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Re: Good freelance editors? I know an excellent one who also owns a small indy publishing company but I may be biased as I'm married to her ;)

Unfortunately, and I do speak from a significant amount of personal experience, when I hear or read the question from self publishing authors "Does anyone know a good freelance editor?" what is usually meant is "Does anyone know a good FREE editor?"

Yes it's a tough world getting your book published but why do most newbie writers seem to think that editors, proof readers, typesetters and cover artists don't like to eat or have a roof over their heads?

I'm not attempting to suggest that the original poster is in any way one of that ilk and I genuinely wish Amy every success in getting her works published, but sadly a great many are and then they get the hump and wonder why no one will take them seriously...

Apologies for the rant... didn't mean to hijack the thread... it's late and I'm a bit tipsy...

September 21, 2014, 10:17:59 PM
Re: Floundering in marketing - a rant @ the "too many declarative sentences" - lol.  Gotta love it when someone has memorized a few "rules" about the dos and don'ts of writing and then tries to sound smart by using your work as a demonstration of their intimate understanding.

There are a lot of people in the same position as you... which probably won't be any comfort since that means you're going to be stuck there that much longer, hidden among them. It's easy to become disillusioned by how fruitless self-promotion feels, and really the only light at the end of the tunnel is the hope that, if your book deserves it (or even, in some cases, if it doesn't), the value of the work you did will increase exponentially as one person you reached tells two others, and they do, etc.

Hang in there, and keep writing.

November 03, 2014, 05:52:25 AM
Re: Good freelance editors?
An excellent listing of editors. Thanks all. I will be in the market for a line-editor in the summer. I saw the post by El Pato Loco about looking for people to work for free. Totally understand your frustration. So I would love to hear from editors and authors as to what they feel is appropriate to charge/pay in the market.

A friend of mine shelled out thousands to an unfortunately incompetent content editor and learned a very costly lesson. I am willing to pay for services, but I would like to know the range.

It is difficult to pinpoint an accurate range, especially because there are different mediums through which editors determine their rates. For instance, some editors charge by the number of hours worked on the manuscript, some charge by the number of pages edited, and some charge by word count. I choose to charge by word count, and for copyediting, a fairly accurate range of prices would be from $.006/word to $.02/word. A content editor may charge a little more than that. The longer a manuscript is, the more an editor will charge for editing, no matter which medium they use to determine rates.

I highly suggest sending a potential editor a sample of your work (maybe around 1000 to 1500 words). When the editor sends the edited sample back to you, you can determine whether or not you agree with the changes they made. This method may help you save money on an editor that isn't a good fit for you.

Best of luck!

February 15, 2015, 10:56:43 PM
Re: Good freelance editors? Many editors actually prefer a potential client to send them a sample to edit. A sample not only helps an author pick an editor to work with but also helps an editor determine what level of editing would be most appropriate for that particular author's work. It never hurts to ask.

I'm assuming you mean 80,000 words, as 80,000 pages would be worth more than $2,000! Yes, I agree $2,000 is rather high, and higher price doesn't always mean better quality. I recommend looking for a few editors that are more suitable for your price range.

February 22, 2015, 02:54:16 AM
Selling books in person I just came across this article, which I found both well-written and detailed. For anyone who has a book in hand and is looking for ways to sell, here is a guide to one aspect of self-marketing. I've archived it for the day when I do this for my own book.


February 26, 2015, 03:48:14 PM
Re: Am I Sexist?: Males reading female authored fantasy I too found the book hard to get into--there's a lot of info thrown at you and you have to get used to very different worlds with a lot of different cultures, which is a big change from the rather comfy (European) history based fantasy that is a lot of what's out there and doesn't require a lot of brain-stretching.

I think a point that needs to be made regarding complaints that the book is overtly 'preachy' or political, is that writing the status quo is in itself a political act.  So all those writers portraying a world that is either strongly representative of current societal norms or some supposedly-historical social situation are (perhaps unconsciously) supporting a system that many people find problematic.  Yes, some present it in order to examine it, subvert it, etc, but others try to pretend it's 'just the way things are'.  Just saying we shouldn't present that as a sort of 'neutral' position.

March 14, 2015, 06:10:58 PM
Re: Am I Sexist?: Males reading female authored fantasy Ah, damn, here we go...

I really don't think it's sexist to dislike a book on those grounds because the author is female. If you dislike rape and eternal gloom, you um, sound like quite a nice chap really.  But, as many others have pointed out, part of what the book is doing is making a political statement that these things are uncomfortable, that the world, especial the female part of it, can be a thoroughly painful and uncomfortable place and we should realise that and try to confront it. Reading a nice safe book where those kind of questions aren't raised is arguably more sexist, to be extreme about it - it's a failure to confront the world as it is, a reluctance to engage with the reality of a lot of people's lives.

Most of my favourite female fantasy authors do engage with issues around male violence towards women to an extent - Le Guin in The Tombs of Atuan and Tehanu, Elizabeth Moon in Sheepherder's Daughter - and the overly violent, stylised world of fantasy allows for this in a way genres like chick lit just don't. Female crime fiction, too, is heavily preoccupied with these issues. And there are fairly obvious reasons for that in both cases. The fact that it's fiction allows us to ask these questions in a safer way, and play with possibilities and outcomes. 

Personally, I found The Kingkiller Chronicle, and especially The Slow Regard of Silent Things, far more problematic and uncomfortable to read as a feminist than a lot of 'rape and ultraviolence' grimdark novels. The character of Auri, in particular, I find profoundly voyeuristic - here's this damaged, clearly mentally ill young woman, and we're supposed to find her, what, kookie and appealing and romantic. The descriptions of her in Silent Things are clearly highly sexualised and objectified, yet somehow we're asked to assume it's fine to read lengthy descriptions of her naked because she's a child of nature. Not because she a vulnerable hotty in a very short dress, oh no. 

All writing cannot help but be political - writing interpolates the world, so it cannot not be ideologically charged. And all writing will on some level be about gender politics, because we're all trying to navigate gender identity and interpolate that too. And then the reader interpolates that interpolation, with their own ideological framework and gender identity.....

But no, disliking a book and its author being female doesn't make you sexist.

March 25, 2015, 08:55:40 PM
Re: Favorite books that tackle social issues? Daniel Polansky's latest, Those Above, is profoundly Gramscian in its analysis of class hegemony and why people don't actually tend to resist authority, even authority hostile to them. There's social and class commentary in all his work, but Those Above really stands out for me. It's also damn good, of course, beautifully written and a good story.

Le Guin's Tehanu, the last Earthsea novel, is really profoundly good on gender politics and notions of gender identity and power. The character of Tenar and the way she is a part of, but also distanced from, the society she lives in is beautifully drawn and very moving. Again, it's also just an absolutely superb book.

And some historians have seriously argued that ASoIaF better captures the experience of the peasantry in pre-modern conflict societies than any actual social history.

April 01, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
Re: Books that have fallen out of favor with the crowds
Game of Thrones -- brilliant, but starting to drag in the middle (as massive epics seem to do) -- in part because he was forced to split a book in two because of the constraints of hard-copy publishing -- but mostly because the slow writing pace is leaving us all hanging.  This may also suffer from the "theories-were-half-the-fun" problem when it's completed.

I don't really buy the constraints of hard-copy publishing argument with ASOIAF.  I would have believed that if Winds would have come out within a year of Feast as promised but really the issue has some down to an influx of bloat that Martin wasn't able to control.

September 21, 2015, 07:53:18 PM
Re: Books that have fallen out of favor with the crowds
More sci-fi than fantasy, but Orson Scott Card has taken a hit for his political views. I don't know why it should matter what his political leanings are, but some are boycotting his books and movies because of it.
In his case it matters because he uses his income to campaign against gay rights and the like. I have no problems reading something written by someone whose views I disagree with, but giving money to someone who actively campaigns about things like that is crossing the line for me. And that's coming from someone who really enjoyed OSC's work.

September 21, 2015, 09:14:29 PM