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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2012, 08:22:08 PM »
EDIT: unfortunately the censorship here means I have to delete the post I was typing as apparently 20 new replies were being made. Regardless, I will say that you did not change my mind and I have no reason to feel guilty for anything. It's a shame this place censors even opinions instead of just posts that include information on how to file share, but stupid and immoral rules are rules.

I do believe it has already been suggested to you that if  you don't like the way we run things, then perhaps this isn't the forum for you.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2012, 08:29:26 PM »
Or, as with real life, I could just deal with the stupid rules, while making my objections known, which is what I did just do.

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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2012, 08:31:34 PM »
No it was just a dumb orangutan.  It started throwing its own feces around afterwards.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2012, 08:31:45 PM »
As someone who has had a lot of copies of my books pirated (the ones under my own name, no, I'm not massive *snort* - and they were pirated before they even released in at least one case) I can't say that people thinking I should work for free makes me stupid or immoral, or the rules stupid or immoral - someone thinking so smacks to me of entitlement. And while not all pirates actively think authors/artists should work for free (and actually I sympathise in the case of being unable to access the content any other way, though that's hardly the case in the US/Europe whihc is where the majority of pirates seem to hang out...) I've had several people tell me to my face that is true and that is exactly why they pirate. Because they feel art should be free, so I should just STFU. And the artists should starve, I suppose.

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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2012, 08:35:23 PM »
As someone who has had a lot of copies of my books pirated (the ones under my own name, no, I'm not massive *snort* - and they were pirated before they even released in at least one case) I can't say that people thinking I should work for free makes me stupid or immoral, or the rules stupid or immoral - someone thinking so smacks to me of entitlement. And while not all pirates actively think authors/artists should work for free (and actually I sympathise in the case of being unable to access the content any other way, though that's hardly the case in the US/Europe whihc is where the majority of pirates seem to hang out...) I've had several people tell me to my face that is true and that is exactly why they pirate. Because they feel art should be free, so I should just STFU. And the artists should starve, I suppose.

Talk about a kick in the koalas.
I was referring to the fact that divergent opinions on the matter are apparently verboten on this forum. I'm not fond of censorship of any kind.

While I don't agree with you about file sharing I certainly don't think you're stupid. Maybe immoral, but only in the technical sense that if I believe my position is moral, all contradictory ones must therefore not be. I don't hold it against you, though.

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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2012, 08:37:00 PM »
Or, as with real life, I could just deal with the stupid rules, while making my objections known, which is what I did just do.

you could stop being so rude with your "objections". You make many of our members uncomfortable !d unwilling to post, and we have had words with you about this already. Consider this your final warning; dial it back please, or we will takevfurther action.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2012, 08:37:50 PM »
As someone who has had a lot of copies of my books pirated (the ones under my own name, no, I'm not massive *snort* - and they were pirated before they even released in at least one case) I can't say that people thinking I should work for free makes me stupid or immoral, or the rules stupid or immoral - someone thinking so smacks to me of entitlement. And while not all pirates actively think authors/artists should work for free (and actually I sympathise in the case of being unable to access the content any other way, though that's hardly the case in the US/Europe whihc is where the majority of pirates seem to hang out...) I've had several people tell me to my face that is true and that is exactly why they pirate. Because they feel art should be free, so I should just STFU. And the artists should starve, I suppose.

Talk about a kick in the koalas.
I was referring to the fact that divergent opinions on the matter are apparently verboten on this forum. I'm not fond of censorship of any kind.

While I don't agree with you about file sharing I certainly don't think you're stupid. Maybe immoral, but only in the technical sense that if I believe my position is moral, all contradictory ones must therefore not be. I don't hold it against you, though.

I'm sure you believe you are right, but how can you honestly believe it is 'moral'? It is right for you to just take what you want using other people's labour for free? I believe there's a name for that.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2012, 08:38:20 PM »
Gosh, how generous of you, I am touched.

And certainly divergent opinions are allowed here. One or two subjects are legally problematic for the site owners though, and this is one as has been mentioned. Ofc...actually I think I'll censor myself there.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2012, 08:38:44 PM »

Talk about a kick in the koalas.

Enough of this advocating violence to animals already!

And totally agree with you other than that.  If I want a clown to perform at my niece's birthday I pay him, I don't wait till after he has performed, and then smirk and say you are an artist so you should entertain kids for free and refuse to pay him, same if you have spent several months writing a book for me to enjoy.  
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2012, 08:42:04 PM »
Well, I'm not allowed to disagree on this forum apparently, so we'll have to end to conversation, I'm afraid.

@ Lor: I do not agree that my posts are rude. You will have to PM me and explain exactly why one is. If there's a litmus test I can use then great, but if there isn't you'll just have to deal with the fact that your protestations of rudeness perplex me and there's nothing I can do about it.

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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2012, 08:43:51 PM »
Well, I'm not allowed to disagree on this forum apparently, so we'll have to end to conversation, I'm afraid.

@ Lor: I do not agree that my posts are rude. You will have to PM me and explain exactly why one is. If there's a litmus test I can use then great, but if there isn't you'll just have to deal with the fact that your protestations of rudeness perplex me and there's nothing I can do about it.

I'll bite.

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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2012, 08:48:08 PM »
Someone has never read the threads on Patrick Rothfuss, Mark Lawrence or Peter V Brett and their respective works clearly where there was lots of divergent opinions.

Opinions over subjective manners are fine on this site and there has been many a spirited debate.  Provided we stay on topic and don't start attacking people.

Final note: This is a forum where many people are aspiring or actual writers - saying things like e-books are not a valid format and digital piracy is okay is clearly offensive to these writers.  Just like you wouldn't go on a Muslim forum and say praying five times a day is stupid.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2012, 08:52:50 PM »
The validity of ebooks IS subjective. And while I avoid contact with the religious whenever possible, if I do meet one and my opinion is sought, I WOULD tell them my true opinion.

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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2012, 08:55:05 PM »
The validity of ebooks IS subjective.

As is the value of your opinion.
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Re: About digital piracy
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2012, 08:56:25 PM »
The validity of ebooks IS subjective. And while I avoid contact with the religious whenever possible, if I do meet one and my opinion is sought, I WOULD tell them my true opinion.

Although the validity of the format could be subject to debate (sensible debate) - surely you must be able to see why people on this particular forum get riled by some of the posts you have made which completely dismiss the format. (This has nothing to do with your absurd views on piracy, which I am not even going to begin to tackle)
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