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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2015, 09:09:01 PM »
Interesting situation, it does feel like he's brought it on himself.

It's possible to avoid spoilers and stuff if you just don't click the links - I've never read the books or watched the show, and I have literally no clue what happens at all. It's a complete mystery to me. I guess someone who is a fan of the series would find it very hard to do that though...  8)
I think the problem is less with clicking on links and seeing stuff online for me. I have friends who read the books and watch the show. So, when they start getting ahead, those friends will be talking amongst themselves, and if I happen to be around, could quite easily spoil something for me.
That's why whenever I'm reading something, or haven't read a book yet, I try to get away from any conversation about it, because it gives me clues.
But you can't always get away from those conversations...
That makes sense I guess. I don't have any friends, so that wouldn't be a problem for me  :P
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2015, 11:23:55 PM »
With the way the show has worked itself into the public consciousness it's very hard not to avoid spoilers when the show goes places the books haven't yet. With the Harry Potters as long as you read the books fairly soon after they came out you could avoid being spoiled if you really wanted to, but that's partly because Rowling kept writing ahead of the films, George has put himself into some fairly dangerous territory on that front. Generally I don't like to read books if I've already seen the film, but with Game of Thrones the two are different enough that it doesn't really bother me that much. For instance the way the show may make a major reveal could be very different to the way George writes the same event. I remember hearing him read Dance's opening chapter at a convention, it takes place mostly in the head of the character. Someone mentioned how hard that would be to film and George's smug reply was 'Not my problem.' He's already stated that the books are canon, the TV show is not. They'll probably agree on the main points, but how they do it is different.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 08:14:16 AM »
I'm really curious how this is going to play out on a few fronts.  I've only watched the show up to season 2, but from what I remember, the show took its dialogue, word-for-word, from the book.  I'm wondering if all they have is a detailed outline of plot points going forward, if they dialogue is going to suffer as a result.  If Martin is not heavily involved with the scripts going forward, I would imagine the dialogue will be vastly different when the books come out.  That alone would make reading the books way more enjoyable whenever they're finally released.  This may, in the long run, hurt the shows overall quality compared to the books too.

I'm also curious about how this will affect future film/tv projects based on on-going book series.  Are studios going to avoid starting on projects that haven't concluded yet?  Will author's be reluctant to sell the rights for a series they are presently writing if they aren't fairly confident they can outpace the show/films?  I still say it's a pretty crappy deal for people who have been reading ASoIF for nearly two decades.  And I think this is unprecedented.  Has this ever happened before? 

As the author, I'd feel guilty about this outcome.  I am one of the people who is not at all bothered by how long it takes an author to write their books.  There are so many other great stories to read, and things to do, that the wait doesn't even feel like a wait because I'm not thinking about it.  I only really had one expectation I placed on an author before this, and that was:  Make sure you finish the story; barring any circumstances preventing you from doing so.  Just don't leave us hanging.

Now I feel like I have to add:  Don't tell someone else what happens in the story, so they can make a tv show out of it, before you tell us what happens by writing the books.

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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2015, 08:38:49 AM »
I've only watched the show up to season 2, but from what I remember, the show took its dialogue, word-for-word, from the book. 
The bold/underlined section is your problem: go to seasons 3 and 4 and see how they started to deviate from the books, slowly at first, and then with many scenes/plots that you go "what the....?? :o"

So yes, I expect season 5 to be "inspired by the books" and seasons 6 and 7 to be "vaguely remotely connected to some characters that appeared in books"...
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2015, 09:19:43 AM »
I watched the first two seasons before I ever read any of the books, and it didn't put me off reading them; it actually made me more eager.

I'll happily watch the next seasons, and maybe by the time the remaining books are released, I won't remember much anyway. I've often thought if George R. R. Martin told the writers an alternate ending to the one which he himself thought for the books, and that would be great - to have two possible versions, one of them canonical. The more I see the TV show stepping away from the books, the more I think this could actually happen, so I'm hopeful :)
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2015, 05:57:52 AM »
I watched the first two seasons before I ever read any of the books, and it didn't put me off reading them; it actually made me more eager.

I'll happily watch the next seasons, and maybe by the time the remaining books are released, I won't remember much anyway. I've often thought if George R. R. Martin told the writers an alternate ending to the one which he himself thought for the books, and that would be great - to have two possible versions, one of them canonical. The more I see the TV show stepping away from the books, the more I think this could actually happen, so I'm hopeful :)
I think George has had enough trouble coming up with an ending himself, without making up a different one for the TV show.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2015, 11:08:16 AM »
I watched the first two seasons before I ever read any of the books, and it didn't put me off reading them; it actually made me more eager.

I'll happily watch the next seasons, and maybe by the time the remaining books are released, I won't remember much anyway. I've often thought if George R. R. Martin told the writers an alternate ending to the one which he himself thought for the books, and that would be great - to have two possible versions, one of them canonical. The more I see the TV show stepping away from the books, the more I think this could actually happen, so I'm hopeful :)
I think George has had enough trouble coming up with an ending himself, without making up a different one for the TV show.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2015, 01:34:46 PM »
As a loyal reader I for one won't feel cheated or will be avoiding the remaining (possibly) couple of seasons. Yes there may be some major plot points revealed but I think Martin and the shows writers are both savvy enough to not give all the secrets away.

The two writers may have been given a general overview of the end which because of the nature of the 10 episode/50 mins per episode format we will only get the bare bones and a lot will be left out (in the same way a lot has already been left out).

There will still be enough for book purists not to be that upset that the show finishes first.

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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2015, 11:04:02 PM »
I watched the first two seasons before I ever read any of the books, and it didn't put me off reading them; it actually made me more eager.

I'll happily watch the next seasons, and maybe by the time the remaining books are released, I won't remember much anyway. I've often thought if George R. R. Martin told the writers an alternate ending to the one which he himself thought for the books, and that would be great - to have two possible versions, one of them canonical. The more I see the TV show stepping away from the books, the more I think this could actually happen, so I'm hopeful :)
I think George has had enough trouble coming up with an ending himself, without making up a different one for the TV show.
George is a panster? George is a panster! The most lauded fantasy series in a generation, and where's his beat sheet?! Where's his three-act structure, hmm? I knew these books weren't any good.



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Yep, he's a pantser. He refers to himself as being more of a gardener than an architect. He prefers to let the story grow organically rather than plan it all out meticulously. Stephen King is also a pantser, he referred to outliners as frustrated college lecturers in one of his works about writing, I think it may have been in On Writing.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2015, 11:06:00 PM »
I watched the first two seasons before I ever read any of the books, and it didn't put me off reading them; it actually made me more eager.

I'll happily watch the next seasons, and maybe by the time the remaining books are released, I won't remember much anyway. I've often thought if George R. R. Martin told the writers an alternate ending to the one which he himself thought for the books, and that would be great - to have two possible versions, one of them canonical. The more I see the TV show stepping away from the books, the more I think this could actually happen, so I'm hopeful :)
I think George has had enough trouble coming up with an ending himself, without making up a different one for the TV show.
George is a panster? George is a panster! The most lauded fantasy series in a generation, and where's his beat sheet?! Where's his three-act structure, hmm? I knew these books weren't any good.



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Yep, he's a pantser. He refers to himself as being more of a gardener than an architect. He prefers to let the story grow organically rather than plan it all out meticulously. Stephen King is also a pantser, he referred to outliners as frustrated college lecturers in one of his works about writing, I think it may have been in On Writing.
Re: King.
So that explains it.
I mean, that explains "It".  ;)
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2015, 11:11:08 PM »
It's funny how vehement people on either side can be. Especially considering that it's a spectrum rather than a binary thing.

I read a book on story structure a while ago by some random guy (whose novels aren't much of a success, but whose writing advice is - go figure), and about three quarters of the book was him railing against discovery writers and saying their approach is just stupid. There were some nuggets of wisdom amongst the crap, it was just shocking that there was so much crap there. Not to mention he explained everything using about ten different metaphors every single time. A condensed version of that book containing all of the actual points would probably be 1/10th of the actual length.  ???
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2015, 11:21:10 PM »

Re: King.
So that explains it.
I mean, that explains "It".  ;)
It actually explains quite a lot of King's work. Despite the fact that he wrote himself into a corner with It, I still love the book and it's one of my favourites. On the other hand and a bit more on topic I only read The Gunslinger out of sheer bloodymindedness, for all that it's a short book and couldn't be bothered with continuing on in the series. People did tell me that it gets better, but I got sucked into that with Malazan and Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series. Life is too short to read series that I'm not enjoying in the hopes that they 'get better'.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
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Re: King.
So that explains it.
I mean, that explains "It".  ;)
It actually explains quite a lot of King's work. Despite the fact that he wrote himself into a corner with It, I still love the book and it's one of my favourites. On the other hand and a bit more on topic I only read The Gunslinger out of sheer bloodymindedness, for all that it's a short book and couldn't be bothered with continuing on in the series. People did tell me that it gets better, but I got sucked into that with Malazan and Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series. Life is too short to read series that I'm not enjoying in the hopes that they 'get better'.

King's Dark Tower sequence is a very marmite series of books. I've read all of them and it was very nearly 20  years of my reading life what with the large gaps between publications. I will be honest after it ended it did put me off starting on a mammoth series again - in fact I very nearly passed on ASoIaF. Breaking DT down it works like this for me...

The Gunslinger
The Drawing Of The Three
The Wastelands

This is a brilliant trilogy and if he had somehow wrapped the whole thing up there I'd have been happy.

Wizard And Glass
Great standalone fantasy story and can be pretty much read outside of the min series.

The Wind Through The Keyhole
Another great standalone, written nearly 8 years after the King finished the main series and slots into the main body around about here IIRC.

Wolves Of The Calla
Song Of Susannah
The Dark Tower

These final three books were a kinda mess resulting in King writing himself in as a character which came across as god (which seeing as he was the creator of the series he was in way). And as for the ending, well after 20 odd years I did feel somewhat cheated.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2015, 12:22:29 AM »
Didn't King's brush with mortality prompt him to crack on and finish that series? George has had a few health scares, but it doesn't seem to have had the same effect.
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Re: Game of Thrones confirms spoilers for future books
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2015, 11:35:09 AM »

Re: King.
So that explains it.
I mean, that explains "It".  ;)
It actually explains quite a lot of King's work. Despite the fact that he wrote himself into a corner with It, I still love the book and it's one of my favourites. On the other hand and a bit more on topic I only read The Gunslinger out of sheer bloodymindedness, for all that it's a short book and couldn't be bothered with continuing on in the series. People did tell me that it gets better, but I got sucked into that with Malazan and Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series. Life is too short to read series that I'm not enjoying in the hopes that they 'get better'.

King's Dark Tower sequence is a very marmite series of books. I've read all of them and it was very nearly 20  years of my reading life what with the large gaps between publications. I will be honest after it ended it did put me off starting on a mammoth series again - in fact I very nearly passed on ASoIaF. Breaking DT down it works like this for me...

The Gunslinger
The Drawing Of The Three
The Wastelands

This is a brilliant trilogy and if he had somehow wrapped the whole thing up there I'd have been happy.

Wizard And Glass
Great standalone fantasy story and can be pretty much read outside of the min series.

The Wind Through The Keyhole
Another great standalone, written nearly 8 years after the King finished the main series and slots into the main body around about here IIRC.

Wolves Of The Calla
Song Of Susannah
The Dark Tower

These final three books were a kinda mess resulting in King writing himself in as a character which came across as god (which seeing as he was the creator of the series he was in way). And as for the ending, well after 20 odd years I did feel somewhat cheated.

The Drawing of the Three and Wizard and Glass are two of my favourite books ever. I have, over the years, come to terms with the ending of the series, but back in the mists of time I used to belong to a Dark Tower fan forum, and believe me some of the rants as the final books came out were epic.  8)
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