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Re: Want my heroes to fight (but they won't let me!) I did not say have the characters act out of character.

I said change the characters so it is in character.

There's a big difference between the two.

April 16, 2016, 12:07:40 AM
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Re: Want my heroes to fight (but they won't let me!) Sometimes changing the characters is simple and very rewarding. Sometimes it is a gigantic pain in the posterior that involves a giant rewrite.

Sometimes it happens. Like cupiscent, I plan my characters heavily, and I still find out plenty of new things about them when I write the story. Often I find their character changing without prodding. Sometimes I find out they don't suit the story I had in mind and they don't suit the other characters and that writing a story to suit them will make a weak story. At which point, out come the brain surgery tools (assuming I don't just erase them completely). It's a tool in the box, I see no reason not to use it when needed. Anyone who finds no use for it, fair enough, but it is there and it sounded like the OP might need to consider it.

And I certainly disagree about characters driving plots being the only way to do it - I've read a great many great stories where that's clearly not happening. Happy to agree to disagree on that.


Back to the OP -

TBM, if it's taken you this long to think of a reason for them to fight, then be sure to foreshadow it properly, as it's unlikely to occur to the reader either.

One good piece of advice I heard was that if you're running short of story fodder, look first at what you've got that can be expanded on before inventing new things. Hopefully that might help with any remaining content holes.

April 16, 2016, 03:12:42 AM
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Re: LGBT+ characters in fantasy Mercedes Lackey has a metric crap ton of homosexual characters and, if not actual weddings, then homosexual characters in mystical lifebondings. Although there might be some, I'm not sure.

I very deliberately used homosexual as I can't recall much if any trans- characters. LGB is a lot better represented than T.

April 17, 2016, 07:17:28 AM
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Re: The King's Paws Ice? *shakes head disapprovingly*

Second worst thing about leaving the US is leaving behind my new whiskey collection. It managed to get up to seven bottles somehow. On the plus side, got plenty of booze to return to next time.

April 18, 2016, 12:55:14 AM
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Re: FFBB: Favourite Main Protagonist - R32 - Granny Weatherwax vs Fiddler
My only abstention. Haven't read either, and the quotes just didn't give me one way to vote vs. t'other.

Is it considered good form to post up other quotes to try and sway people? (Obviously too late for you).

Incidentally, Granny Weatherwax is one of my very, very favourite characters in anything.

April 19, 2016, 05:25:00 AM
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Re: What's the point of romance in fantasy?

People want to point out realism. But I addressed the realism point. Motivation - Often that clashes with the realism argument. The idea of people risking life and limb for romantic love. That doesn't happen in real life. In real life when the bullets start flying, self preservation trumps love driven self sacrifice. Because at the end of the day, you're dead and he or she will find someone else. I argue that seen through the eyes of todays audiences, the hero who risks everything for love in a fantasy is seen as a whipped idiot as opposed to a heroic representation of virtue. In an ego driven selfie culture, we ridicule those who put themselves at risk in that way, because love has been analyzed, and deconstructed to the point where it's mystique and lofty veil has been stripped.

People do risk (and sometimes lose) their life for romantic love. Google "Man dies protecting wife" or "Man dies protecting girlfriend".

Fans do want to see it. Box office record breaking movie Deadpool would be but the most recent example.

You see the world differently and fair enough. But please recognise the huge amount of people who do not see things that way.

April 19, 2016, 08:54:12 PM
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Re: What's the point of romance in fantasy? I'm not being funny, but do you want to actually hear the arguments about why romance still has a point, or do you want to rant about how it's dead?

Because if you want to do the former you'll have to start considering the argument from other people's point of view, rather than dismissing all arguments because they don't fit your point of view, and if it's the latter, what's the point?

April 19, 2016, 11:11:05 PM
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Re: What's the point of romance in fantasy?
I am not joining this love-fest, but it's so tame I'm throwing this into the ring  :P

I think most of us could pick a lot of holes in how fantasy the majority of modern writing, whilst good in other respects, deals with romance, because it's not done to a high standard by and large.

Hah! Why stop at writing? Hollywood's no great shakes at it either.

April 21, 2016, 01:57:20 AM
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Re: How does the writer impact the story? Yes and no.

On the one hand, I like stories where the author has something to say.

On the other, I don't like being preached at.

And that leaves a very narrow space between the two where I'm going "Ah hell yeah". Tightrope narrow. I suppose the space gets wider when I agree with the message, but even so. I think the key is "Does the message only sink in once I'm already hooked by the story?" If the answer is yes, then things are good. If the answer is no, I'm being preached at.

I think with most authors, knowing their history will make their books a little more interesting. There's a hint of the autobiographical about most authors. And yes, I like it too. A few more examples:

Tolkien's Catholicism, experiences of World War One and dislike of industralisation really mark Lord of the Rings.

David Gemmell's books are very marked by his childhood experiences of being shy in a rough area and having an old school step-father who made him stand up for himself.

The Wheel of Time is influenced by Robert Jordan's deployment to Vietnam iirc (and the Two Rivers by his own home).

And Terry Pratchett's anger at the world seeps through Discworld like the smell of Nobby Nobbs getting slowly closer.

April 22, 2016, 01:14:38 AM
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Re: How much did you write today? Finally hit my words per day minimum of 1,500 for the first time in forever yesterday :D
April 22, 2016, 01:17:31 AM
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