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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2020, 02:27:09 PM »
Yeah I can see your point but existing parents will make babies when this is percieved to be over and the relief sets in. As you say those without will breed during a crisis.

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« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2020, 03:08:02 PM »
That's a very optimistic take. Reality is closeted together will only lead to more divorces/breakups too and that'll flatten the curve.
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2020, 03:06:49 AM »
I've been out a couple of times in the past two days, running necessary errands, and I was surprised how aware I was. If people approached, I would change course. I noticed if they were wearing masks or not, if they approached other people or avoided them. It was mostly just an observational curiosity on my part, but it got me thinking.

If I'm a germophobe, this might all be having long-term effects on my psyche. And the longer it goes on, the greater might be those effects. Which got me thinking about all the other mental scars that might be inflicted over these weeks and months--people who lost their job or their business, who saw the way they do business changed forever, who missed out on unique experiences like a graduation, and well too many things to list. Most of that isn't going to make the news, is dwarfed by larger events, but they'll loom large enough to the individual.

And then, on a lighter note, I thought of the younger folk going through this. Now when older folk kvetch about how the younger generation has had it so easy, they'll be able to reply "we lived through a world-changing pandemic, so sit back down, oldster."

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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2020, 04:00:58 AM »
You're very right, Skip.
My niece turned 5 yesterday, her party was 8 friends on a video-call and a walk on the Heath with her sister and parents. I wonder if she'll remember...

And guys, what's your opinion on face masks out of fabric? How can they protect anything? I read someone say that "wearing a cloth mask is like asking a police tactical officer to wear four t-shirts instead of a Kevlar vest" and I think I agree.
As Nora said earlier, they're useful to prevent us touching our face, but not the virus from entering our body...
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2020, 04:31:38 AM »
I'm considering getting masks (ang gloves) myself. It must be better than nothing, at least. Any small percentage to avoid getting it seems reasonable.
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2020, 07:14:47 AM »
I use gloves and masks in work. Because being hot and uncomfortable is not enough.

Nitrile gloves would certainly prevent any viral contact on hard surfaces the issue is taking them off without contacting your wrist with the potentially contaminated fingers of the other glove.

Masks come in all shapes and ratings most utterly useless you want an N95 off FFP2 rated masks (depending on geography) fitted correctly and then you are largely protecting others from whats in your lungs.

And of course any you can get will all be made in China
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2020, 07:48:29 AM »
Oh don't get me wrong, sure it's better than nothing - yesterday at the supermarket I was walking around with my gardening gloves, hehe (mainly for the trolley).
It just might give people a false sense of security...
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2020, 09:27:30 AM »
On my weekly shopping trips I usually wear plastic gloves, a new set for each store. I throw them away after and disinfect my hands (between every store). For my parents' sake, I wipe down everything with dishwashing liquid and rinse it off. My father would likely die if he caught this virus, so I figure better safe than sorry. It's 10 minutes extra of my time.

But there's no guarantee I won't breathe something in when I'm out shopping. A proper mask would definitely be nice, but I'm not going to go looking for one online when I know there's a huge shortage and people who need them way more than I. If I got sick, I'd most likely be fine -- my main worry would be passing it to my father.

Anyway, time for me to drag myself out of the hole of ifs and maybes and do something with my days. This isn't going away any time soon so I need to establish a new normal.

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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2020, 09:28:13 AM »
We'd talked about this before, this is today's cartoon in a Portuguese newspaper:



It says
"There's a general request to not circulate lies* in social media today"
"As an exception, 'today'?" ;D

(* note that in Portugal we call it "Lies' day" instead of "Fool's day", since it's all about people telling lies)

Also, in 'normal times' the 2 cartoon people are sitting close together ;D
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« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2020, 01:03:11 PM »
I wear a mask when in crowded places, and always on public transport.

It's strange that medical professionals in the West have very different advice on masks to medical professionals in the East. I'm in Taiwan, and we're encouraged to wear masks, and we're told that they DO make a difference in certain circumstances. In fact it's compulsory in some places. I'll be queueing up again on Sunday morning for my weekly ration of 3 masks. Unfortunately, the queue begins at about 6.30AM about 2.5 hours before the health centre opens.

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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2020, 09:51:15 PM »
And guys, what's your opinion on face masks out of fabric? How can they protect anything? I read someone say that "wearing a cloth mask is like asking a police tactical officer to wear four t-shirts instead of a Kevlar vest" and I think I agree.
As Nora said earlier, they're useful to prevent us touching our face, but not the virus from entering our body...
My wife sews Masks for doctors, pharmacies, residential care homes, friends, etc. in the hundreds.
They mainly protect others from yourself, so if everybody had one, everybody would be protected. And they do help with touching your face or not getting 100% of some guy's sneeze on the train into your face...
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #116 on: April 02, 2020, 08:47:58 AM »
Healthcare experts are asking us to be positive. They say it's probably a ten-week period we will have to tolerate, the ten weeks coming at different times for different countries. One hopes Italy and Spain are going through one of these ten-week hell cycles. The US is expecting more deaths and critical cases in the coming fortnight. India, where we are seeing the world's biggest lockdown, is also bracing for a spike in number of cases and deaths. What's alarming is experts' prediction that the situation in the US and India could well dwarf the catastrophe in Italy and Spain. Cases seem to be mounting in Latin America also. As a fairly well off person, I first believed that we should protect life and forgo economic growth, and I still believe that. But for the poor, the unemployed, and the homeless, nothing is forgiving. If we have to protect the lives of the vulnerable we need an exemplary healthcare system, a top-notch distributive justice system, and a robust economy. There's no denying that. 3.3 mil Americans have filed for unemployment claims this past week.

As sociologists are now saying, this outbreak must force a rethink of how much we spend on healthcare. Almost every country has been caught napping in this regard. We need to cut down on military funding and space research for that to happen. Because this is not going to be the only outbreak we're going to be dealing with. Phew.

Those of us who can afford to practice social distancing really should, at the very least to respect the effort doctors and nurses are expending on the frontlines of this pandemic.

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« Reply #117 on: April 02, 2020, 09:14:50 AM »
The assembly ban here in Iceland has just been extended throughout April.

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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2020, 02:07:32 AM »
It’s just, barely, possible that the U.S. will adopt a more universal healthcare system, because “red” states will find themselves hammered, though a good several weeks after the blue states.

Someone's being generous and optimistic. Parts of my family still don't think this virus is anywhere near an issue and would probably sacrifice themselves and others to the market gods.

I'm hoping this pandemic makes society rethink traditional office work in favor of increased telework. And UBI. That's a thing, too, but perhaps a decade off from implementation. This will definitely shake up supply chains, labor, and land commodification will continue to increase into the hands of a few. Curious to see how far it goes, though.
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Re: The Virus thread
« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2020, 09:36:22 PM »
So what do those who fight tooth and nail against socialised healthcare think of getting free treatment? Have any of them insisted on paying yet? if not remind them when they are trying to block free healthcare for all in the future.