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Offline CameronJohnston

Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2015, 09:17:34 AM »
Yes, it absolutely counts as published if posted in the contest forum.
If it's posted in a place accessible by the *public*, then it counts. If it's posted on a password protected/restricted writers group forum or something similar then it doesn't.

Which is not to say there isn't some degree of flexibility on this stance, depending on circumstances, but that's up to individual editors. Essentially, if you are not sure if it counts, just submit your story and be honest with them: say it's previously been posted in a writing contest on Fantasy Faction and let them decide.

If you lie/omit to mention and they find your story elsewhere, well, you've burned bridges with that market and all their editors. And probably others.

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Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2015, 01:57:15 PM »
But when does it become relevant to tell them that? Once they show interest, or in your letter? Because in that case, might as well never submit stories written for FF. Unless you spewed a real gold nugget, there seem like littke enough chance that most pro markets will bother negotiating, no?
I don't know, I think it's better for it to be out of the way.

Glad that my wendigo story is only in password protected areas. Then again, I'm not expecting a publication, but am rather distraught that the only submission I'll ever do to tor.com came from 6 months old writer me.   :-[
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Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2015, 02:22:39 PM »
hrm.  all this makes me want to go @tebakutis on the situation and set up my 'writer platform' site.

might as well since the stories are already out there.  at the very least, it'd be a tidy spot to browse through all of them.  especially since i'm a "Writing Contest Regular!!!" these days and have a half dozen or so worth putting up for a start.



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Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2015, 03:04:47 PM »
hrm.  all this makes me want to go @tebakutis on the situation and set up my 'writer platform' site.

might as well since the stories are already out there.  at the very least, it'd be a tidy spot to browse through all of them.  especially since i'm a "Writing Contest Regular!!!" these days and have a half dozen or so worth putting up for a start.


We started one of our own a few months ago, but then we realised just how much editing and rewriting the stories need...  :-\
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Offline CameronJohnston

Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2015, 09:05:33 AM »
But when does it become relevant to tell them that? Once they show interest, or in your letter? Because in that case, might as well never submit stories written for FF. Unless you spewed a real gold nugget, there seem like littke enough chance that most pro markets will bother negotiating, no?
I don't know, I think it's better for it to be out of the way.

It's relevant to disclose it right at the start. To do otherwise wastes their time, and yours. Doesn't matter if they like the story at first, they will still drop it and you like spoiled goods if they find out something you haven't disclosed. There are lots of annoying gits in the writing world, and it never pays to be lumped in with them.

Your best option IMO is to add a line like: 'The story has previously been posted as part of a Monthly Writing Contest on the fantasy-faction.com forum.'
It's honest and professional, avoids using the word 'published' (but lets them decide that), and leaves it open for them to query/investigate that detail further (or not) if they liked your story.

I've never posted a story on FF for exactly this reason.

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Offline JRTroughton

Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2015, 09:28:05 AM »
I might fire off a story just before the deadline. I've never submitted to Tor due to the lengthy wait times, but it would be a shame not to have been rejected by them at least once.

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Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2015, 09:39:57 AM »
Can't see why it would prevent you to jump in the contest! If you love your short story, then refrain to post it and submit it instead. If you don't plan on submitting it anywhere, why not enter it?
I don't think I ever wrote any short story of a publishable level.

As for disclosing that it appeared here... That sounds like we'd get turned down instantly. Many webzine specify intently that try want absolute first rights, so it can't even be on your website or your Facebook...
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Offline CameronJohnston

Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2015, 10:27:43 AM »
In general I won't be writing short stories and not submitting them to markets, so yeah, can't really post them on here.

I think with Tor you'd be clear out of luck, but other markets (semi-professional pay rates perhaps) may view a writing contest forum post as more of...gray area. Maybe.

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Offline jefGoelz

Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2015, 07:10:47 AM »
I would endeavor to avoid the situation, but if I had posted a story on a site that counts as published, and wanted to submit it to a magazine, I'd immediately delete my entry (and any comments I may have made regarding it) and in my cover letter, I'd include a statement something like: A previous version of this story was workshopped in a contest on the Fantasy Faction website. 
That is slightly misleading, but I doubt they'd check up on it.

But, the contest pages really need to be made restricted access.


Offline m3mnoch

Re: Tor permanent close to short fiction
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2015, 05:22:08 AM »
hrm.  all this makes me want to go @tebakutis on the situation and set up my 'writer platform' site.

might as well since the stories are already out there.  at the very least, it'd be a tidy spot to browse through all of them.  especially since i'm a "Writing Contest Regular!!!" these days and have a half dozen or so worth putting up for a start.


We started one of our own a few months ago, but then we realised just how much editing and rewriting the stories need...  :-\

oh.  heh.  lookie there:  http://www.topherchapman.com