another. For some reason I cannot get into their heads. I can write monsters, dragons, very serious old and melancholic veterans... Yet political drama is waaaaay over my head.  :-X

Cover of the last book lured me to read Malazan. And English cover of "Dark Defiles" of "Land fit for heroes" makes me want to buy them in english version (cover from my country is really really bad).

Fantasy Book & Author Discussion / Re: Fantastic lines from books
« on: December 11, 2018, 07:38:42 PM »
From Gardens of the Moon:

“Tell me, Tool, what dominates your thoughts?'
The Imass shrugged before replying.
'I think of futility, Adjunct.'
'Do all Imass think about futility?'
'No. Few think at all.'
'Why is that?'
The Imass leaned his head to one side and regarded her.
'Because Adjunct, it is futile.”

Writers' Corner / Re: What do you call a group of dragons?
« on: December 05, 2018, 11:21:03 PM »
In medieval times in my country, a unit of cavalery was called a "banner". They would carry around one flag on a long pole to show the sign of their clan etc.

I guess dragons could do something similiar. In example having a long stripe of cloth carried on a back by one of them. So I guess a "sash" or a "ribbon" could work there.

Writers' Corner / Re: Your World Maps. How do you go about it?
« on: December 05, 2018, 07:31:11 PM »
At first I was making lots and lots of maps. They were usefull when I wanted to create relations between countries and were figuring out how I could make a conflicts much more diverse. I still have like a hundred of them hidden somewhere.

Now I keep 2-3 rough drafts with names on it.

I am a lover of maps but it takes too much time to draw a nice one.  :'(

Writers' Corner / Re: Sublime words in writing
« on: December 05, 2018, 07:26:53 PM »
Thank you all for you answers.

Sorry it took my like a week to answer.  :-[

I asked same question in several places and then analised results of answers that I got. And do you know what is interesting? I am a part of two small writing groups of like 10 and 8 people and most of them never even heard of the word desolation and ascendency! And also were much more critical to my idea.

At first I was surprised. How people, that I know that are reading and writing more than me are not familiar to this style... So to speak - people from my writing group are all from the same country as me.

And when I thought about it deeper, my native language is really... Simple. We don't have many extraordinary words or words that describe states and emotions like in english. My language is as plain and simple as a road. I can recall more "sublime" words in english than in my native tongue.  :P

And it is nothing to be proud of.

Writers' Corner / Sublime words in writing
« on: November 22, 2018, 10:10:12 PM »
Hello there! I am here, to ask you some questions about extraordinary words. Speak from your heart. Even the first thing that comes knocking to your mind.

1. What do you think about the use of sublime wording in writing. And by sublime I mean something like "desolation", "exalted", "courteous", "transcendent" and so on.
2. Do you often find them in stories you read? Do you sometimes have problems with understanding them so you have to use dictionary to find out their meaning?
3. What do you think when those extraordinary words are used by:
a) Author - as names of characters, items, techniques
b) Characters - as something that makes them stand out from the others
c) Narrator - to describe something

Done? Now you can see why I asked you all about this.

Spoiler for Hiden:
On a daily basis I am using words that most people think that are sophisticated. It is a part of me by now, and I use them without really knowing, that many people do not know their meaning. And because of that some people think that I am all snooty, but most of them actually like that and say, that it is very characteristic part of my persona.

So here is the thing:

I also use them while writing. So I would like to know if I should start hunting them in my texts and change them into something normal. Or maybe I should make it a defining point of my writing? I would like to hear your opinions because... you know. You are all readers. Most of you are also writers. What do you think about it?

Writers' Corner / Re: What triggers your ideas?
« on: November 19, 2018, 05:08:59 AM »
Thank you. It is good to be back here. Althought I lurked and stalked forums quite often since june.

Writers' Corner / Re: What triggers your ideas?
« on: November 17, 2018, 05:13:39 PM »
We all experienced that. A sudden flow of ideas that disturbs carefully preparated schemas of the stories made earlier. And what we all need or needed to learn was how to filter them - not make them stop. Believe me - if you will try to make them stop, and somehow succeed you will regret it. Really, really hard.

Ideas come to me, but not without my permition. I take an idea, put it into a slow-cooking mode in a furnace that has "Much Thinking" on its signboard and... wait. Usually after a minute, or an hour or a day (sometimes months) the idea is fully baked or fermentated and it just pops into my mind fitting into a general wiev of my story or world like a hand to a glove. Even ideas that were too hard to fit so I abandoned them utterly.

Sometimes I think that I have some other Arhi, trapped in my mind. He does not have much to do, so he just takes ideas, polishes them, and when the time is right, he whispers in my ear: "Hey! Hey! I thught you could make use of THIS. Here. Have it."

I like this other Arhi.

Influential people say that prologues are bad. Yet everyone love prologues. And pretty much everyone and their mothers write them.

Is it not just like an alkohol?

Presonally I like them. For me prologues are... Pretty much a defining piece of fantasy and science fiction. They can create story's climate and atmosphere. Sometimes turning it into atmosFEAR or atmosDISGUST atmosCURIOSITY. And they are needed - especially in our times, when we need to quickly decide what we want to read. A good prologue will make someone buy and read the book. A bad one will send bought book flying through a room and back into the bookshelf.

Some bad stuff happening to The Community lately.
I hope this trend will not continue... Wish you all strength.

Thanks everyone for understandment. I apriciate that.

Darewood, I might have some poems, but mostly in my own language. I am not good enough to try and translate them. But I like to read what you all wrote there.

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