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Re: Get those priorities right and show some respect.......
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2015, 11:26:35 PM »
Still off topic but had to share as we were discussing censorship and didn't know where else to post it.

A couple in Idaho have brought out the Clean Read App and a catalogue of books where it can be applied.  It will change all the naughty words in your e-books to good decent clean language. So now you know.  ;D How about that.  ;D Just google it and read some of the hilarious articles going around. 

Apparently you can choose Clean, Cleaner, Squeaky Clean depending on your mood.

My thought is if you don't like explicit language or can't accept swearing, then you should be choosing your books more carefully,maybe I'm missing something here, or am I being too judgmental? I just found it funny really.
That's up there with some guy I read on Amazon many years ago who said he used a thick black marker to block out all the swearing and sex in the ASoIaF books. I still don't know if he was serious or taking the piss. The other thing is how do you, or anyone, for that matter, decide what is and isn't dirty, even with the 3 options? Let's have us a good old book fuelled bonfire.

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2015, 12:16:19 AM »
Still off topic but had to share as we were discussing censorship and didn't know where else to post it.

A couple in Idaho have brought out the Clean Read App and a catalogue of books where it can be applied.  It will change all the naughty words in your e-books to good decent clean language. So now you know.  ;D How about that.  ;D Just google it and read some of the hilarious articles going around. 

Apparently you can choose Clean, Cleaner, Squeaky Clean depending on your mood.

My thought is if you don't like explicit language or can't accept swearing, then you should be choosing your books more carefully,maybe I'm missing something here, or am I being too judgmental? I just found it funny really.
That's up there with some guy I read on Amazon many years ago who said he used a thick black marker to block out all the swearing and sex in the ASoIaF books. I still don't know if he was serious or taking the piss. The other thing is how do you, or anyone, for that matter, decide what is and isn't dirty, even with the 3 options? Let's have us a good old book fuelled bonfire.
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Re: Get those priorities right and show some respect.......
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 01:10:30 AM »
That's up there with some guy I read on Amazon many years ago who said he used a thick black marker to block out all the swearing and sex in the ASoIaF books. I still don't know if he was serious or taking the piss. The other thing is how do you, or anyone, for that matter, decide what is and isn't dirty, even with the 3 options? Let's have us a good old book fuelled bonfire.
451 degrees Fahrenheit, baby.

Laughed about the ASoIAF guy, must have taken him weeks.

The burning of  books also came to my mind after reading about the App and sad it still happens in some countries. In US they often seem to challenge books for school and libraries . In 2012  a top 10 of school/library challenged books included  - To Kill a Mockingbird,  The Hunger Games and Brave New World amongst many others. Hopefully they didn't succeed.

With regard to your Idaho profanity filter. I can only apologise for a terrible mistake my Nation made in encouraging a 100 or so religious fundamentalists to leave our shores for yours in 1620. We thought they were just a nuisance. Had we have known...

A long time ago as my daughter was just finishing up at nursery school a very serious note was sent home with her saying that the singing of BA BA Blacksheep would be changed to BA BA Rainbowsheep. Apparently the use of the word black even in the correct context is offensive, who knew.

BTW if you are a mind to go looking there is an Icelander who is a Elf sex expert (I am guessing self proclaimed) who has published a book.

 ;D ;D Rostum  no need to apologise to me about the Pilgrim Fathers and their increasingly weird fundamental successors. I live in the future like Elfy and we are very laid back about use of blunt language.

Have to say BA BA Rainbowsheep was very original and I quite like the picture it conjures up, being a staunch supporter of diversity, but makes it harder to sing   :D

Did wonder if the Elf sex expert cites from case histories?
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Re: Get those priorities right and show some respect.......
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 03:26:10 AM »


Laughed about the ASoIAF guy, must have taken him weeks.

The burning of  books also came to my mind after reading about the App and sad it still happens in some countries. In US they often seem to challenge books for school and libraries . In 2012  a top 10 of school/library challenged books included  - To Kill a Mockingbird,  The Hunger Games and Brave New World amongst many others. Hopefully they didn't succeed.


I wondered if the same person also read The Lies of Locke Lamora, he would have run his marker out of ink with that one.
Catcher in the Rye was banned in the States for many years, although it later became required reading. Wasn't there a hoohah not that long ago about people wanting Harry Potter banned because it promoted the use of witchcraft? I also think people have campaigned against Darwin's On The Origin of the Species, because it champions evolution. It's rather like the Inquisition demanding Galileo retract his views that the world revolved around the sun, not the other way around. Censorship rarely works.
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 03:43:59 AM »
We lived in Alabama for several years, in the heart of "the Bible Belt."

One day we got a call from our daughter's elementary school.
She was in trouble for bringing a D&D rules book to school, because it had things about witches and demons, plus strange occult drawings. My wife ripped th principal a new one over it. Later, there was much suspicion over Harry Potter.

There was also the time we went to a family festival where they were giving away soccer balls to the kids, a football to the dads and a chance to win a buggy full of groceries to the women. When my wife asked for a football, she was informed quite seriously that since the man is the head of the family, he would be the only one to get a football. We just about had to handcuff Lisa to keep her hands off the fella's neck.  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2015, 04:34:54 AM »
We lived in Alabama for several years, in the heart of "the Bible Belt."

One day we got a call from our daughter's elementary school.
She was in trouble for bringing a D&D rules book to school, because it had things about witches and demons, plus strange occult drawings. My wife ripped th principal a new one over it. Later, there was much suspicion over Harry Potter.

There was also the time we went to a family festival where they were giving away soccer balls to the kids, a football to the dads and a chance to win a buggy full of groceries to the women. When my wife asked for a football, she was informed quite seriously that since the man is the head of the family, he would be the only one to get a football. We just about had to handcuff Lisa to keep her hands off the fella's neck.  ;D
Different world, isn't it? We have a female rugby commentator down here, and she got a match ball after a game one night. She gave it to her young daughter, and then a day or two later she saw her daughter with the football, she had it wrapped in a blanket and was nursing it like a baby!

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Re: Get those priorities right and show some respect.......
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 09:01:25 AM »
There was also the time we went to a family festival where they were giving away soccer balls to the kids, a football to the dads and a chance to win a buggy full of groceries to the women. When my wife asked for a football, she was informed quite seriously that since the man is the head of the family, he would be the only one to get a football. We just about had to handcuff Lisa to keep her hands off the fella's neck.  ;D

+Karma for your wife  :D

Well, talking about censorship, Portugal's only Literature Nobel, José Saramago, pretty much went into self-imposed exile in Spain because our government at the time refused to consider his book The Gospel According to Jesus Christ for the Aristeion Prize (a no longer existing european literature prize), as it offended Catholic values - and this was in the early 90's.
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 05:33:19 PM »
I also think people have campaigned against Darwin's On The Origin of the Species, because it champions evolution.

This is actually a bit of an understatement in the US. It's an issue that pops up every now and then, depending on the state. In my state (California) it's illegal to teach Creationism in schools (I believe it's actually illegal in every state, but I'm not 100% certain) and mandatory to teach evolution (in public schools at least) but students have to get signed permission slips from their parents in order to participate. As recent as 2008, some states have been trying to pass laws requiring Creationism to be taught any time Evolution is taught.

I remember in a philosophy class I took in college, we watched a video of teacher's caught teaching Creationism and I recall its tone being somewhat similar to one of those "here's ten minutes of horrific animal slaughter, never eat meat again", type videos. Meanwhile the other side is putting stickers on science books that say, "this is not fact, it's theory," so the propaganda machines are still very much running on both sides.

As someone confident in his ability to brainwash children, I don't really have a dog in the fight, so it can be pretty entertaining to watch.  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2015, 12:40:47 AM »
I also think people have campaigned against Darwin's On The Origin of the Species, because it champions evolution.

This is actually a bit of an understatement in the US. It's an issue that pops up every now and then, depending on the state. In my state (California) it's illegal to teach Creationism in schools (I believe it's actually illegal in every state, but I'm not 100% certain) and mandatory to teach evolution (in public schools at least) but students have to get signed permission slips from their parents in order to participate. As recent as 2008, some states have been trying to pass laws requiring Creationism to be taught any time Evolution is taught.

I remember in a philosophy class I took in college, we watched a video of teacher's caught teaching Creationism and I recall its tone being somewhat similar to one of those "here's ten minutes of horrific animal slaughter, never eat meat again", type videos. Meanwhile the other side is putting stickers on science books that say, "this is not fact, it's theory," so the propaganda machines are still very much running on both sides.

As someone confident in his ability to brainwash children, I don't really have a dog in the fight, so it can be pretty entertaining to watch.  ;)
Wasn't that what the Monkey Scopes trial was all about, though? The one where Clarence Darrow made his name?
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2015, 04:02:46 AM »
Wasn't that what the Monkey Scopes trial was all about, though? The one where Clarence Darrow made his name?

Yes. But Scopes was convicted for teaching evolution, it had to be overturned in court, and even then it wasn't until the 60's-70's that it became common to teach evolution in schools. In the 1980's Louisiana passed a law requiring Creationism to be taught in schools, which went to the Supreme Court and was overturned due to a clause in the America Constitution forbidding the Establishment of a state religion, (making it illegal from then on). Don't know how it is in Australia, but Creationism has lost pretty much all these fights since the Scope's Trial on pretty similar grounds (so from the 1920's onward). Since then, the Creationists have turned toward Intelligent Design, essentially trying to pass creationism off as a scientific alternative to evolution, so it pops up every now and then under that guise.

I'm not sure if it's 100% illegal to teach creationism in science classes (only illegal to require it be taught), for example, in my school they taught creationism in a history class as part of a world religions unit, alongside teachings from Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. but not as science. Every time it pops up, either as stickers on text books or some state legislature passing laws requiring creationism/ID to be taught with equal regard compared to evolution, the people who implemented the law tend to lose the next election and then the law is repealed.
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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2015, 04:15:11 AM »
I can't ever remember them teaching anything other than evolution in school. I went to a Catholic primary school, so we got the biblical creation myth, but it was accepted by everyone, including the teachers some of whom were nuns, that this was a bible story and not to be confused with the science behind the big bang theory and evolution. I'd be surprised if any school in Australia was different. Despite Adelaide being called 'the city of churches' I don't think we have an equivalent to the bible belt here.
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2015, 04:33:50 AM »
I can't ever remember them teaching anything other than evolution in school. I went to a Catholic primary school, so we got the biblical creation myth, but it was accepted by everyone, including the teachers some of whom were nuns, that this was a bible story and not to be confused with the science behind the big bang theory and evolution. I'd be surprised if any school in Australia was different. Despite Adelaide being called 'the city of churches' I don't think we have an equivalent to the bible belt here.

Pretty much the same was true for me, as I reached the level of education when evolution is taught while living in California, but if I had still been in Utah at the time, it may have been different. That's not to say Mormon's don't believe in evolution, in fact most I know do believe in it, but I think it depends on the region, the church in question, and specific people themselves. I've had a few conversations with family members that have treated evolution as an impossibility, while other family members accept it as a part of their faith. Could be the schools are teaching different things, could be how active their local church is in advocating against/for it, or it could just be personal experience.