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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2016, 07:50:15 AM »
Pretty sure it was the Manderlays who did all of that.
In the books it was was the Manderleys who served the Frey pie. The Umbers are still loyal to the Starks, but have been fairly quiet since the Greatjon was killed at the Red Wedding.

Could they have done that classic tv thing of combining two families as the tv viewers might not be familiar with the Manderlays? Also was interesting that he wouldn't swear fealty.
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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2016, 08:02:34 PM »
Was the Greatjon killed? I thought he was in a cell along with Edmure Tully?

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2016, 10:31:40 PM »
Was the Greatjon killed? I thought he was in a cell along with Edmure Tully?

Another solid episode this week. Bran's powers interest me, young Ned heard/felt something so does that mean Bran could possibly influence the past? The look on the three eyed ravens face seemed to say he was concerned with the development. If Bran can that opens up a who wealth of possibilities.
You could be right about the Greatjon, and I may be getting the books and the show confused. Was the Umber that delivered Rickon and Osha to Ramsay the Greatjon?
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« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2016, 01:36:38 PM »
Was the Greatjon killed? I thought he was in a cell along with Edmure Tully?

Another solid episode this week. Bran's powers interest me, young Ned heard/felt something so does that mean Bran could possibly influence the past? The look on the three eyed ravens face seemed to say he was concerned with the development. If Bran can that opens up a who wealth of possibilities.
You could be right about the Greatjon, and I may be getting the books and the show confused. Was the Umber that delivered Rickon and Osha to Ramsay the Greatjon?

It was Smalljon, SJ even mentions in the meeting that Greatjon had died.  My guess is that GJ was fine with protecting Rickon but SJ wasn't. 

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2016, 10:35:59 PM »
Was the Greatjon killed? I thought he was in a cell along with Edmure Tully?

Another solid episode this week. Bran's powers interest me, young Ned heard/felt something so does that mean Bran could possibly influence the past? The look on the three eyed ravens face seemed to say he was concerned with the development. If Bran can that opens up a who wealth of possibilities.
You could be right about the Greatjon, and I may be getting the books and the show confused. Was the Umber that delivered Rickon and Osha to Ramsay the Greatjon?

It was Smalljon, SJ even mentions in the meeting that Greatjon had died.  My guess is that GJ was fine with protecting Rickon but SJ wasn't.
There was also the way SJ felt about GJ and I never got that from the books.
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2016, 11:22:34 PM »
I'm pretty sure the Umbers are plotting something (like the Manderlys). Having Rickon in plain sight within Winterfell might serve their cause to rally sympathizers against the Boltons. Shaggydog being dead is pretty anticlimactic and might be a ploy, but even if that is his head, he might not have been killed in malice (he was pretty violent and unruly). I'm guessing that the GJ might still be alive, maybe prepping for a siege. Ramsay's overdue for a proper GoT wedding present.

I just hope that Howland Reed will show up soon (in the present, that is).
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2016, 02:04:48 AM »
I'm pretty sure the Umbers are plotting something (like the Manderlys). Having Rickon in plain sight within Winterfell might serve their cause to rally sympathizers against the Boltons. Shaggydog being dead is pretty anticlimactic and might be a ploy, but even if that is his head, he might not have been killed in malice (he was pretty violent and unruly). I'm guessing that the GJ might still be alive, maybe prepping for a siege. Ramsay's overdue for a proper GoT wedding present.

I just hope that Howland Reed will show up soon (in the present, that is).
I kind of hope that the Umbers are planning on doing something to overthrow Ramsay, but I really want to see Jon unload on him, the new and improved Jon won't let honour stand in his way of killing Ramsay good and proper.
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« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2016, 03:49:40 AM »
I kind of wonder whether he's actually looking to drop out (he might be feeling a bit hollowed out, as those returned from the dead by Rhollor tend to) or whether he'll fall in with one of the many people who want Ramsay dead. I imagine Davos at least might tag along wherever he's going. I also don't know whether the wildlings will stay to help man the wall or follow Jon. They've lately had a tendency to just let things dangle in the show and then immediately tie them up unspectacularly.

Meh, I'm mostly just itching for "Winds of Winter," at the moment.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2016, 03:55:33 AM »
I'm having the opposite problem. I'm probably not reading the book at this point. I'm too engrossed in the show to care what Martin has to say anymore. Granted, the second half of Storm of Swords was far better than it's plotline in Season 4, but still. The books will always have a special place in my heart, but the show hasn't bored me yet.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2016, 05:34:59 AM »
I'm having the opposite problem. I'm probably not reading the book at this point. I'm too engrossed in the show to care what Martin has to say anymore. Granted, the second half of Storm of Swords was far better than it's plotline in Season 4, but still. The books will always have a special place in my heart, but the show hasn't bored me yet.

Yup, this. The show has outpaced the books, and I continue to enjoy it, despite some weak/annoying elements. While I *may* eventually read the new books, whenever they *eventually* get published, I honestly might not. I finished A Dance With Dragons four years ago now, and I've already forgotten a good bit of it. I don't think I can wait 10 years (or more!) to finish the series.

I never expected to say this, but HBO's Game of Thrones will likely end up being the definitive Song of Ice and Fire for me. At most, I might check Wikipedia a few months after each book comes out (probably long after the show has concluded its run) to see how things differ, and how Martin ended the plots of some of the characters who aren't in the books. But then again, I might not even go that far.

If we're looking at one book every 4-5 years, and there are 2-3 books left, I simply don't have the patience for that.

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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2016, 02:30:29 PM »
Martin's definitely trying his reader's patience. I really couldn't imagine having had begun reading the series twenty years ago with how slow it's progressing. Unfortunately that doesn't excuse or alleviate what I perceive as lazy writing in the last two seasons of GoT. I still enjoy the show, but mostly it just tides me over while I await the real story.

In both cases, though, I feel like the whole thing is rather poorly planned out. In book's case, how does Martin wield so much damn patience? You'd think he'd be more eager to see how it all turns out.
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« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2016, 02:32:22 PM »
One question to everyone complaining about the wait for TWoW now the show has overtook the books. If there was no TV show would you feel the same? Its pretty standard for writers of epic fantasy to have large gaps between books, but then none of them have a companion TV show.

Also did anyone else have a little smile when Melesandre asked Jon what he saw after he died and he said "Nothing".

So even in death Jon Snow knows nothing.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2016, 02:42:06 PM »
The exact same? No.

But deeply irritated? Yes. I don't watch the TV show and I've still given up on the books. Being able to get spoilers from the books makes the decision that little bit easier, but it's not like I've substituted one for the other; without the TV show, I'd have just read a synopsis on wiki when they came out instead.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 6 with spoilers for books and TV Show
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2016, 03:13:52 PM »
One question to everyone complaining about the wait for TWoW now the show has overtook the books. If there was no TV show would you feel the same? Its pretty standard for writers of epic fantasy to have large gaps between books, but then none of them have a companion TV show.

I'd disagree that the standard wait between books is 4-5 years. 1-2 would be more accurate. So for me, losing interest is a combination of the pace at which Martin writes, and the number of books remaining in the series.

I'd happily read an author who stated his entire series would be three books (period), and that each of those books would come out 2-3 years apart. I'd also happily read an author who stated his series would be seven books, but there will be one book every year or so. Martin is currently outside both of those by a good margin (a likely seven book series, with each book 4-5 years apart) which is why I've lost interest.

My impression (and Martin may even have said this) is that it will take two to three more books to wrap up his story. I don't think his writing pace is going to increase (if he could write faster, why hasn't he?) so that means, assuming there are two more books remaining, the series won't conclude until a decade from now (2016?). No offense to Martin, but I'm not willing to wait that long.

As to the impact of the TV series on my loss of interest in the books, it's not really a factor. If the TV show didn't exist, I'd still have given up on the books, but I'd be resigned to never knowing how the story turned out, or not knowing for many years. I'd probably just forget about it. So in that regard, the show is great because it gives me closure for a story I am invested in, and it does it in a reasonable time period - but that's it, really.

Also, just to make sure there's no misunderstanding about me giving up on the books, I don't think Martin owes anyone anything. He's hit it big. He should write at the pace he's comfortable writing, have fun interacting with his fans (which he is doing ... he's been the guest at honor at what, 20 cons in the past few years?) and enjoy his success.

We can't know why it's taking him so long. Maybe he's burned out on the series. Maybe he's burned out on writing in general. Maybe he's excited about writing, but just not writing GoT. Regardless, it's his business, and I hope that his legions of fans are willing to wait however long it takes. I'm just not among those any longer.

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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2016, 05:02:54 PM »
Yeah, I disagree with the standard wait as well. Michael J. Sullivan had a book coming out every year. Brent Weeks has one coming out every two years. A new Stormlight Book has about a 3 year wait so far. Stormlight might not be a fair example since we're only on Book three, but still.

The only reason it's viewed as fantasy is because of Martin, Lynch, and Rothfus. Martin has no excuse, because he's been buying bowling alleys and focusing on everything but his writing. Lynch had a really good excuse between books two and three, and probably still does. I'm growing a little shaky with him because unlike most authors, I never see him post anything about the book he's working on. It's always some random thing. Rothfus... Lord knows, and I don't care.

So to answer the question now. If I had to wait 5 years on Stormlight, I would still read the next book no matter how mad I became at the author. The story sucks me in. Same goes with any of the other authors I mentioned at the top of the post, as well as others. Martin's mistake was signing on the TV show when he still had two or three books to go. Or was it a mistake? Did he begin the show so he wouldn't have to focus on the books anymore? Maybe.