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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2015, 11:44:14 AM »
Finished episode 7 last night, so damn good. Everyone is amazing in it, Jessica Jones is awesome, Luke is a boss, all the other great women (of which there are many), The Purple Man easily Marvel's best screen villain, a true terrifying psychopath.

It's also incredibly rare to see a show dealing with victims of abuse (in all its forms from Killgrave) as sympathetic, believable and most importantly from the woman's perspective and not the man's.

As was the same with Daredevil, I sort of wish we got more 'case-of-the-week' stuff from Jessica Jones, but there's potential with both to do that in series 2 (though I doubt this will be the case - no pun intended).



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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2015, 03:16:10 PM »
so, i've been avoiding this topic since it came up.  i wanted to have a fresh set of eyes to watch it.  for context, mrs. m3mnoch and i LOVED the daredevil series.

so, i'm going to write this before i go and actually look at what other people have said.
Spoiler for Hiden:

we've seen the first two episodes so far.  it was a struggle.  we wanted to turn it off after the first twenty minutes of the first episode.  we finished that episode and debated on bailing altogether.  the next night, we (for lack of any better options, really) decided to give the second episode a try -- again, we wanted to bail in the middle of it.

afterwards, we talked and i think we figured out our issue with it.  it's her.  krysten ritter annoys the hell out of us.  she's a pile of over-acted angst filled with why-would-you-do-that jelly.  when she takes on her various "i'm a private eye pretending to be someone else to get information" roles, she's great.  it's just when she's normal -- stalking around like a 12 year-old pouty girl that she's obnoxious.  yeah.  we get it.  you're hard-boiled.

everyone else tho, they're great.  we LOVE carrie-anne moss's character.  love luke cage's character.  love trish.  they all feel interesting and real.

the plot is great.  the feel is great.  it's like action-horror, which is fun.  the cinematography, the little moments of awesome are sufficiently awesome, the 'look at this amazing setup for the next episode' is engaging.

if jessica had been played by kate beckinsale, we wouldn't be having this conversation -- i'd be busy re-watching the series.


there.  *phew*

now, i'm going to go back and read what everyone else thought.

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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2015, 04:37:21 PM »
Finished it last night and loved it. Not like me to binge through series anymore (took me months to finish Daredevil) but this was top-notch stuff. I think any complaints about it will have to be taken with a pinch of salt as this really was doing some things that other shows (and films!) aren’t doing. Not just a strong, female-led superhero show, but easily 75% of the cast were women. There was a gay relationship at the centre of one of the sub-plots and it was realistic and harrowing. The villain (a superb David Tennant, most definitely channelling his Doctor) was realised in a way that the movies would never touch. What happens when a narcissistic, psychotic maniac has mind control? Of course he becomes a violent mental and physical rapist. I doubt you’d ever hear that word uttered near Loki, despite many similarities. I thought Luke Cage was brilliant and I’m definitely very excited to see his series now.

Maybe a little spoilery in this next bit...
Spoiler for Hiden:
Not too much links to the outside Marvel universe here yet, but lots of loose ends left to pick up in a second series. To me the ending sets up a Season 2, and I suspect this will be by far popular enough to warrant it. I was trying to figure out what the villainous super-soldiers might be (IGH was it?) – my brother says possibly A.I.M.

I think the plan for next year is meant to be Daredevil Season 2 around April, Luke Cage late Spring/Summer, Iron Fist this time next year. But where does Jessica Jones Season 2 fit into that? And I wouldn’t be too surprised to see The Punisher get a series of his own. It could get messy quite quickly! I was thinking that with Netflix moving into doing movies they could quite easily do The Defenders as an Avengers-esque movie when it comes time.
It's really early to start guessing, but I'll take my shot at it. I don't think there will be a Jesica Jones Season 2.
Why? Because right now, she's perfectly set up to head straight into The Defenders. With everything resolved from Season 1, there's not really a point. IGH is most likely the agency the defenders will be fighting as apart of Stick's war. With Daredevil, it's different. There's no room for Foggy and Karen in the defenders, and there's things that still need to be resolved with them. Especially Karen's past. Also, they showed us the villain for season 2 in episode 6, setting up another season. They already knew how successful this would be, and went ahead and planned on another series despite the difficulties they knew they would face with working it into the timeline. Also, putting aside the violence, Daredevil is a bit more marketable to the family, no matter what you believe as apart of your religion or politics. Jesica Jones makes an effort to delve into the touchier side of life, and it does wonderfully. But that won't, and most likely hasn't, been welcomed by everyone with open arms. Lots of families won't watch JJ. Mine, for example. They can't handle this sort of thing.
Do I think another season would be great? Definitely. But if they start doing a second season of every show before the Defenders, things will get really complicated. In the end, they have to prioritize. And as always, I think it comes down to money.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2015, 09:04:55 PM »
I agree that we won't see a Jessica Jones Season 2 (at least not before the Defenders).

But I expect Jessica Jones will feature even more prominently in Luke Cage than Luke Cage did in Jessica Jones.  And I'd bet they'll both get cameos (or more) in Daredevil Season 2.

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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2015, 09:09:46 PM »
Three episodes in so far and it's goddamned amazing, just like I hoped. Watching one episode or so with the wife a night so we don't end up consuming it all at once (also, that's about all we can squeeze in with other stuff).

My quest to avoid spoilers continues. I continue to allow my eyes to glaze over when I'm browsing most recently updated posts and anyone mentions ANYTHING about the show. I'm sure I'll be back on this thread in two weeks or so to gush more.

Favorite chiller moment/twist so far:
Spoiler for Hiden:
When Hope shoots her parents in the elevator. The way she keeps clicking the gun after it's empty, the way she says "Smile!" at Jessica with that creepy blanked out stare, and then her absolutely horrified scream once Kilgrave's compulsion leaves her and she sees what he made her do. Brutal (but awesome) stuff.
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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2015, 01:51:34 PM »
It's really early to start guessing, but I'll take my shot at it. I don't think there will be a Jesica Jones Season 2.
Why? Because right now, she's perfectly set up to head straight into The Defenders. With everything resolved from Season 1, there's not really a point. IGH is most likely the agency the defenders will be fighting as apart of Stick's war. With Daredevil, it's different. There's no room for Foggy and Karen in the defenders, and there's things that still need to be resolved with them. Especially Karen's past. Also, they showed us the villain for season 2 in episode 6, setting up another season. They already knew how successful this would be, and went ahead and planned on another series despite the difficulties they knew they would face with working it into the timeline. Also, putting aside the violence, Daredevil is a bit more marketable to the family, no matter what you believe as apart of your religion or politics. Jesica Jones makes an effort to delve into the touchier side of life, and it does wonderfully. But that won't, and most likely hasn't, been welcomed by everyone with open arms. Lots of families won't watch JJ. Mine, for example. They can't handle this sort of thing.
Do I think another season would be great? Definitely. But if they start doing a second season of every show before the Defenders, things will get really complicated. In the end, they have to prioritize. And as always, I think it comes down to money.
Finished season 1 last night, and they did a wonderful job. Seeing Claire again made the finale for me.

I have no idea what the order of things going ahead will be, and I agree that they need to concentrate on getting to The Defenders Season One (or movie or whatever) first, but Melissa Rosenberg has already all but confirmed another season of Jessica Jones. It's getting huge critical support, no doubt bringing in lots of subscribers to Netflix just to see it - I just can't see them not making another season. And I really wouldn't worry about marketing to the family - the whole point of the Netflix shows is to do something networks won't do and to compete with the likes of HBO. It's not about viewers on Netflix, it's subscribers.

But I expect Jessica Jones will feature even more prominently in Luke Cage than Luke Cage did in Jessica Jones.  And I'd bet they'll both get cameos (or more) in Daredevil Season 2.

Pretty sure she's not even in the cast for Luke Cage, though I'm sure she will get a cameo. It's Rosario Dawson's Clare Temple that features as a main cast member in Luke Cage...

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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 05:36:38 PM »
But I expect Jessica Jones will feature even more prominently in Luke Cage than Luke Cage did in Jessica Jones.  And I'd bet they'll both get cameos (or more) in Daredevil Season 2.

Pretty sure she's not even in the cast for Luke Cage, though I'm sure she will get a cameo. It's Rosario Dawson's Clare Temple that features as a main cast member in Luke Cage...

That's interesting.  I wonder if that will change now that Jessica Jones is getting such a good reception.  What's the time scale on projects like these?  I assume they haven't started filming Luke Cage yet...

Hmm.  IMDB has Claire Temple in only one episode of Luke Cage.  Ooh.  Alfre Woodard is in the main cast.

And... the internet tells me they started filming two months ago.

Ah, well.  The way they left Trish with the IGH files... that's either a hook for Season 2, or it's the seed of the Defenders plot.

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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 08:27:54 PM »
Or it's something larger than that. I read somewhere that since Marvel doesn't own the rights to the Weapon+ program, the program that made Wolverine if I'm not mistaken, is making IGH it's replacement. This could either turn out to be the storyline for the Defenders, or the Avengers could end up taking this on. Or even Agents of Shield. Someone will get it for sure.
I have my money on the Defenders though.

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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 09:56:54 PM »
I did think at about spoiler tagging the following but none of it I think could be considered a spoiler as its just my opinion on how I see the show(s) leading to the Defenders going.

IGH I think will be to The Defenders what HYDRA is tt AoS and the Avengers/main MCU, either the organisation will be an offshoot or something new all together?? I hope they are not HYDRA because I worry they could overuse them as bad guys and they become like the Borg or Daleks, no real interesting threat. I think IGH will be the thing that links all the shows together, already we know they had some involvement in "creating" Kilgrave, I'll put money on they had something to do with the experiments carried out on Luke Cage. Extra bets are possible on the chemicals being carried by the trucks that altered Jessica Jones and blinded Matt Murdock belonged to them as well (thats guess work).

I'm not sure if IGH is anything related/replacing the Weapon X program. Sergeant Simpson in the comics is known as Frank Simpson and is a supervillain known as Nuke. He is the result of an offshoot of the Super Soldier program that created Captain America and I'm wondering if they are carrying on the storyline that featured in The Incredible Hulk film where the Super Soldier serum is used on Blonski and turns him into the Abomination?

I think there will be a Jessica Jones S2, but agree it probably wont be until after The Defenders airs in whatever format that will be. I know we have Daredevil S2 next year and Luke Cage but I read somewhere that the Iron Fist series may not happen due to some rights thing or if it does it will be a film and possibly not linked into the Netflix shows. So not sure if they will find another member or just leave it at the three??

 
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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 10:30:40 PM »
I think there will be a Jessica Jones S2, but agree it probably wont be until after The Defenders airs in whatever format that will be. I know we have Daredevil S2 next year and Luke Cage but I read somewhere that the Iron Fist series may not happen due to some rights thing or if it does it will be a film and possibly not linked into the Netflix shows. So not sure if they will find another member or just leave it at the three??

According to IMDB, there's a "Misty Knight" appearing in all thirteen episodes -- perhaps she's the fourth super for the Defenders?

I wonder if we'll get cameos from any of these Netflix characters in Civil War (the next Captain America movie).

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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2015, 11:43:07 PM »
I think there will be a Jessica Jones S2, but agree it probably wont be until after The Defenders airs in whatever format that will be. I know we have Daredevil S2 next year and Luke Cage but I read somewhere that the Iron Fist series may not happen due to some rights thing or if it does it will be a film and possibly not linked into the Netflix shows. So not sure if they will find another member or just leave it at the three??

According to IMDB, there's a "Misty Knight" appearing in all thirteen episodes -- perhaps she's the fourth super for the Defenders?

I wonder if we'll get cameos from any of these Netflix characters in Civil War (the next Captain America movie).

There was talk of possibly Daredevil appearing but thats just a fanwank rumour I think. Personally I feel Civil War is crowded enough already and doesnt need anymore, I do feel this should have been more than one film as (possibly) a 2hr film wont be able to do it justice. For a start they need to building up the the event have the event and then the aftermath. Thats a lot to cram in considering the cast of characters already in it. So I've seen online Jimmy Kimmel is showing the first trailer for this tonight, this was via a site called Movieweb which is predominently clickbait but Kimmel did say on his show last night that RDJ and Chris Evans are on tonights show so there might be something in it.
 
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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2015, 04:10:12 PM »
Without spoilers, I'll say I really enjoyed it. I can't say I liked it *more* than Daredevil, but it was definitely on par, and it succeeded in different ways.

Daredevil did a better job of holding my interest with the back and forth between DD and Kingpin, and though many people will argue Kilgrave is one of Marvel's best villains, I disagree despite Tennant's performance and the great writing. Kilgrave was definitely one of Marvel's most terrifying and twisted villains (if you want to make a show about how absolutely bonkers scary mind control would be, he exemplifies it) but the very nature of the character meant Kilgrave pretty much had to be straight up evil/demented, with no real friends or allies. It limited how interesting Kilgrave could be.

The thing that made Kingpin for me (in addition to Vincent D'onofrio's amazing performance) was that we got to see him in his normal life, with friends and a support network. He was genuinely loyal to Wesley (his loyal manservant/bodyguard) who was genuinely loyal right back, and you could tell these two men had been through some really traumatic experiences that cemented their bond. And of course there was the very real relationship with Vanessa, which humanized Kingpin's character much better than the disturbing (but ultimately inconsequential) things we learn about Kilgrave's past.

(Spoilers for Daredevil S1)
Spoiler for Hiden:
Kingpin really, truly loved Vanessa, and you could see his very real pain when there was a chance she might die, as well as his fear and worry when Wesley disappears after Karen shoots him. He's freaking out because he might have lost a dear friend. To see a villain that vulnerable and upset about people he cared is what elevated him above Kilgrave, for me.

That, plus the fact that Kingpin did see himself as a hero (he wanted to save Hell's Kitchen, just in a very ruthless way) means he edges out Kilgrave, just because I'm partial to a complicated villain. Kingpin had complication and Kilgrave does not.

That aside, Jessica Jones did win when it came to making me truly fear for and empathize with the people who got caught in the crossfire between Jessica and Kilgrave. In DD, we see Matt save folks and see folks experience trauma, but then those folks are pretty much swept off screen afterward. JJ does a great job with continuing to show us the aftermath of the vast majority of Kilgrave's survivors, especially folks you'd expect to drop off the radar on other shows. You see them trying to recover. Plus, the very fact that Kilgrave is constantly forcing Jessica to fight innocent people (including her own best friends) means she's constantly wracked with guilt by the things she has to do, and it's her compassion that allows him to keep besting her.

The other thing that JJ wasn't afraid to do was not pull back from showing the truly sad and tragic consequences of Kilgrave's actions. In particular (big spoilers below):

Spoiler for Hiden:
- Hope eventually realizing that she will *not* be redeemed, and committing suicide to free Jessica to take out Kilgrave
- The gay couple in Kilgrave's last stolen apartment, who Kilgrave commands to "erase his father from the face of the Earth". We know the surviving spouse will be charged with murder, so in addition to having this horrific murder of watching his spouse kill themselves by drinking drainkiller and dismembering a body in his garbage disposal, he'll also be tried for murder and (assuming Hogarth doesn't argue he was mind-controlled) end up just like Hope.
- The (incredibly annoying) sister who, despite being a character I loathed, still lost her brother and doesn't know how to deal with it.
- Hogarth's spouse (who gets killed by her secretary) and the secretary herself, who may go down for murder... not to mention Kilgrave's command of "make her die by a thousand cuts". Brr.

Basically, when somebody gets Kilgrave'd, it's often worse than getting killed, because they're left with the horrific memories of what they did to themselves or their loved ones, and may be thrown in jail on top of that.

So, JJ gets points for not trying to sugarcoat any of the bad things that Kilgrave did to random innocent folks. Some things I wasn't too crazy about (more big spoilers, echoing others)

Spoiler for Hiden:
- Simpson's turn from control freak but reasonable guy to straight up murder machine could have been handled better. I know what they were trying to do (guy can't handle losing control, drugs make you freak) but it was a bit too sudden for him to just up and murder Clemmons (at the CDC) and burn the place down. I would have liked to see some gradual degredation leading up to fratricide.
- The cliche "the black guy never makes it to the end of the movie" with Detective Clemmons (plus, they wasted a great actor from The Wire!) An older black guy gets killed in both DD and JJ, and Clemmons death felt gratuitous to me. They could have done "Simpson is unredeemable" in a better way, I think.
- Kilgrave escaped just a few too many times. About midway through, I wondered why they hadn't thought of using headphones or earplugs (seriously, not until the final episode?) or why JJ didn't just buy a gun (she could have shot Kilgrave in the club and avoided the fight with Luke) or better yet, taken him out with a rifle from long range (plenty of opportunities to do that). But, less drama that way, so...

But, ultimately, I'd highly recommend this show, as the writing is (overall) great, and as others have stated, it does a really good job of dealing with some really heavy issues (rape and PTSD) in a way that is not remotely exploitative and makes you genuinely feel for the characters.

So both Daredevil and Jessica Jones are absolutely worth subbing to Netflix, even if you just want to pay for one month (cheap!) and binge both.
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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2015, 08:54:29 PM »
I know, that made me so happy!
Spoiler for Hiden:
I'm wondering how this will effect his TV series? How much will we here about the events that take place between him and Jesica? I'm about halfway through season 1, and I don't have the answers yet.
I would really like to know where in Hell's Kitchen's timeline this movie takes place, or where in the MCU timeline. I've seen no Avengers 2 references, no Daredevil references, nothing. I have found a Civil War Easter egg, but that's it.
If anyone has the answer, please link it. Or, if you found something from a particular episode that gives an idea, just say the episode number. That would be awesome!

Finished it last week! There are more clues and references as the series progresses. It's definitely set during/after Daredevil.
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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2015, 09:18:17 PM »
That building Jessica and Luke raid with all the weed growing in it? That's the same building that blew up/caught fire when Daredevil went there with all the workers making stuff (can't remember exactly what now) but you can see the burn damage in a few shots. So JJ is set after.

Not a spoiler at all but I've put it in one just in case.
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Re: Netflix "Jessica Jones" series
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2015, 09:34:51 PM »
Aah. I missed that.
I was thinking it took place before Episode 5 of Daredevil because of some things that were said by Claire in the final episode of JJ, but it seems most people agree it's after, which makes more sense.

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