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Title: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on June 28, 2015, 05:34:14 PM
We talked a lot about it in different threads and I think everybody who cares and/or is involved knows the different positions.

I left out the "I don't care" option intentionally since it's not productive in this case.

The poll runs for a fortnight and I won't change anything back if the result is a close one.

You can use this thread to convince others of your opinion and to discuss it.

Have fun. :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on June 28, 2015, 05:35:28 PM
I prefer you bring back the smite system  ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on June 28, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
I prefer you bring back the smite system  ;)
Ditto, but that's not an option here. ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on June 28, 2015, 05:39:41 PM
I prefer you bring back the smite system  ;)
Ditto, but that's not an option here. ;)

Smites Xiagan, gains 5 karma points  ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on June 28, 2015, 05:45:42 PM
*Smug face* I'm a little concerned that being able to see the poll results and then still having the ability to change your vote, might sway the voting. */end smug face*


Sorry... don't mind me. I tend to agree with the no crowd, but I like being a smart ass.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on June 28, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
My opinion:

I voted 'no' because whether I like it or not (unintended pun hehe), seeing how many likes there are in a story gives some sort of expectation (high or low), before I read it.
The fact that the stories are all compressed inside the spoiler tags makes it hard to miss; if they were only at the end I wouldn't mind, because I would only see them after reading the story.

I'm a little concerned that being able to see the poll results and then still having the ability to change your vote, might sway the voting.
Oh Justan, we're not voting for that! The votes will always be secret, it's the little 'like' button at the end of normal posts that some people want to use.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on June 28, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
I'm a little concerned that being able to see the poll results and then still having the ability to change your vote, might sway the voting.
Oh Justan, we're not voting for that! The votes will always be secret, it's the little 'like' button at the end of normal posts that some people want to use.

I'm referring to this specific poll haha. I was attempting to extend the 'like' button argument to the fact we can see the poll results, then change our vote. As I said, don't mind me. Just making ineffectual jokes over here.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on June 28, 2015, 05:52:03 PM
Oh oops sorry for the confusion :-[
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on June 28, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Oh oops sorry for the confusion :-[

No worries. I'm sure I'm not as amusing as I think I am.  ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 28, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
I'm not really bothered either way, but I voted yes. For me there are no real downsides, and it was nice to see people appreciating the stories that way too.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on June 28, 2015, 06:04:11 PM
Obviously, I'm voting yes. For me, it's a good way to keep interested in the contest even during the deader periods in the month where there aren't any new entries being added or there isn't much of a discussion going on in the discussion thread. In addition, I think likes measure a very different kind of popularity than votes do, since there's no limit on how many you can give, so you just end up giving them to ones you like, even if you wouldn't necessarily vote for them.

Also, I need my precious precious likes. Theys calls to me... the precious... *cough* GOHLLUM! GOHLLUM! *cough*

Sorry, chesty cough. Where was I?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on June 28, 2015, 06:07:41 PM
*Smug face* I'm a little concerned that being able to see the poll results and then still having the ability to change your vote, might sway the voting. */end smug face*


Sorry... don't mind me. I tend to agree with the no crowd, but I like being a smart ass.
That was intentional.
If people are discussing it, there should be the option to change your view point and your vote. :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on June 28, 2015, 06:10:46 PM
I've decided I like fun more than I worry about influencing the vote.   ;D
I voted Yes
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on June 29, 2015, 02:08:07 AM
I just posted my own argument about my own rogue-month story in the voting thread of the fairytales.

End of the day, I was one of the most liked story, but in the lest voted half of the submissions.
In my opinion that kind of thing happens when people like a story alright, "woo, i liked that *like* but hum, not very on topic" and at the end of the day, other stories are better/more on topic, and the votes go somewhere else.

We're all rational adults suffering very little influence, all behind our computer, with all the time we need to make up our mind. Personally I remember an April story that got me wondering what people were up to, because I didn't like it, and it got lots of like. I find that interesting, being able to see what "many" think, opposed to my own taste and judgement, as the month go, rather than at the very end.

Also for the argument that some stories get little likes and it's harsh/sad, I don't see the point. A bad or poorly written piece is not going to get pity votes either, so it's going to be just as sad at the end of the month for the writter, but we have a critique thread, a critique forum and a helping community. We're here to help each other out improve, so what if one of us gets moppy because they didn't seduce the crowds? Learn from it and work to get better next time.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Elfy on June 29, 2015, 03:14:14 AM
I voted no, but then again I still would prefer that the submissions remain anonymous.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on June 29, 2015, 06:24:39 AM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on June 29, 2015, 07:28:10 AM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.

How does that matter? Is likes number relevant in any way? Does anyone check where others got their likes?  :o

Does a high like ratio make your IRL any better? I hadn't ever considered that, I only look at likes in conversations, as "this post is very popular" never to try and guess who's friendly by the amount of likes they got. In total I've been here for more or less 4 months and my 2 submissions under likes systems brought me 11 or 12 likes... on 241. Is it really this relevant?
If you're motivated by more likes, then is it not a motivation to write in the context? Or to do more criticizing, since critics often get heaps of likes?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on June 29, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I only look at likes in conversations, as "this post is very popular" never to try and guess who's friendly by the amount of likes they got.

I am sure some people see the total number of likes they receive as an indication of how well liked they are around here. This is always the problem with systems like this.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 29, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
One month of data to see if the number of Likes correlates with the amount of votes (but remember boys and girls, correlations is not causation!). Someone better versed in graph reading can break this chart down if you like.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18LxHnWoJBQHPDCIOIew7uVXfxTeirixLKDIyU9F0A0g/edit?usp=sharing

While I don't think this is any hard, reliable data (we would need more than one month's data) it does answer a few questions. Might make me change my vote from no, just to see how other months might play out.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on June 29, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
Not sure if it helps or not, but that month I voted but didn't click 'like' in any story.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 29, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
Not sure if it helps or not, but that month I voted but didn't click 'like' in any story.

And I liked every single story.... As I said, we would definitely need another month or three to really see if there is a correlation.

EDIT: Plot Twist month used likes! Off to gather more data!
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 02:52:50 PM
Not sure if it helps or not, but that month I voted but didn't click 'like' in any story.

And I liked every single story.... As I said, we would definitely need another month or three to really see if there is a correlation.

EDIT: Plot Twist month used likes! Off to gather more data!
Beat you to it.  (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rLj3UEdN3lSuotSy7eC1xUZAuzZL2DJfVJYto2oW2Bo/edit?usp=sharing)(http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 29, 2015, 02:55:48 PM
Okay, graph is fixed. I edited the second month's Likes number down by 1 because while I Liked them all, I did not vote.

In face of this, I'm changing my vote to yes, so we can see how a few more months might play out.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on June 29, 2015, 03:02:04 PM
Loving the graphs... we need Minitab and  6Sigma statistical tools :D
(I'm in a meeting, can't do it)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on June 29, 2015, 03:07:55 PM
I "like" that my name is in dark blue at the top of the list. Just saying.  8)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on June 29, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
Not sure if it helps or not, but that month I voted but didn't click 'like' in any story.

And I liked every single story.... As I said, we would definitely need another month or three to really see if there is a correlation.

EDIT: Plot Twist month used likes! Off to gather more data!
Beat you to it.  (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rLj3UEdN3lSuotSy7eC1xUZAuzZL2DJfVJYto2oW2Bo/edit?usp=sharing)(http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) your document is "unavailable"  :o
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 29, 2015, 03:18:21 PM
Not sure if it helps or not, but that month I voted but didn't click 'like' in any story.

And I liked every single story.... As I said, we would definitely need another month or three to really see if there is a correlation.

EDIT: Plot Twist month used likes! Off to gather more data!
Beat you to it.  (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rLj3UEdN3lSuotSy7eC1xUZAuzZL2DJfVJYto2oW2Bo/edit?usp=sharing)(http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) your document is "unavailable"  :o

Story of his life.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
Not sure if it helps or not, but that month I voted but didn't click 'like' in any story.

And I liked every single story.... As I said, we would definitely need another month or three to really see if there is a correlation.

EDIT: Plot Twist month used likes! Off to gather more data!
Beat you to it.  (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rLj3UEdN3lSuotSy7eC1xUZAuzZL2DJfVJYto2oW2Bo/edit?usp=sharing)(http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
@Raptori (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=38840) your document is "unavailable"  :o
Booo. I shall try to fix it.  >:(
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 03:41:07 PM
Does this work? (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pq0MKyu3N9_Nb5U4G9RAnrksMf8zWGmtVkTMsO4JP7E/) Not that it matters now that Chill has done his...  :P
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on June 29, 2015, 04:02:51 PM
Does this work? (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pq0MKyu3N9_Nb5U4G9RAnrksMf8zWGmtVkTMsO4JP7E/) Not that it matters now that Chill has done his...  :P
It works, but my name is no longer at the top in dark blue.  :P  :(  ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 04:15:44 PM
Does this work? (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pq0MKyu3N9_Nb5U4G9RAnrksMf8zWGmtVkTMsO4JP7E/) Not that it matters now that Chill has done his...  :P
It works, but my name is no longer at the top in dark blue.  :P :( ;)
(http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on June 29, 2015, 06:32:30 PM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I don't think that's a problem. Look at the RPG - I guess that participants there gather hundreds of likes more than writing contestants. ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I don't think that's a problem. Look at the RPG - I guess that participants there gather hundreds of likes more than writing contestants. ;)
Yeah, good point. I vote that we shut down the likes on the RPG, and that posts in the RPG also shouldn't count towards a user's post count. I shall start a campaign!  :D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on June 29, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I don't think that's a problem. Look at the RPG - I guess that participants there gather hundreds of likes more than writing contestants. ;)
Yeah, good point. I vote that we shut down the likes on the RPG, and that posts in the RPG also shouldn't count towards a user's post count. I shall start a campaign!  :D
Technically, both is possible and easily done. ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on June 29, 2015, 06:41:40 PM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I don't think that's a problem. Look at the RPG - I guess that participants there gather hundreds of likes more than writing contestants. ;)
Yeah, good point. I vote that we shut down the likes on the RPG, and that posts in the RPG also shouldn't count towards a user's post count. I shall start a campaign!  :D

You need to go further and get rid of titles and post counts  :)   ;) J/K
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 06:56:06 PM
Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I don't think that's a problem. Look at the RPG - I guess that participants there gather hundreds of likes more than writing contestants. ;)
Yeah, good point. I vote that we shut down the likes on the RPG, and that posts in the RPG also shouldn't count towards a user's post count. I shall start a campaign!  :D
Technically, both is possible and easily done. ;)
Haha I wonder how well that'd go down!  ;D

Concerned is that if you bring back likes is that writers will get triple likes over non writers here. Example two people who join at the same time and both are equally friendly with equal interesting  posts yet because ones a writer gets way more vote because He or she posted a story.
I don't think that's a problem. Look at the RPG - I guess that participants there gather hundreds of likes more than writing contestants. ;)
Yeah, good point. I vote that we shut down the likes on the RPG, and that posts in the RPG also shouldn't count towards a user's post count. I shall start a campaign!  :D

You need to go further and get rid of titles and post counts  :)   ;) J/K
I guess we could just strip out everything except for the usernames?  :o
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on June 29, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
Yes, let's have utterly no fun in the name of not injuring anyone's feelings or allowing people (like me  8)) to overestimate their popularity.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on June 29, 2015, 07:03:33 PM
Yes, let's have utterly no fun in the name of not injuring anyone's feelings or allowing people (like me  8)) to overestimate their popularity.  ;) ;D

Well Raptori said nothing about Avatars yet....  ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 07:14:53 PM
Yes, let's have utterly no fun in the name of not injuring anyone's feelings or allowing people (like me  8) ) to overestimate their popularity.  ;) ;D

Well Raptori said nothing about Avatars yet....  ;D
But...but... (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/sad/crying.gif)
(http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5000;type=avatar)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on June 29, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
I guess we could just strip out everything except for the usernames?  :o

You guys have entirely too much fun with user names. I am looking for a system to replace custom usernames with generated random character sequences.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on June 29, 2015, 08:05:19 PM
Can we get a unix based interface for the forums?

(http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/Images/linpac-main.png)

 ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on June 29, 2015, 08:22:47 PM
Can we get a unix based interface for the forums?

(http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/Images/linpac-main.png)

 ;D
Sounds awesome, who needs a GUI?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on June 29, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
pffftt... you are trying to spoil them @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148)! Look at all those colors! It should just be black background with green text. All posts will need to be created in vi, not vim or emacs or anything fancy. Just straight up vi.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on June 29, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
*blank look about above*

But it looks a bit like my ZX Spectrum (yep, no colours): I remember doing some simple programming in Basic in it in 1986 ;D - I so loved the whole logic and sequencial flows of it all
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on June 29, 2015, 08:57:23 PM
What a bunch of coddling.
Punch cards, folks. Punch cards.
Then you have to schedule your run at the computer center.
And woe betide if you made any mistakes.
You'll get the cards back with no explanation except DNR (did not run to completion).

And this is Fortran anyway.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 29, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
I'm gonna slink back into the 21st Century okay?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Lady Ty on June 30, 2015, 12:02:37 AM
You are all solid gold and I do hope to get back soon, this thread was so funny, I miss your company, but health keeping me a bit immobile, so on phone again @xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) must protest this lefty radical activist thinking here, methinks, the forum should be handwritten and conducted through the post. Likes are fun and do not aff3ct my votes at all, but it makes up for hard culling for voting. I would have given at least 10 likes in Fairytales. So have voted yes.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Hedin on July 01, 2015, 06:18:52 PM
Is there a way to like a story but keep the like hidden from view until after the voting is done?  That way people can get recognition for their stories whether or not they receive a vote (especially since the last few votes are usually pretty tough) but then we would avoid any possible influence on the actual vote?  My guess that this couldn't be done but figured it wouldn't hurt to throw the idea out there.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on July 02, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
Is there a way to like a story but keep the like hidden from view until after the voting is done?  That way people can get recognition for their stories whether or not they receive a vote (especially since the last few votes are usually pretty tough) but then we would avoid any possible influence on the actual vote?  My guess that this couldn't be done but figured it wouldn't hurt to throw the idea out there.

Just not sure I see the point? I would still visit a forum with no likes and not a shread of activity in sight... One good thing with likes is that we could precisely see who enjoyed what, but in the end, besides the enjoyment of a story, people also vote on how it fits the theme, or how much better others were, ect (as, in my opinion, people are not truly influenced by likes).
If we want "after the votes are revealed compensation" we can get it in the critique thread, by getting our story reviewed, no?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on July 02, 2015, 01:48:16 PM
I abstain from voting.

I haven't given any Likes to the contest submissions, mostly because I read them when I'm about to vote and thus am more concerned about voting than liking, or something like that. I kind of dislike the Likes in the contest, just because some stories/people get so many of them and others barely any. (Okay, okay. I like Likes but hate that I don't get as many of them as some others. There, I said it.  ;) )

But seriously, I don't really mind if the Likes are in the submission threads or not, so I'm not going to vote.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: D_Bates on July 02, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
I'm torn. I see both sides equally. I can completely understand why likes could in some way influence voting, but that's no different than being allowed to vote multiple times.

I'm pretty certain the multiple votes is intended to allow all stories to get some recognition, and it's worked really well so far, but at the same time, in my eyes this is no less of an issue tainting the voting system than likes do:
eg:
- People withholding votes which may prevent a story that resonated with an overall majority from winning because they want to push the one they personally think was better than the rest.
- Or on the reverse, a story that was good enough to earn the majorities second to fourth vote steamrolling to a massive victory despite nobody considering it to be their favourite.

The point is, how seriously do we really take the votes that likes should be removed for fear that they may sway it? Especially since everyone is voting by the rules they themselves believe to be the fairest way to do so rather than a set of criteria laid out in the competition.

Besides, when it comes to likes I tend to not drop them onto those that have lots and instead push them onto less liked articles that I personally thought were really well done. There are people who enter every week and have yet to pull in more than 2-3 votes who I've thoroughly enjoyed every single thing they've written and am glad they took the time to write it.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 02, 2015, 08:48:01 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on July 02, 2015, 08:57:13 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\
Nope, voters are supposed to vote too. :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on July 02, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\
Nope, voters are supposed to vote too. :)
And Bea, maybe some day you could try your hand at writing in the contest too. One can only hope.  :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on July 02, 2015, 09:05:15 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\

People love when readers come and read/vote the stories! Definitely don't feel unwelcome to participate even if you don't submit stories. I think more people don't do it just because it can be a bit of a time investment to read all the stories, so those that submit are more vested in doing that.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on July 02, 2015, 09:28:43 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\

Everyone whose invested time into reading the stories deserve a vote and I think writers love it when readers read their stories. Hugs Bea just because I feel you need one x
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 02, 2015, 09:43:50 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\
I think you've got just as much right to vote as anyone who writes - reading all the stories each month takes a lot of time and effort, so even if you don't write you're still a hugely valuable part of the contest and your opinion is just as important as everyone else's.  :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: D_Bates on July 02, 2015, 09:48:10 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\

At the end of the day this vote right here is for those who vote on the stories. And there are writers who don't want the likes no less than readers, and I completely understand why.

Going back to what Bea mentioned earlier, it seems to me that the problem is more that knowing how many likes a story has is negatively influencing first time reads rather than votes. Aka, if I read a story that has 8 likes, even if I don't personally like it I'm inclined to look for the positive because so many others do so it must be good, right? Or else, when I read a story I know has only one to two likes I'm left looking for the reason why it wasn't so popular. Which in and of itself is nonsense, because a lot of likes can be thrown about from people just showing support for their friends and those they know well.

This could be easily fixed by leaving the story out the spoiler tags, but that does mean we'll end up with some super page of text, so is it not possible to limit the number of posts per page on this part of the forum to 3-5 rather than 15?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 02, 2015, 09:55:36 PM
I'm sorry.
I suppose only writers should vote.
If it's close, I can always remove or change my vote :-\

At the end of the day this vote right here is for those who vote on the stories. And there are writers who don't want the likes no less than readers, and I completely understand why.

Going back to what Bea mentioned earlier, it seems to me that the problem is more that knowing how many likes a story has is influencing first time reads rather than votes. Aka, if I read a story that has 8 likes, even if I don't personally like it I'm inclined to look for the positive because so many others do so it must be good, right? Or else, when I read a story I know has only one to two likes I'm left looking for the reason why it wasn't so popular. Which in and of itself is nonsense, because a lot of likes can be thrown about from people just showing support for their friends and those they know well.

This could be easily fixed by leaving the story out the spoiler tags, but that does mean we'll end up with some super page of text, so is it not possible to limit the number of posts per page on this part of the forum to 3-5 rather than 15?
The problem with limiting the posts per page is that (assuming this forum works like the ones I've managed) that setting would be carried over onto the other threads within the subforum, which would make discussions and critiques a lot more difficult.

One way around it would be to have a separate "submissions" subforum which only has one thread each month (the submissions thread) which then gets moved to the monthly subforum after voting has been completed... sounds like a lot more work for xiagan though.  :-\
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: D_Bates on July 02, 2015, 10:02:48 PM
Could you not just have a standalone submissions forum where all the submission threads are consolidated, and then create a post with a link to the submissions post for that month in the monthly contest subforum? That way somebody looking for a quick read (or a masochist!) could access all the submission threads at the click of a mouse without needing to go into each subforum to do so.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on July 02, 2015, 10:08:51 PM
This could be easily fixed by leaving the story out the spoiler tags, but that does mean we'll end up with some super page of text, so is it not possible to limit the number of posts per page on this part of the forum to 3-5 rather than 15?

Maybe I am missing something, but I'm not sure how leaving it out of the spoiler tags would make a difference in this case. The number of likes is still visible and just as likely to be seen before reading. Having been around since before the writing contest used the spoiler tags, I have to say I love that submissions are handled that way now. Many members use the 'View Recent Posts' feature from the first page, and it made it too easy to miss posts when they were in the middle of long writing contest entries.

I'm not trying to discourage discussion here, just wanted to point out that I see real benefit to the forum overall in using the spoiler tags. And that in this case I am not sure I see how it would impact a users recognition of likes on the post.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 02, 2015, 10:09:31 PM
Could you not just have a standalone submissions forum where all the submission threads are consolidated, and then create a post with a link to the submissions post for that month in the monthly contest subforum? That way somebody looking for a quick read (or a masochist!) could access all the submission threads at the click of a mouse without needing to go into each subforum to do so.
Yeah I guess that'd be possible too, pretty much what I suggested but without moving the submissions thread at the end right?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 02, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
This could be easily fixed by leaving the story out the spoiler tags, but that does mean we'll end up with some super page of text, so is it not possible to limit the number of posts per page on this part of the forum to 3-5 rather than 15?

Maybe I am missing something, but I'm not sure how leaving it out of the spoiler tags would make a difference in this case. The number of likes is still visible and just as likely to be seen before reading. Having been around since before the writing contest used the spoiler tags, I have to say I love that submissions are handled that way now. Many members use the 'View Recent Posts' feature from the first page, and it made it too easy to miss posts when they were in the middle of long writing contest entries.

I'm not trying to discourage discussion here, just wanted to point out that I see real benefit to the forum overall in using the spoiler tags. And that in this case I am not sure I see how it would impact a users recognition of likes on the post.
The like thing is at the bottom of the post, so you wouldn't see the number until you've read the whole thing. If the submission threads were in their own subforum maybe they could be hidden from the recent posts page...?

Seems like we're getting further and further from any simple solutions though.  :-\
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 02, 2015, 10:26:31 PM
Thanks all :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: D_Bates on July 02, 2015, 10:32:07 PM
Maybe I am missing something, but I'm not sure how leaving it out of the spoiler tags would make a difference in this case. The number of likes is still visible and just as likely to be seen before reading. Having been around since before the writing contest used the spoiler tags, I have to say I love that submissions are handled that way now. Many members use the 'View Recent Posts' feature from the first page, and it made it too easy to miss posts when they were in the middle of long writing contest entries.

As Raptori said, for most entries the story is so long that you can't see the likes at the bottom until you get there. Obviously you can still scroll down and look anyway, but for those who don't want to see them before they've read they don't have to when it's not glaring at them in red bracketed writing just beneath where they have to expand the spoiler bar.

This is just a suggestion though to try and appease both sides. I won't pretend I know anything about forum structure and didn't even know of the view recent posts feature. I guess one advantage of submissions all being kept in the same forum is that you could cater the forum rules specifically to those types of posts. Heck, I don't know, could you even change the styles of that section so that the text comes out easier to read?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on July 02, 2015, 10:33:48 PM
Just off the top of my head, but I've had a thought for a potential solution. How about, once the submission period is over, in the voting thread, we have a master post (or posts if there are a lot of entries) with every single entry reposted on it in spoiler tags, like so.

Jmack's Story Title by Jmack
Jmack's story

Elfy's Story Title by Elfy
Elfy's story

Raptori (and Saurus)'s Story Title by Raptori (and Saurus)
Raptori (and Saurus)'s story

That way, people like Bea will have a way to read all the entries without being led astray by the likes (since it'll be impossible to tell which likes are for which stories.) Certainly, that may be a touch more work for xiagan, but even if he doesn't want to do it, I'm certainly one of us would volunteer to set up something. Heck, I'd be willing to do it.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: D_Bates on July 02, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
I considered something like that as well, though I was more thinking that the author posted something in the discussion thread for people to like instead.

Copying and pasting every story into one huge thread at the end of every month would be a huge task for anyone to undertake though.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 02, 2015, 10:41:01 PM
Just off the top of my head, but I've had a thought for a potential solution. How about, once the submission period is over, in the voting thread, we have a master post (or posts if there are a lot of entries) with every single entry reposted on it in spoiler tags, like so.

Jmack's Story Title by Jmack
Jmack's story

Elfy's Story Title by Elfy
Elfy's story

Raptori (and Saurus)'s Story Title by Raptori (and Saurus)
Raptori (and Saurus)'s story

That way, people like Bea will have a way to read all the entries without being led astray by the likes (since it'll be impossible to tell which likes are for which stories.) Certainly, that may be a touch more work for xiagan, but even if he doesn't want to do it, I'm certainly one of us would volunteer to set up something. Heck, I'd be willing to do it.
With that we could even try out the anonymous submissions idea, which I think at least @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) was in favour of. Could be worth considering I guess! What's the character limit - isn't it 20k characters? Wonder how many stories would fit per post that way... though I suppose if someone is copying them all anyway it wouldn't be much more effort to spread them across multiple posts.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on July 02, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148), do not listen to these rocket scientists.  ;)  We need to keep named submissions, especially if we don't have likes.

No on the other hand, I'd keep Likes and drop names. That might actually be pretty cool.

But, really? Let's just keep things as they are.
Though the mad scientists do seem to be having a lot of fun.   ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on July 11, 2015, 11:06:17 AM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on July 11, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on July 11, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D

I will give you 77 of Jmack's.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on July 11, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D

I will give you 77 of Jmack's.

Perhaps, but I'm going to need some assurances.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on July 11, 2015, 06:42:57 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D

I will give you 77 of Jmack's.

Perhaps, but I'm going to need some assurances.

If you need a court order, I can help you with that. But don't make me bring out the blackmail folder.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on July 11, 2015, 06:47:57 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D

I will give you 77 of Jmack's.

Perhaps, but I'm going to need some assurances.

If you need a court order, I can help you with that. But don't make me bring out the blackmail folder.

*Ahem* I'm still sitting at 125 likes over here... Clearly you're not seeing how this phishing scam works.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 11, 2015, 06:51:11 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D

I will give you 77 of Jmack's.

Perhaps, but I'm going to need some assurances.

If you need a court order, I can help you with that. But don't make me bring out the blackmail folder.

*Ahem* I'm still sitting at 125 likes over here... Clearly you're not seeing how this phishing scam works.

So this is how people get high like counts. Who knew?!  :o
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 11, 2015, 06:55:28 PM
So this is how people get high like counts. Who knew?!  :o
This...
Or writing good things ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on July 11, 2015, 06:57:02 PM
So this is how people get high like counts. Who knew?!  :o
This...
Or writing good things ;)

And do all that work? Not me, thanks.  :P
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on July 11, 2015, 07:41:12 PM
Come on people! We need two more votes for Yes!

Or one no vote to switch sides...

How many likes are you willing to pay?  ;D
If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have any money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you switch your vote now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will unlike you.

Or, you know, I'll give you like 30 likes. Will that do?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 11, 2015, 07:42:18 PM
Did someone turn off likes or is it just me?  ???
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on July 11, 2015, 07:43:46 PM
Did someone turn off likes or is it just me?  ???
They seem to be gone gone.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on July 11, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
Did someone turn off likes or is it just me?  ???
They seem to be gone gone.

Hmmm, I still see them. Let me look, maybe the Writing Group needs to be added to the permissions for it (and is overwriting your old access)_.

EDIT: OK, you should see them again now, if not let me know.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on July 18, 2015, 04:13:13 PM
We see them fine, but we also see that the people whose paws we greased still haven't changed their vote.

What a depressing world. The US politics really upped the bar when it comes to the amount of lobbyists needed to turn a voter...
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on July 18, 2015, 04:20:23 PM
We see them fine, but we also see that the people whose paws we greased still haven't changed their vote.

What a depressing world. The US politics really upped the bar when it comes to the amount of lobbyists needed to turn a voter...

If I could find my old account I used to rig polls on here, I would try and help. Alas, we have British politics on this forum.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 18, 2015, 06:55:15 PM
I said earlier that I could change my vote from no to yes, but there are now too many other no votes so I don't want to disappoint them ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 18, 2015, 08:22:15 PM
@Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290), could you perhaps do us a favour and vote yes? (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 18, 2015, 08:25:27 PM
@Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290), could you perhaps do us a favour and vote yes? (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
But even if she does, it's a tie.
Who decides, in the end? Xia?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 18, 2015, 08:32:53 PM
@Saurus (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40290), could you perhaps do us a favour and vote yes? (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-angel-006.gif)
But even if she does, it's a tie.
Who decides, in the end? Xia?
I swear I remember him saying that if it's a tie he'll put it back in, but I cannot find it anywhere...  :o
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 18, 2015, 08:42:15 PM
Yep, I think I remember that too, but I've been reading the most likely threads and can't find it either.
 :o

Edit: actually, found it. He said ™I won't change anything back if the result is a close one" - so I guess Saurus' vote won't matter.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Doctor_Chill on July 18, 2015, 08:52:19 PM
Which would then prompt you to change your's and we try it out again. ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on July 18, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
Yep, I think I remember that too, but I've been reading the most likely threads and can't find it either.
 :o

Edit: actually, found it. He said ™I won't change anything back if the result is a close one" - so I guess Saurus' vote won't matter.
Aww boo... :(
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on July 19, 2015, 03:38:06 AM
We see them fine, but we also see that the people whose paws we greased still haven't changed their vote.

What a depressing world. The US politics really upped the bar when it comes to the amount of lobbyists needed to turn a voter...

Alas, I'll gladly lie about selling my vote in order to gain likes, but actually selling my vote is outside my morals.  ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on July 19, 2015, 08:09:32 AM
Which would then prompt you to change yours and we try it out again. ;D
Even if I change my vote we'd still be 'close', so he wouldn't bring back the likes. Since I do prefer without, I'll stay put ;D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on August 06, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
Just a thought: Is it possible to turn on the Likes after the voting is finished? It wouldn't really solve anything but I thought I'd ask.  :-\
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Lady Ty on August 06, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
Just a thought: Is it possible to turn on the Likes after the voting is finished? It wouldn't really solve anything but I thought I'd ask.  :-\

I don't think it works that way, but I really miss them too  :'(
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on August 06, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Thing is, that's something only Arry and Overlord can do. So I would have to ask them all the time...
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on August 06, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Such a close vote, it's really frustrating.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on August 06, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
The Yes seem to be more vocal... I'm ok with changing my vote from No to Yes, but what about the other No?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Henry Dale on August 06, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
The Yes seem to be more vocal... I'm ok with changing my vote from No to Yes, but what about the other No?

You mean me?
I actually forgot why i had voted no...there was some good reason but I can't remember ^^'  *shrugs*
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on August 06, 2015, 04:32:43 PM
I meant the other 10 hehe

(oh I know, I meant to write 'the other Nos' but then it looked weird so I deleted the s, and then it looked like there was just one extra person voting No hehe)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Hedin on August 06, 2015, 05:59:12 PM
The Yes seem to be more vocal... I'm ok with changing my vote from No to Yes, but what about the other No?

Before I was anti-like because I thought it could sway people, however I'm starting to come around.  For one, it may not have as big of an impact as I thought it might have and two, having written something I can see where the other writers would appreciate some likes on their works.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on December 04, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
Soooo..... let's vote again! It was very close last time and I think the atmosphere has changed.

Poll runs for seven days. You see the result after you voted and you can change your vote.

Please read this thread again if you want to know the pros and cons. :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Henry Dale on December 04, 2015, 02:50:41 PM
I don't care option please  :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: m3mnoch on December 04, 2015, 02:59:20 PM
I don't care option please  :)


indeed.  i would totally love to see an "i don't care" option.  mostly, because otherwise, i have to abstain from voting.

the "it's a contest" part of me says "NO!"

but, the "we're just writing for fun" part of me says "YES!"
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on December 04, 2015, 03:10:52 PM
I'm leaning more to likes now but I rather have karma
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: m3mnoch on December 04, 2015, 03:58:49 PM
I'm leaning more to likes now but I rather have karma

oooh.  what is this karma thing you speak of?

(i mean, aside from what wikipedia says)

edit:  oh.  i just found it:  http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/forum-help/how-does-the-karma-system-work/

yeah.  not a fan.  a) 'thumbs down' is not a good thing for reputation systems as it's too open to griefing.  b) it would horrify me if we were thumbs-down'ing someone's creative writing.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on December 04, 2015, 04:02:38 PM
I'm leaning more to likes now but I rather have karma

oooh.  what is this karma thing you speak of?

(i mean, aside from what wikipedia says)

Karma was a long time ago... that is we got rid of it and replaced it with Likes maybe 6 months or a bit more ago?

With Karma, you could thumbs and thumbs down a post. This resulted in some members having negative Karma, because, well, just cuz.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: m3mnoch on December 04, 2015, 04:05:42 PM
I'm leaning more to likes now but I rather have karma

oooh.  what is this karma thing you speak of?

(i mean, aside from what wikipedia says)

Karma was a long time ago... that is we got rid of it and replaced it with Likes maybe 6 months or a bit more ago?

With Karma, you could thumbs and thumbs down a post. This resulted in some members having negative Karma, because, well, just cuz.

word.

likes are better.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on December 04, 2015, 04:19:31 PM
should replace like with awesome instead
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: m3mnoch on December 04, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
should replace like with AWESOME!!!! instead

fixed that for you.

---

hrm.  i was just reading back through this entire thread.

it makes me wonder if there's something interesting we can do with limiting the number of likes.  (it would be a self-policing thing, of course)  like, if we said you get the same number of likes as you do votes.  you could either double-up on the really good ones, or spread the love around more.

also, what does it 'mean' if a story gets lots of likes, but few votes?  or a story that gets lots of votes, but few likes?  do we add them together for a "true view" into who "won"?  after all, it would give us more amplitude for the stories -- something our small dataset could use, for sure.

p.s.  i REALLY should be writing my fight scene and not on here.
Title: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: xiagan on December 04, 2015, 05:09:53 PM
I talked to Arry and we thought about how it would be if you only saw the likes on a post and not the person's total.
This was cool in the beginning but now it may intimidate newbies or seldom posting users if others have hundreds or thousands of likes...
Not related to the ongoing discussion, but something we could think about. :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: JMack on December 04, 2015, 05:20:09 PM
I talked to Arry and we thought about how it would be if you only saw the likes on a post and not the person's total.
This was cool in the beginning but now it may intimidate newbies or seldom posting users if others have hundreds or thousands of likes...
Not related to the ongoing discussion, but something we could think about. :)

And for those of us whose self-image is disastrously linked to the Forum, we could still click on the "Like stats" and on our own Profile.  8)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Arry on December 04, 2015, 06:52:25 PM
I talked to Arry and we thought about how it would be if you only saw the likes on a post and not the person's total.
This was cool in the beginning but now it may intimidate newbies or seldom posting users if others have hundreds or thousands of likes...
Not related to the ongoing discussion, but something we could think about. :)

And for those of us whose self-image is disastrously linked to the Forum, we could still click on the "Like stats" and on our own Profile.  8)

The thing I think would be nice about that option is it still allows positive feedback, but also takes away any stress some users experience in regards to a 'points' system.

Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Lady Ty on December 05, 2015, 01:10:22 AM
The hardest part of no Likes was not being able to use them in the discussion threads, which are an entertaining funny and interesting, and ongoing all the way before the actual submissions begin.

I never saw any rationale behind the Likes affecting Votes objections, because I think we Like for all sorts of different reasons and can Like any number of the stories, but getting down to votes you have to narrow your final choice votes far more critically and carefully. So voted Yes.

I hope we never have "negative" buttons  return, they are open to misuse too easily.

Happy to see Likes disappear from the personal total, never notice them there*, but always enjoy adding to and seeing them on the posts.

*because too busy checking post numbers and seeing if I can bank enough points to trade a Change of Someone Else's Title from the shark asking an exorbitantly inflated price.  We all know who you are. ::)

 
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Nora on December 05, 2015, 03:18:16 AM
The hardest part of no Likes was not being able to use them in the discussion threads, which are an entertaining funny and interesting, and ongoing all the way before the actual submissions begin.

I never saw any rationale behind the Likes affecting Votes objections, because I think we Like for all sorts of different reasons and can Like any number of the stories, but getting down to votes you have to narrow your final choice votes far more critically and carefully. So voted Yes.

I hope we never have "negative" buttons  return, they are open to misuse too easily.

Happy to see Likes disappear from the personal total, never notice them there*, but always enjoy adding to and seeing them on the posts.

*because too busy checking post numbers and seeing if I can bank enough points to trade a Change of Someone Else's Title from the shark asking an exorbitantly inflated price.  We all know who you are. ::)

I read this and agreed, but also saw you had 555 likes, @Lady_Ty (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=31869), so I liked your post and broke that!  :P
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Raptori on December 05, 2015, 04:38:58 AM
The voting so far is... a little different to last time. (http://liberalforum.net/images/smilies/blink.gif)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Lady Ty on December 05, 2015, 04:59:36 AM
The voting so far is... a little different to last time. (http://liberalforum.net/images/smilies/blink.gif)

Quick Quick Close the poll!
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on December 05, 2015, 07:59:04 AM
I talked to Arry and we thought about how it would be if you only saw the likes on a post and not the person's total.
This was cool in the beginning but now it may intimidate newbies or seldom posting users if others have hundreds or thousands of likes...
Not related to the ongoing discussion, but something we could think about. :)
I'll be honest, I think that's kinda worrying about nothing. I can't seriously see anybody being intimidated by other people having lots of likes, anymore than people would be intimidated by others having a high post count. Especially since likes themselves aren't all that important in the grand scheme of things. I don't have a massive like amount compared to some others (mainly because I don't post as much as other people) but I've never once felt intimidated by it. And I've joined other larger forums with like systems and never seen anyone intimidated there either.

Don't get me wrong, if you're going to remove the total likes from our posts I'm not too fussed, but it just seems like a wholly unnecessary and complicated way to fix a problem that very likely doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on December 05, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
I talked to Arry and we thought about how it would be if you only saw the likes on a post and not the person's total.
This was cool in the beginning but now it may intimidate newbies or seldom posting users if others have hundreds or thousands of likes...
Not related to the ongoing discussion, but something we could think about. :)
I'll be honest, I think that's kinda worrying about nothing. I can't seriously see anybody being intimidated by other people having lots of likes, anymore than people would be intimidated by others having a high post count. Especially since likes themselves aren't all that important in the grand scheme of things. I don't have a massive like amount compared to some others (mainly because I don't post as much as other people) but I've never once felt intimidated by it. And I've joined other larger forums with like systems and never seen anyone intimidated there either.

Don't get me wrong, if you're going to remove the total likes from our posts I'm not too fussed, but it just seems like a wholly unnecessary and complicated way to fix a problem that very likely doesn't exist.
I fully agree with this, and I was ready to post exactly the bolded part :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Justan Henner on December 05, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
I don't have a massive like amount compared to some others (mainly because I don't post as much as other people)

*Sigh* That's what I tell myself, as well. Alas...

 ;)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: eclipse on December 05, 2015, 08:00:11 PM
I don't have a massive like amount compared to some others

Thankfully you put like in that sentence  :D
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on December 16, 2015, 06:04:42 PM
Right, since the poll apparently finished 5 days ago, I'm assume this means we're getting likes back?
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: ScarletBea on December 16, 2015, 06:31:05 PM
Oh I missed the ending!

@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148) has been *really* busy lately: maybe then in January :)
Title: Re: Likes in the writing contest
Post by: Lady Ty on December 29, 2015, 03:20:36 AM
JUST A QUIET DISCREET REMINDER, DEAR CHRISTMAS FAIRY, SPIRIT OF FUTURE PERFECT, NEW YEAR OGRE AND ANY ONE ELSE SUCH AS

@xiagan (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1148)

WE CANNOT SURVIVE ANOTHER CONTEST DISCUSSION THREAD WITHOUT LIKES

PLEASE BRING THEM BACK FOR JANUARY 2016

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE