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Art vs Artist
« on: January 28, 2020, 09:14:41 PM »
So does the distinction matter to you?

The internet is rampant with discussions on Kobe's legacy...Basketball hero or a rapist villain?

Lots of famous personalities, movie stars, artists have done some despicable stuff in real life...does this factor into your enjoyment of the books/tv/sports for the person? I've known people who have boycotted stuff and others who simply don't care as art is different from artist.

What say you?
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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2020, 10:07:28 PM »
I would never read Marion Zimmer Bradley no matter how good her novels are


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley

I don’t think anyone knows Kobe outside America , what is his legacy?

Orson Scott Card I wouldn’t read either


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/16/ender-s-game-orson-scott-card-essay-obama-hitler

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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2020, 10:16:22 PM »
He was accused of rape but didn't get tried as women refused to testify (got death threats and like) and finally settled out of court. Has had an extramarital relationship too. But also came across as a good father and had excellent relationship with his kids. Reconciled with his wife too.
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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #3 on: Today at 01:06:24 AM »
I have very high standards for the personal behaviour of very well-known sports stars, because they function as role models, and they need to act like it. When you add to that that there's a very complicated power dynamic in operation with male sports stars in our society (for many reasons, it is very difficult for a woman to say no in the first place, let alone bring charges later) the whole thing becomes very easily problematic, and I want to see sports stars making public statements, even if they settle quietly out of court.

Am I being harsh, when it's sometimes very young men suddenly thrust into a wild situation of fame and perks? Yes. But they need better role models to help them know how to act in these situations... so they have to BE those role models.

I tend to take a similar view of artists of any kind who have a significant profile. You cast a shadow - you have to decide, actively and thoughtfully, what that shadow is going to be. And if an author has a dodgy reputation, and there are situations in their books that might or might not be dodgy, I'm going to think they're probably dodgy. If they have a really dodgy reputation, I might look at the book far more closely in terms of is-this-dodgy. That's just the shadow that's being cast.

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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #4 on: Today at 04:23:31 AM »
Not an issue for me. I've read some history books written by some very unpleasant people. I've read primary sources written by some even more unpleasant people. I'm quite certain I've read and enjoyed books written by people who took their secrets to the grave.

I'm not going to refuse to read something just because I happen to know something about that person, whereas I'm willing to read another even though I know nothing about them.

The only way to hold a consistent position is to research every author thoroughly before reading anything they wrote. I should point out that you are reading me, right now.
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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #5 on: Today at 12:23:42 PM »
I don't know, to be honest.
I see both sides of the problem and I can't decide.

Do I give away my copies of MZB's books?
I loved them, they helped shape my teenage years...

I do tend to view books by authors who I know in real life in a more positive way, but I don't think that prevents me from thinking they're bad/could be better.

So yep, I have no idea where I stand on this :-\
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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #6 on: Today at 01:19:09 PM »
It depends. If someone living a few hundred years ago said something that's considered unacceptable by modern standards, I don't care too much. I think people should be judged according to the times they lived in—that can include old people today who were born in a different era and find it hard to stay modern.

With contemporary authors (or other artists) it's harder, but it still depends. Just saying something I don't like or supporting a political viewpoint I don't like is not enough to stop me reading them. But if it was something really bad (interpret that as you will) then it may stop me enjoying the book or whatever was produced.

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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #7 on: Today at 02:05:59 PM »
Wow great topic @Bender.

I too have works by Bradley and OSC that I will not read again. Certain political music that I will listen to and some I won't. I never owned any Michael Jackson or Lost Prophets, but an ex did and threw out both and cried about doing so and being let down by people she idolised.

I have a wall full of DVD's I am not going to not watch any of them because Weinstein's companies financed them but won't watch anything with Spacey in it. There has to be a point of separation or you can limit and self censor yourself into not doing a lot.

@cupiscent I am totally in agreement about sports stars and feel this issue is worse in America where not only the money but the influence is greater and the pedestal they are put upon is so much higher.
 How about female pop stars pushing expectations of beauty, wearing revealing outfits and shaking what they got. The music industry has no issue with 'sex sells' and is targeted at children? This has an effect on both boys and girls and largely is not positive.

@Skip A big difference in reading academic works often from a less tolerant past for work or knowledge and perspective than reading fantasy for fun. I am concerned about how long you will be able to read such works as I think we are headed towards a round of non-religious book burnings as the current mood is to stifle debate and ignore context.

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Re: Art vs Artist
« Reply #8 on: Today at 02:28:46 PM »
As long as the book is written well and within my spectrum of interest, I'm reading it. Case closed.  8)