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Re: Cursing in Fantasy
Yeah, I'm quite familiar with the original myths and folk legends.  But I don't refer to the original stories as fairy tales.  Fairy tales are the tame version intended for kids.  The roots of fantasy go way back and are much darker, but fantasy as a literature genre originally took after fairy tales, not the older folk legends.

I'll disagree again. Have you read Tarzan? Or the original Conan stories written by Robert E. Howard? Or H.P. Lovecraft's fantasies? All three predate Tolkien, who most people think used Fairy Stories as a base, which he didn't, he used the Eddas, and the Germanic god cycles.

There aren't a lot of works based on Fairy Stories out there.

Wayne aka The Mad Hatter

January 23, 2011, 05:01:02 AM
Re: Vividness in Description Or, as I've often put it: let the reader paint the picture in their own head. Give them enough to run with, and they will do a good amount of the work for you. ;)


October 22, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
The Origins of Mary Sue! HOLD ON THERE, DENIZENS OF F-F! First, a disclaimer and ground rules. :)

It's not my intent to restart an earlier debate about whether a character in a show or movie is or is not a "Mary Sue". I certainly thought it was an interesting discussion and enjoyed it (including how civil everyone was!) but that's not the reason I wanted to post this link for our writers. It is, however, appropriate to the theme of our Monthly Writing Contest, Fanfiction!

I recently came across THE ACTUAL STAR TREK FANFIC from which we later lifted the term "Mary Sue" ... a story called "A Trekkie's Tale" from a young Star Trek fan named Paula Smith. I've been aware of the origins of the term "Mary Sue" for awhile, and I understand that how we use it has changed over time, but I'd never actually read the fanfic from which it spawned ... until today!

Needless to say, I was delighted to find the original story preserved on a site called Fanlore. It's actually a fairly funny read, and, as much as we may now debate who or who is not a "Mary Sue" and where we should use the term, the fanfic itself feels (to me) like a great example of a young Star Trek fan just geeking out as she imagines herself joining the crew of the Enterprise. There's something touchingly genuine about the idea of a young fan just writing herself into the story because she loves the show.

When I was young, I could seriously have seen myself writing a fanfic like this about me joining the Transformers, or the crew of the Yamato, or becoming a Robotech pilot, or something similar. I'm not sure I would have been quite so amazing as Lt. Mary Sue ... but I also can't say I wouldn't have been. :0

Anyway, you can read the entire fanfic (which is literally five paragraphs) at the following link. Enjoy, and consider yourself privy to one of the classics.


ONE EDIT: I should also point out, for those who don't dig all the way in, that the story was intentionally satirical. But I don't think that takes away from the way it channels a young fan who just wants to be part of the story, which I think is the core of what makes us want to write fanfiction.

February 27, 2016, 02:01:20 AM
Re: What do you think of fantasy lite novels? Still need to read those authors.

The first thing that came to mind regarding you question is probably because in Historical Fiction they would have to specifically follow the historical events, no? Like in Bernard Cornwell's books. He can create characters and his own situations, but results of the main events are set in stone.

Probably Parker and GGK are not "held back" by this and can create totally new paths for their inspired cultures/countries and disregard time/regions/historical events or recreate them as they see fit.

May 12, 2016, 05:02:54 AM
Re: What do you think of fantasy lite novels? Tbh, I don't care why they make those decisions when they write like they do. Whatever they need to tell the story, go for it.

That said, just because there's no magic, doesn't mean there's no fantastical elements - they still have the ability to add those if they wish.

The other big one is the ability to do as Lanko says and change the course of things dramatically.

Not huge things, admittedly. I suspect to a certain point they're called fantasy due to the author's involvement with the genre, not so much the applicability of all of it to their works.

edit: This GGK interview covers very well why he makes those choices - http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/oct/29/guy-gavriel-kay-jrr-tolkien-interview-fionovar-tapesty-the-summer-tree

May 12, 2016, 07:20:06 AM
Re: Join the Self Publishing Discussion! I recently self-published my book Immortal earlier last year. The reason I chose to self-publish was so that I could keep my cover, title, and the story how I wanted it. I know several authors who have gotten their books published through a publishing company and was forced to change these things.

The only downside to self-publishing is self-advertising and promoting.

But I care more about the content and keeping my story, mine. Rather than the amount of money I take in. Although, I won't deny that I wish I could be taking in more money every month from sales. But such is life.

December 08, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
Amazon Keywords and Categories Explained I think some questions have come up from time to time about Amazon categories and how you can influence with keywords. Hope this is helpful and interesting, even though the author wrote a sentence ending in  'of' and I cringed. ::)  I know, that was mean :P
Although  it is over a year old, I suppose it is still applicable.


February 23, 2017, 07:34:17 AM
Re: Are there exceptions for BIOGRAPHY and PARODY? Grasping the writhing coattails. I don't hate or love Sanderson bot I just don't feel like his one of the greatest writers ever living for me.

I've not read Wheel of Time but have I have read some of his other works , his very much hit and miss with me so his not a must buy whenever he brings a new story out. I could happily go through life without reading any more Sanderson,  I've even heard his number one fans say there struggled reading  Elantriss another one I've not read. I've not read enough fantasy authors to say who is the greatest fantasy author ever. I have my list of favourites which other members from here would say what the fuck you like that author for! Variety is awesome.

My ratings of Sanderson Novels

Warbreaker 2/5
Steelheart 2/5
The Emperor's Soul 3/5
Skin Deep 3/5
Final Empire 3/5
Legion 4/5
The Way of the Kings 5/5

April 08, 2017, 04:33:44 AM
Re: Damn You For Getting To That Idea First OK. Very interesting, and here are my two first, off the top of my head ideas when I hear of the concept:

- Sanderson, in Warbreaker, has the concept of biochromatic breath. And while biochroma renders the idea more complex, the idea that we're all born with one breath, and can give it away or receive and stockpile it from others, is pretty interesting, and a cousin of the soul-currency idea. Obviously the more breath you have the richer you are. The constraints were also interesting, and lead me to ask, before getting to my second point, this question : How much soul does one have to give away? Can a billionaire infuse every penny he owns? Or does the already infused 'money' he gets adds to his personal soul? Does that alter people? Can you run out of soul?

second point :

- I can't effing believe this story was from Andy Weir all along, but so does the internet tell me. I first encountered it on 4chan years ago. Best post the whole thing :


I think both are just examples of similar riffs on the general concepts of "soul as currency" and "humanity as one soul" and I don't put them forward so much to give fodder for thoughts but to further my point that you totally should make the idea your own, tinker it a bit and fit it to a story, boom! Without any second thoughts or hesitation.
It's a great concept, go for it.

April 29, 2017, 12:01:19 AM
Re: Is historic fantasy better than speculative? Better? I haven't read the entire thread, so I don't want to be redundant, but that's like asking if apples are better than oranges: to my mind, they're two different things.
April 29, 2017, 09:40:19 PM