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Title: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Bender on June 23, 2019, 03:58:35 AM
I presume everyone has some that they rarely voice since reactions are not likely to be supportive...let's hear some of them.

To start this.....I support cannibalism, polygamy, legally assisted dying, decriminalization of suicides and increased use of death penalty.

Not just free for all, but within a legal structure that'll prevent misuse.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Eclipse on June 23, 2019, 06:19:12 AM
I don’t enjoy Sanderson novels along with Robin Hobb,Terry Pratchet and GGK.

Also I thought  the lord of the Rings movies were boring.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: NedMarcus on June 23, 2019, 02:32:04 PM
I've considered becoming a vegetarian more than once.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Not Lu on June 23, 2019, 06:25:12 PM
I've considered becoming a carnivore more than once.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Eclipse on June 23, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Bea is a good mod 😉
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 23, 2019, 06:52:15 PM
Bea is a good mod 😉
This isn't controversial 8)

Going to the beach is overrated.
I don't like the taste of alcoholic drinks.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: isos81 on June 23, 2019, 09:36:48 PM
I've considered becoming a vegetarian more than once.

I've tried twice. First one lasted one month, second lasted 3 months. I'm thinking going back to vegetarian in a month :)
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 23, 2019, 10:16:14 PM
I've considered becoming a vegetarian more than once.

I've tried twice. First one lasted one month, second lasted 3 months. I'm thinking going back to vegetarian in a month :)
If it's not related to the animal issues and it's more about the actual food, then there's no reason why you can't be 'part vegetarian' - that's what I am, actually. There are weeks when I don't eat any meat or fish, and I hardly ever eat red meat anyway. Lots of veggie yummy food :)
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Bender on June 24, 2019, 01:10:59 AM
I was born in a vegetarian family. I eat meat nowadays but really can't understand the addiction to it. I can live by most diets except seafood which I'm allergic to. Possibly the only thing I crave after some time is rice, but just occasionally.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: NedMarcus on June 24, 2019, 03:24:27 AM
I've considered becoming a vegetarian more than once.

I've tried twice. First one lasted one month, second lasted 3 months. I'm thinking going back to vegetarian in a month :)
If it's not related to the animal issues and it's more about the actual food, then there's no reason why you can't be 'part vegetarian' - that's what I am, actually. There are weeks when I don't eat any meat or fish, and I hardly ever eat red meat anyway. Lots of veggie yummy food :)
It's a bit of both (animal welfare and health, too). I agree there's good vegetarian food—I'm already halfway there.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on June 24, 2019, 05:59:50 AM
I don't like the taste of alcoholic drinks.

Seconded this.

 I actually had a lot of these since, only a last week, I've just managed to self-diagnose that I've been a kind of  sociopath my entire life. It pretty much explained why I lack basic feelings of empathy for others and could imagine hurting people in twisted and controversial ways over very small matters. Pretty much explained why most of my MCs are either psychopaths or extremely hostile/ ruthless too.

Also I don't really care about the environment-saving things much since I'm going to die alone without any descendants anyway.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: isos81 on June 24, 2019, 11:04:31 AM
I don't like the taste of alcoholic drinks.

Seconded this.


Mee too! I cannot drink anything with alcohol in it. My stomach can't take it. It must be about my enzymes. I can't drink milk too.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Peat on June 24, 2019, 02:17:39 PM
People who come solely to a forum to promote their work and nothing else should be banned.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 24, 2019, 02:45:48 PM
People who come solely to a forum to promote their work and nothing else should be banned.
I actually think it's a harsher punishment to just be ignored ;D
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Peat on June 24, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
People who come solely to a forum to promote their work and nothing else should be banned.
I actually think it's a harsher punishment to just be ignored ;D

Hmm. Arguably true.

I always suspected there was a sadistic tyrant under that friendly exterior.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 24, 2019, 04:16:59 PM
People who come solely to a forum to promote their work and nothing else should be banned.
I actually think it's a harsher punishment to just be ignored ;D

Hmm. Arguably true.

I always suspected there was a sadistic tyrant under that friendly exterior.
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Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 24, 2019, 04:38:03 PM
People who come solely to a forum to promote their work and nothing else should be banned.
I actually think it's a harsher punishment to just be ignored ;D

Oof. Brutally true!
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: xiagan on June 24, 2019, 08:57:04 PM
I'm a raised vegetarian and never ate meat (except seafood). Now to the controversial part: The smell of bacon is one of the worst I know and I get nauseous if I stay close to somebody cooking bacon.

I support cannibalism, polygamy, legally assisted dying, decriminalization of suicides and increased use of death penalty.
Cannibalism: Morally okay for me if it's with consent but prions make it highly problematic.
Polygamy: Sure, as long as it isn't in a religious context (because in that case real consent isn't likely).
Legally assisted dying: Absolutely. We do it so that our pets don't suffer but it's okay that grandpa suffers for years.
Decriminalization of suicides: I guess death penalty would be okay too? ;) Hard topic. It shouldn't be a criminal act but if you survive, therapy should be mandatory. I'm more for trying to remove the main reasons for suicide (From the top of my head I think those are: PTSD from war, bullying in school/work, stigmatization of mental illness and non-livable wages)   
Increased use of the death penalty: Hard no because you can't prevent accidentally murdering innocents.

Abortion should be legal and free and pro life isn't pro life but pro birth and a tool to oppress women.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Neveesandeh on June 24, 2019, 09:26:11 PM
I have far too many to be listed here, but I am at least not a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Peat on June 25, 2019, 12:47:15 PM
The smell of bacon is one of the worst I know and I get nauseous if I stay close to somebody cooking bacon.


Okay, now that's an actual controversial opinion. I'm flabberghasted.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Alex Hormann on June 25, 2019, 06:39:25 PM
I'm all for the death penalty in cases of extreme crime where there is literally 0% doubt about who did it. School shooters and terrorist attackers spring to mind.
I also don't think that mental health should be used as a defence for committing crimes, and that the prison system (In Britain) needs to be much harsher.


As for more 'on-topic' controversial opinions.

You cannot 'read' an audiobook.
Voyager was better than Next Generation, and Enterprise was better than both.
Asimov and Sanderson are among the best prose writers in literature.
Art is not inherently political.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Neveesandeh on June 25, 2019, 10:33:35 PM
I'm all for the death penalty in cases of extreme crime where there is literally 0% doubt about who did it. School shooters and terrorist attackers spring to mind.
I also don't think that mental health should be used as a defence for committing crimes, and that the prison system (In Britain) needs to be much harsher.


I'm unsure about the death penalty myself, but I definitely agree that the prison system in the UK is a joke. So is our police force, for that matter.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: shadowkat678 on June 26, 2019, 12:22:45 AM
I actually liked the Hobbit movies better than the book baring small parts.

I'm Christian, but I believe multiple dieties exist even though I don't worship them.

All the top contributors to global warming deserve the guillotine.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Bender on June 26, 2019, 02:31:18 AM
Art is not inherently political.

Can you expand on this, Alex?
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Alex Hormann on June 26, 2019, 11:18:53 AM
Art is not inherently political.

Can you expand on this, Alex?


Gladly. There's an odd thing I've picked up on in the past few years where people, usually left-leaning authors, insist that all art is political. It's also an idea that pops up a lot if you study literature in university. The theory goes like this:

-We live in a political world. Anything we write is informed by those politics. Even if you do not actively write politics into your work, your work will support the status quo. This is of course a 'bad thing.' If you are not actively fighting for your politics, you are helping to suppress them.-

I could not disagree more. Firstly, the entire debate is structured around the false notion that politics covers religion, morality and a host of other things. This is, put bluntly, wrong. I don't believe that someone's sexual identity is political, for example. But it is a matter that's been politicised by both sides. The authors who write diverse characters often argue that not having LGBT characters is a political choice, and that including them is only natural. And I can absolutely see their point. But if you're going to claim that not having something is political, then you have to be open to the suggestion that including them is political too. Which it is of course not. It might be a moral choice, but it is not necessarily a political one.

I read a lot of Military SF, and American SF in general, which tends to have more conservative values than British self-professed liberal authors. I enjoy both equally, but while they have moral values, they are not political ones. You can of course have political elements in a book - The Forever War is very much in conversation with the Vietnam war - but it's not as omnipresent as people tend to say it is. There are people who say 'you only recognise politics if you disagree with it,' which is blatantly insulting to my intelligence. I am a fairly right-leaning centrist, if we have to use these terms, and I can spot both sides of the political divide. I can also see when it is absent. David Gemmell's Legend, for example, is in no way political. It has a lot of morality to it, but no politics.

As something of a disclaimer, I will say that I write political thrillers set in space, so of course there's politics in my work, but I always try to give a balanced view. And I wrote my Master's dissertation on Empires in Science Fiction, so I have done a lot of reading on the subject.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: J.R. Darewood on June 27, 2019, 03:16:46 AM

I hate salad dressing... all condiments really.  Mayonaise most of all, but I don't like ketchup or mustard.  At all.

Also, I'm and anarchist.

@Justan Henner

I have a theory about this.

In angolophone countries. or at least the US and UK, neoliberalism has embedded itself into the psyche of "progressives" to the point that they aren't capable of seeing structures or conceiving of structural change-- for them only the interpersonal exists.  Millenials have been raised in an environment in which Rosa Parks sitting in the front of the bus wouldn't be about challenging a government-articulated system of oppression and parlayed into a struggle for the achievement of rights, but an interpersonal conflict about rude people that begins and ends with catfights on the internet and likes on youtube videos.

Similarly, the Culture Wars seems to be often about inter-personal micro-agressions than, you know, the big picture rights thing.  A narrative that drives consciousness among racists? That inspires political action among progressives?  That's not on the radar.  Trans people, due to discrimination make 20k a year in the US-- that's starvation wages.  Many are driven to sex work to survive.  But the top of my feed is some article about how JK Rowling is transphobic because she followed a transphobic journalist on twitter.  Maybe she is, maybe she isn't but... WTAF people.  There are real issues here, and a twitter follow isn't one of them.  It's part of this effort to exert some sort of petty power over individual actions (a twitter follow) instead of having any sort of consciousness of the interaction between the *quality* of representation, the texture of a narrative, and how that can be parlayed or not parlayed into ideological change and political action.  Visibility, in my opinion, absolutely cannot be viewed as a virtue in and of itself. How did we get from the Stonewall riots to... this? I would say: neoliberal co-optation, which means even if progressives win the Culture Wars, we've actually lost, as we're fighting for the right to be interpolated as neolliberal subjects, as opposed to using the media as conscious rights-oriented political actors.

Which is a long side note somewhat agreeing with you in that I believe different stories are about different things, and I agree that the absence of something can very well mean that it's just outside of the scope of what the author was trying to do at the moment.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Bender on June 27, 2019, 04:03:18 AM
-We live in a political world. Anything we write is informed by those politics. Even if you do not actively write politics into your work, your work will support the status quo. This is of course a 'bad thing.' If you are not actively fighting for your politics, you are helping to suppress them.-

I could not disagree more. Firstly, the entire debate is structured around the false notion that politics covers religion, morality and a host of other things. This is, put bluntly, wrong. I don't believe that someone's sexual identity is political, for example. But it is a matter that's been politicised by both sides. The authors who write diverse characters often argue that not having LGBT characters is a political choice, and that including them is only natural. And I can absolutely see their point. But if you're going to claim that not having something is political, then you have to be open to the suggestion that including them is political too. Which it is of course not. It might be a moral choice, but it is not necessarily a political one.



In another forum, we've had about 30 pages worth of discussion on whether Political Correctness is good or bad and this would fit in well there.

There are 2 different questions
(1) Is art and almost every other facet of life political? Answer is unquestionably yes.  and
(2) Should they be political? Answer is a unquestionably no.

But then there is no two ways about it. Adding in LGBT characters in a novel is political. Not adding them is also political. I've had pages of discussion on whether the next James Bond and Superman should be Black. Why not Asian? Considering the socio-political scene when they were written, they look to be made white, but there is no practical reason for them to be re imagined to be a different race....but would that be deviating from the mental image of the author? Maybe, maybe not. The argument is more political than of literature.

Is a person's sexual identity political? Nope,. But then is there any way to get formal recognition and freedom from bias without going political and getting laws passed? Nope again. So yes, religion, sex, race, color, opinions are all political.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Justan Henner on June 27, 2019, 04:45:35 AM
@J.R. Darewood

I have no controversial opinions. I agree with all the right people on all the right things.


Millenials have been raised in an environment in which Rosa Parks sitting in the front of the bus wouldn't be about challenging a government-articulated system of oppression and parlayed into a struggle for the achievement of rights, but an interpersonal conflict about rude people that begins and ends with catfights on the internet and likes on youtube videos.


The sad thing is it ultimately ends in interpretation being used as ammunition, typically against people who are likely advocating for a similar cause, or who would be supportive if not for the personal attacks. It alienates people, because why would I want to side with someone who's clearly more concerned with pointing out my flaws rather than actually doing the right thing? It's a form of activism entirely entrenched in the negative; in pulling down specific individuals rather than building up the community.

On another note, and tying into the "Do you notice Preachiness in books?" thread, my absolute favorite thing in books is the exploration of a philosophical or political idea, presented in a way that either:

a) doesn't pass moral judgment on the ideas, or
b) allows characters to disagree on a topic without one of them defaulting to being the villain.

I feel like that's getting harder and harder to find, which makes me pretty sad, partly because it's not allowing me to think about things and come to a conclusion (while instead dictating to me how I should feel), but mostly
because it seems to be resulting in books where all the villains have to have one set of beliefs and the heroes regurgitate the same generic talking points I see all day on the news.
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Neveesandeh on June 27, 2019, 07:16:18 AM

All the top contributors to global warming deserve the guillotine.

That's a controversial opinion?
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: Eclipse on June 27, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
Fantasy Faction Facebook is better than Fantasy Faction Forum.

Jesting
Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: ScarletBea on June 27, 2019, 09:21:20 AM
Fantasy Faction Facebook is better than Fantasy Faction Forum.

Jesting
If you hadn't put that spoiler I would be very angry at you >:(





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Title: Re: What are your most controversial opinions?
Post by: shadowkat678 on June 28, 2019, 07:54:55 PM

All the top contributors to global warming deserve the guillotine.

That's a controversial opinion?

Sadly, it seems so. Otherwise I'd think it would already have been done.