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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2012, 12:06:25 PM »
I'm sorry to see you go, Daniel. I enjoyed your posts. :)

I agree with nearly all points of hound's first post. My only issue with Good bye-posts is that people may regret their decision someday but are too proud to come back because of their good bye thread.

So please don't feel obligated to stay away because of this post of yours, Funky Scarecrow!

I'm not sure we need more mods. We have about four who are quite active and the user base is exceptionally well-behaved and knows how to keep a discussion polite (compared to a lot of other forums).

In my opinion it don't matter if the banned user (didn't know she was banned, but I think it was the right decision) did it on purpose or not. I wouldn't let somebody keep a driver's license just because he has a car. If he isn't able to follow the traffic rules, he shouldn't be allowed to drive. Purpose has nothing to do with it.

Please refrain from corrupting my voter's opinion. -throws Xiagan into a cell- I'll let you out when you decide to vote for me! xD

And I don't believe it's so black and white, but I see where you're going with it, and if it's for the good of the site, there should be nothing wrong with it, technically. Now let's go to the voting booths, shall we? ;D
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2012, 12:11:18 PM »
I don't think we should let someone who is going to be violent towards members be a mod :P

Now let Xiagan out!
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2012, 12:19:24 PM »
I don't think we should let someone who is going to be violent towards members be a mod :P

Now let Xiagan out!

It appears I have misplaced Xiagan's location. He will be released by my most trusted confidantes ( Lionwalker, The Hound and Nestat: Yes, I will be bringing you down with me) when I am elected. The elections will be finished by the time the November elections of the States has begun.

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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2012, 02:18:00 PM »
I am sorry that you feel you had to leave, FunkyScarecrow. I definitely enjoyed reading your posts and opinions and hope at some point to see you return.

I dont think the core issue here was censorship, but rather a cumulative effect of the overall confrontational nature of said poster. The problems went beyond what was seen in the Piracy debate. I am not in the camp that believes she was doing it intentionally, but regardless, I will admit to avoiding all threads where she was posting. Whether she was intentionally causing trouble, or it is just her argumentative nature, we really have no way of knowing. And like xiagan said, I think the intent is probably irrelevant.  If I had seen her able to join any discussions without them getting unnecessarily heated, perhaps I could have changed my mind eventually.


And for the record, there are a number of people on this forum that I highly respect, but strongly disagree with on some points. I value differing opinions. I think they are absolutely necessary to spark new ideas and thoughts.  I dont care if you take an opposite stance on one of my posts. I welcome it because I think it is very important to understand not only that there are different ways to look at things, but also to hear people's reasons for choosing a different stance, to hear their perspective. I dont have to agree, I dont have to like it, but it helps if I can at least understand where others are coming from. I respect everyone's right to think for themselves. And I hope that those that disagree with me feel the same about what I may post. We are not all here to mindlessly agree with each other and pat each other on the back for being so like minded in every way. Frankly, that would be boring. The difference here with said poster was that her posts were confrontational beyond what they needed to be. You should be able to argue your point without coming across how she does.

And many of the things she brought up that were confrontational were not even book related. (Not having respect for religious people, using derogatory terms when identifying regions of the world ... she was just being insulting, intentionally or not ... ) There was pretty much no reason for those topics to have come up, they were just inciting people, causing people to get upset.

I can also understand FF having a policy against discussions advocating piracy ... the practice is illegal whether you agree with it or not. I cant fault them for not wanting their site associated with discussions advocating illegal practices ... This is the only topic where I have seen a Mod jump in and say the topic was off limits.

Anyway, I trust that this was not an easy decision for our mods. I personally think they need to have a space to be able to discuss the ongoings of the forum. Hopefully it is used to gain more than one perspective before taking serious action. Because we are all human, we all can have personal reactions to things and having more than one person look at it can help make sure no one is overreacting. And as for the inactive mods, I will admit, if I ever need a talking to (hope not! :) ) I would definitely prefer to hear it from one of the mods I am familiar with rather than one of the inactive ones I have rarely even seen log in, much less participate in discussions. I trust they were all well chosen, but I personally would rather hear from someone that I feel is an active member of the community.

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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2012, 10:17:01 PM »
Once again, Arry's logic makes everything better.

It's sad to see a member leave, I give it that and say nothing more on the matter. The said poster might've not noticed what she was doing was antagonizing, possibly the first few times, and she admitted she had no tact. That's no excuse. I'm very straightforward and tactless and will be the first to admit that. I have differing views on things. But I know when to shut up. I know how to somewhat say things nicely, or not at all. To put it bluntly, in my opinion, it's sad to see Funky leave, but what you mods did was right.

EDIT: And if we do need another mod, then I would vote for an American one to even it out. Sorry Jian, but my vote would go for a regular like Arry. I don't know many American regulars beside her, me, Charlie, and a few others that aren't off the top of my head.
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2012, 08:17:55 AM »
EDIT: And if we do need another mod, then I would vote for an American one to even it out. Sorry Jian, but my vote would go for a regular like Arry. I don't know many American regulars beside her, me, Charlie, and a few others that aren't off the top of my head.

My two cents (pence ;)) on the mod thing: I do think we need a couple of new mods, regardless. This year there looks to have been a fundamental change in the people who are posting most; obviously, some people (mods and other older regulars) have moved on or have other more important responsibilities.

Just looking at the site stats, it is clear the people who post on the site the most and who logs the most hours into the forum. I have to agree with Chill that an American moderator (perhaps along with another permanent fixture/member from somewhere else) could be just what’s needed to help as the site gets even bigger, presumably with the promotion and release of the anthology next year coming up.
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2012, 08:30:57 AM »
EDIT: And if we do need another mod, then I would vote for an American one to even it out. Sorry Jian, but my vote would go for a regular like Arry. I don't know many American regulars beside her, me, Charlie, and a few others that aren't off the top of my head.

My two cents (pence ;)) on the mod thing: I do think we need a couple of new mods, regardless. This year there looks to have been a fundamental change in the people who are posting most; obviously, some people (mods and other older regulars) have moved on or have other more important responsibilities.

Just looking at the site stats, it is clear the people who post on the site the most and who logs the most hours into the forum. I have to agree with Chill that an American moderator (perhaps along with another permanent fixture/member from somewhere else) could be just what’s needed to help as the site gets even bigger, presumably with the promotion and release of the anthology next year coming up.

I need to come up with another saying similar to, "Et tu, Brute?".... But seeing as how I can't really come up with one such as that on short notice, Et tu, Brute?

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Anyways, it's cool to vote for whoever, really. I just want to point out that I have an American education, once again. So, technically, I am American... In a way.  ;)
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2012, 09:44:46 AM »
Do you know the saying "Actions speak louder than words"? Same goes for modesty and self-promotion...
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2012, 10:29:15 AM »
Do you know the saying "Actions speak louder than words"? Same goes for modesty and self-promotion...

Never heard of it.  ;D
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Re: Goodbye and Thank You
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2012, 10:14:35 PM »
Oh, Jian. I believe one of the requirements for becoming a mod is to be a regular along with being over the age of sixteen. Might want to consider that. :)
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