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Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« on: September 19, 2011, 04:40:20 PM »
Lets not have a debate about the rights and wrongs of piracy, but without going into details I recently downloaded Volume 2 of the Complete Judge Dredd Case Files from a file sharing site. Some of you will know that this volume includes the classic story line: Tales of the Cursed Earth, and you might know that two stories had to be removed from the arc, never to be published again, Burger Wars and Soul Food. Well in my pirated version, the devious genius who uploaded it has lovingly restored both stories to their rightful place in the arc. I think in this case a massive salute is owed to the pirate. Good lad or lass!
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Offline Shamrock

Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 12:58:42 PM »
I only 'file share' when the stores make it absolutely impossible for me to get legally, such as 'This title is not available for your region: Africa' thanks Amazon but 'Africa' isn't a region it's a continent.

Sounds like you got a sweet deal there though.
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Offline Overlord

Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 06:14:05 PM »
Yeah... I guess whether or not we should talk about this on an open forum is debatable... but there have been occasions when I really, really wanted comic books that are OOP and not available to buy anywhere legitimately that I have acquired them by probably illegal digital means. Sonic The Comic for example in the UK went bust and the company no longer trade so I don't really see an alternative in that respect.

I would only download things that are unavailable though... I understand and sympathise with the publishing houses and such that can't release stuff without getting decent return.
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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 05:26:42 AM »
What is it with you and Sonic?
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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 10:52:15 AM »
Seeing as every one of my books has been illegally downloaded, losing me a fair whack in royalties, I can't say I'm a fan of pirates*....



*This could be the understatement of the decade. I could kinda understand it if something is really truly unavailable. But that's not all that's up there. It's probably not even 10% of what's up there. And let's not get into the pirate defence of 'all art should be free.' Grrrr
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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 11:15:01 AM »
I was trying to avoid that debate! But, yes we should pay artists for their work. But the point of the thread was just for those cases when you cant buy something but it is now available for free download. 
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Offline Toc the Youngest

Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 11:26:26 AM »
I'm going to start pirating gasoline and Big Macs...
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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2011, 09:34:21 PM »
Yes, all hail Sonic the Comic! I loved that as a kid. And as a supposed adult as well, actually...

I agree with the_hound, this is an example of how file sharing can benefit us all. I'm not sure you can really define it as piracy; you're not encroaching on sales, since these items aren't available to you. As there is no legitimate way of getting hold of this media, is it so awful to share it with fellow enthusiasts?

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 06:55:16 AM »
Yes, all hail Sonic the Comic! I loved that as a kid. And as a supposed adult as well, actually...

I agree with the_hound, this is an example of how file sharing can benefit us all. I'm not sure you can really define it as piracy; you're not encroaching on sales, since these items aren't available to you. As there is no legitimate way of getting hold of this media, is it so awful to share it with fellow enthusiasts?

I'm sure the person or company that owns the copywrite would beg to differ but it's not me so I don't care who downloads what. I used Napster about 100 years ago but now I stay away from the illegal downloading.  But even if I did download copywrite protected material illegally I wouldn't advertise it.
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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 07:44:07 PM »
On what grounds can the copyright holder complain if the item in question isn't available to consumers? As soon as it becomes available you should, of course, purchase a legitimate copy. But in the meantime, the copyright holder can't earn money. Having their art shared keeps it relevant and garners them fans; fans who are likely to clamour for a decent, legitimate copy!

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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2011, 08:33:17 PM »
I suspect that 2000AD put it up themselves!i think it rankles that Soul Food and Burger Wars were banned just cos some big name American Brands have no sense of humour. You can buy the complete case files volume 2, but download this version to keep alongside for the missing two episodes!
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Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 10:04:50 PM »
On what grounds can the copyright holder complain if the item in question isn't available to consumers? As soon as it becomes available you should, of course, purchase a legitimate copy. But in the meantime, the copyright holder can't earn money. Having their art shared keeps it relevant and garners them fans; fans who are likely to clamour for a decent, legitimate copy!

I'm not really sure what your argument is since you're completely in the wrong. If something becomes public domain you have every right to download it, share it amongst your friends or whatever but if there is a copyright on the item and you take it for free you're breaking the law. Just because something exists doesn't mean you have the right to have it just because you want it whether it's available or unavailable. Try telling a court of law "I stole it because it wasn't available!" see how far that gets you. It doesn't matter what the reason for the availability of said item.
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Offline Overlord

Re: Why Piracy can be a good thing. . .
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2011, 09:16:32 AM »
On what grounds can the copyright holder complain if the item in question isn't available to consumers? As soon as it becomes available you should, of course, purchase a legitimate copy. But in the meantime, the copyright holder can't earn money. Having their art shared keeps it relevant and garners them fans; fans who are likely to clamour for a decent, legitimate copy!

I'm not really sure what your argument is since you're completely in the wrong. If something becomes public domain you have every right to download it, share it amongst your friends or whatever but if there is a copyright on the item and you take it for free you're breaking the law. Just because something exists doesn't mean you have the right to have it just because you want it whether it's available or unavailable. Try telling a court of law "I stole it because it wasn't available!" see how far that gets you. It doesn't matter what the reason for the availability of said item.

Very true, I guess people have to make decisions in regards to what they think is right and wrong. And suffer any consequences that may arise of those choices :)
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