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Title: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on July 27, 2014, 07:31:34 PM
Seeing S5 has started filming and there have been major cast announcements at ComicCon I think its safe to start a Season 5 thread.

Casting News (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/25/new-cast-members-game-thrones-season-5-announced/) revealed over on WinterIsComing.net tells us we have a Prince Doran, a recast Princess Myrcella,
some Sand Snakes, a High Sparrow and an Aero Hotah.

Two big names added to the cast, Alexander Sidigg as Prince Doran, a brilliant choice - and 10 years ago he'd have been a top choice for Oberyn I feel. And Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow.

And the countdown to March begins.



 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ScarletBea on July 27, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Alexander Sidigg as Prince Doran, a brilliant choice - and 10 years ago he'd have been a top choice for Oberyn I feel.

I agree 100%, on both counts :D
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: CheshireGrin on August 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
Agreed! Can't wait for the new season/characters. :)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on August 05, 2014, 08:44:09 PM
Where is Arianne Martell?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on August 11, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
One segment of filming for S5 has already wrapped and WinterIsComing has some interesting pictures (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/08/10/game-thrones-season-5-wraps-filming-portstewart-strand/).

I'm also intrigued by the comment about Bronn & Jamie being in Dorne??

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: CheshireGrin on August 14, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
One segment of filming for S5 has already wrapped and WinterIsComing has some interesting pictures (http://winteriscoming.net/2014/08/10/game-thrones-season-5-wraps-filming-portstewart-strand/).

I'm also intrigued by the comment about Bronn & Jamie being in Dorne??
Jaime and Bronn in Dorne? Well, that's interesting news. Thanks for sharing! :)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Idlewilder on August 14, 2014, 01:16:37 PM
Where is Arianne Martell?

Looks like they've changed things in Dorne big time. Presumably Trystane Martell has become an amalgamated version of Arianne + Quentyn. First time a decision has annoyed me in this series really. Hopefully I'm wrong and Arianne at the very least still exists.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Arry on August 14, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
Seeing S5 has started filming and there have been major cast announcements at ComicCon I think its safe to start a Season 5 thread.
Absolutely!

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And the countdown to March begins.
Tick ........ Tock .....

it's a long wait, but as usual, really looking forward to it!!
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: DireWolfSnow on August 18, 2014, 08:08:18 AM
It seems like they are changing things rather drastically from the books in this season. I guess this is to move forward with a different plot so the show can wrap up in the 7-8 seasons that most people seem to be predicting. Not sure about the plot changes but we will see.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on August 19, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
It seems like they are changing things rather drastically from the books in this season. I guess this is to move forward with a different plot so the show can wrap up in the 7-8 seasons that most people seem to be predicting. Not sure about the plot changes but we will see.

I think you might be right, having Jamie & Bronn in Dorne maybe the start of the scaling back of the whole Essos/Big Griff/Little Griff storyline and maybe have Jamie uncover the Martell plot whilst he's in Dorne. From here on out the storylines get pretty spread out what with events in Westeros, Arya in Braavos, Dany in Slavers Bay, Tyrion travelling throug Essos and the coup attempt in Dorne. Perhaps the producers are concerned it might become too clogged and result in very little screen time to put the story across (its a pretty firm bet the Kings Moot & extended Greyjoy family have been culled already).

Its easier to paint a massive epic picture in a book, very difficult in a movie, but nigh on impossible in 10 x 50 min episodes.

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: tylerkendo on August 20, 2014, 01:05:11 PM
 As far as the books go, Lady Stoneheart character has a huge and important role in the story lines of a few of the series' biggest characters. Omitting her would provide a huge shift in the story, while discounting what is one of the biggest twists of the books.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on February 28, 2015, 10:42:32 AM
So, this was revealed yesterday. It hints at the show's direction, and at its pace, when compared to the books.

Anyway, I like it.

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/02/27/27-got-poster.nocrop.w529.h835.2x.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on February 28, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on March 10, 2015, 12:18:48 AM
A second, more revealing trailer has been unveiled today:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwRdVw82Jd8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 10, 2015, 12:27:40 AM
I hope we get some sort of resolution to the Gentry storyline started in S3. At this stage I think we're meant to assume that he fell out of the boat on the way to Kings Landing.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on March 10, 2015, 12:31:27 AM
I hope we get some sort of resolution to the Gentry storyline started in S3. At this stage I think we're meant to assume that he fell out of the boat on the way to Kings Landing.

Well, I had actually forgotten about him. And I can't remember what happened to him in the books, though I recall that it differed from the events in the HBO version.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 10, 2015, 03:41:44 AM
I hope we get some sort of resolution to the Gentry storyline started in S3. At this stage I think we're meant to assume that he fell out of the boat on the way to Kings Landing.

Well, I had actually forgotten about him. And I can't remember what happened to him in the books, though I recall that it differed from the events in the HBO version.
Has a totally different storyline in the books, but he's still around as far as anyone knows.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on March 10, 2015, 06:20:01 AM
I hope we get some sort of resolution to the Gentry storyline started in S3. At this stage I think we're meant to assume that he fell out of the boat on the way to Kings Landing.

Well, I had actually forgotten about him. And I can't remember what happened to him in the books, though I recall that it differed from the events in the HBO version.
Has a totally different storyline in the books, but he's still around as far as anyone knows.

He has a lot of fanfiction devoted to him! Maybe just pick one of those for his story resolution.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: sennydreadful on March 10, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
I hope we get some sort of resolution to the Gentry storyline started in S3. At this stage I think we're meant to assume that he fell out of the boat on the way to Kings Landing.

In my head I have written* an entire series of adventures about Gendry in that boat. Poor lad.

 

* may not be entirely true.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 11, 2015, 12:18:42 AM
I hope we get some sort of resolution to the Gentry storyline started in S3. At this stage I think we're meant to assume that he fell out of the boat on the way to Kings Landing.

Well, I had actually forgotten about him. And I can't remember what happened to him in the books, though I recall that it differed from the events in the HBO version.
Has a totally different storyline in the books, but he's still around as far as anyone knows.

He has a lot of fanfiction devoted to him! Maybe just pick one of those for his story resolution.
Books or TV show? Where Gendry is concerned they're totally different beasts. I'm not all that concerned about him. I just find it rather amusing that they seemed to completely forget about the character for an entire season. I can't see any news of the actor returning this season either (admittedly I don't scour the 'net looking for information either). I do wonder what they'll do about Isaac Hempstead Wright going forward as well, he's not in Season 5 at all, and last time we saw him he was very clearly older than Bran has been portrayed in the books.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ScarletBea on March 11, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
I do wonder what they'll do about Isaac Hempstead Wright going forward as well, he's not in Season 5 at all, and last time we saw him he was very clearly older than Bran has been portrayed in the books.

Bran will have been "transformed" by the three-eyed crow and so "will look different" (i.e. different actor ;))
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 11, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
I do wonder what they'll do about Isaac Hempstead Wright going forward as well, he's not in Season 5 at all, and last time we saw him he was very clearly older than Bran has been portrayed in the books.

Bran will have been "transformed" by the three-eyed crow and so "will look different" (i.e. different actor ;))
I kind of figured that from what the books have done with the character, lucky that happened for HBO, eh?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on March 16, 2015, 02:40:51 PM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.

Is he? His importance in my mind by the end of ADwD seemed a bit vague and there is still some question as to whether he is who people claim him to be. I'm firmly in the he's a fake camp in the same way the fake Arya is married to Ramsay Bolton. Plus despite recent rumours of 10 seasons & a movie I do think the producers have had to do some serious culling to the book cast and I dont think they would have culled a character IF he was so important to the outcome of the books.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 16, 2015, 11:37:20 PM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.

Is he? His importance in my mind by the end of ADwD seemed a bit vague and there is still some question as to whether he is who people claim him to be. I'm firmly in the he's a fake camp in the same way the fake Arya is married to Ramsay Bolton. Plus despite recent rumours of 10 seasons & a movie I do think the producers have had to do some serious culling to the book cast and I dont think they would have culled a character IF he was so important to the outcome of the books.
In terms of the show I think they may have a problem if they randomly introduce this character who is VERY important to the overall scheme of things in S5. They've established their main cast now, and I think they'll stick with it until the end. I tend to rank Aegon in importance with Edric Storm, who also never appeared in the TV show.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on March 17, 2015, 01:12:05 AM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.

Is he? His importance in my mind by the end of ADwD seemed a bit vague and there is still some question as to whether he is who people claim him to be. I'm firmly in the he's a fake camp in the same way the fake Arya is married to Ramsay Bolton. Plus despite recent rumours of 10 seasons & a movie I do think the producers have had to do some serious culling to the book cast and I dont think they would have culled a character IF he was so important to the outcome of the books.
He doesn't seem important at first, but he does let the dragons free at the end of the fifth one so... I would consider that important. Of course, you can just have them get out some other way, but still.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Idlewilder on March 17, 2015, 09:00:23 AM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.

Is he? His importance in my mind by the end of ADwD seemed a bit vague and there is still some question as to whether he is who people claim him to be. I'm firmly in the he's a fake camp in the same way the fake Arya is married to Ramsay Bolton. Plus despite recent rumours of 10 seasons & a movie I do think the producers have had to do some serious culling to the book cast and I dont think they would have culled a character IF he was so important to the outcome of the books.
He doesn't seem important at first, but he does let the dragons free at the end of the fifth one so... I would consider that important. Of course, you can just have them get out some other way, but still.

Wasn't that Quentyn Martell?  ???
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on March 17, 2015, 09:10:19 PM
Oh yeah, that's right. Okay, excuse my lapse of memory. Aegon is that prince guy, who may or may not have an effect on the overall plot.
So many damn characters. I should really look at that glossary thing.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on March 17, 2015, 09:20:31 PM
It is interesting that they are setting up lots of characters from Dorne, and sending a party over to Dorne, but yet they don't seem to be doing the Aegon plotline as surely all the Dorne set up was for that rather than the Quentyn Martell dead end plot?

Also no Kingsmoot and no introduction of any new Greyjoys - so the Theon and Yara/ Asha plotline must be being developed in an entirely different manner. 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 17, 2015, 11:41:56 PM
I think they did the Dorne thing to team up Jaime with Bronn, it's a way of keeping a popular character in the show that isn't in the books by that stage. It does make me wonder if they'll disappoint all the Jaime Brienne shippers out there, though.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on March 27, 2015, 01:45:33 PM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.

Is he? His importance in my mind by the end of ADwD seemed a bit vague and there is still some question as to whether he is who people claim him to be. I'm firmly in the he's a fake camp in the same way the fake Arya is married to Ramsay Bolton. Plus despite recent rumours of 10 seasons & a movie I do think the producers have had to do some serious culling to the book cast and I dont think they would have culled a character IF he was so important to the outcome of the books.
In terms of the show I think they may have a problem if they randomly introduce this character who is VERY important to the overall scheme of things in S5. They've established their main cast now, and I think they'll stick with it until the end. I tend to rank Aegon in importance with Edric Storm, who also never appeared in the TV show.

Never appeared and replaced by Gendry. I do think the Aegon arc will be/has been cut simply because not enough time has been allocated to building that side of the mythos up. We know about the Targaryan children being killed by Gregor but that was to establish the Red Viper and his hatred for the Lannisters. I think with Jamie & Bronn heading to Dorne the Martell's will be more of a direct threat the the Lannister masterplan rather than being involved in some long game to bring Aegon back.

Plus in the books I never got why Varys/Illios invested so much in Daenerys if they also had Aegon.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on March 27, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
I'm really angry that Aegon won't be present in the show. He's very important in the end.

Is he? His importance in my mind by the end of ADwD seemed a bit vague and there is still some question as to whether he is who people claim him to be. I'm firmly in the he's a fake camp in the same way the fake Arya is married to Ramsay Bolton. Plus despite recent rumours of 10 seasons & a movie I do think the producers have had to do some serious culling to the book cast and I dont think they would have culled a character IF he was so important to the outcome of the books.
In terms of the show I think they may have a problem if they randomly introduce this character who is VERY important to the overall scheme of things in S5. They've established their main cast now, and I think they'll stick with it until the end. I tend to rank Aegon in importance with Edric Storm, who also never appeared in the TV show.

Never appeared and replaced by Gendry. I do think the Aegon arc will be/has been cut simply because not enough time has been allocated to building that side of the mythos up. We know about the Targaryan children being killed by Gregor but that was to establish the Red Viper and his hatred for the Lannisters. I think with Jamie & Bronn heading to Dorne the Martell's will be more of a direct threat the the Lannister masterplan rather than being involved in some long game to bring Aegon back.

Plus in the books I never got why Varys/Illios invested so much in Daenerys if they also had Aegon.
Well, they say don't put all your eggs in one basket right? So yeah, put money on Aegon, but also have Daenerys as a back up. Or the other way around. Either way, you back whoever becomes strongest, or unite the two and have them marry like the targaryens normally do.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ScarletBea on March 27, 2015, 09:09:59 PM
Ok, it's official. I hardly remember anything from the deep political plots of the books, 3-5 years after reading 4-5 :'(
And this means I should get down from my silly high horse and just watch the *%^$£ tv series ::)

(although the 2 have a perfect connection in my brain: it's exactly because I can't remember that I don't want to get influenced by what they show on tv and then think that's what happened in the books. I am definitely not in the mood currently to re-read them, even if only 3-4, or 4-5 :-\)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 27, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
Ok, it's official. I hardly remember anything from the deep political plots of the books, 3-5 years after reading 4-5 :'(
And this means I should get down from my silly high horse and just watch the *%^$£ tv series ::)

(although the 2 have a perfect connection in my brain: it's exactly because I can't remember that I don't want to get influenced by what they show on tv and then think that's what happened in the books. I am definitely not in the mood currently to re-read them, even if only 3-4, or 4-5 :-\)
Be a there are a few places that give you precis on what has happened in the books and that means that you can brush up and not reread the whole thing. I'd recommend Tower of the Hand, that's a kind of an online ASoIaF encyclopedia. I also think Tor.com are doing one of their rereads, but they're up to A Dance with Dragons.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on March 30, 2015, 09:02:34 PM
Just putting this out there to speculate over however you wish.

According to WninterIsComing a major spoiler/tease has been leaked about two characters many thought had been cut from S5.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/03/30/game-of-thrones-season-5-rumors-to-griff-or-not-to-griff/

The tease comes from Nikolaj Coster-Waldau but after Lena Headey's "stone heart" last year he could just be messing with us as well, you know what these Lannister's are like,

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on March 30, 2015, 11:21:40 PM
Just putting this out there to speculate over however you wish.

According to WninterIsComing a major spoiler/tease has been leaked about two characters many thought had been cut from S5.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/03/30/game-of-thrones-season-5-rumors-to-griff-or-not-to-griff/

The tease comes from Nikolaj Coster-Waldau but after Lena Headey's "stone heart" last year he could just be messing with us as well, you know what these Lannister's are like,
I recently saw Nikolaj Coster-Waldau in an early role as the villain in My Name is Modesty (it was a Modesty Blaise origin film that Miramar made on the cheap so that they could retain the rights in case Tarantino ever wanted to film it). It struck me as I watched, that he'd make a great Willie Garvin (also from Modesty Blaise) if he could just get the cockney accent right. He's been a real find for the show. Has wonderful comic timing. I just love his line from an earlier season (may have been 3?) when Qyburn has to fix his stump and offers him milk of the poppy which he declines. Qyburn: 'It's going to hurt.'
Jaime: 'I'll scream.'
Q: 'It's going to hurt a lot.'
J: 'I'll scream very loudly.'
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ScarletBea on April 12, 2015, 07:36:18 PM
So, it's tomorrow (or today, I think, for our american friends).
I've set it to record: whether I'll actually watch it or not is still to be decided... probably right at the end, watch it in a few concentrated days.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Arry on April 13, 2015, 12:17:26 AM
So, it's tomorrow (or today, I think, for our american friends).
I've set it to record: whether I'll actually watch it or not is still to be decided... probably right at the end, watch it in a few concentrated days.

I will definitely be watching tonight. Less than two hours to go and getting ready to finish our Season 4 re-watch (1 episode left) just before season 5 premiers.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on April 13, 2015, 12:26:44 AM
My wife and I are planning to be in pajamas, dog on the bed, TV on, watching.  ;D

Update, no spoilers.

Very fun. I'm no purest on this one, folks. I like the show and the books.
As a show, very fun. Of course, we had to visit with, what, 129 main characters?  ;)
We are living in a time when there is so much great fantasy that maybe we're almost a bit spoiled. Awesome show whether it's exact to book or whether GRRM ever finishes.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on April 13, 2015, 09:52:20 PM
The deviations are starting: I don't think that was Rattleshirt under a glimmer burning alive.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on April 14, 2015, 12:32:00 AM
There will be more and further deviations, and I for one, don't mind them. Tonight's was really just a catch up with what everyone's doing and where they are, just putting the wheels in motion. Next week will cover some of the characters we didn't see this time (the little bit at the end with flashes of next week showed at least one main character that didn't appear this week). The CGI with the dragons was very good.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: BeardKing on April 14, 2015, 04:09:40 PM
Does anyone get the feeling that Lady Stoneheart is coming soon? I do. :)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on April 15, 2015, 01:05:28 AM
Does anyone get the feeling that Lady Stoneheart is coming soon? I do. :)
The little bit from next week with Pod in the forest? I wondered about that.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: BeardKing on April 15, 2015, 02:18:59 PM
The little bit from next week with Pod in the forest? I wondered about that.

Maybe not next week, but sometime this season? I feel like they can't parade Brienne and Pod around all season like they did The Hound and Arya. I also read somewhere that the final episode of the season is called "Hooded Woman." It's anyone's guess if that's true or not.

Here's to hoping! :D

(http://i.imgur.com/qUVFWEs.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on April 16, 2015, 01:08:18 AM
The little bit from next week with Pod in the forest? I wondered about that.

Maybe not next week, but sometime this season? I feel like they can't parade Brienne and Pod around all season like they did The Hound and Arya. I also read somewhere that the final episode of the season is called "Hooded Woman." It's anyone's guess if that's true or not.

Here's to hoping! :D

(http://i.imgur.com/qUVFWEs.jpg)
They managed to do it in A Feast for Crows.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on April 20, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Okay. I am throwing my books out of the window. This is now following some very different paths to the books.  Though thank god Briene has actually found both Arya and Sansa, not sure I could have coped with a whole series of her and iPod traipsing up and down Westeros, before running into Samwell Tarly's obnoxious father. And where are Littlefinger and Sansa off to?  Even in the latest revealed chapter from Winds of Winter she is still in the bloody Eyrie!  Also pleased to see Tyrion nowhere near a canal boat so far. 

I am assuming we are supposing that Jame is taking the Ser Aerys plot for A Feast of Crows (and wouldn't be surprised if he gets some lovin' from a Sand snake - HBO need their skin for the series.)  Excellent casting of Alexander Siddig as Prince Doran- a very underrated actor.

Dany's plot is still tediously dull though - only Drogon livened things up.  And this time she has no envoys from Dorne or the Greyjoys to await (I assume ....) she is just going to be attempting to rule Meereen till Tyrion shows up.  (One way of avoiding of the Meereenese knot!) 

What else? The offer Stannis makes Jon Snow is curiously underplayed.  Does the TV series not realise what a big deal this was?  Also interesting they did a way with the Sam rigging the votes plot (though guess it would have slowed things down.)  Also is Sam not going to be heading off to Old Town? That was also another curious side  plot from the books that seemed to go nowhere.  (Remember someone taking on the persona of Pate - sinister dark magics? - all a blur now!)

Will let Arry post about Arya and Jaqen H’Ghar - let her have her fangirl squeal. 

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on April 20, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
The problem I feel with Dany's story in the show is the same as GRRM had in the books, what the hell to do with her now she is Queen of Slaver Bay. Unfortunately despite a lot of promise (in the books) Dany's story stagnated (and is still stagnating) because she spent most of her time mooning over/shagging Daario rather than actually doing anything (and I for one am hoping his was one of the heads sent flying over the walls of Mereen at the end of ADwD). I hope with the writers cutting out a lot of Tyrion's Rough Guide to Essos and the Greyjoys/Martells that things will move quicker as the season progresses.

Not sure where they are going with Sansa/Littlefinger as they are now well outside of the books. And is the "marriage proposal" he's accepted for him or her?

They need to find something for Brienne to do because with Jamie off to Dorne there cannot now be any Lady Stoneheart and most of the Riverlands stuff needs to be re-thought/written.

Whats up with Qyburn and the dwarfs head, will Ser Robert the Strong have it? And without Prince Doran's plot from the books in play what else is there for him to do & will the coup succeed in the show where it failed in the books?

So Jon is Lord Commander, hopefully Slynt will loose his head next week!
 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on April 20, 2015, 10:31:08 PM
All bets are off really. I am watching this series with the pleasure of knowing it will be surprising with the stuff that is familiar becoming less and less as we go on.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on April 21, 2015, 12:12:32 AM
I'm not sure if Qyburn took the dwarf's head to use on Ser Robert Strong or whether they just put that in there to establish how creepy he is and let the audience know that he's a bit of a Frankenstein type.
Dany's problem in the show is the same as the books. She has to learn how to be a queen, and Meereen is the most logical place for her to do that, but at the same time all the readers and viewers want is for her to ride a dragon over to Westeros and have a big fight.
Lejays17 came up with the theory that Brienne and Pod will find their way to Dorne, that does make sense from a TV show point of view. Not much point in traipsing after Littlefinger and Sansa, when Sansa clearly doesn't want Brienne's assistance, and with Cat and Robb dead, who is she going to deliver her to anyway? Having Brienne and Pod in Dorne reunites Brienne and Jaime, and there is a significant portion of TV fandom that want this to happen. Not at all sure where the Littlefinger and Sansa plot is going.
I liked what they did with Arya and Jaqen. That was a clever way of introducing this plot line.
I hope Tyrion gets out of the wine jar and to Meereen fairly soon. His storyline in the show is becoming as tedious as it was in the book, and we don't even have the turtles to distract us from it.
The Wall storyline this episode followed the book more faithfully.
While watching I kept being distracted by the howls of anguish from the book purists.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: sennydreadful on April 21, 2015, 09:33:38 AM
I must admit, I absolutely love that I no longer have any idea what's going to happen :D Also Qyburn's creepy little face is fast becoming a favourite of mine.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on April 22, 2015, 01:46:59 AM
I haven't watched all the seasons before this, but I've read the books. So I'm just trying to roll with things.
Sansa. What the hell is she doing? I thought she would've been weirded out by Littlefinger. But no. She'll just stay with him and be his little pawn. Of course, she might not be any safer with Brienne, despite her best intentions. This is the only reason I see the writers keeping Brienne around.
Also, my good friend Jon Snow. It's such a minor thing, but why not do the whole raven comes out of the bucket screaming his name thing? It couldn't have been that hard. Speaking of which, where is that annoying bird anyways? I kind of miss him.
And the Horn. The books make it sound important. Does Sam even have the one Jon gave him in book 2? Not sure if this happened in the show or not. And the big fancy one. They never found that one either?
I'm hoping the Greyjoy people appear. I thought the dragon horn thing would play a big part when everyone tries to deal with Daenerys. Of course, the show could just avoid that plot, but it seemed interesting.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on April 22, 2015, 10:47:24 AM
Loved the scene in Dorne, mainly because I've been to where they filmed it. It's the Alcázar, in Seville, Spain. Perfect place for the Dornish water gardens  :)

As for the series veering away from everything we know, I love it. Finally I can be awed and surprised by what will come. I only hope that the pace starts picking up a bit, particularly for Daenerys, though Drogon's appearance at the end may be a hint that she is almost flying out of there.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on April 22, 2015, 11:22:17 AM
Loved the scene in Dorne, mainly because I've been to where they filmed it. It's the Alcázar, in Seville, Spain. Perfect place for the Dornish water gardens  :)

As for the series veering away from everything we know, I love it. Finally I can be awed and surprised by what will come. I only hope that the pace starts picking up a bit, particularly for Daenerys, though Drogon's appearance at the end may be a hint that she is almost flying out of there.
Yes, pace! I'm feeling a little dullsville about it right now. Between Brianne's stubbornness about Pod, Tirion's morose turn, and Blondie's slow learner bit, we're moving at a snail's pace. Note, I have DwD on the bookshelf and haven't read it. I'm the book is just as slow, but for TV there's gotta be a balance.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on April 27, 2015, 09:02:36 PM
Episode 3 was pretty interesting.
So I'm curious, did Jeyne Poole die in Season 1? Because it doesn't look like she'll be playing the part of Arya. And how will this effect Jon Snow's decision to take his people down to Winterfell? Will he be as enthusiastic?
Tomen and Margaery. That was interesting to say the least. Which makes me curious. How will the Cersei VS. Margaery storyline play out if there's no rumor of her sleeping around with other people? Or is there and I'm missing it?
Or maybe I should stop thinking about the books and just roll with it. That's hard to do, and none of what I mentioned above may happen in the first place. Either way, it's fun to speculate. For me anyway.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on April 27, 2015, 10:54:38 PM
Episode 3 was pretty interesting.
So I'm curious, did Jeyne Poole die in Season 1? Because it doesn't look like she'll be playing the part of Arya. And how will this effect Jon Snow's decision to take his people down to Winterfell? Will he be as enthusiastic?
Tomen and Margaery. That was interesting to say the least. Which makes me curious. How will the Cersei VS. Margaery storyline play out if there's no rumor of her sleeping around with other people? Or is there and I'm missing it?
Or maybe I should stop thinking about the books and just roll with it. That's hard to do, and none of what I mentioned above may happen in the first place. Either way, it's fun to speculate. For me anyway.

Whilst there were various girls with Sansa early in S1 I dont think any of them were named ad Jeyne so its safe to assume Sansa has taken on her role.

Cersie V Margaery - going by next weeks trailer it looks like Cersie is talking to the High Sparrow about "a great sinner in our midst" which could be that storyline beginning to unfold.

Tonights episode was great, the Bridge At Volantis looked spectacular and Arya got the best line/laugh with a word I bet she won't be using in Dr Who.

The opening credits were a bit strange though. Moat Cailin when all they do was pass by it and yet no Volantis when they spent quite a bit of time there? Perhaps there are so many locations not the credits are not long enough to show them all, no Water Gardens last week either.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on April 27, 2015, 10:58:55 PM
Episode 3 was pretty interesting.
So I'm curious, did Jeyne Poole die in Season 1? Because it doesn't look like she'll be playing the part of Arya. And how will this effect Jon Snow's decision to take his people down to Winterfell? Will he be as enthusiastic?
Tomen and Margaery. That was interesting to say the least. Which makes me curious. How will the Cersei VS. Margaery storyline play out if there's no rumor of her sleeping around with other people? Or is there and I'm missing it?
Or maybe I should stop thinking about the books and just roll with it. That's hard to do, and none of what I mentioned above may happen in the first place. Either way, it's fun to speculate. For me anyway.

Whilst there were various girls with Sansa early in S1 I dont think any of them were named ad Jeyne so its safe to assume Sansa has taken on her role.

Cersie V Margaery - going by next weeks trailer it looks like Cersie is talking to the High Sparrow about "a great sinner in our midst" which could be that storyline beginning to unfold.

Tonights episode was great, the Bridge At Volantis looked spectacular and Arya got the best line/laugh with a word I bet she won't be using in Dr Who.

The opening credits were a bit strange though. Moat Cailin when all they do was pass by it and yet no Volantis when they spent quite a bit of time there? Perhaps there are so many locations not the credits are not long enough to show them all, no Water Gardens last week either.

I think this series has the potential to blow books 4 and 5 out of the water.  They have really been ruthless in cutting superfluous plotline, or merging plotlines to tighten things up, making it far more dramatic and exciting. Chills went through me when I realized who Littlefinger intended to marry Sansa off to.  Superb casting as well for the High Sparrow.   
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on April 28, 2015, 12:24:41 AM
Episode 3 was pretty interesting.
So I'm curious, did Jeyne Poole die in Season 1? Because it doesn't look like she'll be playing the part of Arya. And how will this effect Jon Snow's decision to take his people down to Winterfell? Will he be as enthusiastic?
Tomen and Margaery. That was interesting to say the least. Which makes me curious. How will the Cersei VS. Margaery storyline play out if there's no rumor of her sleeping around with other people? Or is there and I'm missing it?
Or maybe I should stop thinking about the books and just roll with it. That's hard to do, and none of what I mentioned above may happen in the first place. Either way, it's fun to speculate. For me anyway.
They did have a character in S1, who was meant to be Jeyne, although I'm not sure if they ever specifically named her. Littlefinger took her off Cerise's hands when her presence proved inconvenient. At that stage it looked like they were going to follow the Jeyne becomes Arya storyline, but clearly they've changed their minds on that.
Cersei V Margaery could play out another way. One of the charges levelled against Anne Boleyn when Henry wanted to behead her was adultery, because she was married to the king, that amounted to treason. One of the accused was actually her brother. He was also beheaded. I don't think he ever confessed to being his sister's lover, but one of the other accused did confess under torture. Cersei could accuse Margaery of the same thing, using Loras as one of the co accused. It would be rather ironic considering that Cersei was guilty of doing just that with Jaime during her marriage to Robert.
I was surprised and delighted to see Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow. Yet another Bond villain makes an appearance in the show. He was Elliott Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies, I wonder if he and Julian Glover (Maester Pycelle and Aristos Christatos in For Your Eyes Only) get together and reminisce about how they pulled the wool over Bond's eyes.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on April 28, 2015, 01:05:47 PM
Just gonna throw this out there and see what people think...

Sansa seem's to have been given a darker arc in the show end of S4 and into S5 than she had at the period in the books which got me to wondering are they gearing her up to take on the Lady Stoneheart role? Not by killing her and bringing her back but will she become the vengeful figure her mother was and marry Ramsay and take out the Bolton's from the inside before moving on to the Lannisters and the rest of the South as the figurehead for the resurrgent North?

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on April 28, 2015, 01:21:21 PM
Marrying Ramsey and the bedding just seems too dark.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on April 29, 2015, 01:05:40 AM
Just gonna throw this out there and see what people think...

Sansa seem's to have been given a darker arc in the show end of S4 and into S5 than she had at the period in the books which got me to wondering are they gearing her up to take on the Lady Stoneheart role? Not by killing her and bringing her back but will she become the vengeful figure her mother was and marry Ramsay and take out the Bolton's from the inside before moving on to the Lannisters and the rest of the South as the figurehead for the resurrgent North?
I'm just hoping that someone, I don't care who, kills Ramsay.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on April 29, 2015, 11:04:05 AM
Just gonna throw this out there and see what people think...

Sansa seem's to have been given a darker arc in the show end of S4 and into S5 than she had at the period in the books which got me to wondering are they gearing her up to take on the Lady Stoneheart role? Not by killing her and bringing her back but will she become the vengeful figure her mother was and marry Ramsay and take out the Bolton's from the inside before moving on to the Lannisters and the rest of the South as the figurehead for the resurrgent North?
I'm just hoping that someone, I don't care who, kills Ramsay.

Although I loved how unexpected it was, it just seemed so awful to have Sansa and Ramsay marry.

Maybe she can cook some of her beloved lemon cakes with poison...  ;D

And judging by next week's trailer, it seems Cersei will start moving the pieces against Margaery, through the High Sparrow. I'm guessing she'll be dragged naked through the streets by episode 09.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on May 03, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
A television critic who grew up in the town where I live just won the Pulitzer Prize for her journalism. In an interview,Moshe was asked "Whats the one show you would recommend people check out?"

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For me, "Game of Thrones" is the most amazing piece of television in terms of breadth and ambition and hugeness and the ability to juggle multiple story lines and even deal with dragons. Fantasy falls apart so easily, but I love that genre, and I can deal with people getting their heads cut off.

That was fun to bump into on a Sunday morning in the local paper.

And I can deal with people getting their heads chopped off, too. Until it's mine.  ;)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 04, 2015, 10:10:31 PM
"The Sons Of The Harpy" was a bit of a filler episode, a couple of good actions scenes but by and large the writers are still moving characters into position for the 'bigger' episodes to come.

Some points...

Greyscale gets mentioned again, is this leading to something.

You know nothing Jon Snow

Sansa picking up the feather Robert placed in Lyanna's had in the very first episode

The tourney at Harranhall story, was Littlefingers look when Sansa said about Rhaeger raping her aunt and Stannis' comment that "Ned Stark would never father a child on a tavern wench" confirmation of R+L=J ?

Ser Barriston & Greyworm, there was comments that a character still alive in the book dies this season but which one of these two is it?

The Unsullied, considering what badasses they are supposed to be they are getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of mask-wearing slavers. They are supposed to be a highly trained army and yet apart from Greyworm they are all fairl poor fighters.

Jamie & Bronn bromance

King Tomman, after Joffrey he's a wet blanket.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 05, 2015, 12:58:20 AM
"The Sons Of The Harpy" was a bit of a filler episode, a couple of good actions scenes but by and large the writers are still moving characters into position for the 'bigger' episodes to come.

Some points...

Greyscale gets mentioned again, is this leading to something.

You know nothing Jon Snow

Sansa picking up the feather Robert placed in Lyanna's had in the very first episode

The tourney at Harranhall story, was Littlefingers look when Sansa said about Rhaeger raping her aunt and Stannis' comment that "Ned Stark would never father a child on a tavern wench" confirmation of R+L=J ?

Ser Barriston & Greyworm, there was comments that a character still alive in the book dies this season but which one of these two is it?

The Unsullied, considering what badasses they are supposed to be they are getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of mask-wearing slavers. They are supposed to be a highly trained army and yet apart from Greyworm they are all fairl poor fighters.

Jamie & Bronn bromance

King Tomman, after Joffrey he's a wet blanket.
Agree with all of that. Although I did love the right Jaime and Bronn had with the Dornish soldiers, especially the aftermath with Jaime having the sword stuck in his hand. I picked it just before it happened, shouted at the TV set, 'block his sword with your fake hand!'

I think Barristan is the one who dies, Grey Worm may also, but in the little snippets of 'next week on Game of Thrones' there's a body laid out and it looks more like Barristan (I'm gutted). This may be the catalyst that causes Dany to unleash her dragons on Meereen, lay waste to it and then head to Westeros to claim her birth right.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 06, 2015, 04:15:46 AM
Oh hell. If it takes Barristan's death to get her to Westeros... Goodbye my dear friend.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Arry on May 06, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
I thought this was rather interesting, thought I'd share :)

Pretty much, GRRM's editor does not like the divergences from the books:
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/05/06/george-r-r-martins-editor-is-unhappy-with-game-of-thrones-departures-from-the-books/

I think she has an excellent point about Loras, but will also say it is nearly impossible to make a character as nuanced in a show or movie as they are in the book. But still, he has definitely lost a good bit of depth I think.

I will continue my current strategy of viewing them as two completely different things. I'm also hoping to convert my husband to this strategy as he is constantly trying to point out/mention/question things whenever the show deviates.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 06, 2015, 08:27:54 PM
Perhaps one question we should be asking is does Barriston Selmy die in The Winds of Winter? Considering it has been said the showrunners have been given a general overview of the last two books by GRRM.

Also with Barriston dead it leaves an opening at Dany's side for Jorah to return to both in the books and on TV.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 06, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
And one major thing I missed in my rundown a couple of posts back....

Stannis & Shereen, that was so touching and gave such depth to Stannis' character. Though I do worry about Melisandre's comment about Shereen having kings blood considering her taste for sacrificing people with that blood type.

Also if Mel goes south with Stannis she wont be there to save/resurrect Jon if he suffers the same fate he does in the book?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 06, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
Barristan may not die in Winds but I don't think they would kill off anyone who has an important role in the endgame so I don't think his presence will matter one way or another in the end.

As for Loras I never really thought he had much screen time in the books to gain all this depth everyone seems to think his character has. 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 06, 2015, 09:49:22 PM
Barristan may not die in Winds but I don't think they would kill off anyone who has an important role in the endgame so I don't think his presence will matter one way or another in the end.

As for Loras I never really thought he had much screen time in the books to gain all this depth everyone seems to think his character has.

I always got the impression in the books that Loras was as good if not better swordsman than Jamie and had more of a role in the war (he was given the lead on the attack on Dragonstone IIRC). He has been reduced to something of a bitplayer in the show.

Also something I've just seen that is interesting over on WiC. Meryn Trant is escorting Mace Tyrell to Braavos, who else is in Braavos who's list Meryn appears on?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 06, 2015, 11:44:45 PM
Barristan may not die in Winds but I don't think they would kill off anyone who has an important role in the endgame so I don't think his presence will matter one way or another in the end.

As for Loras I never really thought he had much screen time in the books to gain all this depth everyone seems to think his character has.

I always got the impression in the books that Loras was as good if not better swordsman than Jamie and had more of a role in the war (he was given the lead on the attack on Dragonstone IIRC). He has been reduced to something of a bitplayer in the show.

Also something I've just seen that is interesting over on WiC. Meryn Trant is escorting Mace Tyrell to Braavos, who else is in Braavos who's list Meryn appears on?

Lord's in the books seems to be a clone of what Jamie was like at that age,  maybe that hasn't come through as well in the show.   I believe he was sent to Dragonstone to keep him away from Margery as Cersei started to plot against her, the show is just going with a different route for this. 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 07, 2015, 12:02:21 AM
I try to see the two as different beasts, but I do like being in territory where I don't know what will happen/who will die. I saw Ian Mcelhinney on the Thronecast and he clearly wasn't happy that his character was written out. They've marginalised Loras a fair bit and he was far more subtle in the books, he was also a bit smarter.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 07, 2015, 01:17:52 PM
I try to see the two as different beasts, but I do like being in territory where I don't know what will happen/who will die. I saw Ian Mcelhinney on the Thronecast and he clearly wasn't happy that his character was written out. They've marginalised Loras a fair bit and he was far more subtle in the books, he was also a bit smarter.

I do like not knowing what is coming up.  I mean we know Jon is likely going to get it at some point and there will be a fighting pit scene with the dragons but beyond that who really knows.

The show and the book are two different beasts as you say, but they're the same species if I want to stretch the metaphor.  I have a feeling that all of the major characters in the show will end up at pretty much exactly how they would in the books, they'll just take different paths to get there.  For me I just want some sort of resolution and I'm glad I'm going to get it from the show, I doubt I'll even read the books when they come out unless I hear they are amazing.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 07, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
I'll admit when I first started watching this season, it really through me off when I found out Loras was gay. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people. But why? What did that do for his character? Nothing. It felt like the writers went I can change something, so let's do it.
From what I understood, Cersei sent Loras off to Dragonstone to get him killed, which may or may not have been successful. We haven't seen a body in the books yet. At least from what I remember.
I'll definitely read the books when they come out, for a few reasons. There's got to be a reason Sansa's still at the Eyrie. I don't get it yet, but there has to be. Also, that Greyjoy guy is going to try to meet up with Daenerys, and Tyrion... I don't really understand what's going on with him in the books right now at all. So I have to see.
And Samwell. There has to be a reason he's at the maester training place.
And then there's the matter of the two dragons hanging out in Merene... It should be fun.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 07, 2015, 07:43:11 PM
I'll admit when I first started watching this season, it really through me off when I found out Loras was gay. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people. But why? What did that do for his character? Nothing. It felt like the writers went I can change something, so let's do it.

Loras is definitely gay in the books, he and Renly had a thing together, it's just a little more nuanced than in the show as you're left with a lot of hints but don't actually see anything happening outright.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on May 07, 2015, 07:56:16 PM
I'll admit when I first started watching this season, it really through me off when I found out Loras was gay. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people. But why? What did that do for his character? Nothing. It felt like the writers went I can change something, so let's do it.

Loras is definitely gay in the books, he and Renly had a thing together, it's just a little more nuanced than in the show as you're left with a lot of hints but don't actually see anything happening outright.

Yes, he was always quite clearly gay.  Though the TV series made it just a bit more obvious for people who can pick up carefully given hints.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 07, 2015, 11:48:17 PM
I'll admit when I first started watching this season, it really through me off when I found out Loras was gay. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people. But why? What did that do for his character? Nothing. It felt like the writers went I can change something, so let's do it.
From what I understood, Cersei sent Loras off to Dragonstone to get him killed, which may or may not have been successful. We haven't seen a body in the books yet. At least from what I remember.
I'll definitely read the books when they come out, for a few reasons. There's got to be a reason Sansa's still at the Eyrie. I don't get it yet, but there has to be. Also, that Greyjoy guy is going to try to meet up with Daenerys, and Tyrion... I don't really understand what's going on with him in the books right now at all. So I have to see.
And Samwell. There has to be a reason he's at the maester training place.
And then there's the matter of the two dragons hanging out in Merene... It should be fun.
There's a couple of storylines in the show that they seem to have almost written off as a bad idea. One is the Ironborn. There was Asha/Yara's failed attempt to rescue Theon and I don't think we've seen her since, and they're clearly not going to bring the uncles into the plot to complicate it any further. Then there's Gendry left rowing about in the bay for the last season or so. Gendry is not forgotten about either. They mention him at least once every episode of the Thronecast.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on May 07, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
I think Shereen will be the reason why Samwell goes South to Oldtown.  I suspect Stannis and Jon will arrange for her to go with Sam and his wildling girlfriend and child.  (Wr have already seen that little group together in the library.)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 08, 2015, 10:06:53 PM
Wow. I completely didn't pick up on him being gay. I don't know how I missed that.
I thought the Ironborn thing was going to be important, especially since they have the hellhorn.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 08, 2015, 10:51:52 PM
Been a lot of stuff leaked today (Inside the episode for "Kill The Boy" for one) but also WiC have been sent a link to a page on the HBO site in the US that lists what maybe episode 9 title.

"The Dance Of Dragons"

If this is true a hell of a lot could be read into what that title means.

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 11, 2015, 10:28:47 PM
OK so "Kill The Boy"

Bye bye Ser Barriston, not sure the reasoning behind this except to leave an opening for Jorah to step in and retake his place at Dany's side. Still at least we go to see Barriston The Bold kick ass last week. I'm told the bit with the dragons was great but I missed it as my SkyGo decided to pack up for bout 5 minutes at that moment

Missandre & Grey Worm, not sure why we're seeing this relationship unless its to "humanise" the Unsullied the same way they had to with Spock and Data every chance in Star Trek.

Jon's story is going to run out of book really soon, he's already used up most of his story from ADwD so I guess this road trip with the Giantsbane keeps him going a while longer.

Ramsay vs Roose in the most uncomfortable dinner party ever, that really needed a voice over from the guy off Come Dine With Me. Hard to say who would win in any battle of the Bolton's but daddy Roose is definitely the bigger bastard I think. And Reek, poor Reek.

Sam telling Gilly about the Citadel, is this foreshadowing or dropped in becasue I cant seem them having time to tell that side story? And will Sam be making a trip to Dragonstone for obsidian?

Valyria, wow that looked great and made greater by Drogon flying overhead. And stonemen, guess thats why Greyscale has been pimped so much this season. But with Jorah now infected does that definitely mean Big & Little Griff are out seeing Jon Connington is infected in the books and Jorah takes his place?

That bit after Tyrion fell in the water went on a long time, I did think they were going to leave it there on a cliffhanger like the chapter ended in the books.

 All in all another strong episode. They episode felt more relaxed as we spent more time in each location, this is worrying because with so many story threads in play now the producers either need to cram too much in or have episodes where characters don't appear. I wonder if this might lead to some story threads being cut shorter to fit it all in.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 12, 2015, 12:13:01 AM
OK so "Kill The Boy"

Bye bye Ser Barriston, not sure the reasoning behind this except to leave an opening for Jorah to step in and retake his place at Dany's side. Still at least we go to see Barriston The Bold kick ass last week. I'm told the bit with the dragons was great but I missed it as my SkyGo decided to pack up for bout 5 minutes at that moment

Missandre & Grey Worm, not sure why we're seeing this relationship unless its to "humanise" the Unsullied the same way they had to with Spock and Data every chance in Star Trek.

Jon's story is going to run out of book really soon, he's already used up most of his story from ADwD so I guess this road trip with the Giantsbane keeps him going a while longer.

Ramsay vs Roose in the most uncomfortable dinner party ever, that really needed a voice over from the guy off Come Dine With Me. Hard to say who would win in any battle of the Bolton's but daddy Roose is definitely the bigger bastard I think. And Reek, poor Reek.

Sam telling Gilly about the Citadel, is this foreshadowing or dropped in becasue I cant seem them having time to tell that side story? And will Sam be making a trip to Dragonstone for obsidian?

Valyria, wow that looked great and made greater by Drogon flying overhead. And stonemen, guess thats why Greyscale has been pimped so much this season. But with Jorah now infected does that definitely mean Big & Little Griff are out seeing Jon Connington is infected in the books and Jorah takes his place?

That bit after Tyrion fell in the water went on a long time, I did think they were going to leave it there on a cliffhanger like the chapter ended in the books.

 All in all another strong episode. They episode felt more relaxed as we spent more time in each location, this is worrying because with so many story threads in play now the producers either need to cram too much in or have episodes where characters don't appear. I wonder if this might lead to some story threads being cut shorter to fit it all in.
I think they said during the between seasons break that they weren't doing the Aegon storyline, so they've basically replaced Jon Connington with Jorah, and that's why he's infected. I guess it also makes sense from a TV show point of view to do that to a character that the audience have come to know and develop some level of connection with, rather than introduce a new one and try to develop that over the course of a few episodes.
I missed the other storylines tonight, especially the Kings Landing ones, but the preview for next week showed Olenna. Yay!
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 12, 2015, 12:56:50 PM
I think Samwell will be making a trip to Oldtown with Aemon soon. It's being foreshadowed.
I was confused about one thing. Has The Red Woman left the wall? Because that's not a good thing for Mr. Snow. If his storyline goes how it does in the books.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 12, 2015, 01:18:08 PM
Yeah Mel has left the Wall but Jon is going to do that whole part of the book is now out of the window (still expecting Jon to get it as that's how he's going to get out of his NW vows).

You know Theon is going to tell Sansa the truth about her brothers at some point, will be interesting to see what she does with the information.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: silvijanus on May 12, 2015, 07:34:12 PM
Just finished with episodes 2 and 3. Oh that moment when... you go running on the beach, at the end you sit on the small stairs thinking about Martins books, and how it would be cool if they make a tv series about it... especially after one of those special moments when Arya shows the coin to get on the boat (valar morgulis)... then 5-6 years later Tv show is filmed, and Arya is sitting on the same stairs with black@white doors behind. Eh what are the odds :) Sorry, had to share with someone who might understand :D
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on May 12, 2015, 07:59:26 PM
Just finished with episodes 2 and 3. Oh that moment when... you go running on the beach, at the end you sit on the small stairs thinking about Martins books, and how it would be cool if they make a tv series about it... especially after one of those special moments when Arya shows the coin to get on the boat (valar morgulis)... then 5-6 years later Tv show is filmed, and Arya is sitting on the same stairs with black@white doors behind. Eh what are the odds :) Sorry, had to share with someone who might understand :D
The same stairs?! Where?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: silvijanus on May 12, 2015, 11:54:43 PM
The same stairs?! Where?
Croatia. Not my first close encounter with GOT, I was extra season before so I had some nice experience with the show. Sorry if my post is off topic, couldn't find general topic on GOT Tv show.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Arry on May 18, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
Last night's episode should certainly get a reaction. Poor Sansa. Escaping Joffrey to end up with Ramsey.

I have a feeling her character is going to become incredibly strong after enduring everything. You can already see it in her. I also wonder if this could make Theon break through and no longer be the submissive Reek.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on May 18, 2015, 07:26:52 PM
Last night's episode should certainly get a reaction. Poor Sansa. Escaping Joffrey to end up with Ramsey.

I have a feeling her character is going to become incredibly strong after enduring everything. You can already see it in her. I also wonder if this could make Theon break through and no longer be the submissive Reek.

I usally try to avoid spoilers but the Tor headline for their review was pretty unambigious if you feared what might happen to Sansa and sorry I am not sure I can watch anymore.  It is just too horrid a storyline. (Sure I ll break and push on through but just ugggh.)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 19, 2015, 12:06:28 AM
I was surprised the show went where it did with Sansa, that was hard to watch, and kudos to Alfie Allen for managing to get such a reaction by just using his facial expressions. I'm liking the storylines that are moving further away from the books. I like this whole uncharted territory thing. Also enjoying the bromance between Bronn and Jaime and the growing one between Tyrion and Jorah.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on May 19, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
That was a horrible ending. I kept screaming at the screen for Theon to break away from his Reekness and put a stop to Ramsay, but then, what would Game of Thrones be if our wishful thinking worked?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 19, 2015, 06:11:10 PM
Just damn. Part of me was screaming for Theon to run out of the room to draw Ramsay's attention away from Sansa, but obviously that wouldn't have worked well.
In the books, we had to watch the same thing happen to Jeyne. The difference is, we didn't care a lot about her. So, in effect, it didn't make us hate him even more. But now.... Now that it's Sansa, who I care about a bit more than Jeyne if only because she's a Stark, that changes everything. Was it hard to watch? Most definitely. But we know Theon will get her out of it. If it goes anything like the books that is. They'll make their escape together. I hope.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 19, 2015, 06:16:12 PM
That was a horrible ending. I kept screaming at the screen for Theon to break away from his Reekness and put a stop to Ramsay, but then, what would Game of Thrones be if our wishful thinking worked?

I was thinking that would be the thing to cause Theon to snap but it wasn't (although he has to have some sort of reaction downstream that gives the scene a point other than the usual Ramsay is bad stuff).  I certainly don't agree with this scene no matter what happens out of it (you could have had it happen off screen and conveyed it in another manner) but the equivalent scene in the books was much much worse.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nora on May 21, 2015, 04:24:11 AM
Gosh, Sansa, to marry Ramsay? Instead of Jenny whatever, the Arya fake girl? What the hell...

I've watched the first two episodes of this season and stopped, wanting to wait for it to be out to watch it all, but I seem to have purely and simply lost interest.
I'm getting bored with many of the storylines, and sourly disappointed by how simplified the plot is becoming. The looming approach of the end of book storyline could be pushed away if only they didn't take watchers for rednecks and kept the thick plots of the book as they are.
I might get around to watch that season but it already feels like a duty rather than the pleasure it ought to be.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: SJBudd on May 21, 2015, 09:35:53 AM
Can't believe how different the show is to the books  :( I'm gutted than Sansa married Bolton and then THAT happened to her. She's ended up with an even worse Joffrey. Hope he meets an equally dismal end.

Long live the Starks!  ;D
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 21, 2015, 03:48:45 PM
Gosh, Sansa, to marry Ramsay? Instead of Jenny whatever, the Arya fake girl? What the hell...

I've watched the first two episodes of this season and stopped, wanting to wait for it to be out to watch it all, but I seem to have purely and simply lost interest.
I'm getting bored with many of the storylines, and sourly disappointed by how simplified the plot is becoming. The looming approach of the end of book storyline could be pushed away if only they didn't take watchers for rednecks and kept the thick plots of the book as they are.
I might get around to watch that season but it already feels like a duty rather than the pleasure it ought to be.
I'm actually liking the Sansa storyline way better than hers in the books. Just sitting at the eerie, more sitting at the eerie, little kid crying... Meh. And Jaime's is far more interesting as well. I still don't know how exactly it's going to work if they plan to take Jaime in the same direction they did in the books somehow, but I'll just roll with it. I don't know exactly where you're getting the plot lines being more simple than the books. They seem to be just as complex.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nora on May 21, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
Gosh, Sansa, to marry Ramsay? Instead of Jenny whatever, the Arya fake girl? What the hell...

I've watched the first two episodes of this season and stopped, wanting to wait for it to be out to watch it all, but I seem to have purely and simply lost interest.
I'm getting bored with many of the storylines, and sourly disappointed by how simplified the plot is becoming. The looming approach of the end of book storyline could be pushed away if only they didn't take watchers for rednecks and kept the thick plots of the book as they are.
I might get around to watch that season but it already feels like a duty rather than the pleasure it ought to be.
I'm actually liking the Sansa storyline way better than hers in the books. Just sitting at the eerie, more sitting at the eerie, little kid crying... Meh. And Jaime's is far more interesting as well. I still don't know how exactly it's going to work if they plan to take Jaime in the same direction they did in the books somehow, but I'll just roll with it. I don't know exactly where you're getting the plot lines being more simple than the books. They seem to be just as complex.

They can't be as complex if so many characters are missing! Jaime won't be in Riverrun then, and Ilirio is gone, along with the sex-manipulative story between the guard and the viper in Dorne (my memory is pretty hazy sorry). Lady stone-heart is gone, Jaqen's reappearance is fan service but takes away the real Jaqen's plot line, ect.
So what will happen if Sansa is the one marrying Ramsay? What of the Lord of the bones, who was supposed to have been killed instead of the King beyond the wall? This character has no wife, no sister, no baby prince to save, nor he is likely to devise an infiltration of Winterfell only to realise he found the wrong girl, is he?
They also killed off the young greenseer guy, and the black handed corpse and his elk that took Bran beyond the wall.

All of these are off my memory, having not read the book more than twice since it came out years ago, and having not seen more than 2 episodes of the current season. But I did feel like things were dumbed down. It's like they want to keep a quick pace in all aspects.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Rukaio_Alter on May 21, 2015, 06:25:48 PM
Gosh, Sansa, to marry Ramsay? Instead of Jenny whatever, the Arya fake girl? What the hell...

I've watched the first two episodes of this season and stopped, wanting to wait for it to be out to watch it all, but I seem to have purely and simply lost interest.
I'm getting bored with many of the storylines, and sourly disappointed by how simplified the plot is becoming. The looming approach of the end of book storyline could be pushed away if only they didn't take watchers for rednecks and kept the thick plots of the book as they are.
I might get around to watch that season but it already feels like a duty rather than the pleasure it ought to be.
I'm actually liking the Sansa storyline way better than hers in the books. Just sitting at the eerie, more sitting at the eerie, little kid crying... Meh. And Jaime's is far more interesting as well. I still don't know how exactly it's going to work if they plan to take Jaime in the same direction they did in the books somehow, but I'll just roll with it. I don't know exactly where you're getting the plot lines being more simple than the books. They seem to be just as complex.

They can't be as complex if so many characters are missing! Jaime won't be in Riverrun then, and Ilirio is gone, along with the sex-manipulative story between the guard and the viper in Dorne (my memory is pretty hazy sorry). Lady stone-heart is gone, Jaqen's reappearance is fan service but takes away the real Jaqen's plot line, ect.
So what will happen if Sansa is the one marrying Ramsay? What of the Lord of the bones, who was supposed to have been killed instead of the King beyond the wall? This character has no wife, no sister, no baby prince to save, nor he is likely to devise an infiltration of Winterfell only to realise he found the wrong girl, is he?
They also killed off the young greenseer guy, and the black handed corpse and his elk that took Bran beyond the wall.

All of these are off my memory, having not read the book more than twice since it came out years ago, and having not seen more than 2 episodes of the current season. But I did feel like things were dumbed down. It's like they want to keep a quick pace in all aspects.
So... more characters=more thematically complex? I don't think that's quite how it works, otherwise 101 Dalmatians would be considered one of the most complex films ever made.

Seriously though, tv series and books are two very different mediums and different choices need to be made when it comes to adaptations. Especially with a series like ASOIAF with its mammothian cast. Hell, Game of Thrones is already probably one of the more packed tv series out there in terms of regular characters. And a cast like that comes with a large share of problems, from cost to actor availability (Gregor Clegane has already been recast, what, twice now?) to the simple fact that it's a lot easier for the audience to retain memories of a larger number of characters in books than in visual mediums. And it's not just characters. Books are allowed to take their time when it comes to developing situations (as well as having more space for subplots/minor characters/etc). Tv shows have to keep things moving and keep the audience's attention. A long conversation scene works better in a book than film/tv. So it's not at all surprising or wrong that Game of Thrones might be trimming the fat or fusing subplots to keep things interesting.

Obviously, that's not to say that you're not allowed to protest any changes made by the show. I didn't like the kinda-rape scene between Cersei and Jaime last season because it trampled over Jaime's previous character development. But if you're going to complain about changes, complain about them from a story/character/whatever point of view. Not just because they changed it from the source material. Because they need to and should change things from the source material and if you're not prepared for that then, quite frankly, you shouldn't be watching it.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 22, 2015, 12:08:54 AM
George explained it fairly well on his Not a Blog this week. When a book is adapted to a visual medium, like a film or a TV show then there's a butterfly wing effect, one small change results in a larger one down the track. This has been the situation right from the very start with the show, but then it was one small butterfly and the passage of it's wings were hardly noticed, now it's a lot of them, they're quite large and the flapping of their wings is like a hurricane.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nora on May 22, 2015, 02:08:16 AM
It's only one things, the reduction of cast. I personally feel like the plots are watered down, but I could be proven wrong I'm sure.

You're making quite the sophist comment with the 101 dalmatiens. Or else, let's put in a documentary on ants vs termites... Seriously though, I'm sure you can see what I mean : some characters carried a meaning and a plot line of their own and their disappearance does aim at simplifying things.

I reckon Elfy has it, it's a butterfly effect, because they get trapped more or less in their own changes. If GRRM is happy with it, good. Doesn't mean I have to be.
As things are I'm just not really hooked by the show anymore.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 22, 2015, 02:34:31 AM
George has always said it's a hard work to adapt. To a certain extent he made it that way. Part of what prompted him to become disenchanted with TV, despite the money on offer, was that his scripts kept having to be rewritten or altered due to budgetary constraints. So when he wrote ASoIaF he could be as grand as he wanted and was bound only by his own imagination and the story, not a finite amount of money. He even said he had issues with the audio versions of the books. They asked him if they could remove a scene in the first book that didn't seem to really go anywhere in that book, and he said 'no, because if you do that then a scene in the 3rd book won't make any sense.' Doing a TV show based on the books, especially when they aren't even all written, has to multiply the difficulty of the task by a lot.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on May 22, 2015, 09:12:27 AM
I for one think that Sansa's character is way more interesting and complex in the TV show than in the books. I'm not happy about how things have turned out so far, but I can see what the writers are trying to show with Sansa, so I'm eager to see her continued development and survival through the most recent traumatic experience.

I have also enjoyed the fast pace, even if the whole thing about the fundamentalist religious sect seems to escalate far too quickly. It's hardly conceivable, but hey, I'll willingly suspend my disbelief a little further for Game of Thrones  ;)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 22, 2015, 03:07:24 PM
Gosh, Sansa, to marry Ramsay? Instead of Jenny whatever, the Arya fake girl? What the hell...

I've watched the first two episodes of this season and stopped, wanting to wait for it to be out to watch it all, but I seem to have purely and simply lost interest.
I'm getting bored with many of the storylines, and sourly disappointed by how simplified the plot is becoming. The looming approach of the end of book storyline could be pushed away if only they didn't take watchers for rednecks and kept the thick plots of the book as they are.
I might get around to watch that season but it already feels like a duty rather than the pleasure it ought to be.
I'm actually liking the Sansa storyline way better than hers in the books. Just sitting at the eerie, more sitting at the eerie, little kid crying... Meh. And Jaime's is far more interesting as well. I still don't know how exactly it's going to work if they plan to take Jaime in the same direction they did in the books somehow, but I'll just roll with it. I don't know exactly where you're getting the plot lines being more simple than the books. They seem to be just as complex.

They can't be as complex if so many characters are missing! Jaime won't be in Riverrun then, and Ilirio is gone, along with the sex-manipulative story between the guard and the viper in Dorne (my memory is pretty hazy sorry). Lady stone-heart is gone, Jaqen's reappearance is fan service but takes away the real Jaqen's plot line, ect.
So what will happen if Sansa is the one marrying Ramsay? What of the Lord of the bones, who was supposed to have been killed instead of the King beyond the wall? This character has no wife, no sister, no baby prince to save, nor he is likely to devise an infiltration of Winterfell only to realise he found the wrong girl, is he?
They also killed off the young greenseer guy, and the black handed corpse and his elk that took Bran beyond the wall.

All of these are off my memory, having not read the book more than twice since it came out years ago, and having not seen more than 2 episodes of the current season. But I did feel like things were dumbed down. It's like they want to keep a quick pace in all aspects.
I don't know. I think, when you're writing a TV show like this, you have to think about what's the most important. The producers know the ending. I'm sure those plot lines will go somewhere, but if it would majorly effect the ending, they would exist. Also, I would hate for things to be the exact same at this point, seeing as how they're going beyond the books. Then there would be no point. At least now we can read Winds of Winter and see where these plot lines are going.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 23, 2015, 12:25:04 AM
I for one think that Sansa's character is way more interesting and complex in the TV show than in the books. I'm not happy about how things have turned out so far, but I can see what the writers are trying to show with Sansa, so I'm eager to see her continued development and survival through the most recent traumatic experience.

I have also enjoyed the fast pace, even if the whole thing about the fundamentalist religious sect seems to escalate far too quickly. It's hardly conceivable, but hey, I'll willingly suspend my disbelief a little further for Game of Thrones  ;)
That also escalated quite quickly in the books, but it does seem to happen ever faster in the show. It's indicative of Cerise's reactive approach to any problem she encounters.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 25, 2015, 06:04:10 PM
So this latest episode was pretty fun.
I have to say, I was a little disappointed that Drogon didn't make an appearance at the Fighting Pits and fly Daenerys away. Hopefully that will happen in the future, because in my opinion, that was one of the best parts of A Dance With Dragons.
I figured Danerys would've married Loraq before she went to the first fighting pit game, but oh well. Also, this reminded me of something. Where's the guy that came with Barristan to help her? I can't remember his name for the life of me. He ate the poison things in the books. Locusts?
It was greatly satisfying to see Cersei imprisoned. Highlight of Feast For Crows.
I don't know about Jon's storyline. Ghost's appearance to save Sam was awesome, but why isn't he by Jon's side? Why would he have stayed behind? It doesn't make sense to me.
And the red woman suggesting Staniss' daughter be the sacrifice? I doubt he'll do it, so she'll probably convince his wife that it's a mercy and they'll do it without him knowing.
Poor Sansa. I'm disappointed in Reek. It's not surprising that he did it, but what will convince him to rescue her from Winterfell? Will that storyline even happen with Jon gone beyond the wall?
That comment Myrcella made to Jaime about him not knowing her... Ouch. That hurt far worse than she could possibly imagine. I have no clue where that plot is going. At the moment, it appears nowhere.
Whatever happens, I'm still eagerly watching.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Jonny_Anonymous on May 25, 2015, 07:51:50 PM
Still annoys me that the Wildlings don't have Scottish accents.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 26, 2015, 12:56:11 AM
So this latest episode was pretty fun.
I have to say, I was a little disappointed that Drogon didn't make an appearance at the Fighting Pits and fly Daenerys away. Hopefully that will happen in the future, because in my opinion, that was one of the best parts of A Dance With Dragons.
I figured Danerys would've married Loraq before she went to the first fighting pit game, but oh well. Also, this reminded me of something. Where's the guy that came with Barristan to help her? I can't remember his name for the life of me. He ate the poison things in the books. Locusts?
It was greatly satisfying to see Cersei imprisoned. Highlight of Feast For Crows.
I don't know about Jon's storyline. Ghost's appearance to save Sam was awesome, but why isn't he by Jon's side? Why would he have stayed behind? It doesn't make sense to me.
And the red woman suggesting Staniss' daughter be the sacrifice? I doubt he'll do it, so she'll probably convince his wife that it's a mercy and they'll do it without him knowing.
Poor Sansa. I'm disappointed in Reek. It's not surprising that he did it, but what will convince him to rescue her from Winterfell? Will that storyline even happen with Jon gone beyond the wall?
That comment Myrcella made to Jaime about him not knowing her... Ouch. That hurt far worse than she could possibly imagine. I have no clue where that plot is going. At the moment, it appears nowhere.
Whatever happens, I'm still eagerly watching.
I think from the little bits I saw before the show started, Drogon's appearance is being saved for the big fighting pits in the city itself, not some smaller outfit.
From memory, in the books, Theon/Reek took Jeyne and they were rescued by Stannis group. Jon was still at the Wall trying to convince the Watch to ally with the wildlings against the menace of the White Walkers.
I am liking that the show is going further and further away from the books. I like not knowing what will happen, although I did pick that Lancel was going to bring Cersei down.
The Dorne storyline is looking increasingly like one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time, but is going nowhere fast.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on May 26, 2015, 01:00:53 AM
Yes, and the Dorne section has some of the worst acting and action sequences of the whole series.
Contrast that with Tyrion and Jorah, the fight against the grey, wrinkled guys, and the fight in the area, etc.

I haven't read DwD, and barely remember FfC, so it's kind of all new for me now.  :)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 26, 2015, 01:06:16 AM
Yes, and the Dorne section has some of the worst acting and action sequences of the whole series.
Contrast that with Tyrion and Jorah, the fight against the grey, wrinkled guys, and the fight in the area, etc.

I haven't read DwD, and barely remember FfC, so it's kind of all new for me now.  :)
Which is really odd, because they've cast some fairly respected names in Dorne. Alexander Siddig, Indira Varma and Academy Award nominee Keisha Castle-Hughes. In the books though Tyrion and Jorah met, but didn't do a lot of that cool stuff, they spent most of the time travelling with a female dwarf performer by the name of Penny. They've actually cut Tyrion's journey and changed it a lot. For the better in my opinion, although I'm one of the very few people that actually liked Penny.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on May 26, 2015, 05:21:53 AM
From memory, in the books, Theon/Reek took Jeyne and they were rescued by Stannis group. Jon was still at the Wall trying to convince the Watch to ally with the wildlings against the menace of the White Walkers.
Yes, but remember, Ramsay sent Jon the letter at the wall, which made him decide to take anyone willing to go with him and march on Winterfell.
Right before he met his fate.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 26, 2015, 06:14:12 AM
From memory, in the books, Theon/Reek took Jeyne and they were rescued by Stannis group. Jon was still at the Wall trying to convince the Watch to ally with the wildlings against the menace of the White Walkers.
Yes, but remember, Ramsay sent Jon the letter at the wall, which made him decide to take anyone willing to go with him and march on Winterfell.
Right before he met his fate.
Oh yes, I do remember the letter, but that was largely Ramsay being a dick. The way the show is moving I don't think the letter will be a factor. I just want someone, anyone, to kill Ramsay.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on May 26, 2015, 10:33:55 AM
Yes, and the Dorne section has some of the worst acting and action sequences of the whole series.

Yes! The scenery for Dorne is amazing, the Alcazar in Seville really was a great choice. However, the dialogue, and just how cliched those characters have been, makes it all rather painful to watch, since it contrasts so vividly with some of the other amazing stuff in the show.

Really loved the scene between the Queen of Thorns and the High Sparrow. How she came in, with everything, and was left with nothing, powerless. One of the best scenes this season, actually.

I just want someone, anyone, to kill Ramsay.

Yes, please.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on May 26, 2015, 11:09:51 AM
I want Sansa to kill Ramsay. But, yeah, I'll take anyone doing the deed.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 26, 2015, 06:08:30 PM
Sansa or Theon have to do something here soon, it'll be interesting to see exactly what that is.  After the whole help me Theon plea backfired I have a feeling it'll be Sansa doing it on her own.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Doctor_Chill on May 26, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
And I'm just over here waiting for Arya to kill somebody.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: BeardKing on May 26, 2015, 07:48:01 PM
Sansa or Theon have to do something here soon, it'll be interesting to see exactly what that is.  After the whole help me Theon plea backfired I have a feeling it'll be Sansa doing it on her own.

I think once Stannis shows up, Theon will finally grow a pair. ;)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 27, 2015, 01:28:14 AM
Yes, and the Dorne section has some of the worst acting and action sequences of the whole series.

Yes! The scenery for Dorne is amazing, the Alcazar in Seville really was a great choice. However, the dialogue, and just how cliched those characters have been, makes it all rather painful to watch, since it contrasts so vividly with some of the other amazing stuff in the show.

Really loved the scene between the Queen of Thorns and the High Sparrow. How she came in, with everything, and was left with nothing, powerless. One of the best scenes this season, actually.

I just want someone, anyone, to kill Ramsay.

Yes, please.
The scene between the Queen of Thorns and the High Sparrow also reminded me of the meetings between Olenna and Tywin. It's wonderful to watch two talented actors bounce off each other.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 27, 2015, 09:20:17 PM
And I'm just over here waiting for Arya to kill somebody.

I think it'll be Meryn Trant, he's in Braavos.

Some interesting rumours floating about surrounding ep 9 & 10 which so far HBO have yet to confirm titles of synopsis for. Most seem to think the White Walkers feature fairly heavily as two actors who have already been seen in the roles are on the cast lists (idbm so pinch of salt). Also listed (idbm again) is Jason Mawle who last appeared in the opening episodes as Benjen Stark!
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on May 28, 2015, 03:08:40 PM
Some interesting rumours floating about surrounding ep 9 & 10 which so far HBO have yet to confirm titles of synopsis for. Most seem to think the White Walkers feature fairly heavily as two actors who have already been seen in the roles are on the cast lists (idbm so pinch of salt). Also listed (idbm again) is Jason Mawle who last appeared in the opening episodes as Benjen Stark!

Episode 9 is "The Dance of Dragons" from which I would expect that to be when Drogon shows up in the pit.  In another forum that I lurk in I have seen "For The Watch" as a good suggestion for Episode 10 depending on whether or not they go with that storyline.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on May 28, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
Tyrion face to face with Daenerys! SQUEAL!
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on May 29, 2015, 12:42:52 AM
Some interesting rumours floating about surrounding ep 9 & 10 which so far HBO have yet to confirm titles of synopsis for. Most seem to think the White Walkers feature fairly heavily as two actors who have already been seen in the roles are on the cast lists (idbm so pinch of salt). Also listed (idbm again) is Jason Mawle who last appeared in the opening episodes as Benjen Stark!

Episode 9 is "The Dance of Dragons" from which I would expect that to be when Drogon shows up in the pit.  In another forum that I lurk in I have seen "For The Watch" as a good suggestion for Episode 10 depending on whether or not they go with that storyline.
If that episode 10 storyline goes where they think it might maybe a good title would be 'Et tu, Edd?'
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Post by: Hedin on May 29, 2015, 07:31:41 PM
According to IMDB the 10th episode will be called "Mother's Mercy".  That probably will have something do to with the Faith but I'm not sure what else might work with that title (maybe something with Dany and the dragons?).
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on May 29, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
Episodes 9 & 10 titles and synopsis revealed (by HBO this time)

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/05/28/final-season-5-episode-titles-and-synopsis-released/

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 01, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
Now that was a good episode, best one of the season so far I think. 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 01, 2015, 10:35:39 PM
Episode 8 "Hardholm"

Ramsay Bolton - "we hit them hard and we hit them fast and leave a feast for crows"  :)

Like the cat running across Arya's path as she's the oyster seller

Qyburn - "the work continues"

Loving the Danyrion double act already, someone not afraid to tell Dany what a silly girl she's been all this time.

Hardholm looked fantastic

The last 15 minutes outdid anything seen in The Walking Dead and topped all the previous episode 9's and we've still got that to come.

Dragonglass PAH, Valyrian Steel melonfarmers!

Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun
 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Jonny_Anonymous on June 02, 2015, 01:34:44 AM
"Come At Me, Crow"
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on June 02, 2015, 06:09:58 AM
This episode was the best this season, and not just because of the battle.
Besides Cersei's storyline, we are in completely uncharted territory. It's so much more fun to watch!
On a side note. As a blind person, it can be extremely hard to watch fight scenes and/or long battles. Watching the Lord of the Rings movies for example without descriptive narration was a nightmare. I've corrected that, but sadly, HBO has not described any of their shows yet. :(
Before looking at a recap online, this is what I got.
Strange giant words. Angry dogs. Wind. Thunder. Highstorms? Oops, wrong book. Angry growl. Zombies? Zombies!
Crunch. Aaaahhh! Growl! Aaahhhh! Splatter. Splash. Angry giant. Screaming. Something having to do with wood breaking? Glass shattering? More chrunching and gorey, awesome sound effects. Sad weird music. What, did they kill Jon already? Nope, never mind. "We must run or we die!" Musical raise. Oh shit, they turned all the dead into Whitewalkers. That was quick. More growling and crunching and stuff. Peaceful ocean. Huh? Okay...
I hope that made somebody smile. It was honestly quite amusing. You would think that would frustrate me, but thank God for the internet. Plus, it will come out with descriptive narration eventually, so I'll get all the awesome details.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on June 02, 2015, 06:23:50 AM
It was a really good episode. And no rapiness! Like how they have really upped the ante on the whitewalkers and wights which Martin seems to have forgotten about. (And Ollie is so gonna stab Jon Snow right?)

Its almost a relief that the Game of Thrones series is going at such a fast pace as means I should know by this time next year whether Jon Snow survived or didn't survive that attack in A Dance With Dragons. Or at least in what form he survived it!
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: CameronJohnston on June 02, 2015, 09:59:58 AM
Well that episode was more like it! Proper scary stuff. This season has dragged a bit for me so far. Loved the look on the white walker's face when it crossed blades with Jon's Valyrian steel. And it's really good to see the overarching plot starting to pick up pace again. It was great to see Tyrion and Daenerys on screen together :)

Anybody laying money on the next book being out before the next TV season?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 02, 2015, 12:42:12 PM
(And Ollie is so gonna stab Jon Snow right?)

I wonder if we're being thrown a curveball here, have the writers taken a leaf out of GRRMs playbook and setting a character up to do what you ordinarily expect them to do (based on the attitude and nasty side looks Ollie has been dishing out) only for them to do the opposite. I got the distinct feeling that Ollie maybe coming round to Jon's way of thinking after his talk with Sam and do wonder if he will be the one to save Jon.


Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on June 02, 2015, 12:43:37 PM
Or, the writers are being particularly grimdark and giving us false hope, which I find far more likely.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 02, 2015, 04:30:23 PM
Or none of the above and Ollie's going to die by eating bad soup.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 02, 2015, 08:03:43 PM
(And Ollie is so gonna stab Jon Snow right?)

I wonder if we're being thrown a curveball here, have the writers taken a leaf out of GRRMs playbook and setting a character up to do what you ordinarily expect them to do (based on the attitude and nasty side looks Ollie has been dishing out) only for them to do the opposite. I got the distinct feeling that Ollie maybe coming round to Jon's way of thinking after his talk with Sam and do wonder if he will be the one to save Jon.

It will be interesting. I just hope if they do go down the stabbing route that they don't end it in a cliffhanger because that's just cheap to me.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Saraband on June 02, 2015, 08:10:46 PM
Or everyone would die when they discovered the White Walkers were actually running from something far worse  ::)

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 02, 2015, 10:48:43 PM
(And Ollie is so gonna stab Jon Snow right?)

I wonder if we're being thrown a curveball here, have the writers taken a leaf out of GRRMs playbook and setting a character up to do what you ordinarily expect them to do (based on the attitude and nasty side looks Ollie has been dishing out) only for them to do the opposite. I got the distinct feeling that Ollie maybe coming round to Jon's way of thinking after his talk with Sam and do wonder if he will be the one to save Jon.

It will be interesting. I just hope if they do go down the stabbing route that they don't end it in a cliffhanger because that's just cheap to me.

Yeah, it's not like GRRM would do something like...oh wait.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on June 03, 2015, 03:16:40 AM
Just watched it.
FREAKING AWESOME!

My wife and I loved that episode. It had everything good.  ;D
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 03, 2015, 04:18:11 AM
Just watched it.
FREAKING AWESOME!

My wife and I loved that episode. It had everything good.  ;D
I particularly liked seeing Wun Wun (that's the giant) I think he was mentioned by name once, although one reviewer down here kept referring to him as Stampy the Giant.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 03, 2015, 12:57:28 PM
Just watched it.
FREAKING AWESOME!

My wife and I loved that episode. It had everything good.  ;D
I particularly liked seeing Wun Wun (that's the giant) I think he was mentioned by name once, although one reviewer down here kept referring to him as Stampy the Giant.

Part of me kept expecting Wun Wun to go down somehow and then see Jon soil his pants when he realized he would have to fight a wight Wun Wun eventually.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 03, 2015, 10:52:59 PM
Just watched it.
FREAKING AWESOME!

My wife and I loved that episode. It had everything good.  ;D
I particularly liked seeing Wun Wun (that's the giant) I think he was mentioned by name once, although one reviewer down here kept referring to him as Stampy the Giant.

Yeah Tormund calls him by his name as they're all running for the boats, "Wun Wun (points) the sea" or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 04, 2015, 12:12:59 AM
Just watched it.
FREAKING AWESOME!

My wife and I loved that episode. It had everything good.  ;D
I particularly liked seeing Wun Wun (that's the giant) I think he was mentioned by name once, although one reviewer down here kept referring to him as Stampy the Giant.

Yeah Tormund calls him by his name as they're all running for the boats, "Wun Wun (points) the sea" or something along those lines.
It's also rather amusing that a character whose full name is Tormund GIANTSBANE seems to be one of the wildlings closest to him.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on June 04, 2015, 06:29:50 PM
Maybe He's the son of stampy? Giantsbane? :P
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 05, 2015, 01:11:05 AM
Maybe He's the son of stampy? Giantsbane? :P
I always got the impression from the book that Wun Wun was kind of young as giants go.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on June 08, 2015, 02:59:10 AM
Well that was pretty darn good, too. Although the sacrifice scene was really, really hard to be in the room for. I didn't really watch it.

But the dragon scene at the end was great. Can't wait for next week.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 08, 2015, 03:56:17 AM
Well that was pretty darn good, too. Although the sacrifice scene was really, really hard to be in the room for. I didn't really watch it.

That was horrible to see, you knew it was happening but I still can't believe it happened.

I'm glad they didn't go with that awful Mercy scene with Arya but I'm not sure we can rule it out yet.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Lejays17 on June 08, 2015, 04:10:50 AM
I was very angry about the sacrifice scene @Elfy (http://fantasy-faction.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1153) can tell you just how much  >:(

The scene with Drogon at the end was awesome though!

Reserving judgment on Arya's stuff til next week, maybe Trant's predilictions will be the entrance she needs to kill him.  Hope so anyway!
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 08, 2015, 04:32:43 AM
I think they've ended a couple of characters for this season. Benioff and Weiss have said that episode 10 will break the internet, given what's already happened that's a pretty big statement to make.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 08, 2015, 05:07:29 AM
Meh.

Felt the whole assassination scene at the end was pretty stupid (Dragon could've killed them quickly but had to have a touching moment with Dany, and one well placed arrow or spear could've ended all the tension pretty quickly). Lot of problems with this scene, I think, not only because all of it could've been stopped if the Unsullied were actually competent bodyguards and security. How do you not see all those masked men and women in the stands? Ugh.

But yeah, the sacrifice scene was top notch. Kinda want to see how far they go with Stannis's character.

Also, anybody ever get the thought that Ramsey Bolton is kind of like Jorg, but without the clever and charismatic voice we get from 1st person? Don't know why that just popped into my head.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 08, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Meh.

Felt the whole assassination scene at the end was pretty stupid (Dragon could've killed them quickly but had to have a touching moment with Dany, and one well placed arrow or spear could've ended all the tension pretty quickly). Lot of problems with this scene, I think, not only because all of it could've been stopped if the Unsullied were actually competent bodyguards and security. How do you not see all those masked men and women in the stands? Ugh.

But yeah, the sacrifice scene was top notch. Kinda want to see how far they go with Stannis's character.

Also, anybody ever get the thought that Ramsey Bolton is kind of like Jorg, but without the clever and charismatic voice we get from 1st person? Don't know why that just popped into my head.

I find the Unsullied to be very overrated, I know in the books they've not had much to do but on screen they've been next to useless. Based on their performance this season they'll not last five minutes against any standing army in Westeros.

So I've read over on WinterIsComing it looks like what happens to Shireen is plucked striaght from the pages of The Winds Of Winter , so now the show is spoilering future books. This kind of makes me wonder if Ser Barristan cops it in the next book as well?

I will say as well I find Stannis to be overrated, he has been built up from the start to be this great general and military tactician and yet he is being led around by his dick by a woman of dubious powers/knowledge stumbling from one scheme to win the throne to another.

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 08, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
Meh.

Felt the whole assassination scene at the end was pretty stupid (Dragon could've killed them quickly but had to have a touching moment with Dany, and one well placed arrow or spear could've ended all the tension pretty quickly). Lot of problems with this scene, I think, not only because all of it could've been stopped if the Unsullied were actually competent bodyguards and security. How do you not see all those masked men and women in the stands? Ugh.

But yeah, the sacrifice scene was top notch. Kinda want to see how far they go with Stannis's character.

Also, anybody ever get the thought that Ramsey Bolton is kind of like Jorg, but without the clever and charismatic voice we get from 1st person? Don't know why that just popped into my head.

I find the Unsullied to be very overrated, I know in the books they've not had much to do but on screen they've been next to useless. Based on their performance this season they'll not last five minutes against any standing army in Westeros.

So I've read over on WinterIsComing it looks like what happens to Shireen is plucked striaght from the pages of The Winds Of Winter , so now the show is spoilering future books. This kind of makes me wonder if Ser Barristan cops it in the next book as well?

I will say as well I find Stannis to be overrated, he has been built up from the start to be this great general and military tactician and yet he is being led around by his dick by a woman of dubious powers/knowledge stumbling from one scheme to win the throne to another.

On the after show thing,  Benioff mentioned that the scene came from Martin which makes me wonder what happens outside of Winterfell because in the books Mel is not with him (I don't remember if Shireen is too).

As for the Unsullied, those masks would be easy to hide under robes and I don't think they had the equivalent of the TSA there.   I thought they were fine, except for the ones that were caught out on their own for whatever stupid reason, and that a lot of their issues were dramatic license (if they were as effective as they should be then everything gets put down easily).  What annoyed me was at the end the SOHs ran at the circle one at a time, if they attacked together it was over.   Dramatic license being taken again there but I found that worse than the Unsullied performance.   
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on June 08, 2015, 01:57:59 PM
I think of it like this (if I'm in the mood to be generous):

The Unsullied are field soldiers, not urban fighters and policemen. Big difference between a set battle and what Danaerys is asking them to do.

The SoH are citizen revolutionaries who are scared out of their wits; we just don't see it behind the masks. (Good extra reason for a mask; they can't see how terrified their friends are.) They have no training. They have no strategy other than surprise.

Like I said, this ^, when I'm in a generous mood.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 08, 2015, 03:10:39 PM
On the after show thing,  Benioff mentioned that the scene came from Martin which makes me wonder what happens outside of Winterfell because in the books Mel is not with him (I don't remember if Shireen is too).

As for the Unsullied, those masks would be easy to hide under robes and I don't think they had the equivalent of the TSA there.   I thought they were fine, except for the ones that were caught out on their own for whatever stupid reason, and that a lot of their issues were dramatic license (if they were as effective as they should be then everything gets put down easily).  What annoyed me was at the end the SOHs ran at the circle one at a time, if they attacked together it was over.   Dramatic license being taken again there but I found that worse than the Unsullied performance.

Pretty sure Mel, Selsye and Shireen all stayed back at Castle Black, of course that then leads on to Mel not being there when Jon gets stabbed so what happens there. Of course with Davos heading back there perhaps he steps in to save Jon somehow and we see the death of Davos instead?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 08, 2015, 03:13:31 PM
I think of it like this (if I'm in the mood to be generous):

The Unsullied are field soldiers, not urban fighters and policemen. Big difference between a set battle and what Danaerys is asking them to do.

The SoH are citizen revolutionaries who are scared out of their wits; we just don't see it behind the masks. (Good extra reason for a mask; they can't see how terrified their friends are.) They have no training. They have no strategy other than surprise.

Like I said, this ^, when I'm in a generous mood.

I'm sure when Dany was looking at buying the Unsullied (in the books) that Jorah told her some story about how a small army of them (only a thousand or so) withstood a horde of Dothraki tens of thousands strong for several days because they are that badass. Are they not supposed to be Terminator like in their stamina, never stopping?

So far I've not seen any evidence of that in the show, in fact Greyworm seems to be the only one who can handle himself.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on June 08, 2015, 10:49:18 PM
The sacrifice scene was heartbreaking!
I have to read recaps online to figure out everything that happened since I don't have descriptive narration, and one of them pointed out something. How come the Sons of the Harpy attacked? Don't they approve of the fighting pits?
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 08, 2015, 11:51:11 PM
The sacrifice scene was heartbreaking!
I have to read recaps online to figure out everything that happened since I don't have descriptive narration, and one of them pointed out something. How come the Sons of the Harpy attacked? Don't they approve of the fighting pits?

I think their issue is with Dany ruling their city. More to the point what happened to Dany's Unsullied army? She bought 10,000 and most of this season seems to barely have a few hundred?

Also important question. Jorah has Greyscale, Jorah grabbed Dany's hand, Dany grabbed Missendie's hand. Is Jorah Typhoid Mary?
 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 09, 2015, 01:53:11 AM
The sacrifice scene was heartbreaking!
I have to read recaps online to figure out everything that happened since I don't have descriptive narration, and one of them pointed out something. How come the Sons of the Harpy attacked? Don't they approve of the fighting pits?

I think their issue is with Dany ruling their city. More to the point what happened to Dany's Unsullied army? She bought 10,000 and most of this season seems to barely have a few hundred?

Also important question. Jorah has Greyscale, Jorah grabbed Dany's hand, Dany grabbed Missendie's hand. Is Jorah Typhoid Mary?
I have a feeling that the show will use a greyscale epidemic to cut the Meereenese Knot in the next season.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on June 09, 2015, 05:01:32 AM
That would be quite interesting. Daenerys conquers Westeros. But oh wait! She's got greyscale! Series ended.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 09, 2015, 06:27:56 AM
That would be quite interesting. Daenerys conquers Westeros. But oh wait! She's got greyscale! Series ended.

And the wheel keeps on turning...
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 09, 2015, 07:06:22 AM
Unless of course Dany is resistant to fire, maybe she is to Greyscale as well?

Wild theory that came to me last night surrounding the sacrifice of Shireen and the statement from the writers that it is lifted from the pages of The Winds Of Winter.

In TWoW Melisandre, Shireen and the Queen are still at Castle Black so does one of the following possibly happen?

1. The Queen is persuaded by Melisandre to sacrifice Shireen because she discovers the baby everyone thinks is Mance's child is not and so does not have Kings blood?

2. Shireen is sacrificed by Melisandre in order to save Jon?

Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ultamentkiller on June 09, 2015, 01:37:25 PM
Well, if it's to save Jon... Bye bye Shireen. You don't matter as much to me. I would rather have more time with Jon.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 14, 2015, 03:28:18 PM
I'm looking forward to tonight.   We have the Jon and Cersei events from the books that we know about plus Dorne, Arya & Trant, Mereen, Winterfell (and something major happens there according to a still I saw and some vague leaks), plus the seemingly legit possibility of a major book spoiler.   I have absolutely no idea how they are going to fit everything in.   This has a good chance of being the last time any book readers will ever know what is coming and even then we're going to mostly be in TWoW material tonight.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: JMack on June 15, 2015, 03:29:50 AM
So, in the first episode of the next season, I guess we'll lose Tyrion, Blondie, Mormont, and every other character we actually like. Because why the fuck not.

Final episode of everything? Cersei sleeps with the king of the Whitewalkers, then slits his throat.

Yeah. Not happy.

Though the episode was cool.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Doctor_Chill on June 15, 2015, 04:07:23 AM
Probably the weakest season and season finale so far. Should've stretched two hours and probably incorporated more, instead of leaving so many cliff hangers. I think the worst offender was Dany. Her plotline finally starts to head somewhere and BAM, we got this crap to contend with. She'll never get to Westeros. Not to mention they need to turn that ship around, and see if the duo committed suicide, etc.

Though I will say: that throat slit from Arya was probably the most satisfying throat slit I've ever seen. I was so happy. ;D

EDIT: And how could I forget Stannis? I was a little ticked about that because I was itching to see how far they would go with his character. But yeah, when I saw the two armies stacked together my heart just broke.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ChrisW on June 15, 2015, 12:34:33 PM
So Jon Snow is dead??? What's the bloody point of watching anymore.....Glad I didn't waste my time reading past book 3 now....assuming he is dead.....
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Arry on June 15, 2015, 01:02:51 PM
So Jon Snow is dead??? What's the bloody point of watching anymore.....Glad I didn't waste my time reading past book 3 now....assuming he is dead.....

Well, this scene was definitely expected.
It's exactly how book 5 ends.
However, he is spilling a lot of King's blood there. And Melisandre is near by. Or maybe ghost will somehow save him. I don't expect this is the last we'll see of his character.

Stannis has always annoyed me, so that was no real loss for me. And I don't know how he could possibly of expected his troops to support him after they watched him burn his own daughter at the stake. I could see them possibly overlooking the murder of his adult brother that was fighting him for the throne (if it were common knowledge that he killed Renly), but burning an innocent child? His own daughter? Who wants to support someone like that? If he sees his own daughter as that expendable, why would anyone trust their own lives fight for his cause? Needless to say, I was saddened more by the loss of Shireen than Stannis.

I loved Arya's scenes, as always. And I'm was so happy when Theon-Reek shoved what's her name off the walk way. I'm curious to see where they end up next season.

I am kind of hoping that there's a way Myrcella will survive. Maybe Bron happens to have the antidote? Not likely, but I'd still like to see it. Things will certainly get interesting when they get back to Kings Landing either way. I think my favorite twist would be if someone (perhaps the girl that's always taunting Bron) perhaps knew and decided to swap out the antidote that Nymeria Sand had, so she winds up dead and there's an antidote on hand for Myrcella. Unlikely, but I would love that.Will have to see what happens NEXT YEAR! *sigh*

We also don't know for sure that the Dothraki surrounding Dany were hostile.

I quite liked the episode. I expected Arya's, Jon's and Cersei's storyline to go how they did. And the others were a nice surprise (even if we might lose some characters).
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 15, 2015, 01:30:06 PM
I really didn't like the finale that much, I kept waiting for something big and new to happen and it didn't (fool on me for believing the Benjen stuff).  I don't like that they ended Jon on a cliffhanger, its pretty obvious where that story is going to go and we will eventually find out if Kit is on set or not for this next season.  I do hate that they're doing the Oldtown storyline, there are only two seasons left and they need to start pulling together the threads instead of making new ones like Martin does.

Speaking of Martin, the clock is now ticking when he has to have the next book done in time for the show to start.  If I remember correctly the last book was announced about 4 months before it was released.  Going by that calendar he'll have to be done by the first of the year and even then it will only come out right before the premiere.  I really don't see him getting done by that time so everyone is going to be Unsullied from here on out.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 15, 2015, 07:34:21 PM
I'll get to the rest of the finale after I give it a second watch tonight but I want to concentrate mainly on Jon and what has/might have happened to him.

I feel that what happened in the finale gave us (as in book readers) the clearest indication that Jon in some way survives. Why you ask, well simply put Melissandre.

Melissandre arrives back at Castle Black after running away from Stannis' army. Why? Because Stannis gave her the brush off, hardly like he's ever been that particularly sociable to her so far, so why run off now. Because they had to have some excuse for her to be back at Castle Black. Without her there Jon's storyline ends. Why else does she go back at Castle Black? She knew Davos was there so seeing there is a good chance he knew what she had planned she would not be getting a warm welcome from him. Plus her being there would be a clear indication she was out of favour and she does not have Stannis' protection anymore so Davos would probably kill her for everything she has done.

There is no reason for her to go to Castle Black, no reason at all other tha her being there to save Jon.


Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Nighteyes on June 15, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
I think Arry and Phil have already said my thoughts.  I've been avoiding facebook and twitter all day because of you darn Yanks and your spoilers, and began to anticipate something really shocking, but was just generally the twists I anticipated from reading the books.

I think Phil is right - the TV series has left it well open for a Jon Snow reincarnation with Melissandre back at Castle Black (and also gives Davos Seaworth something to do next series.)  I just can't see Jon Snow being dead for good.  First of all there is still R+L=J, secondly he is the POV for the North and the fight against the Whitewalkers, and I still see him as the Ice in a song of Ice and Fire.  And while in some ways Melissandre is a charlatan, there is no doubt that she can do actual sorcery.  What form Jon comes back in remains to be seen.  I doubt he will get to marry Danerys and help her rule the Seven Kingdoms like some fans wants. 

I do disagree with Arry on Myrcella. I think she is a goner. Which leaves just Tommen looking very exposed.  Also I suspect we all think Sansa and Theon have survived, but that was a big drop! 

Was glad that Stannis got his just desserts.  Was hinted that he was dead in ADWD, but not as explicit as in the books. 
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Phil Norris on June 15, 2015, 10:26:34 PM
I think Arry and Phil have already said my thoughts.  I've been avoiding facebook and twitter all day because of you darn Yanks and your spoilers, and began to anticipate something really shocking, but was just generally the twists I anticipated from reading the books.

I think Phil is right - the TV series has left it well open for a Jon Snow reincarnation with Melissandre back at Castle Black (and also gives Davos Seaworth something to do next series.)  I just can't see Jon Snow being dead for good.  First of all there is still R+L=J, secondly he is the POV for the North and the fight against the Whitewalkers, and I still see him as the Ice in a song of Ice and Fire.  And while in some ways Melissandre is a charlatan, there is no doubt that she can do actual sorcery.  What form Jon comes back in remains to be seen.  I doubt he will get to marry Danerys and help her rule the Seven Kingdoms like some fans wants. 

I do disagree with Arry on Myrcella. I think she is a goner. Which leaves just Tommen looking very exposed.  Also I suspect we all think Sansa and Theon have survived, but that was a big drop! 

Was glad that Stannis got his just desserts.  Was hinted that he was dead in ADWD, but not as explicit as in the books.

I think another possible indicator to Jon surviving is there was no Ghost in this episode. In the books he is chained up and attacked at the same time as Jon. So if ep1/S6 picks up seconds after the S5 finale will we see Ghost come charging in and Jon warg into him?

In the books the snowdrift Theon & Jayne jump into is considerably deeper, in fact I think at this point in ADwD the drifts at Winterfell are 10 - 15 feet deep.

Stannis isnt dead in ADwD, in fact one of the chapters from TWoW that GRRM released on his website is a Theon chapter with Stannis in it. So he is still very much alive in the coming book.

After a rewatch I really dont get the whole Sam/Gilly/Oldtown idea. His little chat with Jon about the Watch needing him as a Maester when the Walkers come was stupid. What are the Walkers going to sit around for years while he's trained before they attack? This is the same problem I have from the book seeing there are only two books left and Sam being sent to Oldtown. Not enough time for him to be trained.

I did like Ninja-Arya

I do feel Brienne has been totally wasted this season, and I dont believe she killed Stannis, after all the deaths in this episode why was his the only one the camera cut away from? Its a bit like back in S2 when Catlyn looked to be intent on killing Jamie when he was Robb's captive but later we found out she'd freed him.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 16, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
Ever since reading book 5, I've always thought that Jon was going to warg into Ghost to save his life and his opening chapter of Winds will be titled Ghost (part of the joke there being that Ghost never speaks, in the book he's completely mute, doesn't bark, whine or growl, like his siblings do). The show has largely caught up to the books, so they had no option but to hang many cliffs. There's a little bit of Cersei after her walk through the city, and we see some more of Arya. Sam's journey will create a new storyline. Unless GRRM can finish Winds lickety split, the show has no option but to go largely off book next year and pull off some of the reveals that the books haven't yet, like what happens to Jon, and what is the outcome of Dany's encounter with the khalasar.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Hedin on June 16, 2015, 01:13:15 PM
I think even in the books Mel revives Jon and he doesn't work, she is still at Castle Black at that point.  In the show it never shows Jon with any hint of warging so I don't think they're going that route.  He'll be resurrected, Jon Snow will be "dead", and he'll now be Jon Stark or Jon Targaryen, or Azor Ahai (however you spell it).  Jon will come back, take over the North, beat the White Walkers while riding a dragon, and then take his rightful place on the Iron Throne.

Stannis is most certainly dead.  He does not have an army or family left so what purpose would he serve if he was still alive?  Revenge against Mel?  Davos will take care of that when he finds out about Shireen.  Wall POV when the White Walkers come?  Jon will do that when he is ressurrected, if by some reason he's not Davos can stick around and fill that role.  Join Sansa and go on a Bolton killing spree?  I have to imagine Brienne will be doing that and she'll be better than a demoralized and wounded Stannis.  I can't think of a story reason why Stannis would be kept around.

Oldtown was a bad Martin move which I wish the show didn't go down, we need to be reducing the number of threads going on, not adding new ones. 

I'm excited to go into the new season as an Unsullied and I'm interested to see where D&D will take the story (I know Martin has given them basics on what will happen but probably not all of the detail).
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Arry on June 17, 2015, 01:34:36 AM
I do disagree with Arry on Myrcella. I think she is a goner.

I just said it would be nice if she'd survived and gave a possible theory for how she possibly could.  :D But truthfully, I think the odds are scarce and agree she's almost certainly a goner. (I think your right, just don't want to fully admit it. :) )Especially if Jon survives (as we all know he will). I just don't see them 'saving' two people. I still think it will be Melisandre to save him, but if somehow that failed he'd become a white walker before he just died for good.

I do feel Brienne has been totally wasted this season, and I dont believe she killed Stannis, after all the deaths in this episode why was his the only one the camera cut away from? Its a bit like back in S2 when Catlyn looked to be intent on killing Jamie when he was Robb's captive but later we found out she'd freed him.
My husband wasn't fully convinced she killed him either. But I think she did. I think he's gone (and am kinda happy about it).

Perhaps I am just being uncharacteristically optimistic assuming the death of Stannis and pulling for a way to kill Nymeria Sand and save  Myrcella (not that Myrcella was an endeared character, she's hardly been around. Just seemed like she had the potential to become interesting).
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: Elfy on June 17, 2015, 01:36:49 AM
Myrcella dying gives Jaime a reason to turn the boat around and go back to Dorne and we can continue Jaime and Bronn's Big Dornish Adventure next season.
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ScarletBea on August 22, 2015, 10:15:33 PM
And I finally watched this, 1 episode a day. Except today, I've just watched the last 2.
After it ended I went to check the book, and yes, some critical scenes are there in the book. At least these, after all the invention that went on.
Strangely enough, I didn't mind that much, this time.
For example, I think Tyrion really fits Mereen.

I don't believe the book series will ever be finished, so at least here we might get 'something'.
 :)
Title: Re: Game Of Thrones (TV Show) Season 5 - WITH BOOK SPOILERS
Post by: ClintACK on September 06, 2015, 09:16:13 PM
What a good show.

Expectations for Season 6:
[li]Oldtown subplot turns out to be important... Sam discovers that the "Lord of Light" and the White Walkers are working together -- it's not Fire vs. Ice with humans squished in the middle, it's Fire and Ice vs. Humans.  He discovers this just before we get to see Melissande (and Zombie Jon) betray the Night's Watch and open the gates to the horde of undead.  Melissande and the crowned white walker from 5-8 kiss while the impossibly huge horde of skeletons funnels through the gate in the Wall.  End Season 6.  (Just a WAG, but imagine the epic visual...)
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