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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #315 on: January 26, 2016, 06:14:19 PM »
Heard an interesting interview this morning on Public Radio with one of the Koch brothers. For Non-'Mercans, the Koch brothers are owners of the largest privately owned company in the U.S. (Koch Industries) and huge money men behind ultra-conservative politicians and policy think tanks. They are heroes to the right (mostly) and just the other side of Sauron to the left. They require fealty to their positions, or they will go after establish politicians with all the $billions at their disposal.

This particular brother explained their view that government and elected officials have enormous and growing power to influence elections, and therefore their billions are an important counter-weight. What power does government have to influence elections? The power of wealth redistribution. People will vote for the politicians that buy their votes - whether with corporate tax breaks or personal income (welfare, subsidies, tax deductions, etc.).

There was nothing particularly surprising in the interview, but it did put a voice to the name I've been hearing in the press for some years now.

I do have to say that I personally struggle with the balance between individual freedom and communal solidarity.

I do not struggle with the balance between arrogant, ignorant, insulting (Trump & Cruz) and relatively polite, thoughtful (Clinton, Sanders and others).
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #316 on: January 26, 2016, 07:04:43 PM »
The question with a Trump nomination is what happen to the Republican ticket downstream.  It's one thing to throw in the towel on the presidency but how many anti-Trump voters come out and how much would they sway the Republican majorities in Congress (and not to mention any affects on local races)?

man, but i would love that.  we *really* need to get rid of stupid gerrymandering.  let the voters pick their representatives instead of the representatives picking their voters.


From across the pond Bernie looks the most reasonable.

yah.  as a betting man, i think he's probably going to be the next president.


Meanwhile, I'm actually starting to think Bernie might have legs. (Not that I'm ready to vote for him.) Trump can't really attack him personally from what I can see.

the establishment right is excited to run against bernie.  they just want to throw the socialist label at him like it's disqualification dust.

not super sure they've been paying attention to popular opinion for the last 8 years.  all the angry people slinging terms like 'socialist' are already going to be voting for trump no matter what.  they also didn't vote for gay marriage.  and they think planned parenthood sells baby parts.  they're not voting democrat regardless.

some of my more thoughtful, lifelong republican friends are of the mind sanders will be the one who does the least damage to our country.


There is no way Sanders can get through all that he wants to with a Republican Congress and I think Clinton could fight them on a policy front better.

this is absolutely true.  but, do we want more fighting?  don't we want reasoned discourse instead of congressmen standing up and shouting "liar!"


This particular brother explained their view that government and elected officials have enormous and growing power to influence elections, and therefore their billions are an important counter-weight. What power does government have to influence elections? The power of wealth redistribution. People will vote for the politicians that buy their votes - whether with corporate tax breaks or personal income (welfare, subsidies, tax deductions, etc.).

the citizen united ruling and gerrymandering are without any doubt the two largest problems in american politics.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #317 on: January 26, 2016, 09:03:38 PM »
This particular brother explained their view that government and elected officials have enormous and growing power to influence elections, and therefore their billions are an important counter-weight. What power does government have to influence elections? The power of wealth redistribution. People will vote for the politicians that buy their votes - whether with corporate tax breaks or personal income (welfare, subsidies, tax deductions, etc.).

Shouldn't my representatives "buy" my vote and the others in my community by working on policies that will improve our quality of life?  Reasonable minds can differ what those policies should be but a politician should listen to what their constituency wants rather than some extremely rich people who don't live in the area.  I get the whole freedom of speech argument with campaign financing but really all of the money comes ends up neutering the voices of the common person.

There is no way Sanders can get through all that he wants to with a Republican Congress and I think Clinton could fight them on a policy front better.

this is absolutely true.  but, do we want more fighting?  don't we want reasoned discourse instead of congressmen standing up and shouting "liar!"

Reasoned discourse?  In Congress?  That's not happening for a long long time.  Until we can get a point in time where things become less polarized and both sides can compromise better you will need a strong executive who can cut through it all to get things done. 

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #318 on: January 26, 2016, 09:47:24 PM »
I just find it funny that lots of people who support Sanders are the same ones that turn around and say, "The government is corrupt! They're evil! Justice for blah blah blah and blah blah blah! Evil government!" Sanders comes around. "Yes! More government control! Let's do it!"
And then you have what's happening on the other side. Obama comes around in 2009. "There's no solid proof he was born on American soil. Get him out! No person not born in America shall be president. It is against our constitution!" Cruz comes around. "Yes! So what that he even admits he was born in Canada and is violating the constitution. We love him! It's our turn to break the rules!"
So, let's see. We have a socialist who will give the government more power, when everyone argues that the government has too much power and doesn't know what to do with it. We have the politician whose accused of... treason isn't it? We have the guy who lots of people hate because one, the media misquotes him, and two, he doesn't have anyone edit his speeches and says whatever he's thinking. Which, by the way, only helps him. Trump will completely change if he wins the nomination. Then there's the one who violates the constitution if he becomes president. Good start country.
And yet, all four of those are who we want in power in America?
The saddest part? People who are for or against these politicians have no clue what they're talking about. How many people hate Trump because of how he's performed during the debates, instead of some news headline? How many people have actually watched the democratic debates and heard what these people have to say? Not many on either side.
I can say this. Have I watched any of the democratic debates? Not past a few minutes, and what I heard was enough for me. When Sanders said global warming was the cause of ISIS, I backed out. I already knew I wasn't going for Clinton because of the whole dynasty thing. I will admit I should have watched more, but that's said and done.
With the Republican debates, I've watched around two. Based on what I've seen, I've formed an educated opinion on who I would like, and it makes sense to me.
Most people haven't watched either, and yet they'll go out and vote based on what comes up on their twitter feed and YouTube. Again, good job America. All this while completely ignoring local elections, except for whose running for which party. People like to place blame on so many things for why this country is falling apart. "Oh, it's all this President's fault." "It's politicians like these who ruin our country." "It's those damn republicans or those damn liberals!" You know whose fault it really is? Ours.
I had a conversation with a friend of mine the other day about this organization I'm apart of. He said he refused to take part in it because we were crazy. When I explained to him that you're only going to see the radicals, he still refused to get involved, saying there's just too many problems that need to be fixed. If you want to fix something, you have to become apart of it first. Standing on the sidelines and only stepping up when you have to, or making uninformed decisions because that's no better than staying out of it, hurts more than it helps. There's also getting involved locally. "Oh, but I can't do it. I'm not qualified. I don't know enough. I don't... I just... La la la." You certainly thought you knew enough about it when you were telling me all the problems with the establishment. You thought you knew enough about it when you sent five or six tweets, giving me all the reasons for why it sucks and what needs to be fixed. So why won't you step up in your community? Or, why not do something small by making informed decisions, like watching debates or looking up what these people have to say? There websites can tell you a whole lot about them. "Oh no, I don't have time. I have to take care of the kids, work, eat..." Really? Because you're sitting here tweeting. You're sitting here having this conversation with me. You're sitting here googling if dogs have a sense of time. And you're telling me you don't have time for it?
No. What you're really telling me is this. "I just want to feel apart of something. I want to be in the crowds full of the rest of the people who don't know what they're talking about. I want to be able to participate in political conversations, so I can look like I did my research and can sound awesome. I really don't care what happens outside of a political discussion and voting day. What I really care about is if I'm having pizza or chicken for dinner. Or watching this anime that I need to catch up on. Yes, these are the priorities in my life."
I don't claim to have sat down and done hours of political research. I don't claim to be completely educated on the politics of this country. But maybe, just maybe, if I took one day, just one day, out of the month to sit down and check things out, I could make an even more informed decision, thus bettering this country.
At this point, I'm just thankful for those who have watched at least one debate, no matter which side. It seems that's almost too much to ask for this country.
Also, if you feel like I'm targeting you personally, I assure you that's not the case. If so, I would've quoted it, or at the very least mentioned a name. This is just how I feel.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #319 on: January 26, 2016, 09:55:10 PM »
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #320 on: January 26, 2016, 11:45:29 PM »
We have the guy who lots of people hate because one, the media misquotes him, and two, he doesn't have anyone edit his speeches and says whatever he's thinking. Which, by the way, only helps him.

the media doesn't misquote him -- they don't have to.  his own commercials say ridiculous things like he's going to cut the head off isis and take their oil.  he's simply batshit crazy or ignorant.

and, no.  these are bad things.  rational people don't want someone in office, talking to our allies or enemies who starts wars with everyone he speaks to.  that's why the national review took out that massive hit piece on him -- he's hijacking the republican party by pandering to basest parts of the base.


Trump will completely change if he wins the nomination.

um.  probably not.  one of two things will happen.

a) he changes course to the middle -- that means he rolls back his core platform ideas to build a wall, ban muslims, take syria's oil, deport everyone -- all those impossible-to-execute-on promises.  then, he doesn't get elected because he's the biggest liar on the planet and anyone remotely waffling on voting for him doesn't.  drifting to the middle for general elections requires having put forth ideas that are less concrete so you can walk them back and still have them make sense.

b) he keeps on keeping on and gets 30% of the popular vote.


The saddest part? People who are for or against these politicians have no clue what they're talking about. How many people hate Trump because of how he's performed during the debates, instead of some news headline? How many people have actually watched the democratic debates and heard what these people have to say? Not many on either side.

it depends on what you consider not many.  the debates have drawn record numbers of people this year.  anywhere from 8-16 million apiece.

personally, i've watched the debates for decades -- including the three i've watched this season, two republicans and one democrat.  the republicans arguing was far more mudslinging hyperbole fit for reality tv than i could believe.  the first one i watched, open-mouthed.  the second, for popcorn consumption.


I can say this. Have I watched any of the democratic debates? Not past a few minutes, and what I heard was enough for me. When Sanders said global warming was the cause of ISIS, I backed out. I already knew I wasn't going for Clinton because of the whole dynasty thing. I will admit I should have watched more, but that's said and done.

couple things.

1) i don't understand this.  how can you turn the debate off after only a few moments?  was it too boring?  were there not enough calls to carpet bomb syria?  listening to and understanding the background and nuances of the other side is too hard?  are you not interested in hearing thoughts that don't comply to your world view?

2) at first, i also thought the climate-change-isis link was absurd.  then, i saw this sweet comic talking about it.  i'm not sure how your reader will do with it, but it sounds like your mom is really good at describing these sorts of things to you -- it's super interesting geopolitical information, even if you don't buy it for the tenuous explanation.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/syria-climate-years-living-dangerously-symbolia


With the Republican debates, I've watched around two. Based on what I've seen, I've formed an educated opinion on who I would like, and it makes sense to me.

i also find this interesting since the fact checkers had a field day with it.  i truly hope it wasn't an education from the candidates, but from looking up how crazy their statements were later.

i mean, they made ron paul look like an absolute pillar of sanity.


I don't claim to have sat down and done hours of political research. I don't claim to be completely educated on the politics of this country. But maybe, just maybe, if I took one day, just one day, out of the month to sit down and check things out, I could make an even more informed decision, thus bettering this country.

good on you for being more involved.  hopefully, you're bringing to bear full reason and not blind devotion.  look at data, not anecdote.  think, don't feel.  strong, well-reasoned debate is badass.  unlike most people, i love having my world view evolve because of new information.  makes me feel like i have a greater understanding of things -- from the more directions, the better.

finally, something i've learned over the years:  the world is complicated and full of nuanced gray -- not black or white.  simple solutions do not work because all the easy problems of our civilization have already been solved.  anyone who tries to sell you an answer starting with "can't you just..." or "all you have to do is..." doesn't understand the full extent of the problem space.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #321 on: January 27, 2016, 01:49:26 AM »
We have the politician whose accused of... treason isn't it? We have the guy who lots of people hate because one, the media misquotes him, and two, he doesn't have anyone edit his speeches and says whatever he's thinking. Which, by the way, only helps him. Trump will completely change if he wins the nomination.

Ultament, maybe I should provide some examples as to why I think Trump is a poor candidate for political office in the United States, instead of just mentioning it. Keep in mind, no one is "mis-quoting" Trump in these ... these are his own words, unfiltered.

No one is smearing Trump or trying to make him look bad. He really is just an idiot, but he's an idiot who has a huge microphone and makes idiotic and/or flat out dangerous statements that are inspiring the most angry and hateful among Americans to lash out in all sorts of ways. Even Fox News, one of the most conservative outlets in America, which otherwise always marches lockstop with Republicans, has united against him.

Hell, even the National Review doesn't like the guy, and they united some of the most conservative people in the US to say why he shouldn't get the Republican nomination.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination

This is the man who wants to be the President of the United States.

Let's get started.


Trump doesn't understand foreign policy or much of anything, honestly, and encourages blind racism.

Trump kicks off his campaign with the ridiculous claim that the majority of Mexican immigrants are rapists, and then doubles down on it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/06/25/exp-presidential-candidate-donald-trump-immigration-intv-erin.cnn

Trump continues to make idiotic speeches about "banning Muslims from entering the US", because he doesn't understand that won't do anything to stop terrorism, and then, as predicted by many, his ignorant statements are perfect for ISIS propaganda videos.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/02/middleeast/al-shabaab-video-trump/

Trump lavishes praise on Vladimir Putin, despite the fact that Putin is alleged to kill journalists and political opponents.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/donald-trump-praises-defends-vladimir-putin/


Speaking of saying idiotic things, Trump makes ridiculous statements all the time.

Below are his exact words. No one is misquoting him.
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/

Trump apparently thinks he can just force companies to move all their manufacturing locally, despite the fact that that's not possible.
"We're going to get Apple to build their damn computers and things in this country instead of other countries."
http://gizmodo.com/trump-says-he-will-force-apple-to-manufacture-in-the-us-1753626111

Trump complains that American football has "gone soft" because of increasing awareness of concussions due to tackles and rules to limit them.
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-football-has-gone-soft-america-413769

Trump has this idiotic belief that we'll build a wall and force Mexico to pay for it, even though that will never, ever happen.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-border-wall-immigration-plan-mexico-pay/


Trump endorses violence against protestors who attend his rallies.

After his supporters knock down and attack a peaceful protestor at one of his rallies, Trump says "Maybe he should have been roughed up."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/

Trump encouraging security to seize the coats of protestor and shove them out into freezing weather.
"Don't give him his coat! Keep his coat. Confiscate his coat. You know it's about 10 degrees below zero outside ... Keep his coat. Tell him we'll send it to him in a couple weeks."
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/08/donald-trump-burlington-vermont-bernie-sanders-home-turf

Trump encourages supporters to tear up protestor's signs and boot them from the rally.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2016/01/06/watch-donald-trump-supporters-tear-america-already-great-sign-lowell-rally/yECI0u6k6x8p4USCnlY99L/story.html


Trump's idiotic statments inspire people to do idiotic things, and he doesn't seem to care.

Trump inspires supporters to blind racism against Muslims.
"You have a bomb, you have a bomb."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/donald-trump-muslim-woman-protesting-ejected/

As mentioned elsewhere, Trump inspires blind racism against many, including African Americans.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-audience-member-yells-nazi-salute-protester-removed-las-vegas-n480056

Trump inspires two men to beat up a homeless man.
Although he did say the beat was terrible, he also said "I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country, they want this country to be great again."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/politics/donald-trump-immigration-boston-beating/

Trump's words encourage his supports to attack Muslims, oh and also Sikhs, who aren't Muslims, because his supporters can't tell the difference.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world/sikh-man-forced-out-of-trump-rally-for-carrying-stop-hate-banner/story-P7BeegtCHlFTanx5l4XBvM.html


A number of the United States' close allies think Trump is dangerous and promoting hate speech.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/18/europe/uk-parliament-debates-trump-ban/


Oh, and he's just generally an asshole.

Trump revokes medical care for a sick baby to punish his older brother in a family feud, despite still being filthy rich.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-revoke-cut-off-child-medical-bills-family-feud-a6795131.html


Normally, I try to keep my politics to myself because most of the time, all it does is inspire useless online arguments that won't change anyone's mind and just cause strife. However, Trump is enough of a problem that I'm willing to say "No, this man should not be President" and if you disagree, come at me. :)

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #322 on: January 27, 2016, 03:04:20 AM »
First, let me make one thing clear. I don't think Trump should be president.
But... One of the definite examples of him being misquoted.
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
I watched the video where he said this, because the headline caught me off guard. I wanted to see if that's what he actually said.
The media left out these three key words. "The polls say..."
That's not the first time it's happened either. While I can't provide numerous examples of it because I haven't watched every single one of these events(it just gives him more attention), the media has waged war on him. Does he make it easy for them? Sure. Like I said, he says whatever he thinks, and has no one edit his speeches. But just think on this. Why would the media, or the republican party, want someone who isn't a politician to enter their ranks?
They don't. It breaks their system. So, if you can spark up a few headlines that curve people's opinion as to what they should think, and keep flooding people with anything you can, no one will take the time to listen to what he has to say. That's why Ben Carson is also misquoted so much. They feed him questions at debates, and he corrects them on what he actually said. And he's not lying from what I can tell. But still. Make him look like the crazy Christian guy who has family values that don't fit into most modern TV shows, then you win again.
It's all about manipulation and making sure things are seen through a filter. That's why I will vote for someone who isn't a politician. Because that's exactly what the system doesn't want me to do. And, under no circumstances will I vote for anyone with a family member who has been in office before. Ever.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #323 on: January 27, 2016, 05:14:31 AM »
First, let me make one thing clear. I don't think Trump should be president.

Well, that's a relief :)

But... One of the definite examples of him being misquoted.
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
I watched the video where he said this, because the headline caught me off guard. I wanted to see if that's what he actually said.
The media left out these three key words. "The polls say..."

Well, note that category I put that under. He says idiotic things. Adding the words "The polls say..." doesn't make that statement any less stupid. Also, he still said those other idiotic things. Just because the media left out a few words in one of my examples doesn't invalidate the others examples. :0

Yes, presidents have speechwriters, but at some point, a president has to be able to study and understand policy, and coherently articulate points. Trump doesn't do that, and he hasn't shown me anywhere that he's capable of that. He is capable of figuring out what pisses people off, and using that to get votes, however.

What I've seen him do repeatedly is whip up the support of disaffected people by saying whatever he thinks will make them the most upset. Focus their anger about whatever upsets them. He absolutely knows that if he says "all immigrants are rapists" there's a subset of voters who are going to support him. If he says "all Muslims are terrorists" there's another subset who suddenly rally to his side. What Trump either doesn't understand (or more likely, doesn't care about) is that when you whip up blind hatred against any racial group, you are the one motivating people to commit acts of hate.

Hence, why those two idiots beat up a homeless man. And why his supporters are shouting "burn the n****r!" at a black man, and "you've got a bomb!" at a Muslim woman, at his rallies. Why they are knocking down peaceful protestors and assaulting them, which Trump then follows up with "Well, maybe he deserved it". Basically, Trump is instigating racial hatred to try to get himself more votes.

I don't care whether you are a political insider or the outsidery-ist political outsider man ever. Drumming up racist hatred to get yourself supporters is not okay.

That's not the first time it's happened either. While I can't provide numerous examples of it because I haven't watched every single one of these events(it just gives him more attention), the media has waged war on him. Does he make it easy for them? Sure. Like I said, he says whatever he thinks, and has no one edit his speeches. But just think on this. Why would the media, or the republican party, want someone who isn't a politician to enter their ranks?

An outsider is great. A race-baiting ignoramus is not the answer here, however.

They don't. It breaks their system. So, if you can spark up a few headlines that curve people's opinion as to what they should think, and keep flooding people with anything you can, no one will take the time to listen to what he has to say. That's why Ben Carson is also misquoted so much. They feed him questions at debates, and he corrects them on what he actually said. And he's not lying from what I can tell. But still. Make him look like the crazy Christian guy who has family values that don't fit into most modern TV shows, then you win again.

I'm not actually sure what my worries about Trump have to do with Ben Carson. Other a few mildly ridiculous statements, Carson hasn't really done anything that's struck me as any different than the standard politician. He's certainly not going the race-baiting route of Donald Trump.

It's all about manipulation and making sure things are seen through a filter. That's why I will vote for someone who isn't a politician. Because that's exactly what the system doesn't want me to do. And, under no circumstances will I vote for anyone with a family member who has been in office before. Ever.

That's a noble approach, and I think you should vote for whoever you think will do the job best. But in your post, you characterized Trump in a way that made me worry you weren't really aware of how he has run his campaign, or how he has been doing all he can to bring out the worst in Americans of all stripes in order to prop it up. He's not just "mischaracterized by the media" and he's not simply a target of "media warfare". He is genuinely doing things that are harmful to this country, regardless of your political affiliation. That's not a media filter, and that's not media manipulation. That's a fact, as I've illustrated with these links.

I thought it appropriate to point out why I think he's a terrible influence in US politics right now, rather than just saying "Well, I don't like Trump".
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #324 on: January 27, 2016, 10:44:41 PM »
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
I watched the video where he said this, because the headline caught me off guard. I wanted to see if that's what he actually said.
The media left out these three key words. "The polls say..."

sticking my nose in here to disagree.

the fully video:
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/

"the polls say" is his interpretation of the polls.  it's the same thing as saying "i think" in your writing.  it's not some other person talking that he's quoting.  rephrased, the exact same meaning:  "my voters are so loyal that my interpretation of the polls shows i could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose any of my voters."

so, no.  he's not being misquoted in that instance.  not at all.

even if you don't take the literal quote, both the context and spirit of what he's bragging about is that he thinks his poll numbers are so high and his voters are so loyal that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose voters.  he thinks that.  he said that.  he's not parroting someone else's thoughts.

a misquote would be something along the lines of "trump thinks about shooting someone on fifth avenue to show he wouldn't lose voters."  that context is different because he's not actually contemplating shooting someone in his original remarks.  he's merely acting like a shitty human being.

because that's the thing about trump -- you don't need to misquote him.  bending his words is not necessary.  he's like chris christie on steroids.

once this is all said and done, all of these videos will make it into university political science curriculum forever.  under the heading "business is different than politics in that bad publicity is not good publicity."

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #325 on: January 28, 2016, 07:50:42 AM »
Like every year we choose between the lesser of two evils. Have fun voting. I'll be staying home without a care in the world.
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #326 on: January 28, 2016, 07:56:48 AM »
Trump said in an interview that Brussels is hell on earth.
In the same comment he says last time he was in Brussels was 20 years ago and that he had a good time. He's never been to Brussels since.
What does he base himself on to make his initial claim then?  :o

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #327 on: January 28, 2016, 08:36:20 AM »
Trump said in an interview that Brussels is hell on earth.
In the same comment he says last time he was in Brussels was 20 years ago and that he had a good time. He's never been to Brussels since.
What does he base himself on to make his initial claim then?  :o
I believe his primary source is where he pulls the vast majority of his statements from. His ass.
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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #328 on: January 28, 2016, 08:54:13 AM »
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Trump said in an interview that Brussels is hell on earth.
In the same comment he says last time he was in Brussels was 20 years ago and that he had a good time. He's never been to Brussels since.
What does he base himself on to make his initial claim then?

Well at least he is aware that Brussels exists and has an opinion which is more than 90% of Americans. He is wrong Heathrow is hell on earth. I suspect he is refering to the administerative centre of the EU. You know them nasty people who interfere whith him building in nature reserves and the like.

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Re: Politics and other ailments of the real world
« Reply #329 on: January 28, 2016, 12:56:57 PM »
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Trump said in an interview that Brussels is hell on earth.
In the same comment he says last time he was in Brussels was 20 years ago and that he had a good time. He's never been to Brussels since.
What does he base himself on to make his initial claim then?

Well at least he is aware that Brussels exists and has an opinion which is more than 90% of Americans. He is wrong Heathrow is hell on earth. I suspect he is refering to the administerative centre of the EU. You know them nasty people who interfere whith him building in nature reserves and the like.

You are wrong in that JFK is hell on earth. 

Actually I'm wrong as well, all airports are hell on earth.