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Readers perfer authors of their own sex, yay or nay?

Yay
3 (10.7%)
Nay
4 (14.3%)
It depends (tell why, is it the genre for example?)
0 (0%)
I don't care about gender
21 (75%)

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2016, 11:09:28 AM »
An excellent and intelligent post as always by Jen so I don't have to reiterate anything she's said luckily. :D

However I realised a few years ago that I also didn't care about what gender authors were I was reading, so much so when I checked thoroughly I had read pitifully few female writers. So I actively look and read more female authors now, and try to end my year read books with a 50/50 balance.

Of the books (ignoring the comics I've read) so far this year I've read 6 by women and 6 by men (though I read two Marquez books so I've read 5 different male authors) and my current read and next book will be by men so I'll just balance that out after with some Robin Hobb and whatever else I haven't got to yet. :)

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2016, 11:14:04 AM »
An excellent and intelligent post as always by Jen so I don't have to reiterate anything she's said luckily. :D

However I realised a few years ago that I also didn't care about what gender authors were I was reading, so much so when I checked thoroughly I had read pitifully few female writers. So I actively look and read more female authors now, and try to end my year read books with a 50/50 balance.

Of the books (ignoring the comics I've read) so far this year I've read 6 by women and 6 by men (though I read two Marquez books so I've read 5 different male authors) and my current read and next book will be by men so I'll just balance that out after with some Robin Hobb and whatever else I haven't got to yet. :)

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2016, 11:40:49 AM »
I don't think you should feel guilty if you don't quite have a balance

I will try to recommend more women in recommendation threads that pop up but only if I think there are good like Rachael Bach.
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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2016, 11:41:48 AM »
I think you're being a tiny bit harsh, since JKRowling, Ursula Le Guin and Anne Rice are three monsters in the fantasy genre that you'd be recommended on if you walked into any decent library and demanded an overview of the genre.
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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2016, 03:47:03 PM »
as terrible as it sounds, i think it's all circling around the fact that chicks just don't dig fantasy.  that kinda limits the author pool.  which limits their visibility.  which limits their ceiling.

why?

the same reason they don't dig science or math.  society has been screwing with their heads for a few thousand years.  we HAVE to stop doing that.  man, if i had little girls instead of boys, they'd be FULL BLOWN NERDS -- and it'd be so awesome.

stupid society.

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speaking of, if anyone knows any badass female software engineers who want to move to san diego to work for disney, let me know.  if they're any good, i'll hire them in a heartbeat.  i'm tired of hanging out with a bunch of smelly old white dudes all the time.  just sayin'.

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2016, 04:53:40 PM »
You are doing a very big generalisation, right?
Or joking.
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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2016, 04:58:46 PM »
Uh huh, yeah.

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2016, 05:21:34 PM »
I'm not sure honestly. I don't think about the gender of the author when I read, I could care less. But as everyone else has said, I haven't found a female fantasy author, besides Robin Hobb, that I'm interested in reading at the moment. When I get through my list I may take a look at it, but I doubt it. I'm just going to be whatever I want, and if they happen to be by female authors that's great.

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2016, 05:22:01 PM »
We keep having this discussion under various titles.
Fantasy as a profession is dominated by women, the agents and editors you really want looking after your work for as a fantasy writer are women. They are in the business of selecting what sells and ensuring it is retailed in a form the is profitable for the publishing houses and the authors.

In 2014 the Guardian publishes an article based on subjective data collected in the least scientific way possible in a manner to suggest an outcome that fits its policies and bias. Doesn't matter whether its truth or fiction it aligns with what Guardian readers wish to read.

Today on the news it was announced that in the UK women make up 70% of the consumer market now so does that mean women buy nearly three quarters of all books bought?

As a reader I will read what I choose and do not worry about the sex of the author. What matters to me is do I enjoy the book.

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2016, 05:36:22 PM »
You are doing a very big generalisation, right?
Or joking.

it's a huge, very irritating generalization that -- as not only a software engineer, but a game developer -- has driven me crazy for years.  it's really, really frustrating to see my women developer friends get pigeon-holed and abused just because they're women.  we've started implementing a program in disney where hr has approached me to help mentor women in "traditional women roles" like marketing by cross-training them into software engineering.  the interest in the program has been amazing and we've had to turn away so many -- but it's a start.

if you want to see real and deep ugliness, just google "gamergate".  it'll make you feel like women fantasy writers are plentiful and respected.

so, no -- i am not joking.  it's an issue near and dear to my heart.  i've seen it from the inside and i will go to WAR over it.

yeah, jetpacking away before i get super-cranky is probably a good idea.

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2016, 05:36:34 PM »
Today on the news it was announced that in the UK women make up 70% of the consumer market now so does that mean women buy nearly three quarters of all books bought?

@Rostum

I think we need to attract more men and boys to read, I was lucky. I didn't find my love of books at school I actually disliked the books picked at school this could have put me off reading all together it was just by chance (a gift)  I found the Death gate Cycle by Weis & Hickman it was my first proper fantasy epic which lead me to Dragonlance and from there to other books.

How many people are put off reading by teachers who pick awful book to study/read?   
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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2016, 08:38:05 PM »
Quote
I think we need to attract more men and boys to read, I was lucky. I didn't find my love of books at school I actually disliked the books picked at school this could have put me off reading all together it was just by chance (a gift)  I found the Death gate Cycle by Weis & Hickman it was my first proper fantasy epic which lead me to Dragonlance and from there to other books.

How many people are put off reading by teachers who pick awful book to study/read?   

I think everyone should be encouraged to read what they want. Seems as though a lot who read not at all are keen to blame it on what they had to read at school but I dont subscibe to that point of view.
The reason I threw the 70% in there is it is current but useless information you may decide women buy more books based on that snippet and you may be correct, but there is no evidence from information given to support it and no reason why it should be the case.

Game of Thrones seems to be read by everyone into fantasy. Twilight less so by men and not by anyone discerning of their horror/supernatural reading. I don't believe the sex of the author relevent. I have never read any of the Harry Potter series or seen the films as my daughter just was not interested and have no inclination to do so, but that has nothing to do with the authours sex. The sprogs favorite books are Joe Abercrombies Half A.... trilogy, but I suspect only until she gets her hands on first law. Should I point her at unicorns, dragons
and magic ponies or let her get on with it?

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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2016, 08:46:43 PM »
As long as there reading and enjoying whatever story its all good, it disappoints me that people have never found that book which got us into the love of books never to pick any book up.
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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2016, 12:18:44 AM »
This survey proves you wrong, m3m, taken on 5.000 SFF readers, at Q13, you'll see that 59% identify as females.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-GVMWM5Q8/

Women may read more than males. That wouldn't surprise me.

But I find odd, the very idea that school reading could put anyone off reading. I mean, for me reading started before I can remember, with stories read to me at bed time. Then as soon as I could read by myself, with learning to read books and image books.
After that my dad and step mom had to establish a curfew, 9pm every night, or else I'd read through the night, which I often did anyway, and is how I devoured the LOTR when eleven, and the Harry Potter books after that.

I was often discontent with the books that school had us read, but most ended up catching me, and I've become quite a fan of Chateaubriand, Kafka, or Zweig, thanks to those books, and I'd never have picked them up myself without these classes.

I'm always puzzled by people who don't read, and somehow always assume that people who do read have been doing so since forever, unless told otherwise. But I've met probably just as many women as men who don't read, even a few taking almost pride in that respect.  :-\
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Re: Readers prefer authors of their own sex, survey finds
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2016, 02:13:13 AM »
@m3mnoch, are you lamenting the anti-women toxicity of certain fields, or suggesting that women don't like those fields for reasons other than the way they are treated within them? Because I suspect it's the former, but some of your comments could be construed as the latter.

I know a lot of women who studied and loved the sciences - from maths and computer engineering through to biology and chemistry - and very few of them now work in "hard" science (some of them work in science-related fields, like intellectual property, or lab supply, or science-related communications). In almost every case, the bias against women in the behaviour of their superiors, colleagues and the general industry contributed to their leaving the industry. They got out of the lab because everyone else in the lab - sometimes even other women - was telling them they didn't belong there, whether explicitly or implicitly (through making it a masculine environment and suggesting the women needed to be ok with that or leave - "this is just how we do things here, we don't mean anything by it, it's just a joke" etc).

Similarly, statistics show that over 50% of people who play computer games are female. We just don't talk - about playing, or in-game while playing - because to identify ourselves in that environment just leads to a barrage of insults, lewd demands, or other harassment. Indeed, a lot of us take our interest in games away from massive multiplayer anythings and into game styles where we're going to get less nonsense. That doesn't make us any less gamers.

When it comes to fantasy fiction, I wonder if it's a combination self-fulfilling prophecy and vicious cycle - it's perceived that women don't like epic fantasy, so the stories that are published are about men, so women go looking elsewhere (like paranormal romance, or other subgenres that I often see being called "not real fantasy") for stories about women, so the statistics say that women don't read epic fantasy... QED, right?

I mean, I love epic fantasy, but I am so bored of reading about big manly men swinging swords for manly heroic reasons. In the survey at the top of this thread, I ticked "I don't care about gender", because I don't. But I do want to read stories about women, and it has often been the case that those are more likely to be written by women. And sometimes this means I'm reading YA fantasy - a genre dominated by female authors.