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Re: How does the writer impact the story?
How do you misinterprete fiction? Disagreeing with the author that his hero isn't a cool guy and didn't do the right thing is just a disagreement. But that does't mean that you're interpreting it wrong?

If we're talking about your interpretation of the work then you can't misinterpret. You own your thoughts.

If we're talking about the author's interpretation of the work and your disagreement causes you to say the author's interpretation is wrong then you've misinterpreted the work. The author owns his thoughts.

It's all about perspective.  You own your interpretation, the author owns his, I own mine. As long as it stays that way everyone is happy. The problems come when I try to assign my interpretation to the author (or to you). ;)

April 24, 2016, 06:54:40 PM
Re: How does the writer impact the story?
And all this discussion just shows me how much of a reader's response critic I am. Everyone interprets things due to their own life experiences, thoughts, feelings, and current mood. That includes the writers as well as their readers, and even the high and mighty literary critics. There is no single truth to anything. There are too many people out there for everyone to agree with one thing.

The world is divided into those who think they are right.

April 24, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Re: Chapters At 11k, I'd ask myself if there is too much of an info dump, back story, or world building you're trying to do in the first chapter.

The first chapter or prologue should connect to your target audience as fast as possible via a connection to the character(s), action, setting, event, or whatever your target audience likes. Look at your work as a reader would and see if you're delivering what they want.

If you're certain you've written something that will connect to readers enough that they want to keep reading to find out more then don't worry about the length. Use as many words as needed... no more, no less.

April 27, 2016, 11:51:35 PM
Re: Omniscient vs third person limited: which should I choose?
Head hopping is not a result of writing omniscient. It's a result of bad writing.

Correct, but head hopping happens more often in omniscient because the author is looking at the scene from outside and is tempted to show what everyone is doing, thinking, and feeling in a linear time line.

April 29, 2016, 07:00:30 PM
Re: Omniscient vs third person limited: which should I choose?
I'd suggest "head hopping" happens most commonly in badly managed third limited with multiple POV characters.

I wouldn't argue if you said it's a matter of semantics.

Omniscient is as easy to write as third limited, if you have a clue. The styles vary greatly. Mostly, contemporary third omniscient (outside of humor) tends to be toward the objective end of the objective-subjective spectrum, and tends to go inside the head of few characters, when it does.

I think "badly managed" is the operative phrase we can all agree on. You hit on what I was implying. When writing third omniscient the author is tempted to go to the subjective end (or inside the head) of every character. Then they add a linear timeline that creates the head hopping.

With third limited it's easier to break up the timeline via POVs and scene/chapter breaks. It doesn't make a lot of sense for an omniscient narrator to show a scene out of time just to get another perspective so it can lead to head hopping.

What it really comes down to is picking the style that best fits what you're trying to accomplish. For example, a story that focuses mostly on scenes and action (objective) is well suited to third omniscient. A story that focuses on what different people think about the same situation is better suited to multiple POVs in third limited.

So back to the OP's original question, think about your story and how it's best told. Do you care more about the scenes, action, and what the characters do? Or would your story benefit from first person limited to delve deep into one character's experience. Or does multiple POVs in third limited give the story a well rounded feel by going beyond how the characters act into how several people think and feel? I could go on with the scope of the story, location(s) of the story, factions, etc., but I'll leave that to the OP to research. ;)

May 01, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
The day I feel inferior in the realm of literature to someone writing memoirs and travel articles, is the day they bury me.

so, you're saying her traditionally published books aren't making you jealous?

This book is ranked 7.5M in the amazon book store. Her other travel book is above 2M. Wow. Looks like millions of indie authors outsell her.

December 31, 2016, 07:16:13 PM
Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
my intellectual issue is with her throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  my emotional issue with the piece is that i've rarely seen anyone so desperate for validation.

I had the exact same response to the article. She's looking for validation and it must be from the right people. Unfortunately, she doesn't think readers are the right people.

sure, there's a LOT of dreck out there.  just like there's a lot of terrible games in the app store.  just like there's a lot of terrible videos on youtube.  just like there's a lot of terrible music on cd.  just like there's a lot of terrible paintings hanging on walls.  anything where the barrier to entry is so low, is going to have a ton of crap. A TON.

but there's a lot of brilliance out there, too.

Exactly. There is a lot of crap out there. Even in traditionally published books. I read an article recently which had the premise that 90% of all art produced was crap. I'm sure it's the same with books. That's why people look to friends, forums (like this one), review sites, etc. as "gatekeepers" to find the gems among the dross. Her mistake is the naive belief that traditional publishers are the only valid gatekeepers.

January 01, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word Here's a pretty funny take down of the article by Larry Corriea.

My favorite quote from the article:
Only idiots and zealots get caught up on the method of delivery rather than the product being delivered.


January 01, 2017, 09:23:56 PM
Re: Self-Publishing: An Insult to the Written Word
Although I am enjoying the mild irony of someone attacking self-publishing on the Huffington rather than going to a traditional paper...

I wonder if she realizes that HuffPo is a self-publishing journalist news site... and that real journalists everywhere are probably outraged that she's replacing them.

January 02, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Re: Editors - any advice?
At this early stage, it looks like a moderately mediocre idea. Not terrible, but not the salve I'd hoped for.
Thanks for sharing Anna - I've the opposite issue - I need to make more darlings...

Just curious, what advice is your editor giving you? Is she saying to add more POVs, or more info in scenes, or what?

January 07, 2017, 07:33:42 PM