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Fantasy Faction Writers => Monthly Writing Contest => Topic started by: eclipse on March 17, 2015, 05:44:59 PM

Title: Voting
Post by: eclipse on March 17, 2015, 05:44:59 PM
I was just wondering when people vote do you seem to vote for the same person each month or do you try to vote for someone different each month

Also I never voted on the Monthly Writing Contest maybe I should  :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on March 17, 2015, 05:54:56 PM
Hi, Eclipse.

First, I'd love to see 25+ folks voting for the monthly contest. Sometimes it's frustrating knowing that it's mostly us submittors doing the voting.  Vote! Please!  ;D  (And thank you @ScarletBea (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32020) and others for voting even if you don;t submit.)

As for myself, I vote purely based on the merit of the story. The nice thing is that when there are a lot of submissions, we get multiple votes to cast.  Ten or more stories? Three votes. This means that many of the writers usually get a couple of votes, even they don't "win."
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Yeah please do vote!

I also just vote based on the story itself. That's what it's for, right? :D
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: eclipse on March 17, 2015, 06:33:09 PM
I've just read all the Rogue stories  (seven atm) :), There were all very good and I've already got a favourite one
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on March 17, 2015, 06:42:18 PM
I've just read all the Rogue stories  (seven atm) :), There were all very good and I've already got a favourite one
How much does it cost to be your favorite?   ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 07:00:00 PM
I've just read all the Rogue stories  (seven atm) :) , There were all very good and I've already got a favourite one
Pssst. Let me know what @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) bids for your vote, I'll double it.  ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: eclipse on March 17, 2015, 07:21:16 PM
He did offer me a plate of spam....I think he needs to work at his bribery  :) and I really could do without that being doubled....

Maybe you could both fix the Jukebox in the The King's Paws  :)

http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/general-discussion/the-tavern/550/

Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on March 17, 2015, 08:22:17 PM
I've just read all the Rogue stories  (seven atm) :) , There were all very good and I've already got a favourite one
Pssst. Let me know what @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) bids for your vote, I'll double it.  ;) ;) :D
Double the spam may be a dis-incentive  ;D
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 08:24:33 PM
I've just read all the Rogue stories  (seven atm) :) , There were all very good and I've already got a favourite one
Pssst. Let me know what @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) bids for your vote, I'll double it.  ;) ;) :D
Double the spam may be a dis-incentive  ;D
I'll replace it with some tasty vegan food such as those posted here (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/introductions/hi-7589/msg95888/#msg95888) of course  ;)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: xiagan on March 17, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
You know what the problem with contests like this is?

I want this contest to be more popular with more people writing more stories.

But what will happen?
Even stories with "only" 1500 words need time to read. If we have 20 contestants I will be hard pressed to find anybody not involved who will be dedicated enough to read them all.

Of course, they're free stories and you may stumble upon a budding bestseller author, being one day able to claim to have read him/her before s/he got published - but still. ;) It's a lot to read with no reward besides the joy the stories have to offer. Something I don't want to belittle but I can understand when people with big TBRs don't think it's enough.

So kudos to everybody who votes. I truly appreciate the time and effort you put into it. :)

And if you have an idea for how to overcome the dilemma, please tell me. I know that lowering the word count to 1000 will make most of you hate me. ;)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 17, 2015, 08:52:46 PM
Stop the corruption people!!!

Or can I buy votes even if I haven't posted my story for the Rogues contest?  :P

But seriously, my votes go to the stories I like the most.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on March 17, 2015, 09:10:16 PM
I know that lowering the word count to 1000 will make most of you hate me. ;)
Yes.  >:(

And no, no idea. But we love you and love the contest!

As far as corruption goes, @ArcaneArtsVelho (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40090), I don't see any going on here  ;) ;D
five cases of spam, and that's my final offer for votes
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 17, 2015, 09:54:03 PM
I think it's good as it is, while it'd be awesome to get more people voting it's already a load of fun and a hugely useful exercise to take part in. No need to change it really. Except, of course, stamp out the rampant corruption (nobody can compete with Jmacyk's bribes  :'( )!
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Arry on March 17, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
I was just wondering when people vote do you seem to vote for the same person each month or do you try to vote for someone different each month

When I used to participate, it would vary who I voted for. It really just came down to the set of stories each month.

I think it's good as it is, while it'd be awesome to get more people voting it's already a load of fun and a hugely useful exercise to take part in.

This is how I saw it. I actually miss participating and hope one day I will get my act (and nerve) together to submit again. And what I have found is that when I don't have the time to write a story, I find it even harder to read all the stories, and I won't vote unless I do. I might have time to read a few, but not all :( There are some people that manage to find the time, but Xi is write, each 1500 word entry adds up to a chunk of time to commit to reading them.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Doctor_Chill on March 17, 2015, 10:24:51 PM
As most have repeated, I vote on the story and nothing more. Some people have good months; some have bad, which is to be expected. I can usually find time to squeeze in a short here and there between breaks at work or class, and I usually never not vote unless I find the topic not to my taste, such as Fanfic a few months back or Sci Fi because I was booked with exams. (There's an irony in there somewhere.)

As for the people calling corruption, well, I don't wanna hear much more of it lest I have to beat your kneecaps in. :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Nora on March 17, 2015, 11:01:37 PM
Mmmh. If people want to vote yet make things go fast there are ways of course.
Might sound a bit heretical but it suffices to crank your judgement way high and skim the stories:
As soon as the style displeases you, the story fails to hook you or whatever, put the story aside.
Read through only the ones that genuinely works in all aspects, the ones you really want to read till the end, and note those.
Harsh criticism will help put the number of 1500 words shorts you have to read trough... Even if it'll let some on the side. One can always come back to discarded stories later.
If you have too many catching stories to read till the end I guess you're screwed, you're just on a too good forum :p
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Elfy on March 18, 2015, 12:08:08 AM
I like to enter and I like to vote. I try to read all the stories each month and vote accordingly. I vote on merit. I don't really take into account who wrote the story. If I like the story, it was well written and it fitted the brief, then I'll vote for it, irrespective of who wrote it. I, like @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), would like to see more people reading and voting, and maybe even entering. It can be a definite challenge fitting the concept into 1500 words and it can only improve your writing skills to try it, also being forced to move outside your comfort zone in terms of concept is another good thing about it.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: ScarletBea on March 19, 2015, 05:46:26 PM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\
Yeah I agree with that. Since the stories are so short it shouldn't take too long to make sure everything's correct, especially since you can edit the post right until the deadline.  :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on March 19, 2015, 06:35:45 PM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\
Yeah I agree with that. Since the stories are so short it shouldn't take too long to make sure everything's correct, especially since you can edit the post right until the deadline.  :)
Cr*p. I'd better fix some things soon  :P
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 19, 2015, 07:30:37 PM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\
Yeah I agree with that. Since the stories are so short it shouldn't take too long to make sure everything's correct, especially since you can edit the post right until the deadline.  :)
Cr*p. I'd better fix some things soon  :P
Don't worry, you've got almost two weeks  ;D
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: eclipse on March 20, 2015, 05:16:54 PM
I just realised I can vote for last month competition, off to do some reading  :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: ScarletBea on March 20, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Yes, we always have a full month to read through the previous month's stories and then vote :)
And Jmacy, correct at length (if needed - I can't say I noticed bad ones in your stories), I never read anything before the month has been frozen, hehe
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on March 20, 2015, 05:30:26 PM
I just realised I can vote for last month competition, off to do some reading  :)
Hope you enjoy them! (Particularly the one called "Choices") (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Hedin on April 04, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\

You mean I can't lick myself anymore?
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on April 04, 2015, 03:30:53 AM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\

You mean I can't lick myself anymore?
This is a very open and accepting community.
You can lick yourself.
But we won't ask; don't you tell  ;)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Elfy on April 04, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
I don't let anything other than my personal feelings about the story influence my vote. If someone I happen to know writes a great story that ticks my boxes then I'll vote for it, but if someone I have no knowledge of writes a great story then I'll vote for them. One way to get over that, and I don't how much work this would take, is to make the stories blind. That way you have no idea who wrote what, and you have to vote on what you think is the best story, rather than being influenced by knowledge of the author.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Lady Ty on April 04, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Just voted with comment in discussion thread, and I haven't voted regularly but will try to do so from now on because it's great and I love short stories.  I always vote on the merit of the story so it's purely a personal preference for style, content, characters etc. More than twenty in one month would be hard, but  perhaps requests for extension of voting closing date could be allowed if necessary.

 
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: ScarletBea on April 12, 2015, 06:47:55 PM
I'm currently reading through the March Rogues submissions, and at the moment what's bugging me are the 'likes'.
We have the vote results hidden throughout the month, so that people voting don't know what the current status is, yet now with the 'likes' I can see stories with 1, or 3, or 6 likes, and even if I try to ignore it, I can't help but notice that in my brain :-\
I'd prefer if people didn't use 'like' for the submissions... is it possible?
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on April 12, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
I'm currently reading through the March Rogues submissions, and at the moment what's bugging me are the 'likes'.
We have the vote results hidden throughout the month, so that people voting don't know what the current status is, yet now with the 'likes' I can see stories with 1, or 3, or 6 likes, and even if I try to ignore it, I can't help but notice that in my brain :-\
I'd prefer if people didn't use 'like' for the submissions... is it possible?
I was noticing that too. We do need to fix that. Either refrain in good spirit, or have them turned off via forum mechanics. @Arry (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8809), @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), possible?
Title: Voting
Post by: xiagan on April 12, 2015, 07:31:09 PM
I used to give karma for story submissions and just switched to likes. I haven't read them yet.

Having/not having likes is a board thing and default is off. So new monthly contests don't have them anyway unless activated. (The discussion topics are included of course.)

It is a problem to have a "like-voting", I can see that. But submitting something and not getting likes for it is a shame too... Meh.

Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Elfy on April 12, 2015, 11:56:18 PM
I'm currently reading through the March Rogues submissions, and at the moment what's bugging me are the 'likes'.
We have the vote results hidden throughout the month, so that people voting don't know what the current status is, yet now with the 'likes' I can see stories with 1, or 3, or 6 likes, and even if I try to ignore it, I can't help but notice that in my brain :-\
I'd prefer if people didn't use 'like' for the submissions... is it possible?
It does kind of grate on me, too, but it doesn't necessarily tally up. Just because a story gets 3 likes doesn't mean it will get 3 votes, it may get more or even less.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Lady Ty on April 13, 2015, 01:50:08 AM
I've been putting in like almost every time  because I enjoy them, but doesn't reflect in any way how I vote. There is big difference to enjoying a story and choosing some above others for the writing, plot, characters and relevance to given theme.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Nora on April 13, 2015, 04:04:06 AM
Yeah, same as @Lady Ty I liked the stories I voted for, but I liked others that didn't make it to my cut. However there are stories that I didn't catch on at all... I guess it's the disparity that is the real problem. Maybe the stories with the least likes/votes in the end are the one who should get the most and more detailed reviews of what didn't work for people, and what did? I don't know really. I don't really care, I'd wish reviews whether or not my story has good votes. I'm expecting little love of my upcoming April story already haha
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Saraband on April 13, 2015, 09:32:38 AM
I'll say this, for all that's worth (prob not much): I really hate spelling and grammar errors. So unless the plot/idea is top notch, stories with errors go straight down in my scale :-\

This is my greatest fear when it comes to writing. I try to be very careful, but as you all know by now English is not my first language, so I'm well aware that an occasional grammar mistake may creep in unnoticed (by me). I understand that it gives the impression of carelessness, I feel the same when I see it in others, but I guess there's nothing I can do besides continuing to write and hoping my grammar keeps improving.

As for the number of voters, I understand Xi's dilemma. If we had more people voting, it would also feel more gratifying for the winner - but it is a great commitment to ask someone to read more than a dozen short-stories, by people they don't really know. I always vote for the ones I like the best, but I understand people who don't have the time to do so. I prefer that they don't vote, rather than voting randomly just for the sake of voting  :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on May 02, 2015, 07:41:58 AM
Another question on voting: since we each get several votes but don't have to give them all out, is it considered bad form to vote for fewer than the maximum? I don't think this has been the case for me yet (though I didn't even realise that we could tick fewer than the maximum), but for example if there were one or two stories that you felt were brilliant, then several that were decent but not quite at the same level, would you vote for only those two or would you add two more from the ones you didn't like as much?

Personally I think that it'd be a good idea to just vote for the two that you thought stood out, since it makes vites more valuable, and it is a better reflection of what you thought of the relative quality of the stories.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: xiagan on May 02, 2015, 08:37:00 AM
This has been the case most of the time.

voters x allowed number of votes =/= given votes in total

I think it depends on personal preference and that's okay
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: eclipse on May 02, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
I didn't use all my vote on the rogues or best of the 2014 contest. I think I only use two votes for the best of 2014 contest as two really stood out for me  :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: ScarletBea on May 02, 2015, 09:42:49 AM
Usually there are some stories I find 'outstanding', and they're less than the number of votes allowed. However, I do then go on to vote for the 'second best' as well,  because I think it's important for the writers.
If I felt strongly about certain stories I would send a private message to the writer, but for me it's important to use all my votes.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on May 05, 2015, 02:37:06 AM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) how much control do you have over the graphs that show after the voting?

I take it the percentages shown are out of the total even when people can vote for multiple entries. It'd be more useful to have the percentage (and the bar) based on the number of people who voted, so for example Rukaio's story was voted for by 10/24 people so in a way it got 42% of the votes. The graph on the Rogues one looks a bit weird since it says that even the winner only got 12% of the votes...  :P

Wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible to change that kind of thing, just thought I'd mention it! :)
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: JMack on May 05, 2015, 02:43:13 AM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) how much control do you have over the graphs that show after the voting?

I take it the percentages shown are out of the total even when people can vote for multiple entries. It'd be more useful to have the percentage (and the bar) based on the number of people who voted, so for example Rukaio's story was voted for by 10/24 people so in a way it got 42% of the votes. The graph on the Rogues one looks a bit weird since it says that even the winner only got 12% of the votes...  :P

Wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible to change that kind of thing, just thought I'd mention it! :)
I definitely looked at it your way. I thought, wow! Ten votes out of 24. Not too shaky!
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: xiagan on May 05, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) how much control do you have over the graphs that show after the voting?
None at all.  :-\
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Raptori on May 05, 2015, 07:28:39 PM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) how much control do you have over the graphs that show after the voting?
None at all.  :-\
Ahh well, never mind - I'm sure we can manage the maths ourselves!  :P