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Rogue One -- It's here!
« on: December 15, 2016, 11:51:41 PM »
super excited to see this!  just booked our theater tickets for saturday afternoon.

it's crazy.  internal expectations for the movie are pretty tame.  i don't think anyone really knows what to expect since it's the first movie that's outside the main plotline and doesn't have a skywalker in it.

personally, i think it's going to kick ass.

so much excite!!

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 12:14:02 AM »
super excited to see this!  just booked our theater tickets for saturday afternoon.

it's crazy.  internal expectations for the movie are pretty tame.  i don't think anyone really knows what to expect since it's the first movie that's outside the main plotline and doesn't have a skywalker in it.

personally, i think it's going to kick ass.

so much excite!!

Seeing it first thing tomorrow morning. My company rented out a theater for everyone. Should be a good time.

Then I'll probably see it two more times just to flip the bird to the white nationalist idiots calling for people to boycott it because the entire cast isn't white men, and that makes then cry. :)

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 12:41:03 AM »
I saw it this morning before going to work. Overall a great movie but with mixed feelings still floating around. I'll make a spoiler review when I get home.

But m3m, there are skywalkers in the movie. At the very least darth Vader makes a mean appearance and is The Skywalker
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 12:58:53 AM »
I saw it this morning before going to work. Overall a great movie but with mixed feelings still floating around. I'll make a spoiler review when I get home.

But m3m, there are skywalkers in the movie. At the very least darth Vader makes a mean appearance and is The Skywalker

dude!!  spoilers!!

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 01:13:05 AM »
Huh... Did you not watch the trailer? Which shows Vader in it?

edit : I'm in the middle of the worst weekend of the year at work and my mom arrives saturday morning besides, so I'm gonna forgo writing anything for a while. Give y'all time to catch up.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 04:46:29 AM »
We have tickets (and babysitters) for Saturday night. I am so excited.

Part of what I'm most excited about with this movie is that, for the first time since 1999, it doesn't feel stupid to feel excited about a Star Wars movie. (Going into Force Awakens, I was quietly hopeful, but being excited seemed like asking to be kicked. And I actually enjoy many things about the prequel trilogy. I've written fanfic about the prequel trilogy. But overall, they're just not good.)

The other part, obvs, is that Jyn Erso looks kickass. \m/

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 06:09:23 AM »
Australia likes Rogue One and it's not even school holidays everywhere yet  ;D

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 07:27:25 AM »
I saw it yesterday. And, like Nora, I enjoyed it but I've got a lot of mixed feelings about it.

See, the thing is, the movie has a genuinely really good third act/climactic battle, filled with tense, exhilarating action and a few heart-wrenching moments to go along with it... The only problem is that the first two acts are a muddled, over-plotted mess, where characterisation is more or less shoved out of the way to make room for more meandering plot threads. Seriously, the characterisation for most of the cast is a mess, filled with questionable character arcs and backstory/exposition in the place of actual development (Jyn in particular gets hit by this one). Which is a shame because there are a lot of moments in the (again still fantastic) third act which would've hit all the more harder had the film done a better job of making us care about the characters.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of stuff to like (like the exploration of the greyer side of the Rebellion and Vader who owns every second he's on screen) and the third act is worth the price of admission by itself. But it's definitely a flawed movie and certainly no Force Awakens (although it did have the grand space battle that movie was missing). I'd probably give it a B-.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 11:02:29 AM »
Yes, and weirdly enough, it's not the side characters who have it the roughest, but Jyn herself. Her backstory is pretty much everything you see in the trailer, which was very surprising.
It means we follow around someone whose ideas and feelings about the rebellion/empire around her are mostly unpredictable and unknown. We can't really appreciate her changes because we don't know where she starts from.
They kind of tell us, but it's not what you expect out of a goof movie. You're here to see stuff, not have side dialogue fill you in on what you need to know.

Now the two things that still bum me out :

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The first was the pace and how it often ruined the third act.
The first act was good, but choppy. We discover a greyer rebellion, storm troopers in dirty armor, impatiently waiting for their rotation out of whatever shithole they got assigned to. Much realism, wow!
But a lot of time was used there to weird ends, for weird plot lines, as Rukaio says, that could have been given to give room to the deaths in the third act.
I mean, I was afraid they wouldn't kill their darlings, somehow, but man, do they tear through them! Sometimes it's well done. The asian Jedi (one thing that pisses me off in this movie is that the cast's names is unintelligible without looking them up on the net) was totally badass and had a great death, along with his buddy.
Others were cut so short by the editing, that I had no time to feel anything before I was back to some space speed chase, cut, someone else dies, cut, back on the planet with a daddy memory, cut, someone dies, cut, space chase... etc.
It wasn't even like the music was doing an incredible build up,folding over each death like a leit motive. People just died like flies, more or less willingly, but with too little time, or actual backstory, for us to really feel their loss.

The second thing was more of an anecdote, something they did both really well, and really poorly in the same movie.
It's the matter of specialised technology. Throughout the film some people struggle to understand what this or that is, and how to use it. There is the "master switch" ("what does it look like!!") and there is the data retrieving bot with handles, where they portrayed the fumbling around really well.
And then, Jane, whose backstory we know virtually nothing about, has to "realign" a bit antenna, and as soon as she's told that by the machine, she turns around to a metal gangway leading away from the main platform and above nothingness, to go to the different machine that changes the parabola alignment.
PLEASE. How does she know it's to be done there, and which lever to push? Is she a communication experts?
Then, why is that simple lever not on the main body of the console? The design sucks.
But most importantly, the moment you see the metal gangway, you do a lot of internal groaning, which becomes entirely justified.. Seriously, it's got to be the biggest star wars trope by now.

Vader was amazing, the last person we see on screen as well, I don't know how they pulled that one out!
The acting was good, the main guy was pretty dislikeable right until the end, a very realistic character, besides his entire absence of backstory as well, you imagine him up just fine.
Mads Mikkelsen does amazingly well for the few minutes he has, though the dad/daughter relationship was a tiny bit pulled by the teeth.
I'd also give it a B-. B for entertainment, the minus for the problems that stay with you.

The visuals were mind boggling, and OMG the sheer size of the names for the visual department in the credits. Solid block of hundreds of names. They all did an amazing job. They make the STAR WARS universe look better and better each episode.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 05:56:13 PM »
Man, I dunno if you guys watched the same movie I did. :)

Without spoilers, I'll say I didn't have any problems with the plot, characters, or pacing. Honestly, I thought it was close to a series best. It blew Force Awakens out of the water (while I loved the new characters in Force Awakens, I hated the recycled plot), it went in a completely original direction from every other movie yet made (war movie, really?), and it had some of the best lines since Empire (I won't spoil anything, but one line from Donnie Yen won the movie for me). And K-2SO! So good.

So yeah, respectfully disagreeing with Rukaio and Nora on the flaws. The whole movie was cake for me. Loved it, put it only behind Empire in my personal ranking, and look forward to seeing it again.

Go see it.

The other part, obvs, is that Jyn Erso looks kickass. \m/

Yes, she is. \m/

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 07:49:46 PM »
All you list here is stuff I definitely enjoyed. K2 was great and sassy, Asian Jedi was both kickass and full of his own sass.
But I beg you to tell me what half droid clone war dude who raised Jane brought to the plot? What kind of adult life Jyn led? It's murky, and underdeveloped.
Doesn't mean it wasn't awesome in other parts. If you managed to feel what you ought to despite the pacing issues I complained about, good for you! You might just be more sensitive or a faster processor than me.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2016, 10:19:24 PM »
But I beg you to tell me what half droid clone war dude who raised Jane brought to the plot? What kind of adult life Jyn led? It's murky, and underdeveloped.
Doesn't mean it wasn't awesome in other parts. If you managed to feel what you ought to despite the pacing issues I complained about, good for you! You might just be more sensitive or a faster processor than me.

Heh, I don't think it's that! I think I just don't expect the characters to be as deep. For me, Jyn had an arc - I didn't mind so much that we didn't delve super deep into what led her to the point where the movie starts. I guess that feels like stuff we might get in an EU Jyn Erso book?

Honestly, most SW movies provide only surface character development, and that's generally fine with me. If you look at Han Solo, his big development in Ep IV was moving from "I'm in it for myself" to "I'll find my heroism and help these scrappy rebels" and even then, he was really helping Luke/Leia. I wouldn't call Han's journey (or the backstory represented in Ep IV alone) deep.

So I guess Jyn felt like Han to me? We did get that brief origin scene, but she kind of comes into the movie fully formed. She's become who she is because of stuff that went on before the movie and, honestly, doesn't matter to me in the context of it. What was important to me is you *did* see why her priorities changed over the course of the movie, and I did buy why her priorities changed. So that's all I needed.

So I think it's less me being more attuned to what was there and more me expecting less to be there in the first place :P

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2016, 11:00:43 PM »
In my honest opinion, any movie, really any, that relies on me reading a book to truly enjoy it, is a failure as a movie.

Jyn and Solo are different, because Solo is obviously a "cheeky, reckless smuggler with a price on his head". That alone tells us a lot about what he does with his days, the kind of space ruffles he might have had, etc.
Jyn is much trickier, her dad was hiding from the empire, then raised by who we learn is an extremist rebel, but sort of abandoned that since? No idea what she's doing in jail beyond what is read out. "forgery of imperial papers, resisting arrest..." we have no idea what line she stands on, what job or what qualifications she has!
She doesn't like the empire, neither does she like the rebellion. So what was she doing to win her daily bred for 15 years?
She's hired because of her dad and adoptive dad, but not for any quality of her own. That makes her, imo, a much weirder character to grasp. Her motivations, all along, are pretty murky.

Han Solo, even Cap Cassian Andor (I'm telling you, I have to google their names!), seemed much better defined as "shallow characters".
One is a smuggler and pilot, the other a spy and a pilot. What is Jyn Arso, that makes her so good at aligning parabolas for off planet transmissions? I wish I had even a cliched 'base' to graft skills on her, beyond 'badass'.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2016, 03:58:02 AM »
Really enjoyed it. The Imperial Robot dude stole the show for me. The bit about the odds cracked me up! "They're high. They're really high."
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2016, 10:21:35 PM »
Wheeeee, I enjoyed it so much. Was it perfect? No.* I felt the final reel got a bit bogged down in the aerial battle, the CGI paste-ins were mostly eerily good but just a touch surreal in movement (though maybe worked better in 3D?), I could have done without a Magical Blind Guy trope, and I would've really liked Jyn to have significant interaction with another woman (or at least to have explored her woman/mother issues a touch more, because I accept she has them, in addition to her abandonment issues). But I enjoyed it a lot.

* I was going to say "No movie is perfect" but then I remembered Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy which, for my money, is perfect.

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I love how brief, fiery, mysterious and truncated the character arcs are. I love that we're only just getting to know them when they are cut short. I found it really effective for the war-movie aspect of this one. People come burning into the Rebellion - we don't know from where, we don't know who they really are - but they write their deeds large, bold and tragically anonymous, then are lost to the cause. I loved the relationship between Jyn and Cassian, what they bring to each other, that they both grow, that they find meaning and peace. And that I mourn them fiercely because I want to spend so much more time with them.

Very fond of K-2SO's bleak, belligerent snark. I liked the world-building details - like the similarity between Jyn's childhood home and Luke's, right down to the blue milk. Liked the extended universe references (that I caught; I'm not familiar with the wider new canon, but I associate with people who talk about it a lot). Enjoyed playing Spot The Aussie. :D And I found it very satisfying that the reason that the Death Star is so easy to destroy is because it was designed to be so.