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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2016, 11:30:31 PM »
Saw Rogue One again today with the wife. Happy to say it holds up well! Also, I was watching closely this time to evaluate the the first two acts for problems - but honestly, I didn't see any. While it jumped around a bit to introduce the characters (since they started scattered around the galaxy) every scene had a purpose, whether to introduce a character, plot point, or move the story forward (or often all at once).

I won't completely discount the complaints about not enough characterization (they definitely went the route of giving you hints and letting you fill in the blanks, rather than blatantly putting everything in your face) but I still understood what each character wanted, what they were doing, and how it fit into the overall story.

So my opinion remains positive. And that third act - man. Just as great as the first time!

Oh, and to the CGI question!

Spoiler for Hiden:
My wife had NO IDEA Tarkin was CGI. I told her at the end, and she said she didn't notice anything unusual or off about him at all. Similarly, she thought Leia looked fine, though she *did* say she knew they had done something, as she knew the actress was much older.

But yeah. I'm starting to think the people who pick up on the CGI are those who know, going in, that he's CGI (and are looking for it) or people who work in entertainment industries (like game dev). My wife is not a gamer, and rarely watches anything CGI. So if the idea of a CGI character isn't something you encounter on a regular basis, and the fact that you COULD make an entire character in a live action movie CGI is not something you think about being an option, I'm betting the illusion works pretty well.

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2016, 12:37:10 AM »
I didn't know about Tarkin going in, but also guessed for the second one.

However Tarkin was a bit off, but at the back of my mind I thought maybe the man was over-maked-up!  ;D
Didn't guess about CGI at all, because I assumed he was a different actor looking very similar (I haven't seen the originals in over a year and a half, and Tarkin is hardly engraved in my memory)
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2016, 05:37:27 AM »
An interesting article here discussing the lack of any main romantic plot in Rogue One. Not entirely spoiler free, but it avoids spoiling anything major.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/rogue-one-jyn-erso-romantic-storyline

Definitely something to think about next time you write a book with a female lead.

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2016, 01:52:43 PM »
I had not planned to see it but the family is all together for christmas and want to watch it on monday. I really know absolutely nothing about the movie except the name, a vague recalling of stolen plans for a battle station, and a single picture of a woman in a hallway.
This might be the blindest I ever went to a movie.

And I just realized that a movie about stealing death star plans really should have Darth Vader in his prime in it!
Could be fun to see Classic Star Wars in a big movie again. That clone wars stuff and New Wars stuff didn't do anything for me.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2016, 03:41:21 PM »
Don't get yourself too pumped up for classic waterver @Yora, Darth Vader is in it, and is pure badass, but maybe 2min in total.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2016, 04:20:13 PM »
Saw it last night. While I'm not all way over to Tebakutis's rating, I did really enjoy it.

And yes, there are some true badass moments. Vader's brief appearance makes you remember he was so awesomely nasty in the first place, and the Death Star is shown to be freaking terrifying.

The movie breaks into prologue (origin), act 1 (temple city), act 2 (engineering station), act 3 (security planet). I had to get well into act 2 before the movie kept me entirely in the story. Part of this was that my son had seen it, and polluted my brain with his take on the movie. So I spent the first section of the movie comparing his ideas to what I was seeing. Yrg.

In some ways, I feel that this movie was closer in spirit to "Revenge of the Sith" than to "A New Hope". Or, maybe it was just out on its own in terms of approach. I sure can't see kid's dolls made from any of these characters.

And now, on to Episode 8! (Star Wars: Order of the Dark Side?)
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2016, 10:33:24 PM »
I just watched it tonight, and this New Star Wars really just isn't for me.

George Lucas might have written terrible scripts and can't direct actors to save his life, but he seems to have been the guy who nailed down the Star Wars feel of the first six movies. These two new ones just don't have it. It's all too hectic now and doesn't have the light footed swashbuckling. They look and feel like mid-2010s action movies and don't have the magic. (And again, 3D made the movie look worse, like it always does.)

I did like the last part which reminded me a lot of the old Rogue Squadron books, which I was already planning to read again. It just got too long and I wished they'd hurry up.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2016, 11:27:30 PM »
I'm watching it again tomorrow with my local group of nerds. I'll keep an eye out for details now, but I can already tell it's not on par with episode 7 for me, as I was way more excited to see that one twice. I went back asap. Here I'm only watching it because I'm going with friends.
It's not bad, I just feel like Rey-Kylo-Fynn is a trio of characters I care for in much deeper ways, and I'm curious about them and who they'll become.
Not only is the rogue one cast short lived, I really didn't connect with any of them, not even Jane.
The more time passes the more I feel that.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2016, 05:35:56 PM »
I give it 4/5. I am glad that I read Catalyst first, because it made the movie far richer IMO. Knowing how some of the characters had interacted and their own motivations was a big bonus.

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2016, 02:51:18 PM »
OMG I hate you guys. I was sitting here going, "Wow, they cast Tarkin really well." F OFF. I'm going to work.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2016, 05:31:14 PM »
And somehow CGI Tarkin is really tall, while Meat Tarkin was very short.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2016, 06:32:22 PM »
Late Meat Tarkin, please.

Upon re-watching the movie, I think the skin was fine, it's more the mouth that still has some stiffness.
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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2017, 03:03:49 AM »
Finally saw the movie today, I really liked but it fell a little short to get up to a love level. The main issue for me was the pacing in Acts 1 & 2. When stuffed happened in those sections I enjoyed it but it seemed to take awhile to get to the important parts.  Characterization didn't bother me, this was a heist movie so just give me their motivation and show me they gave skills (which the movie did)  and for me the backstory doesn't really matter.   

Other thoughts:

Spoiler for Hiden:

- I knew about CGI Tarkin going in and...it didn't bother me. I could tell it was CGI but it never took me out of the movie when he showed up.
- CGI Leia, on the other hand, hit me a little bit considering the news of this past week.
- Why the hell did Jyn's mom ditch her to go get herself killed?  I know the plot needed Jyn to be without both parents but that setup just seemed needless and a little stupid.
- So about the whole Alliance meeting when they decided not to do anything. I get not making a large scale attack but really a covert operation wasn't even considered? 
- Loved badass Vader. One of the problems with the prequel trilogy is that I associate Vader to the whiney Anakin and he lost some luster.  This movie & Rebels has helped to bring back the fear factor.


- it was weird not hearing the classic theme at the start of the movie.
- Supposedly the initial cut had too brutal of an ending.  I'm a little curious as to how they would have upped the antenna even more.

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2017, 06:52:16 PM »
Yahoo posted a really interesting article from the editors talking about how they cut the film together, including some illumination on what the reshoots actually added.

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-ones-editors-reveal-scenes-added-in-the-star-wars-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html

A lot of this article resonates with me, particularly how they talked about reorganizing action and dialogue, and how little changes affect other parts of the story. I also felt them when they said they were worried how people would receive the movie, since they didn't preview it. As someone who constantly revises, rejiggers, and rearranges scenes and other elements of my novels, I empathized with their process.

I found this a fascinating read, so for any writers (or anyone curious about how the movie changed) I thought I'd share.

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Re: Rogue One -- It's here!
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2017, 11:08:05 PM »
Jenny Nicholson does an interestingly effective job of popping my Rogue One balloon. And I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's still fun on the bubble-gum levels and my personal take on spy vs. spy stuff, but she makes a pretty good case.

Obvious insanely detailed deconstructing spoiler alert:

Spoiler for Hiden:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3gf6qyAHOw[/youtube]
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