June 20, 2018, 07:03:43 AM

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What a whole bunch of fascinating detail about historical and present-day sex-work this discussion has accrued! This is all really interesting and I think there's about a dozen great story ideas just rattled off here.

The thing about saying "Fantasy is not real! It can do whatever!" is that it then raises the question of why fantasy so often chooses to do the things it does. Why is a fantasy of commonplace and institutionalised prostitution more common than a fantasy of gender equality wherein sex is not something men pursue and women prevent?

For the record, I'll object to just about any story or scenario in which the women just exist as props, it's just that poorly done brothels in fantasy get the double-whammy of women-as-props and -as-blamelessly-sexually-available. Women and sex in fantasy is a whole other rant, this is just an intersection point! :)
General Discussion / Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Last post by Lady Ty on Today at 04:40:55 AM »
@tebakutis and all US people here who are ashamed and angry about Trump and the refugee policies, I cannot stand by and let you think that you are the only country who acts like this. You learned some of these policies and strategies from Australia. We are equally, if not more culpable, inhumane and cruel. I'm sorry, it is unforgivable and I am deeply ashamed.

ETA This is long so have put rest in spoiler to keep compact.

Spoiler for Hiden:
Australia has operated detention camps on two remote, tiny islands in the Pacific, Manus and Nauru, keeping men, women and children there in mouldy tents and prefab huts for many years. Nearly all those people have actually been given refugee status, but their 'crime' is that they came on leaky boats, having fallen prey to people smugglers. Some of those children have been born and grown to school age there. Many of the children answer to a number not a name.

I have never discussed this here before, because I have been closely involved in advocating against, lobbying against and protesting against these policies all the time, for many years. I come to FF to step aside for a while, but now it would be dishonest not to be bring it to your attention.

This has such a long, complex history that it is impossible to try and  explain or detail all that has happened and the sordid politics involved but I will add links to try and give you an overall picture of how things began and how they still stand. I don't expect you to want to read them all, it is extremely depressing, but even the headlines are telling.I owe it to all the decent people on this Forum to acknowledge Australia's guilt and inhumanity.





How our Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull told your President Trump exactly how he could get around the deal President Obama made to take some of these unfortunate innocent refugees in an exchange.


You can decide to take 1,000 or 100. It is entirely up to you. The obligation is to only go through the process. So that is the first thing. Secondly, the people — none of these people are from the conflict zone. They are basically economic refugees from Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. That is the vast bulk of them. They have been under our supervision for over three years now and we know exactly everything about them.

Trump: Why haven't you let them out? Why have you not let them into your society?

Turnbull: Okay, I will explain why.

It is not because they are bad people. It is because in order to stop people smugglers, we had to deprive them of the product.

So we said if you try to come to Australia by boat, even if we think you are the best person in the world, even if you are a Nobel Prize-winning genius, we will not let you in. Because the problem with the people —

Trump: That is a good idea. We should do that too. You are worse than I am.

Finally from one of the refugees, Behrouz Boochani who has been there for years and eventually managed to make his voice heard worldwide.


Writers' Corner / SPFBO 4 has started
« Last post by ScarletBea on Today at 03:35:32 AM »
... and it got full in a day!

Good luck to our fellow members @Justan Henner and @NedMarcus  :D
(unless the names I read there aren't really you, hehe)
Glad you had fun. :D My daughter has strategy of hiding out in country far from action, grabbing up useful items, until numbers are low and then trying to sneak in. Only trouble is you can forget to look out for the storm out on those edges.
Tygrands are teens and just plough right into the action full on. :D We photoed the screen for a Victory Royale to prove to the others my youngest grandson had beaten them.
How cool is the dancing?  8) 8) 8)
Writers' Corner / Re: Fantasy names
« Last post by bdcharles on Today at 02:00:28 AM »
Partly because I am a bit lazy and partly because I want to avoid as much responsibility as I can if people don't care for the names, but mostly brecause I like the idea of taking ideas from a nebulous "external entity", I get my character names from things like snippets of misheard conversation or misread words or dreams and hypnogogic states. This way they retain something of their native language but with something other, something supplied by the stochastic forces that govern our universe.

Or something. Failing that I hit up online nonsense generators...
Voted! I was looking for ... just pure readability really; escapism, inventiveness, cool fun. The usual.
"Next time you die, please will you come and eat your breakfast?"

is not a question I ever imagined I would be asking. It is cold and grey here this week and my family is obsessed with Fortnite. I even back-seat battle from the sidelines.

Awesome. I downloaded this over the weekend. Me and missus ordered pizza and spent all of Sunday playing this. We both suck at this, but laugh every time we die.

Plan to paralelly watch Attack on Titan S2.
Writers' Corner / Re: My query letter
« Last post by JMack on Today at 12:04:47 AM »
Hmm. Do you think it would benefit from a preface flat-out stating that it's a Gothic/Lovecraftian novel?

I do think that the sense of it as Victorian / Gothic is an opportunity. Perhaps things like “the gaslit city”, “mysterious and deeply alien dangers”, and stuff. There’s also no connection between the two characters.
General Discussion / Re: Friday Night Music Thread
« Last post by Bender on Today at 12:03:59 AM »
I've been in a exploratory mode recently mostly around soft hip hop.

The Renaissance - Q Tip is currently on my playlist.
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