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Re: Does Anyone Still Say Android? I'm with the folks who think the OS has tainted it a bit :/

I'd see about making something up if I were you.

There are a few words already floating about, but you did say non derogatory which makes it trickier.

Replicant, cyborg, augment, etc might work as your character isn't known as an AI or just a modded human by other characters? It all depends on your world I think.

They're just off the top of my head, there are dozens of names that exist if you look into them.

May 27, 2019, 09:40:17 PM
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Re: Evil or Morally Ambigous? I'd suggest vengeance themes. Taking justice into our own hands is ethically wrong, but I don't know many people who wouldn't rather deal with it their own way were they capable.
July 07, 2019, 04:55:53 PM
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Re: LGBT Fantasy? Too much text to reply to there, so cliffnotes:

The first point on societal pressure I agree with completely. It makes sense that people will feel slighted if they aren't represented and perhaps even bury that aspect of themselves for fear of being abnormal. That sucks, as people should never have to hide who they are. This correlates well with fantasy books, where even if there are LGBT characters they may not ever be 'seen'. I've never written any queer characters myself, but I've also rarely written straight ones, I mostly keep the love stories out of it altogether.

As for the Kinsey research, it's rife with bias. Right from the get go you need people who are willing to talk about their sexual preferences and participate in studies and that tends to be the more 'open' folks, even Freud still has supporters and detractors, and any form of psychology at the end of the day is guess work based on the experiences of the researchers and subjects. There are other situations where sexuality does seem to agree with it though, take prison populations where men will engage in far more homosexual acts than they would had they access to women, so perhaps Kinsey was onto something... people like to get off.

At the same time, I find the numbers given as percentages to feel inflated in the extreme. There are just as many studies that cite the numbers as around 3-6% for men, and 1-4% for women, with higher percentages found in urban areas and lower in rural ones.

Dealing with historical evidence is always tricky, you'll find several sources for very few named 'cases'. Often the celebrities of the day. I can't even want to argue the point as I do agree with it though I will say that even you point out that the missionaries (aka Christianity) condemned homosexuality and a lot of fantasy books are set in a world very similar to Christian Europe. It's actually a very interesting subject though one I mostly study regarding ethical perceptions over the ebb and flow of slavery and political tides. In that way, everything about being human is up for debate, we can accept or reject almost anything almost entirely based on the constructed norms of the day.

Yes, absolutely. I'm an intensely private person in that people in my office thought I might be gay until they found out I had a girlfriend (after working there for years), almost entirely because I held myself very reserved and didn't hit on women left and right. My role does tend to be a hub for gossip though, mainly because we talk to bloody everyone, so while my estimate is going to be off, it's not going to be off to the 10-20% that gets thrown around.

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I'm glad you find that amusing, but note you yourself say later that you've read almost entirely books advertised as that. There have been books I've read that feature LGBT or minority MCs that have been good (these were not marketed as such). I have read excerpts (test chapters available before paying etc) on books marketed as LGBT (on books where the premise sounded something I'd like), and these seem to come out as bad. Not because of the LGBT, but because the writing sucked (and these with largely good reviews). It feels (from my limited experience in the genre of course), that if a book is well written, it doesn't have to attach the label at all. As you may have guessed, labels in general piss me off. I find they only lead to an us VS them mentality.

That said, they will lose money from the conservative demographic by being openly LGBT. I don't get it myself as I skip over romance in books regardless of the coupling, it just bores me. Nonetheless, a lot of people don't like it so it does make sense that publishers will avoid them.

If anything, the best way to promote the acceptance you seem to want is to buy books that feature queer characters that AREN'T marketed as such. That gives those books a bump in sales and can attract more buyers, who will then read them, and maybe change their perspective a little. Corralling them all under the queer banner doesn't achieve any change. If that makes sense. I'd like there to be change, but you have to accept that stigmas are hard to beat, and often only done so through integration, not segregation.


July 09, 2019, 07:53:34 AM
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Re: Interesting article for writers on main site I really like Aaron's writing and I see where she's coming from. For me though, I can't plan. Once I know where the story is going I really struggle to get the words out. Been stuck on final chapter of novella for weeks since it's all plotted...
July 22, 2019, 09:13:07 PM
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Re: Looking for critique partners in England! I'm a fair bit too northern.
July 26, 2019, 07:27:31 AM
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world I don't know what the deleted post was about and frankly, don't really mind what was said.

As you say we are entitled to our beliefs but for the life of me I can't imagine what beliefs you think I was defending myself. I literally have no opinions on the 'right or wrong' of however anyone lives their lives unless it hurts people I care about (because I just don't care enough to have one). I was mostly playing devils advocate and gave examples of why certain studies were wrong and backed it up with first hand experience from a fairly open minded place.

When I spoke of the 'agenda', I thought I made it clear that I was talking about what people may perceive. It was not MY argument, but I have heard it said about every minority at one time or another including LGBT (mostly against Jewish people in nutty conspiracy theories though).

I was also pointing out that a lot of people don't want to read about it at all, some for homophobic reasons, but mostly because we like to see ourselves in the characters we read about (hence your push for more inclusion). I cited several examples of when I feel it's been accomplished well where it added to the story, so I apologise if I came across at all homophobic in this, as it's not the case.

What I am opposed to is sticking ANYTHING into a book just to appease ANYONE. The writer is free to write the book they want to write, as the reader is free to read what they want. The publisher sees things in terms of numbers, PROFIT. If they thought they would make money from representing more LGBT they would do so (this led to the creation of the LGBT genre - as an untapped market created because the mainstream audience for fantasy don't particularly want to have it in their reads). There's that paraphrased quote from somewhere "The only colour that matters is green".

@J.R. Darewood I recognise that in making counterpoints to specific statements I've painted myself into the radical corner and if that made you upset in any way I'm sorry. I would like to make it clear again though, that I genuinely don't care enough to have any hate in me. I was not, nor am I attempting to be hateful.

What I do believe in is the truth of the world and was merely trying to make people understand that there are reasons for under-representation to exist and to essentially demand a crusade is perhaps more wrong than the people who just don't like seeing it. It is true that campaigners have had positive effects on the world of minorities before, but I'd like to point out that most examples are American where there is still a stupid amount of hate crime, while I live in a multicultural area (white, black (many directly immigrated), asian (middle eastern), and eastern Europeans) where we didn't have that and yet are much more tolerant as it occurred more naturally without being forced. You demand something, you force people to take a side, and that prejudice can last generations.

I have no interest in seeing you duck out of the forum though, there are no hard feelings on my part here.

July 29, 2019, 03:30:01 AM
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world Hah. The man certainly acts the buffoon but that's been his gimmick for years. He did a good job as mayor of London. Plus he won a contest with an amusing limerick about the Turkish president...

    There was a young fellow from Ankara

    Who was a terrific wankerer

    Till he sowed his wild oats

    With the help of a goat

    But he didn’t even stop to thankera.
 

August 01, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
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Re: Disney princess as warriors @Elfy I knew what you were getting at about halfway through that first sentence. Was all woooo, he's going to talk about my favourite Disney film of my childhood :)

Also, so many of them have awesome animal sidekicks.

August 23, 2019, 08:28:21 PM
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Re: Shrug of the Author The author has the right to take ages if they want, real life can get in the way For example I wish the Tales of the Kin was going to be finished but I understand the author can't go back to that world as it is tied so closely to major depression.

I personally don't understand peoples need for long running series, I read a quite a lot of urban fantasy and a lot of these just drag to the point where I lose all interest. Robin Hobb and Richard Kadrey have both done brilliantly having self contained arcs within a much longer running series and I love that approach.

The main objection I have to waiting, which doesn't happen a lot as I have learnt lessons and don't buy until they're finished (in the case of trilogies etc) is when the author appears to give up on it.

Books are not like movies, trilogies especially are envisioned as a beginning, middle, and end. To say that an author is entitled to just piss around and not finish it just because they feel like it is wrong. When they published they agreed to finish it, and just because it can be considered an art, does not mean it is not a job.

Imagine if you turned to your boss and said "I know I've signed a contract with your company, but I've done two-thirds of this paper and decided that I can't be bothered to finish it... yes yes, I know I promised it... I know I told you i was on the final edits, yes yes, I know I'm years overdue but I'm an ARTIST damn it, I don't have to answer to you."

You would be fired AND could be held in breach of contract. Even more so if you then added "but it's okay, have you seen this card game I've kickstarted? I'm going to show it off at one of the conventions I'm going to in work hours..."

October 24, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
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