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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2020, 11:30:17 AM »
Tom Hardy is 43 years old. If we say his first Bond films comes out 2023, then another in 2025, and the third in 2027, he'll be fifty after just three films.
I like Hardy fine, but shouldn't they be going with someone younger for a ladykiller in peak physical condition?
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2020, 05:53:43 PM »
Wow, someone kink shaming me for being into older men here? lol

Nothing wrong for a man to be 50 and a hot silver fox. It'd be nice to have bond ladies who aren't twenty something... Or top models... or ladies... or dick receptacles.

Trailers for the new bond show us a gorgeous badass black lady being the new 00. I'd love to see her story for a change.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2020, 06:06:45 PM »
It'd be nice to have bond ladies who aren't twenty something... Or top models... or ladies... or dick receptacles.

Monica Bellucci  :-*
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2020, 11:44:12 PM »
Wow, someone kink shaming me for being into older men here? lol

Nothing wrong for a man to be 50 and a hot silver fox. It'd be nice to have bond ladies who aren't twenty something... Or top models... or ladies... or dick receptacles.

Trailers for the new bond show us a gorgeous badass black lady being the new 00. I'd love to see her story for a change.
The age isn’t really an issue. Roger Moore was actually 3 years older than Seán Connery. So he was well into his 40’s when he was cast. He started making noises about leaving as early as The Spy Who Loved Me (his 3rd, and IMO best, outing as Bond), he continued in the role (for too long), because Cubby Broccoli really liked him and kept adding 0’s to the cheque.
As for the black female 007 I’ve got no problems with seeing her story, but that’s not a Bond film. That’s a story about another character who happens to be a black female spy. Michael G. Wilson did have serious plans to make  a spin off franchise starring Halle Berry as Jinx (her character in Die Another Day), but it never really got off the ground. I suspect because the character was poorly written and acted, and consequently wasn’t all that well received, as was the mess that was Die Another Day. If people really want films about strong female Bondians then they need to find a vehicle for them. Modesty Blaise immediately springs to mind, but the mistakes they’ve made in bringing that character to screen in the past cause problems.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2020, 11:54:55 PM »
I liked Tom Hardy as an actor, but well as James Bond I'd rather preferred Idris Elba or Henry Cavill. I'd like to see Bond back to one of the classier types, more like the old James Bonds (Pierce Brosnan and Sean Connery), which would provide a good contrast since we already have 4 movies of the more gritty type of Bond by Daniel Craig.
Connery (especially early Connery) was as gritty as they got. Roger Moore was the one who introduced the smoothness, and injected a lot of the humour (although Connery had the best line when meeting Plenty O’Toole ‘named after your father, perhaps?’). The less said about Dalton, the better, and Brosnan combined Connery’s edge with Moore’s urbanity. I wanted to dislike Craig, because he was nothing like the other Bonds (shorter, blonder, and I still don’t think he ever quite got the voice right), but Casino Royale was so damn good, and he made an early thuggish Bond so believable, then of course we had Eva Green (sigh) as Vesper Lynd (she’s probably just shaded by Michelle Yeoh’s Wai Lin as my favourite ever Bond girl). I’m happy with Hardy, because I think he’ll do really well, but I would have liked to see Tom Huddleston get the role after what he did in The Night Manager.  I found Moore fun at the time, but we really don’t want the franchise to go back to that.

This is a very good historical Bond analysis. I kind of want to frame it and put it somewhere.
I didn't mind Dalton b/c he was ignorable and also b/c there was a cellist in one of his movies and I like the cello.
Also I have a crush on Eva Green.
The cellist was Kara Milovy (played awfully by Maryam D’Abo in The Living Daylights). I rate her as one of the worst Bond women ever (Denise Richards’ Christmas Jones is dreadful as well, and I’m convinced she got the role because of how she looked in a wet t-shirt, but prior to that film Denise had at least proven she could act), Kara is shaded by Britt Ekland’s Mary Goodnight from The Man With the Golden Gun (again my opinion, but that one is the worst film in the entire franchise, it’s only saving grace is Christopher Lee as Francisco Scaramanga). Kara was one of the few leading ladies that Bond doesn’t sleep with, he shakes her hand at the end.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2020, 04:09:05 AM »
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If people really want films about strong female Bondians then they need to find a vehicle for them

A vehicle? You mean like, a film? Like you get a good director, some money, a good cast, a fun plot, a great villain, a great actress and make a good film? That sort of vehicle?

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As for the black female 007 I’ve got no problems with seeing her story, but that’s not a Bond film. That’s a story about another character who happens to be a black female spy.

Yeah, I was not saying that the next "James Bond" movie should be about "another character who happens to be a black female spy". I'm saying the franchise, the world of James Bond, could afford to do some spin offs that offer something different than a jaded hot middle aged white guy stringing women. That can be a "bond franchise" thing, you know, to explore different themes, different angles, maybe even different time periods.  Not offering to steal away the precious "bond" experience.

I would 100% not watch a Tom Hardy Bond. ANY Bond post Casino Royal has been a snoozefest for me, and the only reason I planned on seeing the new one was to see Rami Malek as a baddie...
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2020, 04:22:33 AM »
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If people really want films about strong female Bondians then they need to find a vehicle for them

A vehicle? You mean like, a film? Like you get a good director, some money, a good cast, a fun plot, a great villain, a great actress and make a good film? That sort of vehicle?

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As for the black female 007 I’ve got no problems with seeing her story, but that’s not a Bond film. That’s a story about another character who happens to be a black female spy.

Yeah, I was not saying that the next "James Bond" movie should be about "another character who happens to be a black female spy". I'm saying the franchise, the world of James Bond, could afford to do some spin offs that offer something different than a jaded hot middle aged white guy stringing women. That can be a "bond franchise" thing, you know, to explore different themes, different angles, maybe even different time periods.  Not offering to steal away the precious "bond" experience.

I would 100% not watch a Tom Hardy Bond. ANY Bond post Casino Royal has been a snoozefest for me, and the only reason I planned on seeing the new one was to see Rami Malek as a baddie...
Yes, I mean that sort of vehicle, and as I said there’s one sitting there with Modesty Blaise, but no one seems to be able to put it altogether and make it work. I suspect that there may not be a Bond franchise post No Time to Die in any case with how the current situation has impacted the film world in general. Money problems almost meant that Skyfall (damn good film, too) almost never happened.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2020, 04:39:08 AM »
Craig's Bond is supposed to be a prequel type character before he became sauve, sophisticated and gadget dependant. It was Bond in the making. The original Ian Fleming version of a "blunt instrument". It was just a different and more gritty take on the genre. I expect Tom Hardy to bridge the gap from Craig to Brosnan.

Too much would have to be tweaked to get a female Bond that it'd be more of a new franchise.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2020, 07:53:18 AM »
Yeah, I think switching the franchise to 007: Jane Bond would be a clumsy way to be woke, and I dread to think about the screamy, frothy-mouthed reaction from the internet's dank, dark corners. There's nothing wrong with continuing to make old-fashioned, somewhat silly male power fantasies, as long as the female leads aren't useless airheads.

But I WOULD like to see a female action spy series, and I think a spinoff would be a good way to get it going. The association might help against that tendency of female-led action movies to simply be badly made. I guess because Hollywood doesn't have faith in those and so doesn't hand the reins to their A-talent.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2020, 01:47:16 PM »
Women leads are already on the rise. Atomic Blonde, Captain Marvel, upcoming Black Widow, Wonder Woman plus netflix has movies like Anna, Red Sparrow etc. MiB also had a female lead in last movie.

For me, it's not due to lack of quantity...but one of quality, that is the problem.  None of the above list can exactly be called a stellar movie. Some of good, others meh. They really should make things better.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2020, 02:06:51 PM »
Women leads are already on the rise. Atomic Blonde, Captain Marvel, upcoming Black Widow, Wonder Woman plus netflix has movies like Anna, Red Sparrow etc. MiB also had a female lead in last movie.

For me, it's not due to lack of quantity...but one of quality, that is the problem.  None of the above list can exactly be called a stellar movie. Some of good, others meh. They really should make things better.

I felt Wonder Woman was good, Atomic Blonde was excellent and Captain Marvel was at least a decent popcorn flick. Haven't seen the rest. Anna and Red Sparrow flew under my radar.
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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2020, 06:58:31 PM »
I think Atomic Blonde was really good, particularly the grittiness of it. That no-cut fight scene in the stairs was an amazing physical and cinematic feat. Worth watching just for that if you ask me. But I imagine a lot of people will never watch it because it's not a big franchise, and sadly, probably many won't because the lead is a woman (even though Charlize Theron would wipe the floor with any given Bond).

As for the Bond 'canon': meh. It's a franchise they've milked for several decades and they've never given the impression of caring even the slightest about believability or continuity. These films are throwaway entertainment; they have no deeper message and don't aspire to be big art -- which is fine by me. But that also means changing things up doesn't bother me; you can't mess with the artistic vision when there wasn't one to begin with. Hell, if they make the next bond a woman I'll gladly make some popcorn and watch the fragile fanboys explode as they reach fatal levels of butthurt.

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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2020, 09:43:15 PM »
Randomly popping in to note that I loved Atomic Blonde. So much fun, so very pretty. The extra twist from the graphic novel was a bit silly, but Americans gonna American. ;D

A bit older, but I also enjoyed Salt, a movie that basically didn't change a thing when they switched it from Tom Cruise to Angelina Jolie in the main role. It's less a female Bond, more a female Bourne.

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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2020, 10:00:41 PM »
Surprised on Atomic Blonde. Watched it twice and still don't remember anything. Totally forgettable movie for me.

Theron is an excellent actress and she carried Old Guard. Now that was a cracking movie.

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Re: Tom Hardy to be next 007 after Daniel Craig [not confirmed]
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2020, 11:11:13 PM »
I think Atomic Blonde was really good, particularly the grittiness of it. That no-cut fight scene in the stairs was an amazing physical and cinematic feat. Worth watching just for that if you ask me.

My only real complaint about the movie is that that wasn't the climax. Everything that came after paled in comparison and was just a completely unnecessary series of twists.
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