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Offline anachronoxian

Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2013, 05:03:09 PM »

Here is an awkward welcome!

I am also new here, and besides that I also have some children to sell on eBay. So we have that in common. Let me know if you get a good price.

I am a Moorcock fan, I go back and read them now and again. Elric is a fascinating character, always at odds with his strengths and weaknesses, where he comes from and where he is going. The adventures Moorcock crafts are rich, with interesting foes and allies, often you can't tell which they are. I particularly enjoy the soul-swallowing sword. :)

Ebay doesn't seem to be working, I'm thinking I'll skip straight to a mongolian boarding school for them. - the logic for this being if they misbehave, get kicked out or generally require a phone call or being sent home......its much harder to do if they're in mongolia instead of sussex!!!

Nice to hear another good review of Moorcock., the friend who lent me the book is the only person I actually know who's read any of his work and swears that he's amazing.. I trust his opinion, but its always nice to hear it seconded, you know? :)



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I've foisted Moorcock on a few people. Must be why I can't find the first book in my Elric series, can't recall who was the last foistee.

You must write a review when done. Until then... Blood and Souls for my Lord Arioch!
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Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2013, 05:43:08 PM »
I used it briefly to keep track of what I'd read to the kids, so the Eragon series is on there (before anyone looks it up and gasps in my general direction :p) my son LOVES dragons, so any dragon-based child-friendly books are good for him. - whether or not its good is irrelevant, I'd rather (at this age and reading level) focus on making him love reading, than worry too much about the quality of what's captured his imagination. - that will come later. - I also gave up on that when they decided to flit from book to book like little hummingbirds, unable to decide which was the better one. - 20 books in 9 days. Not a single one past the second chapter!!

Pff, I don't think anybody here is going to judge based on quality. So long as folk are enjoying what they read, that's all that matters. :D

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Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2013, 05:57:05 PM »

Pff, I don't think anybody here is going to judge based on quality. So long as folk are enjoying what they read, that's all that matters. :D

I love to read and rarely find a book I can't enjoy. I find aspects that annoy me, or bits that I don't like. But rare that an entire book will make me go 'actually, this is a pile of dirty stinky baby nappies'. Lol

Eragon seems to be a sticking point for some people, I've found people who love it, and people who hate it., I'm in the middle. I didn't adore it. But I didn't despise it. I guess It helps that I started reading it when I was a lot younger and before I'd read some of the more.....masterful(?) Works available.

I'm fairly easy going when it comes to fantasy I guess, I'll read pretty much anything from YA to really dark 'couldn't give it to a teenager. Ever' books.

What I really want for the most part, is for my kids to find the magic & wonder that's hidden between the pages of a well loved book. The feeling of excitement when you start a story, and sadness when you finally close it to put back on the shelf. - and then the comfort of going back to a favourite. If I can help them discover that, then I have done my job and can happily bury my nose in another book. :D

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Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2013, 06:34:18 PM »

Pff, I don't think anybody here is going to judge based on quality. So long as folk are enjoying what they read, that's all that matters. :D

I love to read and rarely find a book I can't enjoy. I find aspects that annoy me, or bits that I don't like. But rare that an entire book will make me go 'actually, this is a pile of dirty stinky baby nappies'. Lol

Eragon seems to be a sticking point for some people, I've found people who love it, and people who hate it., I'm in the middle. I didn't adore it. But I didn't despise it. I guess It helps that I started reading it when I was a lot younger and before I'd read some of the more.....masterful(?) Works available.

I'm fairly easy going when it comes to fantasy I guess, I'll read pretty much anything from YA to really dark 'couldn't give it to a teenager. Ever' books.

What I really want for the most part, is for my kids to find the magic & wonder that's hidden between the pages of a well loved book. The feeling of excitement when you start a story, and sadness when you finally close it to put back on the shelf. - and then the comfort of going back to a favourite. If I can help them discover that, then I have done my job and can happily bury my nose in another book. :D

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Enchantment is the word I use. Having children you get a rich perspective of what enchants new readers, and what does not. Magic comes when you create something new that sparks that wonder, the trap is formula. That is the key criticism of Eragon, is that it is formulaic in the extreme, and that the success is mostly the novelty of a young writer, and a very successful bit of marketing. It is successful for more than that, though, because as easy as it is to say what I just said, people like it. Is there "better" out there, yes, and what that is depends on who you ask.

I, personally, am unable to push myself to read through anything that is not "masterpiece". I never read a "writer", I read their best 1,2 3 and move on to another writer. I was reading Bakker's The Judging Eye. Chapter one was a chore. Chapter two was a bore. Stop. I don't care that I spent 14 bucks on it, I would rather have dental surgery than be bored with what I am reading.

Annoyance, they are always there. Even the best written books have blemishes. Sometimes there is a P.O.V. I don't really care for, and I skim through their bits. There's certainly a valley between boring and blemish, I suppose. Bottom line for me, there has to be something very spectacular about a book to make me push through bits that I don't care for. That something had better be in chapter one, by page five, or I toss it on the heap.
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Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2013, 07:05:19 PM »
Enchantment is the word I use. Having children you get a rich perspective of what enchants new readers, and what does not. Magic comes when you create something new that sparks that wonder, the trap is formula. That is the key criticism of Eragon, is that it is formulaic in the extreme, and that the success is mostly the novelty of a young writer, and a very successful bit of marketing. It is successful for more than that, though, because as easy as it is to say what I just said, people like it. Is there "better" out there, yes, and what that is depends on who you ask.

I, personally, am unable to push myself to read through anything that is not "masterpiece". I never read a "writer", I read their best 1,2 3 and move on to another writer. I was reading Bakker's The Judging Eye. Chapter one was a chore. Chapter two was a bore. Stop. I don't care that I spent 14 bucks on it, I would rather have dental surgery than be bored with what I am reading.

Annoyance, they are always there. Even the best written books have blemishes. Sometimes there is a P.O.V. I don't really care for, and I skim through their bits. There's certainly a valley between boring and blemish, I suppose. Bottom line for me, there has to be something very spectacular about a book to make me push through bits that I don't care for. That something had better be in chapter one, by page five, or I toss it on the heap.

I think the formulaic and somewhat unoriginal/predictability is part of what he loved about it - he was four at the time. for me I found it predictable and I could pretty much autopilot through it (and the three following). I have to say, the dragon on the cover is what drew me to it originally.
Looking back, I can see what people complain about. It is very clearly modelled on other peoples work. Very little in the way of originality and very simple. But I think for a child, or even early teen who is new to fantasy or just starting to read, its a simple and slow entry into things that can open a young person up to bigger, better and much more original books. - it was one of my first 'forays' into the genre and it made me go out and look for something *more*.

I'll read past the small irritations and niggles always assuming (hoping?) It will improve as the book/series goes on, a literature-optimist of sorts lol
I never finished the Silmarillion, I just could not push past the first third of the book. I just.......I couldn't do it.
I started The First Chronicles of Thomas Covenant but haven't gotten past the first few pages of book 2 yet. But those are the only two I've left like that.
I'm determined to finish both at some point, I hate leaving books/series unfinished. It drives me batty.


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Offline anachronoxian

Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 07:29:12 PM »
Enchantment is the word I use. Having children you get a rich perspective of what enchants new readers, and what does not. Magic comes when you create something new that sparks that wonder, the trap is formula. That is the key criticism of Eragon, is that it is formulaic in the extreme, and that the success is mostly the novelty of a young writer, and a very successful bit of marketing. It is successful for more than that, though, because as easy as it is to say what I just said, people like it. Is there "better" out there, yes, and what that is depends on who you ask.

I, personally, am unable to push myself to read through anything that is not "masterpiece". I never read a "writer", I read their best 1,2 3 and move on to another writer. I was reading Bakker's The Judging Eye. Chapter one was a chore. Chapter two was a bore. Stop. I don't care that I spent 14 bucks on it, I would rather have dental surgery than be bored with what I am reading.

Annoyance, they are always there. Even the best written books have blemishes. Sometimes there is a P.O.V. I don't really care for, and I skim through their bits. There's certainly a valley between boring and blemish, I suppose. Bottom line for me, there has to be something very spectacular about a book to make me push through bits that I don't care for. That something had better be in chapter one, by page five, or I toss it on the heap.

I think the formulaic and somewhat unoriginal/predictability is part of what he loved about it - he was four at the time. for me I found it predictable and I could pretty much autopilot through it (and the three following). I have to say, the dragon on the cover is what drew me to it originally.
Looking back, I can see what people complain about. It is very clearly modelled on other peoples work. Very little in the way of originality and very simple. But I think for a child, or even early teen who is new to fantasy or just starting to read, its a simple and slow entry into things that can open a young person up to bigger, better and much more original books. - it was one of my first 'forays' into the genre and it made me go out and look for something *more*.

I'll read past the small irritations and niggles always assuming (hoping?) It will improve as the book/series goes on, a literature-optimist of sorts lol
I never finished the Silmarillion, I just could not push past the first third of the book. I just.......I couldn't do it.
I started The First Chronicles of Thomas Covenant but haven't gotten past the first few pages of book 2 yet. But those are the only two I've left like that.
I'm determined to finish both at some point, I hate leaving books/series unfinished. It drives me batty.

I'm a die hard Tolkien fan and I've not finished the Silmarillion for the same reason I hated the Star Wars prequels... it is cool to know what happened before  "the story" but that beginning doesn't always make a good story in itself.

The Silmarillion is kind of like world building notebook he kept in preparation for a real story, The Lord of the Rings.

On Eragon... one thing to say about formula is that it uses archetypes that resonate with us, that are like familiar friends to us. Formula works, and in the right hands, it can be wondrous, showing us those same old things in a new way. Anyhoo, he has sold several books, and I have sold... none. So, my criticism is worth about 2 cents in that regard :)
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Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 07:44:53 PM »

I'm a die hard Tolkien fan and I've not finished the Silmarillion for the same reason I hated the Star Wars prequels... it is cool to know what happened before  "the story" but that beginning doesn't always make a good story in itself.

The Silmarillion is kind of like world building notebook he kept in preparation for a real story, The Lord of the Rings.

On Eragon... one thing to say about formula is that it uses archetypes that resonate with us, that are like familiar friends to us. Formula works, and in the right hands, it can be wondrous, showing us those same old things in a new way. Anyhoo, he has sold several books, and I have sold... none. So, my criticism is worth about 2 cents in that regard :)

I haven't read or watched Star Wars *gasp* - I'm not a sci-fi fan, but the movies are on my to-do list.

The silmarillion just read like a very boring, overly complex family tree full of people with virtually identical names.  I got so bored & gave up on it.

Eragon is what it is.. A book written by a teenager who let his influences dictate the book instead of compliment it. - in my opinion anyhow :)

I disagree with your last comment about your criticism being worth 2cents, as a reader, and the person buying the books from the stores your criticism and opinions are worth a helluva lot!! We the readers are the ones who buy, read and recommend or not as the case may be. Look at this forum, how many people purchase books based solely on the review or recommendation from someone here? I've bought several based on reviews from the FF website and will be buying more based on the review/recommend threads for sure!! :)


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Offline anachronoxian

Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2013, 07:54:51 PM »

I'm a die hard Tolkien fan and I've not finished the Silmarillion for the same reason I hated the Star Wars prequels... it is cool to know what happened before  "the story" but that beginning doesn't always make a good story in itself.

The Silmarillion is kind of like world building notebook he kept in preparation for a real story, The Lord of the Rings.

On Eragon... one thing to say about formula is that it uses archetypes that resonate with us, that are like familiar friends to us. Formula works, and in the right hands, it can be wondrous, showing us those same old things in a new way. Anyhoo, he has sold several books, and I have sold... none. So, my criticism is worth about 2 cents in that regard :)

I haven't read or watched Star Wars *gasp* - I'm not a sci-fi fan, but the movies are on my to-do list.

The silmarillion just read like a very boring, overly complex family tree full of people with virtually identical names.  I got so bored & gave up on it.

Eragon is what it is.. A book written by a teenager who let his influences dictate the book instead of compliment it. - in my opinion anyhow :)

I disagree with your last comment about your criticism being worth 2cents, as a reader, and the person buying the books from the stores your criticism and opinions are worth a helluva lot!! We the readers are the ones who buy, read and recommend or not as the case may be. Look at this forum, how many people purchase books based solely on the review or recommendation from someone here? I've bought several based on reviews from the FF website and will be buying more based on the review/recommend threads for sure!! :)

Ok, you got me, I was being overly humble. :)

Let me re-state - as a writer, my criticism is worth 2 cents, as a reader and more importantly, recommend-er - my opinion is in fact worth the price of the book times the number of potential buyers who heed my opinion!
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An awkward hello
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2013, 08:19:30 PM »
Haha, fair play :) :p

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Re: An awkward hello
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2013, 12:48:08 PM »
My cell mate says I should post on here but what does he know.

I love animals, the doctor says that my love is inappropriate but love has to be physically expressed in order to reach the purity that the lord respects, n'est pas?

I have read a fantasy book.  A middle aged man with a healthy respect for others had a normal life and was respected by his peers.

I lie, all the time.