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A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« on: August 20, 2016, 05:40:09 PM »
Would you like to find out if you know how to lie? Most people don’t.

This is a simple exercise in psycho-linguistic analysis you might find interesting. As writers, you may or may not be skilled liars – which is why I am interested in this exercise (that and I haven’t done this in a while).

This exercise provides some interesting insights - so interesting in fact, that I once met a stranger at a bar and within 5 minutes, we both discerned that we had undergone the same training years before. The principals change the way you look at language. If people play, I'll provide all the details and techniques at the end.

If you would like to play, respond to this post by recounting two situations according to the rules below. I can only analyze the first half-dozen responses. If you violate the rules, you will ruin the exercise, and waste a lot of my time, so please don't. If you have a question, ask for clarification.

1.   If false, the situation must still be “realistic”, i.e., a situation that could have happened, or perhaps did happen, but with the details changed, etc. (This is not a fantasy exercise :) )

2.   Use a real situation that happened, or create one, but either way, the situation must be centered primarily on just yourself and one real person for whom you have strong feelings (good or bad, polarity does not matter). The stronger your emotional connection, the better.

3.   The situation must include a problem or event that should not have happened, minor or major.

4.   For each situation provide the essentials of the situation: where you were, who was there, what you were doing, how long you were there, why you were there, when you arrived and left.

5.   Make the account as long as you like, but no shorter than 10 sentences, and no longer than 1 page or so.

6.   Do not state whether the account is true or false.

7.   It doesn't matter whether you state the “polarity” of your relationship (I really like her; he is annoying, etc.) or not.

8.   It does not matter if you’re “supposed” to like the person – like if you hate your mother, despise your spouse, etc. Hence the warning...

***DO NOT TO USE ANOTHER PERSON ON THIS FORUM, or who is going to hear about this exercise. The techniques do not discriminate between people being deceptive to others and those being deceptive with themselves.

I will analyze the text and should be able to tell you:

1.   If you are being deceptive in each account – whether the account is true. I may or may not be able to tell what you’re being deceptive about, but I should be able to point to the parts of the story that are questionable.

2.   I should be able to tell how you really feel about the person – this is the potentially painful part, so again, don’t use people who will hear about the outcome.

Example:
“I met Mark at the mall right after dinner and we went to the bookstore. We do this every few weeks to try and keep our connection going. It was Mark's turn to pay, and I had coffee and a pastry, but Mark didn’t pay because he’s cheap and won’t pay more than two dollars for coffee. None of my friends were there, but we did see Mark's ex-wife in the parking lot going into the Chinese restaurant across the way. Neither of us bought any books. He likes Fantasy, but I like historical fiction. Unlike him, I only read Fantasy when I have to. He is dieting because he has heart issues and is very overweight and at risk for diabetes. I was sore from a marathon and my wife and I had an appointment in the morning. We left at about 8 in the evening. We were supposed to get my mom a birthday card but we both forgot.”
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 06:39:22 PM »
I'm going to do this, but I need time to think about it.

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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 06:46:06 PM »
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3.   The situation must include a problem or event that should not have happened, minor or major.
What exactly is a "problem or event that should not have happened"? Can't work it out from the example you posted.  :-\

Reminds me of an exercise we did in high school. You had to bring in three objects, and for each tell the story of what it means to you. Two of the stories had to be true, one had to be false; the class had to guess which was the false one. Most people sucked at it; not a single person guessed mine correctly.  8)
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 06:47:43 PM »
In the example, Mark was supposed to pay, but he didn't. It doesn't have to be murder or larceny - although that would be AWESOME
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 06:50:02 PM »
Cool. I'll have to think about this. Mostly because there are very few people I have strong feelings towards...  :-\
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 06:54:35 PM »
Surely there's someone you'd either like or dislike to have in the room with you? It doesn't have to be a DEEP or intimate connection, just a strong one - annoying people you know little about certainly qualify! As does that dreamy person who makes your heart skip a beat.

Just remember, there has to be an event that, large or small, did not go as it should have - something wrong done, something right not done, whatever.
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 06:58:55 PM »
Yeah of course, just trying to think of someone where it's as strong as possible!  :P
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2016, 06:59:22 PM »
Cool. I'll have to think about this. Mostly because there are very few people I have strong feelings towards...  :-\

Tyranossaurus are the only ones preventing Raptoris their plans of world dominance, aren't they?  ::)
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2016, 07:05:35 PM »
I Somehow doubt Raptori has never done something wrong that affected Saurus.
@Saurus?

Of course, since he's not supposed to write about someone else on the forum, I guess his sins against Saurus can't be entered into evidence.

Darn.
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 07:07:44 PM »
I Somehow doubt Raptori has never done something wrong that affected Saurus.
@Saurus?

Of course, since he's not supposed to write about someone else on the forum, I guess his sins against Saurus can't be entered into evidence.

Darn.

You could tell us about your sins with goats, though! This thread is calling for a certain dark lord...
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 07:09:13 PM »
I Somehow doubt Raptori has never done something wrong that affected Saurus.
@Saurus?

Of course, since he's not supposed to write about someone else on the forum, I guess his sins against Saurus can't be entered into evidence.

Darn.
Well yeah, kinda obvious that it can't focus on her. Otherwise I'd have the opposite problem - far too many to choose from!  :P
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 11:10:18 PM »
oooh!  i'm totally in.  lemme whip out some stuff this fine, fine saturday afternoon.  i can make up all kinds of stuff!

impromptu writing ftw!

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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 11:30:48 PM »
oooh!  i'm totally in.  lemme whip out some stuff this fine, fine saturday afternoon.  i can make up all kinds of stuff!

impromptu writing ftw!

I am so glad you taught this old dude what "ftw" means.
I keep reminding myself it has nothing to do with nocturnal acts concerning warthogs. Or... Does it
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2016, 11:31:47 PM »
If the warthogs go in for the win - it might Jmack
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Re: A potentially fun exercise in deception and truth-seeing...
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2016, 11:55:56 PM »

JMack at his worst.

JMACK's 1ST STORY

Spoiler for Hiden:
SITUATION 1

So the closest Mrs. JMack and I ever got to divorcing is probably the incident of the Big Screen TV. I'd been whining about size matters for some time, and on Black Friday one year, Mrs. J looked at the sales in the newspaper and said "We could go get you that TV." Well, yeah!

We got to the store, and I lusted for a 3D SmartTV that cost about $500 more than the wife and I had chatted about. I bought it. Turned out it didn't fit in our old-style entertainment center. Which I had known it wouldn't. So I went to a store and bough a lovely wood credenza for it, spending another $500. Now the TV had to go on the wall. Which I certainly knew it did, and knew I couldn't do. Another $300 more.

All this was barely OK, but then we had to decide where to put the entertainment center. Get rid of it! says I. But no, no furniture was to be injured, disposed of, traded, stowed, or discarded in the making of this TV room. The entertainment center went to the front room. The cabinet in the front room went to the upstairs guest room. The chest of drawers in the upstairs guest room went to the sewing room. The furniture in the sewing room was treated with atomic rays so that the various pieces could co-exist in the same space-time moment.

And if this all sounds very funny, bed time wasn't. Because what I'd really done was to recruit everyone in our family to my side by repeatedly pointing out the silliness of not giving up furniture that wasn't needed. Everything else could be forgiven... alsmost. But not public criticism and snideliness.

It's amazing how long a fight can on when you're lying next to someone for hours. You say rotten things, and you forget what you said. Then you deny you said them, and find ways to turn everything on its head so that its her fault. When you're exhausted, and you both turn away to sleep, you feel inches small and miles apart.

Many things in a marriage are things you later joke about. And some things aren't.

JMACK's 2ND STORY

Spoiler for Hiden:
2

"Are you JMack?" asked the camp counselor. "Your grandmother is outside by the cars, and she's crying."

Oh, I thought. And was utterly confused about why, before a brick fell on my head, and I realized. I'd been so excited about getting to camp that I'd run off and barely said thank you or goodbye or see you soon or I love you, or anything. By that time I'd already met a girl - THE girl, I thought, after 3 minutes of conversation, and I really didn't want to deal with Grandma.

I'd stayed at Grandma's the whole summer, earning money at her bookstore. I wasn't a very good employee, since I had a work ethic about the size of a pea. I'd show up, take a long morning break, then a long lunch break, then a long afternoon break, and generally hide in the stacks where she might not see me. I'd been to a week of creative writing camp at the start of the summer - Grandma had paid - and the deal was that I could earn another week of camp at the end. She put up with me, I earned the money - so to speak - and she drove me to Silver Lake Camp once more.

Now she was outside, and I was inside, and I got stubborn and embarraseed. I told the counselor I'd go see her, but I ducked off as soon as his back was turned. I went and got something to eat. I watched THE girl from the other side of the room, and hoped she didn't like that tall guy. Eventually, I looked outside and saw the old VW was gone.

I found a letter recently in which Grandma spoke about how hurt she'd been by my behavior that whole summer. I filed it away.
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