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Offline Caith

Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3630 on: July 01, 2020, 05:33:50 PM »
I'm actually a big fan of capitalism, provided it is the servant of the common good and not a tool used by the 1% to wage class war on the rest of us.
I'm a big fan of leopards, just not of those who eat our faces? ;) (Sorry but did the "servant of the common good" part ever exist?)


As Cupi said, it's all about regulation. Unchecked capitalism will destroy this world and everything on it.

Leopards got to eat, same as everything else ;) Good cartoon, by the way. Did the servant of the common good part ever exist? Well, what did the Romans ever do for us? I mean apart from roads, wine, aqueducts, plumbing...

Seriously though, in the West, the so called 'Golden Age of Capitalism', from the end of WW2 to the early Seventies, saw better growth and more equal distribution of wealth than the period from 1980 to present and at the same time had all the things that today's right wing fruit loops despise, like strong unions, government economic interventions, high taxes, moderate inflation and  increasing environmental protections.

I'm not saying capitalism is the solution to all problems, but it can be made to work for the common good, if suitably controlled (or regulated) :)


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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3631 on: July 01, 2020, 09:23:57 PM »
Sorry Magnus should I speak exclusively to you, or answer posts, am I obliged in any way to do so?
Around dealing with my 48-hour minimum working week and moving my daughter back in I am finding myself lacking the energy and the time. Here you go I was only going to get some sleep anyway.

You have no obligation towards me or to keep participating here. I reacted because you chose to participate without addressing any of the statements I made, but instead went on to make new claims or repeat your old ones. If you simply decided you didn't have time and stopped participating, that's one thing. But you keep repeating your claims instead of discussing them. That appears disingenuous and makes it seem like you're only here to lecture people. A discussion goes two ways.

Yes I am totally misrepresenting BLM who are in no way burning American cities at present looting businesses actively creating no police zones which are now the most dangerous real estate in America per capita. I guess the BLM 'what we believe' is an alt right page then. If you choose not to accept what you read that's up to you.

The protests have been going on for over a month now. Yes, there was destruction at first. But for the past three weeks it has been mostly peaceful. People are still marching every day, but the news doesn't cover continuous peaceful protests. And a lot of the violence was clearly initiated and/or escalated by the police. I'm not saying the BLM protestors are wholly innocent, but by no measure of things is the sum of the situation that they were or are "burning American cities".

I read and commented on the BLM page you linked. It simply doesn't say what you claim it does. If you believe it does, I don't know where to go from there.

The incidence of single parent black families in America is about a quarter higher than in white families. Yet BLM want to abolish the nuclear family for everyone. Lets drag everyone down to the same level is not a policy I subscribe to.

There you go, making that same claim, using that same word: abolish, even though that's not what the page says. That's why I reacted. I've made no statement, positive or negative, about the nuclear family and/or single-parent families; I don't know enough about that to have an opinion. I just take issue with your repeated and obvious misrepresentation of their stance.

https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/

A fantastic list of demands but not a word about maybe black people not brutalizing each other. After all if you are black you are 11 times more likely to be killed by a black man than a white man in the USA but don't let that awkward fact get in the way.

Your forced focus on that one thing is pulling attention away from a subject that is way, way bigger. And I guess you didn't read a word I wrote about the black-on-black violence; the statistics have problems because of layers of bias. But even if those statistics were correct, does that mean you think that's the only reason black people in the US have problems? That none of the other things mentioned are worth considering? That seems a very narrow take on a big issue. "Blacks are killing blacks therefore nothing else matters."

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From here: "The director would also oversee a Division of Law Enforcement Services, which would still have its own director and still include licensed police officers."

I've done some reading on Sowell; he appears to agree with a lot of what you're saying. I find it's better to read material by people who disagree with me when I'm trying to challenge my own preconceptions. I also found some claims that some of his studies had problems, but I don't know how serious that is. If you can point me to specific articles that would be good. Perhaps then you could also read the articles I posted on the problems with the statistics of black-on-black violence.

All in all, I'm arguing against some of the generalised statements you've made about the BLM movement, but I understand that any movement that grows so quickly and enfolds so many people is going to have flaws. I don't claim that everyone in BLM is a saint and that there's no corruption; I think when big money and a lot of people are involved there will always be problems. But I also think you have a skewed picture of the movement based on biased sources of information.
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3632 on: July 01, 2020, 11:48:46 PM »
You are missing the point. When any organization is in effect taking money from businesses as were gild the federal authorities will step in protection rackets are their game after all. When an organization feels it can make demands of an elected government it will be dismantled and that process will not be pretty.

Mayor of Seattle Jenny Durkin who thought BLM and Antifa were allies, if not friends found out the hard way when a mob turned up at her private residence to make their demands (their words) Terrorists and kidnappers make demands everyone else negotiates. Due to this intimidation she finally woke up and had the CHAZ/CHOP cleared today after a week in which 5 black men were shot and two killed including the 16 year old boy likely executed by CHAZ security after be shot and wounded by them this morning. 

Whether she realizes it or not she is now unelectable. So she goes and the Dems find a replacement to stand or she stays and loses. Pandering to the mob never ends well for those in authority.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3633 on: July 02, 2020, 08:23:28 AM »
You are missing the point.

When I find something wrong with your statements, you say the discussion is really about something else. It's not strange that I'm missing the point if the point is something new every time you write.

When any organization is in effect taking money from businesses as were gild the federal authorities will step in protection rackets are their game after all.

I have trouble following this statement. What are you saying? That BLM is a racket? You'd need a whole lot more than some quick factoids about their funding to back that up.

When an organization feels it can make demands of an elected government it will be dismantled and that process will not be pretty.

What? How does that make any kind of sense? Lots of institutions, individual citizens, groups, and organisations make demands on a democratic government on a daily basis: unions, corporations, the justice system, etc. There's nothing inherently bad about that fact; it's how democracy works. Whether or not individual demands are justified or will be met is a whole other matter.

Mayor of Seattle Jenny Durkin who thought BLM and Antifa were allies, if not friends found out the hard way when a mob turned up at her private residence to make their demands (their words) Terrorists and kidnappers make demands everyone else negotiates. Due to this intimidation she finally woke up and had the CHAZ/CHOP cleared today after a week in which 5 black men were shot and two killed including the 16 year old boy likely executed by CHAZ security after be shot and wounded by them this morning. 

Whether she realizes it or not she is now unelectable. So she goes and the Dems find a replacement to stand or she stays and loses. Pandering to the mob never ends well for those in authority.

You keep doing this. You pick something new to indignantly point at and say "but what about this!?", diverting attention from the fact that you haven't responded to half of the problems that were pointed out with your previous statements.
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3634 on: July 02, 2020, 08:33:18 AM »
@Caith got another cartoon you may like!

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3635 on: July 02, 2020, 09:22:57 AM »
@Caith got another cartoon you may like!



That was amazing. And now I want to read a story about people getting attacked by time-travelling socialists.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3636 on: July 02, 2020, 05:40:10 PM »
So Ghislane Maxwell has been found and arrested. Finally.

Sure hope she doesn't get suicided, so some justice can be done. The A-list perverts she and Epstein set up with underage girls need to be exposed.
I'll notify your next of kin... that you sucked!

Offline Caith

Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3637 on: July 04, 2020, 09:59:49 AM »
@Caith got another cartoon you may like!



That was amazing. And now I want to read a story about people getting attacked by time-travelling socialists.

Forget the story! I want a Netflix series! Attack of the Time-Travelling Socialists! You know its a winner.

Thanks Xiagan. I love cartoons. Check out First Dog on the Moon, over on The Guardian website. Its brilliant.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3639 on: July 09, 2020, 09:51:24 PM »
USA will announce tariffs on French goods tomorrow, in retaliation for France's digital services tax

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-france-digital/u-s-to-announce-but-defer-retaliation-over-french-digital-tax-ustr-idUSKBN24A377?il=0

Offline hexa

Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3640 on: July 10, 2020, 10:59:10 PM »
American tariffs target French cosmetics, handbags, and soap

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/u-s-targets-soap-but-not-wine-in-counter-to-french-digital-tax-1.1463774

By the way, the United Kingdom is also considering a digital services tax, so there could be a trade dispute between the USA and the UK

Offline Rostum

Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3641 on: July 11, 2020, 05:00:17 AM »
Yup but it is only a negotiating position in the UK sadly no one seriously expects to get anything out of Facebook, Twitter etc. Despite a business model that stifles competition, avoids tax and stops development in tech.

 

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3642 on: July 15, 2020, 10:11:59 PM »

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #3644 on: July 16, 2020, 01:32:29 PM »
Looks like a bitcoin scam and more like social engineering than hacking. I predict the sacking of a number of media assistants too stupid to realise what their job actually entails.