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Author Topic: Petition for the Electoral College to Elect Hillary Clinton on December 19  (Read 1424 times)

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First my stepsister shared with us a petition to abolish the Electoral College, and now even better: Petition for the Electoral College to Elect Hillary Clinton on December 19. This was linked on my professor, Nnedi Okorafor's, Twitter: https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

I hadn't known this, but there's no legal way of stopping Electoral College members from voting against the majority of their State. They just have to pay a small fine, which would be well worth it.

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Well, how about not voting for Clinton then, a rather picking a viable candidate who isn't a high WW3 risk, like Bernie Sanders?

Or why not just live up with the consequences of your legal, democratic system of vote, and buckle up for 4 years of doing your best?
In France we've been biting the dust ever since Hollande was elected, and we all hoped he would just resign when polls showed him to have less than 15% of French people's trust. But Naw, he didn't, and now our next election is coming up. We survived through his years of idiocracy.
You get to do the same now. You get to elect someone better in 4 years.
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Clinton isn't a high WW3 risk (where on earth do you get that from, Clinton is not a warhawk; do they actually spread misinformation like that about her in France), but Sanders would be infinitely better than Trump.

The whole point, if you'll bother to read, is that Clinton did win the popular vote. Democracy is in her favor, not Trump's. The system that puts it in the hands of the Electoral College is broken. But there is a legal recourse and no reason we should give up and not use it while we can.
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I don't like Trump either, but both candidates, parties and everyone else agreed with the rules before the election even began. Now you simply want to change the rules mid-course because your candidate didn't win.

And that's all it comes down to: a candidate you loathe won and yours didn't.

If the reverse had happened, with Trump winning the popular vote and Hillary the Electoral College, you wouldn't say EC is broken, you would be praising it. You would never open a petition saying "I don't like Trump, but Democracy was in his favor and he should be the president, let's petition the EC for that."
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Petitions achieve the desired result every single time. A well known fact.  :D
Yeah I sign them, but stuff I am passionate about I look for active ways to support change. These days peeps seem to think clicking a button is doing something, it is not. I believe petitions were created as a method of dissuading people from campaigning and protesting. They get the rosy afterglow of having done something and more importantly on social media of telling everybody else they have done something without getting out their chair.

If you want to change the political system in the USA start by finding out who owns it. I would start by looking at lobbying and the billion dollar industry it has become. Make public who is buying your political voice and oppose that rather than mess around with Facebook.

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I don't live in France mate, during the campaign I was in Australia and Scotland. And yes Clinton is seen as a higher WW3 risk. She's not exactly keen on USA-Russia relationship. Both idiots are scary to us. They're sitting on monstrous military power. We all wish you'd have better candidates
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I think it's funny when people think the US is a pure democracy. Shows how well common knowledge about the government spreads. We, US citizens that is, live in a Republic. Our votes only matter at the local, state, and congressional level - not for the president. We vote for the president to make us think we have a choice in higher matters and to try and sway the electoral college. That didn't happen this time or in the 2000 election.

If it wasn't for the electoral college, women and blacks wouldn't be able to vote and blacks would still be slaves. But, yes, let's get rid of it because some people don't like it and they're throwing a hissy fit.

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That's a very sad thing to say @Mehman , whether it's true or not, because all European countries went trough such steps without ever having electoral colleges. So did NZ, which was the first country to give women vote.
Let's hope the USA would have matured to such a stage even with a direct electoral system. It's the only thing we have in Europe and we aren't ever day dreaming about switching to your thing...
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Yeah, I'm not saying it isn't broken but it isn't all that bad, either. The US is so screwed at this point it isn't funny. We've been sliding into fascism since Reagan, and possibly before but I doubt it. We're a veiled fascist state now - the only thing we haven't done is to have someone outright say we're fascist. If you take a look at the medical insurance fiasco and how it's tied into the government here it would make you shake your head. The lobbyist movement will make you cry. The buying of political seats of office will make you leave. And that's just Texas!

I fully await the time when corporations will start to own people and have their own "security forces". Actually, I might use that for a Spec Fiction book.

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What you describe in that last paragraph is the quintessential trait of cyber punk. The American newspapers are nice non fiction cyber punk pieces of writing yes.
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It's not merely that I loathe him. I've disliked candidates before. The effect he's having on this country by encouraging racism, ableism, misogyny, fear of immigrants etc. is objectively destructive, and he has people working for him who have been involved in white nationalism, anti-environmentalism. His vice presidential running mate, Pence, has proposed diverting legitimate government funds to gay/trans conversion therapy and denounced the movie Mulan for encouraging women to join the army. Trump himself has openly mocked a disabled man. His lack of qualifications for office is not a matter of opinion, either.

Treating him as interchangeable with any other candidate is disingenuous. Who is president has a real impact. I'm also not talking about changing the rules. This is within the rules. The very reason the Electoral College was created was to prevent a demagogue from assuming power whom the electors could see was dangerous.

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Yet he passed. And he's far from being the first of your president who lacked qualifications for the post.
The government he's assembling is disgusting and frightening, but you still don't get to bend the rules. Up to you if you want to straight up break them, I wouldn't throw the stone, I'm French, my country was built on revolutions, rebellions and beheadings. But might as well call a cat a cat.
Might as well give the man time to dig his own political grave. You should see the blessing in this : you'll get to see the festering heart of your country exposed to the sun. You'll get to see how bad the situation was, and hopefully the country will have a terrible reaction to all this and next election they'll wake up properly. Maybe in such a way that you won't be sitting in front of an election in which the candidates are the one who could afford to be there the most, rather than deserving it from popular belief.
Maybe it'll give more and more Americans a true great cause to fight for united rather than divided. Who knows.
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