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Title: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Lady Ty on April 05, 2015, 07:19:56 AM
This may be of interest when either the chocolate high or the long weekend doze wear off but it  left me wanting to kick the journalist and write rude comments to the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/03/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-and-the-triumph-of-fantasy-fiction

What annoyed me was the condescension of the article and the implicit assumption that we, as readers, or fantasy authors in general would actually care or consider it an honour to be accepted in the so called "literary mainstream", just because ASoIAF is a raging success? No lack of respect to GRR Martin, but come on- is that the best they can do to acclaim fantasy?

Quite apart from the fact that myth, legend and the glorious stuff of fantasy has been around as mainstream entertainment for centuries, long before Piers Plowman or Chaucer,  it seems that this literary critic, like others who grovel over Booker short lists, are actually trying to climb on the coat tails of one successful and highly commercialised author. He throws in other well known fantasy references but still drags GRRM in at every turn, tries to imply we might compare him with Scott,  and for some obscure reason thinks Wilkie Collins would admire his cliff hangers........

Does it read like that to you or have I missed the point while having my tantrum?

OK, I said I don't usually rant, clearly a blatant lie, but this is the only place I can discuss fantasy with people who know what I'm talking about, so you are all the victims today. >:(

Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: ScarletBea on April 05, 2015, 09:21:34 AM
Oh you are absolutely right!
What a load of patronising tosh!!! >:(

This sounds like it was written by someone who never even comes close to the SFF section a bookshop and only wrote this article because of a TV series and the death of an author. Yes, he read Lord of the Rings, but apparently so did everybody of his age.
His mentions of 'what fantasy normally is' shows his absolutely lack of real knowledge, and is based on the stereotypes that have 'plagued' this genre for decades.
We don't need him or others like him.
(sorry for the rant - I've been seeing articles like this since series 1 of GoT)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: sennydreadful on April 05, 2015, 10:14:31 AM
It's interesting to see fantasy written about in such depth in a newspaper like the Guardian. However, aside from some references to J K Rowling, the author seems to have managed to forget about ALL the significant female authors of fantasy.

As I commented on twitter, if your article on how awesome fantasy is doesn't talk about Robin Hobb and others like her, then it's pretty much worthless. Elspeth Cooper wrote a post about it outlining exactly how ridiculous this is.

http://elspethcooper.com/blog/archives/2204 (http://elspethcooper.com/blog/archives/2204)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Lady Ty on April 05, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
ScarletBea,  glad you agree. The journo's ignorance did show through and as you say only very stereotyped references. Good to see you rant as well 8) 8).

When I posted there were only a couple of comments, but I have looked since and now  there are over 400 giving him hell in general, it seems true fantasy fans have come out in force and the comments are much more fun than the article, ;D ;D

@sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297) your reply has just come, and thank you for posting that link about Women Writing Fantasy. I saw it on Twitter but forgot where and it is a great article to have here on the Forum.
Sorry you missed Bristol and hope you are OK now.Was going to ask you about the Pratchett murals, but Overlord has put great pics on the main site.  :)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: sennydreadful on April 05, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
ScarletBea,  glad you agree. The journo's ignorance did show through and as you say only very stereotyped references. Good to see you rant as well 8) 8).

When I posted there were only a couple of comments, but I have looked since and now  there are over 400 giving him hell in general, it seems true fantasy fans have come out in force and the comments are much more fun than the article, ;D ;D

@sennydreadful (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3297) your reply has just come, and thank you for posting that link about Women Writing Fantasy. I saw it on Twitter but forgot where and it is a great article to have here on the Forum.
Sorry you missed Bristol and hope you are OK now.Was going to ask you about the Pratchett murals, but Overlord has put great pics on the main site.  :)

Thank you! Those Pratchett murals are amazing - people can do some lovely things, sometimes.

Now I might go and read the comments on that article...  ;)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Rostum on April 05, 2015, 03:07:43 PM
Typical fluff piece not aimed at anyone who actually reads SFF. I got as far as "finally taken it's place in the literary mainstream" before thinking Pratchett was always very proud of being the most shoplifted author in the UK. I am so glad Guardian readers will finally hear his name along with those of all those other unknowns who always seem to have a SSF book in the top ten bestsellers.

Can anyone spot a genre author in Amazons current authour popularity list.

 http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/ (http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/)


Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: xiagan on April 05, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
I didn't read the article. Your rants provided me with all the information I needed to know. ;)

Can anyone spot a genre author in Amazons current authour popularity list.

 http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/ (http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/)
What kind of list is that? I read one of the top 10, have heard the names of two more and have no idea of the other seven. I can't remember having seen their books in bookshops and I'm usually good at things like that.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: JMack on April 05, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
I didn't read the article. Your rants provided me with all the information I needed to know. ;)

Can anyone spot a genre author in Amazons current authour popularity list.

 http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/ (http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/)
What kind of list is that? I read one of the top 10, have heard the names of two more and have no idea of the other seven. I can't remember having seen their books in bookshops and I'm usually good at things like that.
It actually makes mostly complete sense to me. But OrestbStelmach? Who the heck is that? Sejal Baldani?

But in terms of genre, absolutely!

Harlan Coben writes super mystery/thrillers.
Diana Gabaldon, we know her, yes? Outlander is actually pretty well written. And the new TV series is fun.
James Patterson and David Baldacci, huge mystery-thriller writers
Hawkins is new. girl of the train is a big hit right now, and I'd like to read it
Melissa Olson is clearly genre - sort UF/Romance? based on covers, maybe YA too?

What this list does say is that Romance and Thrillers sell.



Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Eclipse on April 05, 2015, 03:46:09 PM
I didn't read the article. Your rants provided me with all the information I needed to know. ;)

Can anyone spot a genre author in Amazons current authour popularity list.

 http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/ (http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/)
What kind of list is that? I read one of the top 10, have heard the names of two more and have no idea of the other seven. I can't remember having seen their books in bookshops and I'm usually good at things like that.
It actually makes mostly complete sense to me. But OrestbStelmach? Who the heck is that? Sejal Baldani?

But in terms of genre, absolutely!

Harlan Coben writes super mystery/thrillers.
Diana Gabaldon, we know her, yes? Outlander is actually pretty well written. And the new TV series is fun.
James Patterson and David Baldacci, huge mystery-thriller writers
Hawkins is new. girl of the train is a big hit right now, and I'd like to read it
Melissa Olson is clearly genre - sort UF/Romance? based on covers, maybe YA too?

What this list does say is that Romance and Thrillers sell.

Where's Lee Child?
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Eclipse on April 05, 2015, 03:48:25 PM
Oh his on the second page with GRRM  :) and umm J.R.Ward and Abbie Zanders have you seen those covers my eyes hurt  ;D

 
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: ScarletBea on April 05, 2015, 04:27:58 PM
I tried finding that page for Amazon.co.uk but it doesn't exist.
I think we still have a huge difference between books sold in the US and those sold in the UK...
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Rostum on April 05, 2015, 04:35:21 PM
Quote
What kind of list is that? I read one of the top 10, have heard the names of two more and have no idea of the other seven. I can't remember having seen their books in bookshops and I'm usually good at things like that.

Sorry for clarification The list is the most popular Authors by sales worldwide on Amazon. It is updated hourly.
So when say Winds of Winter is released George will probably move up to the number one spot and drift back down when equally well known authours have books released. There will always be SFF authors in the top 10 or 20. People need to escape into tales that take them to other worlds.
Remember that over half the worlds population live in India and China (although I know nothing of Amazons of Amazons sales penetration in Asia) so it is a straw guide to whats selling if not whats being read.

The point being John Mullens assertion that SFF could become mainstream is incorrect. It always was and only the pidgeon holing of books into lots of different catogories would have caused someone who hadn't a clue not to understand that, say the Harry potter and discworld books were good examples of fantasy from best selling authors whether they were labled as young adult or comedy or not.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: ScarletBea on April 05, 2015, 04:39:40 PM
The list is the most popular Authors by sales worldwide on Amazon.

I doubt it's worldwide, it only says 'sales on Amazon.com' (the specific US site). If people from other countries buy there, fine, but Europe has got specific Amazon sites all of their own that aren't included in the list (off the top of my head I can think of individual sites for the UK, Germany, France and Spain).
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Raptori on April 05, 2015, 04:46:43 PM
The list is the most popular Authors by sales worldwide on Amazon.

I doubt it's worldwide, it only says 'sales on Amazon.com' (the specific US site). If people from other countries buy there, fine, but Europe has got specific Amazon sites all of their own that aren't included in the list (off the top of my head I can think of individual sites for the UK, Germany, France and Spain).
Plus you can order from any of the European ones from any other European country - we've bought stuff from .co.uk and .de to be delivered to Finland in the past. Finland's probably too small a market to warrant its own Amazon site  :-\
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: JMack on April 05, 2015, 04:51:29 PM
The list is the most popular Authors by sales worldwide on Amazon.

I doubt it's worldwide, it only says 'sales on Amazon.com' (the specific US site). If people from other countries buy there, fine, but Europe has got specific Amazon sites all of their own that aren't included in the list (off the top of my head I can think of individual sites for the UK, Germany, France and Spain).
Plus you can order from any of the European ones from any other European country - we've bought stuff from .co.uk and .de to be delivered to Finland in the past. Finland's probably too small a market to warrant its own Amazon site  :-\
No, wait. U.S. = worldwide, didn't you know?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Raptori on April 05, 2015, 04:54:22 PM
The list is the most popular Authors by sales worldwide on Amazon.

I doubt it's worldwide, it only says 'sales on Amazon.com' (the specific US site). If people from other countries buy there, fine, but Europe has got specific Amazon sites all of their own that aren't included in the list (off the top of my head I can think of individual sites for the UK, Germany, France and Spain).
Plus you can order from any of the European ones from any other European country - we've bought stuff from .co.uk and .de to be delivered to Finland in the past. Finland's probably too small a market to warrant its own Amazon site  :-\
No, wait. U.S. = worldwide, didn't you know?  ;)
So... tempted... to press... like...

...  :o ...

...fine, I give in.  ;D
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: ScarletBea on April 05, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
So... tempted... to press... like...

...  :o ...

...fine, I give in.  ;D

 ;D I don't give in.
This is a country that calls US sales 'domestic', regardless of the selling place/company ::)
So a big "Not like" ;)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Raptori on April 05, 2015, 05:10:01 PM
So... tempted... to press... like...

...  :o ...

...fine, I give in.  ;D

 ;D I don't give in.
This is a country that calls US sales 'domestic', regardless of the selling place/company ::)
So a big "Not like" ;)
Well I took it as @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) mocking the arrogance of America, which is at least vaguely like-worthy when coming from an American.  :P
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: JMack on April 05, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
So... tempted... to press... like...

...  :o ...

...fine, I give in.  ;D

 ;D I don't give in.
This is a country that calls US sales 'domestic', regardless of the selling place/company ::)
So a big "Not like" ;)
Well I took it as @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) mocking the arrogance of America, which is at least vaguely like-worthy when coming from an American.  :P
Yes, this ^  ;D

Then I thought I'd rag on the U.S. some more by finding the original source for the term "jingoism". Imagine my surprise to find the source was...
Britain


We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too
We've fought the Bear before, and while we're Britons true
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.

Arrogance: It's all in the family?  ;)
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Raptori on April 05, 2015, 05:22:17 PM
So... tempted... to press... like...

...  :o ...

...fine, I give in.  ;D

 ;D I don't give in.
This is a country that calls US sales 'domestic', regardless of the selling place/company ::)
So a big "Not like" ;)
Well I took it as @Jmacyk (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=37094) mocking the arrogance of America, which is at least vaguely like-worthy when coming from an American.  :P
Yes, this ^  ;D

Then I thought I'd rag on the U.S. some more by finding the original source for the term "jingoism". Imagine my surprise to find the source was...
Britain


We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do
We've got the ships, we've got the men, we've got the money too
We've fought the Bear before, and while we're Britons true
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.

It's all in the family?  ;)
Lol yeah, the UK is almost as bad as the US. I'm not really a fan of patriotism at all to be honest - dividing people up based on where they were born, teaching them to identify more with others from nearby, and think of people from anywhere else as different and alien... fairly easy to see where that leads!
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Conan on April 05, 2015, 05:37:08 PM
Clearly this is a sore subject.

My opinion on this has changed and I now think the evolution of the genre is a positive thing.

More fantasy writers and fans of both genders will continue to evolve the genre further. Perhaps what we recognize as fantasy today will be 'Old Hat' in another 40 years from now.

I do think that some people seek an emotional connection to characters in fiction--that personally--I could take or leave.

I don't know if that is because I am a man or not. It could be just me and the way I think.

I do not need to feel emotionally vested in a protagonist to enjoy a story, not even a little.

I do feel an emotional connection to fantasy in general though and I think that whatever form of escapism we identify with is a healthy thing in the long run.

Perhaps the genre should be looked at as Old School , New School, ...Developing School?

I am willing to tip my hat of respect to all three .....even Bears.

c



Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: sennydreadful on April 05, 2015, 05:46:21 PM


I do think that some people seek an emotional connection to characters in fiction--that personally--I could take or leave.

I don't know if that is because I am a man or not. It could be just me and the way I think.

I do not need to feel emotionally vested in a protagonist to enjoy a story, not even a little.


c

I honestly think this has nowt to do with gender, and everything to do with personal preference. I know plenty of men (the majority of men I know, maybe?) who want to be emotionally invested in characters. I also know a lot of women who like a really good blood bath and plenty of violence - and all shades in between.

The sooner we move away from "I like this because I am a man, you like this because you are a woman" the better off we'll all be, I reckon.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Raptori on April 05, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
Clearly this is a sore subject.

My opinion on this has changed and I now think the evolution of the genre is a positive thing.

More fantasy writers and fans of both genders will continue to evolve the genre further. Perhaps what we recognize as fantasy today will be 'Old Hat' in another 40 years from now.

I do think that some people seek an emotional connection to characters in fiction--that personally--I could take or leave.

I don't know if that is because I am a man or not. It could be just me and the way I think.

I do not need to feel emotionally vested in a protagonist to enjoy a story, not even a little.

I do feel an emotional connection to fantasy in general though and I think that whatever form of escapism we identify with is a healthy thing in the long run.

Perhaps the genre should be looked at as Old School , New School, ...Developing School?

I am willing to tip my hat of respect to all three .....even Bears.

c
Interesting comments. I personally look for that emotional connection, and I'm male too lol. It's definitely nothing to do with your gender! :D

It's not that I need to feel emotionally vested in the protagonist to enjoy a story, the difference is that it matters far more to me when I am. Which is weird, because I'm not the kind of person who cares more when a friend or family member is hurt than when a stranger is - even more, I'm just as upset by the suffering of a cow as I would be by the suffering of a human going through the same situation...

I think it's more likely that the genre is just diversifying rather than just evolving. As long as there are people who enjoy reading a fun sword and sorcery adventure, there will be people writing stuff like that. The difference now is that there's a lot more variety to choose from, which I think is a wonderful thing.  :)


I honestly think this has nowt to do with gender, and everything to do with personal preference. I know plenty of men (the majority of men I know, maybe?) who want to be emotionally invested in characters. I also know a lot of women who like a really good blood bath and plenty of violence - and all shades in between.

The sooner we move away from "I like this because I am a man, you like this because you are a woman" the better off we'll all be, I reckon.
Couldn't agree more - gender is irrelevant to pretty much everything.
 
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Yora on April 05, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
What annoyed me was the condescension of the article and the implicit assumption that we, as readers, or fantasy authors in general would actually care or consider it an honour to be accepted in the so called "literary mainstream", just because ASoIAF is a raging success?
If you get accepted into the literary mainstream, I think you seriously have to question yourself as a fantasy writer. Clearly you'd be doing something terribly wrong.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Elfy on April 06, 2015, 12:09:55 AM
I'm a bloke and I tend to struggle with a book if I can't make some sort of emotional connection with the characters.
On the whole fantasy is mainstream thing, it's been mainstream for a very long time, you get these condescending articles from time to time, they tend to be written by people who read very narrowly.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: ultamentkiller on April 06, 2015, 03:21:15 AM
So pretty much, what I got from that article was, I love George R. R. Martin and I'm going to use this paper to show you how much, while trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Lady Ty on April 06, 2015, 03:33:29 AM
Oh his on the second page with GRRM  :) and umm J.R.Ward and Abbie Zanders have you seen those covers my eyes hurt  ;D

Got to this page, saw GRRM was below an author whose tag is "Short, Sweet, Hot and Dirty", ROFL and gave up. ;D  ;D  ;D

Don't really think these lists are of much use except to promote sales. They can't be analysed seriously other than to see which books are the latest films or award winners and what the media is buzzing about at this moment. Should think it is only by analysing constant sales over several years you get any sense of long term changes and I believe this is where ongoing rise in fantasy choices will show. Most of the present vampire, paranormal, urban fantasy etc spinoffs will drop out and the best remain.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Lady Ty on April 06, 2015, 05:05:27 AM
Clearly this is a sore subject.

My opinion on this has changed and I now think the evolution of the genre is a positive thing.

More fantasy writers and fans of both genders will continue to evolve the genre further. Perhaps what we recognize as fantasy today will be 'Old Hat' in another 40 years from now.


Perhaps the genre should be looked at as Old School , New School, ...Developing School?


Edited to apologise for double post, but I accidentally wiped my first two and made a muddle, so it has arrived in two parts.

I am willing to tip my hat of respect to all three .....even Bears.


I love the evolution of the genre, it has come so far in a comparatively short time and the new imagination and complexity is genuinely awesome to me, originally nourished on quest.

Not very keen on labels usually though I like Old School, New School and Developing School, but they will be flexible according to your own personal viewpoint and as time goes on they are all going to slip backwards. 
 
Depends what you grew up with and what came before, do you call Dragonlance, Belgariad, Dragonbone Chair or Thomas Covenant 'Old School' for example? When I read them they were New or Developing, although I hope in time they will all be regarded as Fantasy Classics. ;D

Reckon everyone here should make a list of their present day favourites and hide it until you have teenage grandchildren and see which they think are "Öld School", just for fun.  Maybe some of those books will be required school reading. ;D





Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: xiagan on April 06, 2015, 09:42:55 AM
So pretty much, what I got from that article was, I love George R. R. Martin and I'm going to use this paper to show you how much, while trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about.
There was a Pat Rothfuss signing last month and I knew the girl who organized it. She said something along the lines "I usually don't read fantasy, but I enjoyed the Name of the Wind immensely."
This bothered me, but I wasn't fast enough to say it back then. It bothered me, because either she thinks all fantasy is as its worst stereotype (which means she has no idea what she was talking about - and she works in a book shop) or she isn't reading fantasy because she would be ashamed to admit it. Dunno what's worse.  :P
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Yora on April 06, 2015, 12:28:35 PM
The worst would be claiming that Name of the Wind isn't really fantasy but serious lierature.
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Conan on April 06, 2015, 04:27:43 PM
Clearly this is a sore subject.



 
Depends what you grew up with and what came before, do you call Dragonlance, Belgariad, Dragonbone Chair or Thomas Covenant 'Old School' for example? When I read them they were New or Developing, although I hope in time they will all be regarded as Fantasy Classics. ;D



Dragonlance was in its first printing when I read it. I considered it new school at the time. I reread the series in 1991 while home for Christmas break from college. I read all six books in seven days and then fell into a Dragonlance coma for a month and zoned out of most of my second semester.

In my classic literature forum the the groups are divided into new school and old school by century.

We just finished Beowulf and I would not identify that with old school but instead as a stand alone.

Mind numbing drivel.

c
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Yora on April 06, 2015, 04:30:29 PM
Wait, are you implying there are only two kinds of fantasy and some other random works?
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Lady Ty on April 07, 2015, 02:54:37 AM
Clearly this is a sore subject.



 
Depends what you grew up with and what came before, do you call Dragonlance, Belgariad, Dragonbone Chair or Thomas Covenant 'Old School' for example? When I read them they were New or Developing, although I hope in time they will all be regarded as Fantasy Classics. ;D



Dragonlance was in its first printing when I read it. I considered it new school at the time. I reread the series in 1991 while home for Christmas break from college. I read all six books in seven days and then fell into a Dragonlance coma for a month and zoned out of most of my second semester.

In my classic literature forum the the groups are divided into new school and old school by century.
c

Only sore at journo's attitude in article.

Presume you are referring to all classics and not just fantasy, when do you draw the line between old and new classics? Only for personal interest, often so much discussion about having precise definitions and I never really think it matters as a reader, unless you are an academic or historian. Not keen on genre sub-sub-sub-sub divisions that seem to bother people, but mostly ignore it.

Envy  the indulgence of Dragonlance coma,  but originally did you have to wait impatiently for each one to come out? My son and I fought over who got book first. :) Slightly nostalgic for when there were less to choose, nowadays there is an avalanche and never enough time.  I think Forgotten Realms were coming out then, with  Drizzt Do'úrden, Dark Elf, did you read them as well?

Apologies for my strange edit that got in the middle of your quote, goblins in keyboard again. :-[
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Conan on April 07, 2015, 07:01:43 AM
I remember that the Dragonlance books had their own dedicated shelf for a while and I think some were set right next to the counter at Waldens.
When I got Dragons of Spring Dawning, I couldn't believe I was actually holding it. The beautiful glossy green was like eye candy. The ink was fresh and thick; I felt true joy. It was a sin to open it and put a wrinkle in the cover. The old men smoking their pipes in front of Walden Books and the shelves full of fresh inky perfume....Ahhhh!! Now that's something an eBook can never offer.
Of course smoking is banned now and book stores seem soulless, peddling their cappuccino and knick knacks; just one step away from being swallowed up by the mega-marts of the future.
c
Title: Re: "The Triumph of Fantasy Fiction?"
Post by: Elfy on April 07, 2015, 08:22:04 AM
I remember that the Dragonlance books had their own dedicated shelf for a while and I think some were set right next to the counter at Waldens.
When I got Dragons of Spring Dawning, I couldn't believe I was actually holding it. The beautiful glossy green was like eye candy. The ink was fresh and thick; I felt true joy. It was a sin to open it and put a wrinkle in the cover. The old men smoking their pipes in front of Walden Books and the shelves full of fresh inky perfume....Ahhhh!! Now that's something an eBook can never offer.
Of course smoking is banned now and book stores seem soulless, peddling their cappuccino and knick knacks; just one step away from being swallowed up by the mega-marts of the future.
c
Dragonlance initially started with the Hickman and Weis trilogies: Chronicles and Legends. After that TSR farmed the concept and characters out to all sorts of writers. Hickman and Weis later returned and added to the whole thing. I'm not sure how many books were there, but it would have had to go into the 100's when you added everything up. They were good old fashioned fantasy fun. The idea was to write something that read like one of the games TSR sold.