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Title: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Lady Ty on January 24, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
This is so amazing and makes sense of so much in our history of the skills of archers, this man is absolutely brilliant. Watch and enjoy-

https://www.nerdist.com/2015/01/badass-danish-youtuber-destroys-every-hollywood-archery-myth/
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: JMack on January 24, 2015, 11:48:57 PM
Incredible.  Fits with some other recent posts about real sword fighting and how popular fiction and movies get it all wrong. I think any fantasy writer worth her or his salt should be looking at these restorations. Otherwise we just depend on a weak trope. (Almost typed tripe.  Guess that might be true too!)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ScarletBea on January 25, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Ohmygawd, thank you!
It was amazing, and it will definitely impact the way I read fights with arrows now :D
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Eclipse on January 25, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
Very Interesting being an archer myself (not a very good one through)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: xiagan on January 25, 2015, 01:42:05 PM
Haha, I just wanted to post this. :D It's really amazing. So, writers... rethink archery and fight scenes? ;)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Eclipse on January 25, 2015, 01:49:41 PM
Haha, I just wanted to post this. :D It's really amazing. So, writers... rethink archery and fight scenes? ;)

Theme for you next monthly writing competition ?  :)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Lady Ty on January 27, 2015, 08:05:32 AM
Glad you enjoyed, trouble is I'll never look at archers in the same way again. Here comes Legolas, quiverful of arrows on his back, bow poised, eagle eyed  and ready -  then the arrows spilling all over the ground as he moves forward................
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ScarletBea on January 27, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
Glad you enjoyed, trouble is I'll never look at archers in the same way again. Here comes Legolas, quiverful of arrows on his back, bow poised, eagle eyed  and ready -  then the arrows spilling all over the ground as he moves forward................

hehehe I agree, that will make me look at quivers in a whole different way in the future ;D (i.e. big waste of space)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: silvijanus on January 28, 2015, 12:47:05 AM
I think Hollywood knows lot of this, they have advisors...which they don't listen then :D Whats looks cooler on film usually gets advantage. Like in a scene with archers you can hear order "fire", while the right thing should be "loose", cause nothing fires when you loose the arrow. I had the chance to work on a movie (with one of the best archery trainers probably) and have seen this in practice. Fire-loose, make-up detail taking something from what is more accurate in reality and etc. That's for movies part, I doubt it will change...
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Fallen One on January 28, 2015, 06:57:52 AM

 
I think Hollywood knows lot of this, they have advisors...which they don't listen then :D

 Yep, that's because Hollywood follow the rule of cool :P

 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Yora on January 28, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
Most if it is trick shoting, which in most cases is not something anyone would attempt in a life and death situation. Also, these trick shoters seem to always use bows that are very weak and strung with rubber band so they can draw fast and rapidly. Though then, none of them have the muscles and bones of actual professional military archers, who would probably be still pretty quick.

It's however great to demonstrate how quickly and accurately archers can aim. Most movies appear to immitate olympic archers, who take very long time to draw and aim, as speed isn't of any concern to them and the arrow has to land not just good, but perfectly to get that one point that can make the difference between a silver or gold medal.
It's the opposite of swordfighting, as there are lots of "sword moves" that look cool on film, but would be pretty suicidal in battle.

Legolas stunts in the Middle-Earth movies are stupid nonsense. But his shoting skills are just able to compete with what a really good archer can do.  :D
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: silvijanus on January 28, 2015, 02:04:03 PM
Legolas stunts in the Middle-Earth movies are stupid nonsense.
His archery is more cool then real, but we can forgive most of it cause he is an elf. Elvish archery should be super skilled. When they made him ride skateboards on steps and climbing on elephants, then it became nonsense. "Suspend disbelief" theory - yeah, poor job on those scenes. Btw talking about Legolas, I'm counting just LOTR movies (Hobbit was a mistake). 
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Yora on January 28, 2015, 02:22:24 PM
The movie elves are arrogant and perfect at everything.
Yeah, after the first movie it was a steady decline.
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Elfy on January 28, 2015, 10:38:36 PM
Legolas stunts in the Middle-Earth movies are stupid nonsense.
His archery is more cool then real, but we can forgive most of it cause he is an elf. Elvish archery should be super skilled. When they made him ride skateboards on steps and climbing on elephants, then it became nonsense. "Suspend disbelief" theory - yeah, poor job on those scenes. Btw talking about Legolas, I'm counting just LOTR movies (Hobbit was a mistake).
It wasn't at all real, but I rather liked him picking people off as he was climbing up the oliphaunt, he kept up his tally with Gimli as well.
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Nora on March 16, 2015, 08:44:13 AM
Yes it's an epic video!
Actually I watched Princess Mononoke the other day for the millionth time and was pretty pleased to see that the hero is depicted putting his arrows on the external side of the bow, just like this man said was fastest.
Ashitaka also catches an arrow in mid-air and sends it back, and while his demonic strength explained it at first, I guess now I'm forced to reconsider!
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 16, 2015, 02:30:07 PM
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4)

But accurate and fast shooting nonetheless.
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Lady Ty on March 20, 2015, 07:44:25 AM
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4)

But accurate and fast shooting nonetheless.

Thank you for the link, I'm sure it's all true and I half expected some serious enthusiast  would shatter my wonder, sooner or later.  :(  But I do enjoy the guy's exhibition tricks and, lets face it, this is a fantasy site so I'm glad we don't have the fun analysed out of existence often. :D :D
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 20, 2015, 12:22:24 PM
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4)

But accurate and fast shooting nonetheless.

Thank you for the link, I'm sure it's all true and I half expected some serious enthusiast  would shatter my wonder, sooner or later.  :(  But I do enjoy the guy's exhibition tricks and, lets face it, this is a fantasy site so I'm glad we don't have the fun analysed out of existence often. :D :D
Now I feel bad.  :( I didn't mean to shatter your wonder or belittle the guy's skills. I just happened to watch the two videos one after the other and thought that some of the criticism about the claims the first video made was very much justified. I'm by no means a serious enthusiast or an expert on the matter.

And of course we can take some liberties in fantasy. Some of the guy's tricks fit perfectly to a piece of fantasy. :)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Lady Ty on March 21, 2015, 12:12:58 AM
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4)

But accurate and fast shooting nonetheless.

Thank you for the link, I'm sure it's all true and I half expected some serious enthusiast  would shatter my wonder, sooner or later.  :(  But I do enjoy the guy's exhibition tricks and, lets face it, this is a fantasy site so I'm glad we don't have the fun analysed out of existence often. :D :D
Now I feel bad.  :( I didn't mean to shatter your wonder or belittle the guy's skills. I just happened to watch the two videos one after the other and thought that some of the criticism about the claims the first video made was very much justified. I'm by no means a serious enthusiast or an expert on the matter.

And of course we can take some liberties in fantasy. Some of the guy's tricks fit perfectly to a piece of fantasy. :)

No, no, no -never meant for you to feel bad personally, that's why I use lots of emoticons because I do often write tongue- in-cheek.  I was actually aiming at the person in the link, you are quite right, I'm sure some was well justified but  she was seriously put out and making it clear the poor guy doing the tricks was SOOOOO BAD and I wanted to yell "Loosen up!"
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on March 21, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4)

But accurate and fast shooting nonetheless.

Thank you for the link, I'm sure it's all true and I half expected some serious enthusiast  would shatter my wonder, sooner or later.  :(  But I do enjoy the guy's exhibition tricks and, lets face it, this is a fantasy site so I'm glad we don't have the fun analysed out of existence often. :D :D
Now I feel bad.  :( I didn't mean to shatter your wonder or belittle the guy's skills. I just happened to watch the two videos one after the other and thought that some of the criticism about the claims the first video made was very much justified. I'm by no means a serious enthusiast or an expert on the matter.

And of course we can take some liberties in fantasy. Some of the guy's tricks fit perfectly to a piece of fantasy. :)

No, no, no -never meant for you to feel bad personally, that's why I use lots of emoticons because I do often write tongue- in-cheek.  I was actually aiming at the person in the link, you are quite right, I'm sure some was well justified but  she was seriously put out and making it clear the poor guy doing the tricks was SOOOOO BAD and I wanted to yell "Loosen up!"
Yeah, I actually got that. I'm a tongue-in-cheek person myself. :P So, let's not feel bad.

And yes, the criticism was (purposefully?) somewhat, let's say, stuck up.
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Rostum on March 29, 2015, 03:07:48 AM
I was really impressed by Lars shooting, which is just incredible and will have been achieved through long hours of practise over many years. I have also seen a lot of videos and comments refuting what he has achieved and detracting from it. All by target shooters as far as I can tell. I don't agree with all of Lars Anderson’s assertions or disagree entirely with his critics.

Something to note is target archery is a sport and a discipline you stand still and carry out the same action to loose three arrows at the same target to score points. This is a modern sport adapted from older games.
This has very little to do with combat archery.

I shot for years as a re-enactment archer at static and moving targets and at people in battles and skirmishes. I fletch and have had a go a making longbows with mixed results. I would not claim to be anywhere near as fast or accurate as Lars or any of his detractors or know as much about the modern sport, but I am competent and have taught others how to safely shoot at people. What Lars is looking to rediscover is how the bow was used in war. Well that is very different between cultures and geographicly as well as at different periods in history. I am not sure he will draw accurate conclusions working alone at this from any or every source he can find.
generally foot archers were used to either work the flanks of a skirmish line or as a block to clout a mass of arrows up in the air at approaching enemy formations or opposing archers in most armies that used them.
Horse archers were used to break up formations or pursue a routed enemy.
some of the modern bows Lars uses for some of the video are very low poundage (20lbs at 30 inches at a guess) draw which assist with both accuracy and speed. The arrows he uses are match weight to each other, the bow and his draw length. He is using field piles which are flush to the shaft and easy to retrieve to re-shoot. He would have less luck with a long bodkin that had bent going through armour or a head held on with beeswax which stays whatevers hit or the really nasty barbed heads, designed not to come out.
The bow as a weapon has been developed in pretty much every culture on the planet with lots of differences in construction of both bow and arrows. Combat arrows tend to be big heavy things and lose range due to weight, When clouted up in the air they gain a lot of momentum on the way down.
I can vouch for quivers being totally impractical for combat You keep them in an arrow bag when travelling and tucked through your belt when you need them if you are moving around.
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Nora on April 17, 2015, 04:41:02 AM
Boom, busted  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on April 17, 2015, 10:44:03 AM
Too slow, @Nora (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=40237) ;). Check my post a few posts earlier.  :)
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Nora on April 17, 2015, 01:46:47 PM
Argh!! I must have cleared "new posts" and came back to the topic assuming I had read it all! Dang, sorry!  :-[ :-X
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: ArcaneArtsVelho on April 17, 2015, 03:35:22 PM
No worries.  :)

It happens, half the time I don't know which posts I have read (or glanced through).  ;D
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: S. K. Inkslinger on November 08, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
This is so amazing and makes sense of so much in our history of the skills of archers, this man is absolutely brilliant. Watch and enjoy-

https://www.nerdist.com/2015/01/badass-danish-youtuber-destroys-every-hollywood-archery-myth/

Holy hell, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen in quite a long while. Now this is the type of archery I'd loved to practice.  :o
Title: Re: Genuine Real Archery
Post by: Rostum on November 08, 2018, 07:32:59 PM
so what's to stop you?