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Offline Bender

LGBT Education row in UK
« on: October 10, 2019, 01:04:35 AM »
After MPs voted in favor of adding LGBT education for Primary School students, row broke out after parents pulled out kinds from school in Birmingham.

I'm a bit divided on this. It's a good initiative, but feel Primary School kids (aged 5-10) might be a bit too young an audience. Perhaps high school might have been a better starting place.

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2019, 03:37:50 AM »
I suspect you have a very simplified version of events. This particular row has been going on for over a year.

MP's did indeed vote to add LGBT education to be added into the sex education curriculum and it comes into effect in september 2020. There is nothing to prevent schools taking this on early but are unlikely to do so as education guidelines are notoriously vague and subject to change. A framework will be in place months or weeks before the september deadline.

All sex education is age specific and appropriate. Primary school children will be taught that homosexuality is a thing, that a very few people are transgender and is more about challenging homophobia than anything else.

With knowledge of UK law you would realise what a thin line educators are walking with regard to any interaction with children and tactual sex education teaching materials. Great care is needed and taken.

The issue with sex education in the UK has always been religion Until a few years back it was compulsary to have 90 minutes of religeous education or study but any other lesson could be opted out of.  Sex education (SRE) naturally is opted out of by the more conservative faiths as deemed inappropriate.

In Birmingham at three schools two of which are not even running the programme largely Muslim parents with a minority from the more cultish Christian sects have decided educating kids about the world is bad and it is bound to upset their particular dieties. Parkfield community School is the centre of it I do not know they are running a pilot or have taken an initiative here but there seems to be nothing else happening protest wise in any other area of Birmingham (pop ~ 1,000,000) or the rest of the UK

Sadly so far one pretty decent headmistress has quit and 2 teachers stated they have moved schools so they can actually teach. A lot of what is being spread around seems to be very sensationalist and far from accurate.


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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2019, 07:14:00 AM »
Yes Bender, it's just a question of telling children that different people and families exist, rather than teaching sex...
And just one school in the whole country had problems ::)
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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2019, 08:15:01 AM »
We have similar fights going on in Australia.

I'm honestly astonished at how constantly our society pushes heterosexuality at kids. The idea that primary school is "too young" for LGBT sex education seemed ridiculous when someone once suggested that because my six-month-old daughter was grabbing the same ring-toy as the male six-month-old next to her, she "had a little boyfriend".

Egregious outliers notwithstanding, children are constantly exposed to heterosexuality, through parents in cartoons and books, general advertising (some clothing advertising is so explicitly sexual that if it were a same-sex couple there'd be uproar), and casual comment. I'd like to see non-heterosexual love just as normalised and formal education seems like a great way of counterbalancing things.
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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2019, 02:42:08 PM »
I work in a Primary School in the UK and really not sure what the fuss is. We just explain there are different types of relationships and families. Which makes sense as we do have children with lesbian and gay parents so would be odd not to acknowedge that. In fact would be rather cruel and psychologically damaging to the child!
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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2019, 04:51:01 PM »
Some US states are requiring LGBT history. Similarly, this is causing a big fuss among certain communities. They think it's about sex education or an actual history class focusing on LGBT. Really, it's about emphasizing the historical importance of a group just as we do for black history and women's history, the inclusion of which was also controversial in the past. Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the 19th Amendment ratification in 1920 (right of women to vote) are historically significant events in the development of the US. So are the Stonewall riots of '69 and politicians like Harvey Milk. "It" isn't being forced on school kids. Factual and accurate history is.

Offline Rostum

Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2019, 12:01:19 AM »
Is certain communities code for Fundamentalist Christian and opposed to learning unless it comes from their particular bible?

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2019, 01:35:15 PM »
Yes, yes it is, which very much describes where I grew up!

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2019, 04:12:34 PM »
I take no one seriously who describes Harry Potter as satanism. Nor do I believe they are capable of reasoned thought  let alone debate and should be kept away from education with a pointy stick.

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2019, 09:39:18 PM »
I take no one seriously who describes Harry Potter as satanism. Nor do I believe they are capable of reasoned thought  let alone debate and should be kept away from education with a pointy stick.

Not so generic, but I know many people including some family who are educated, smart in everything except religion. Which is why this is a contentious issues. Not like you can ignore them as backward.

Personally, despite no proof I still believe in God, but hate the restrictions imposed by organized religions. I don't need guidance from someone whose only qualification is working in a temple/church.
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Offline Rostum

Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2019, 11:31:05 PM »
I have no problem with religion but a real problem with fundementalism.

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2019, 04:58:23 PM »
And to highlight the point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50434370

Strangely enough the Government who allowed free/faith schools was warned that faith based education would diverge from UK and European law, fail to educate and increase division. Who would have thunk it.

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2019, 08:37:40 PM »
And to highlight the point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50434370

Strangely enough the Government who allowed free/faith schools was warned that faith based education would diverge from UK and European law, fail to educate and increase division. Who would have thunk it.

What a horrible man. It's just one step removed from honor killing. Faith education should be banned. We have cases where children are taught evolution is false, Harry Potter is banned and similar nonsense.
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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2019, 09:27:50 PM »
The only thing to add is this isn't about pushing one 'truth' over another or saying faith cannot be taught. What should be happening is kids are taught to question everything, examine the evidence and make informed choices as a result. If someone says this is evil, intolrable or against god then they should be prepared to justify why, as should those who rally to denounce them as a bigot and homophobe.

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Re: LGBT Education row in UK
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2019, 10:15:45 PM »
The only thing to add is this isn't about pushing one 'truth' over another or saying faith cannot be taught. What should be happening is kids are taught to question everything, examine the evidence and make informed choices as a result. If someone says this is evil, intolrable or against god then they should be prepared to justify why, as should those who rally to denounce them as a bigot and homophobe.

Problem is religion depends on unquestioning faith, so the very idea of faith education with free to question tolerance is a paradox.

Secondly getting into a habit is easier than getting out of one. So better to teach right rather than convert later. Ability to question attracts lots of social pressure. With parents and family set against them, it takes a lot of maturity for kids to believe in their questions and potentially go against family.
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